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  • That's a great list, Greg -- thanks for posting it. I follow the HOF discussions on PFRA and Zoneblitz pretty closely, and while the Senior Committee doesn't make any official announcements, there are a few names that you might want to consider adding based on info that has been leaked from the past couple meetings. Specifically Ed Meador ('63 Topps), Roger Brown ('63 Topps), Mike Curtis ('69 Topps), and Joe Klecko ('78 Topps) have been rumored to be in the top 10-15 the last couple years. Of course to get an actual nomination they would have to jump over the really strong candidates like Howley, Kramer, and Robinson, but the committee does make odd choices from time to time.

    You might also want to consider putting more contributors on your list beyond Sabol, Tagliabue, Wolf, and Young. Those are all excellent choices, but the HOF is putting added emphasis on contributors and will send eight of them directly to the finalist stage of voting in just the next five years. I could see quite a few nominations from the following: Modell, DeBartolo Jr., Robert Kraft, Jerry Jones, Bill Polian, Bobby Beathard, Art McNally, Jerry Seeman, and Gil Brandt. Some of those guys don't have cards, but McNally and Seeman are in 1991 Pro Set, Polian and Beathard might be in police sets, and Jones has a 1995 Pacific Crown Royale.

    Finally, I will take one more opportunity to voice my support for keeping the Action Packed cards for Sharpe, Kennedy, and Seau. It's been my understanding that the Score Supplemental was only designated an RC for Emmitt Smith because he does not have a card in the 1990 Score regular set. But Kennedy and Seau do have cards in the regular set, thus their Supplemental cards are not technically RC's. The Beckett website does not have the RC designation by the Supplemental cards, for example. Surely we should prefer that the choices for the signed HOF rookie card set be actual rookie cards. (For this reason, I am also against using a 1991 card for Sharpe.) The Action Packed cards are a pain, but they do seem to best fit the criteria by which all the other choices were made.


  • gregm13gregm13 Posts: 5,798 ✭✭✭
    I'd like to get a rookie card signed by Cameron Wake. What is everyone's opinion on his "best" rookie card? The three possible cards are 2011 Panini Adrenalyn XL, 2011 Topps or 2011 Score. I don't think any one is better than the others. My vote is for Topps. Thoughts?

    Rgs,

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  • DanBessetteDanBessette Posts: 6,421 ✭✭✭


    << <i>I'd like to get a rookie card signed by Cameron Wake. What is everyone's opinion on his "best" rookie card? The three possible cards are 2011 Panini Adrenalyn XL, 2011 Topps or 2011 Score. I don't think any one is better than the others. My vote is for Topps. Thoughts? >>



    Topps.

  • VitoCo1972VitoCo1972 Posts: 6,128 ✭✭✭
    I agree with topps given those choices
  • Beckett lists Cameron Wake's only RC as 2005 Upper Deck Rookie Debut #188.
  • gregm13gregm13 Posts: 5,798 ✭✭✭
    Kyle,

    Thanks for the information. I had no idea that he had a 2005 card.... My search didn't catch it because his name is listed as Derek Wake (Derek is his first name). Does anyone know whether his 2005 Upper Deck Prospects card is easy to find? I don't see one on E-Bay, Amazon, Beckett or Sportlots....

    Rgs,

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  • VitoCo1972VitoCo1972 Posts: 6,128 ✭✭✭
    Greg, let's nip a few of these in the bud early. What are you thinking about for the Manziel Heisman RC? Also, I don't think the RGIII has ben added to the official set yet (I haven't done one). Topps Chrome work? Prefer another?
  • raiderguy10raiderguy10 Posts: 2,120 ✭✭✭


    << <i>I'm selling my 1952 Bowman Steve Owen. Please PM if interested...thanks.

    Greg M.


    image >>



    Hey Greg,

    I remember you talking about looking for this card for what seemed like forever. I know it was kind of your white whale for a while. Were you able to find a second one?
    Collect HOF Autos and Anything Raiders.

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    Looking for Autos of HOFers Charles Bidwill, Tim Mara, Joe Carr, Fritz Pollard, Guy Chamberlin & Bill Hewitt
  • gregm13gregm13 Posts: 5,798 ✭✭✭


    << <i>Greg, let's nip a few of these in the bud early. What are you thinking about for the Manziel Heisman RC? Also, I don't think the RGIII has ben added to the official set yet (I haven't done one). Topps Chrome work? Prefer another? >>



    I agree w/ you that Topps Chrome should be the registry cards for Manziel and RGIII. On a separate note, any idea what we're going to do in 2016 once Panini has exclusive rights? Will Topps still issue cards....but of players in their college uniforms?

    Rgs,

    Greg M.
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  • VitoCo1972VitoCo1972 Posts: 6,128 ✭✭✭


    << <i>

    << <i>Greg, let's nip a few of these in the bud early. What are you thinking about for the Manziel Heisman RC? Also, I don't think the RGIII has ben added to the official set yet (I haven't done one). Topps Chrome work? Prefer another? >>



    I agree w/ you that Topps Chrome should be the registry cards for Manziel and RGIII. On a separate note, any idea what we're going to do in 2016 once Panini has exclusive rights? Will Topps still issue cards....but of players in their college uniforms?

    Rgs,

    Greg M. >>



    No idea. I still haven't figured out what the best basketball panini cards are. I guess Prizm. I'm not in love with any of their releases.
  • gregm13gregm13 Posts: 5,798 ✭✭✭


    << <i>

    << <i>I'm selling my 1952 Bowman Steve Owen. Please PM if interested...thanks.

    Greg M.


    image >>



    Hey Greg,

    I remember you talking about looking for this card for what seemed like forever. I know it was kind of your white whale for a while. Were you able to find a second one? >>



    Ha - very good question. I am trying to raise money to purchase another card for my collection and the Owen is the most expendable card of my collection. It wasn't an easy decision, but I need some liquidity to pull off my next purchase. C

    Rgs,

    Greg M.
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  • gregm13gregm13 Posts: 5,798 ✭✭✭


    << <i>That's a great list, Greg -- thanks for posting it. I follow the HOF discussions on PFRA and Zoneblitz pretty closely, and while the Senior Committee doesn't make any official announcements, there are a few names that you might want to consider adding based on info that has been leaked from the past couple meetings. Specifically Ed Meador ('63 Topps), Roger Brown ('63 Topps), Mike Curtis ('69 Topps), and Joe Klecko ('78 Topps) have been rumored to be in the top 10-15 the last couple years. Of course to get an actual nomination they would have to jump over the really strong candidates like Howley, Kramer, and Robinson, but the committee does make odd choices from time to time.

    You might also want to consider putting more contributors on your list beyond Sabol, Tagliabue, Wolf, and Young. Those are all excellent choices, but the HOF is putting added emphasis on contributors and will send eight of them directly to the finalist stage of voting in just the next five years. I could see quite a few nominations from the following: Modell, DeBartolo Jr., Robert Kraft, Jerry Jones, Bill Polian, Bobby Beathard, Art McNally, Jerry Seeman, and Gil Brandt. Some of those guys don't have cards, but McNally and Seeman are in 1991 Pro Set, Polian and Beathard might be in police sets, and Jones has a 1995 Pacific Crown Royale.

    Finally, I will take one more opportunity to voice my support for keeping the Action Packed cards for Sharpe, Kennedy, and Seau. It's been my understanding that the Score Supplemental was only designated an RC for Emmitt Smith because he does not have a card in the 1990 Score regular set. But Kennedy and Seau do have cards in the regular set, thus their Supplemental cards are not technically RC's. The Beckett website does not have the RC designation by the Supplemental cards, for example. Surely we should prefer that the choices for the signed HOF rookie card set be actual rookie cards. (For this reason, I am also against using a 1991 card for Sharpe.) The Action Packed cards are a pain, but they do seem to best fit the criteria by which all the other choices were made. >>



    Thanks Kyle. I'll do some research and will put together a list of potential future HOFers to add to the list that I maintain. I'll try and post it over the weekend - and we can go from there.

    Rgs,

    Greg M.
    Collecting vintage auto'd fb cards and Dan Marino cards!!

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  • I thought some of you might like to see some of my signed All-Americans. I am working on two sets one PSA graded and one PSA/DNA graded. I just received the PSA/DNA cards back with auto grades.



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  • DanBessetteDanBessette Posts: 6,421 ✭✭✭
    Nevets, I love them!
  • nevets. I bought a Lujack from you. Do you have a Vic Hanson signed 1955 Topps . I've never seen one


  • << <i>nevets. I bought a Lujack from you. Do you have a Vic Hanson signed 1955 Topps . I've never seen one >>



    I don't have one nor have I seen one. But I know one exists because a large lot of signed All Americans sold in a 2005 Mastro Net Auction and he was listed. The lot came both PSA/DNA as well as JSA authenticated.
  • really so one exists . How many do you have .
  • really so one exists . How many do you have .


    So far I have 35 that are PSA and will have 28 that are PSA/DNA, once my last batch I sent in for autograph grades pops.

    And a few more:

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  • Nevet- Those cards are amazing. Congrats!
    Baseball is my Pastime, Football is my Passion
  • Really nice stuff Nevets . I have 17 All-Americans signed. I regret not getting Don Hutson signed before he died . Even guys that died from 1996 to 2003 are somewhat tough to find . I wish I got them signed earlier. Only 2 players are still living Lujack and Donn Moomaw. I don't know how many died before 1955 . I saw an Albie Booth on Ebay go for $99 and it was obviously Fake .
  • gregm13gregm13 Posts: 5,798 ✭✭✭


    << <i>Really nice stuff Nevets . I have 17 All-Americans signed. I regret not getting Don Hutson signed before he died . Even guys that died from 1996 to 2003 are somewhat tough to find . I wish I got them signed earlier. Only 2 players are still living Lujack and Donn Moomaw. I don't know how many died before 1955 . I saw an Albie Booth on Ebay go for $99 and it was obviously Fake . >>



    11 Players died before the set was released in 1955 - list below:

    Players Name DOD
    NILES KINNICK 1943
    ANDY BERSHAK 1943
    KNUTE ROCKNE 1931
    PUDGE HEFFELFINGER 1954
    JIM THORPE 1953
    ARNOLD LASSMAN 1930
    CHARLES BRICKLEY 1949
    TED COY 1935
    ADOLPH SCHULTZ 1951
    RED CAGLE 1942
    ''FATS'' HENRY 1952
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  • gregm13gregm13 Posts: 5,798 ✭✭✭


    << <i>Nevet- Those cards are amazing. Congrats! >>



    Totally agree - great cards/autographs Nevet! What I like most about the cards in your collection are the quality of the signatures themselves.

    Rgs,

    Greg M.
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  • Thank you and there is one more
    Bo McMillin 1952 .
    There is 11 or 12 of the 100 that aren't in the College Football Hall of Fame . Brud Holland is the Only African American in the set, he was ambassador to Sweden under Nixon . Chub Peabody was Governor of Massachusetts , Cotton Warburton won an Oscar for Editing Mary Poppins , Aaron Rosenberg was a movie producer , and of course Byron White was a Supreme Court Justice .



    Red Cagle was the last card I needed when I built the set . I got addicted to the set when I bought a big lot of them on Teletrade .
  • VitoCo1972VitoCo1972 Posts: 6,128 ✭✭✭
    Any idea what JJ Watt's "the card" to get signed should be? Topps Chrome? Donruss Elite? Score? Panini Certified? He's doing a signing and I was thinking of sending something in.
  • VitoCo1972VitoCo1972 Posts: 6,128 ✭✭✭
    anyone have thoughts on my previous post? Signing coming up.
  • gregm13gregm13 Posts: 5,798 ✭✭✭


    << <i>anyone have thoughts on my previous post? Signing coming up. >>



    Sorry - I didn't see your previous post. In my opinion, I think his "best" rc would be either the SP Authentic or Topps Chrome. Thoughts?

    Rgs,

    Greg M.
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  • VitoCo1972VitoCo1972 Posts: 6,128 ✭✭✭
    OK, cool. Appreciate the input. I'm going to get a Topps Chrome signed. The SP Authentic has him in a Wisconsin uniform. The Topps Chrome is at the Combine but that seems a bit better. For the record, if we wanted to proceed forward from 02-14 with two qualifying cards, it wouldn't upset me in the least.
  • Any one know if YA Tittle still signs? I would like to get his 1952 Bowman large card signed. I know this is his 3rd yr card--but I like it better than his 1950 Bowman RC
  • VitoCo1972VitoCo1972 Posts: 6,128 ✭✭✭


    << <i>Any one know if YA Tittle still signs? I would like to get his 1952 Bowman large card signed. I know this is his 3rd yr card--but I like it better than his 1950 Bowman RC >>



    He's doing a signing in Los Angeles in two weeks. HallOfFameSports.com
  • DanBessetteDanBessette Posts: 6,421 ✭✭✭
  • As far I know Y.A. Tittle is still signing . I've seen successes from August and September, if you didn't pay a lot for the 1952 you should send it out.

    Y. A. Tittle
    c/o Y. A. Tittle & Associates
    200 N. Almaden Blvd., 3rd Floor
    San Jose, CA 95110
    USA


  • << <i>As far I know Y.A. Tittle is still signing . I've seen successes from August and September, if you didn't pay a lot for the 1952 you should send it out.

    Y. A. Tittle
    c/o Y. A. Tittle & Associates
    200 N. Almaden Blvd., 3rd Floor
    San Jose, CA 95110
    USA >>




    Did you add a fee to your item? Thanks


  • << <i>Any one know if YA Tittle still signs? I would like to get his 1952 Bowman large card signed. I know this is his 3rd yr card--but I like it better than his 1950 Bowman RC >>



    I got him for free end of October after 59 days. The cards were beat up and he started to sign one card in silver then signed it again in black, so I don't know that I'd send anything I care about.
  • Thanks for the info---also I am looking for any 1952 Bowman large signed cards as well--any help would be greatly appreciated!

    Does anyone know who is still alive from this set besides Gifford, McElhenny, Tittle, and Marchetti?
  • gregm13gregm13 Posts: 5,798 ✭✭✭
    These other players are also signing:

    Ed Modzelewski
    Chuck Bednarik
    Charley Trippi
    Billy Howton (even though there hasn't been a posted success in over a year)
    Ray Mathews (same comment as Howton)
    Fred Cone
    Claude Hipps
    Babe Parilli
    Zollie Toth (not 100% sure - no success in 2 years)
    Bill McColl
    Walt Michaels
    Dick Logan
    Gene Schroeder
    Dub Jones
    George Taliaferro (wants $25 donation)
    Bobby Dillon
    Dick Alban, although his handwriting is barely legible
    Ray Pelfrey - signed for me in 2011 but not sure if he is still alive/signing
    Hubert Johnston (I found him back in 2012 or 2013)
    Chuck Ortmann
    Bert Rechichar
    Yale Lary - hasn't signed since 2013 - not sure if his health is failing

    Hope this helps!

    Rgs,

    Greg M.

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  • gregm13gregm13 Posts: 5,798 ✭✭✭
    Happy Thanksgiving everyone!

    Greg M.
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  • GRGR Posts: 550 ✭✭
    Happy thanksgiving to you as well Greg
    Nathan Wagner
  • Reese3333Reese3333 Posts: 2,407 ✭✭
    Happy Thanksgiving everyone!

    I picked up an extra 1948 Leaf Sammy Baugh PSA/DNA if anyone is interested.

    I also will be listing lots of vintage football cards on ebay this weekend to help me pay for grad school.

    Thanks everyone!
    Reese
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    HOF RC Auto Set
    1955 Topps Football AA
    1950 Bowman Football
    1951 Bowman Football
    1952 Bowman Football

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  • Reese- PM sent
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  • Reese3333Reese3333 Posts: 2,407 ✭✭
    Frank I sent you an email.

    Thanks!
    Reese
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    1955 Topps Football AA
    1950 Bowman Football
    1951 Bowman Football
    1952 Bowman Football

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  • gregm13gregm13 Posts: 5,798 ✭✭✭
    Question to the board - what would be Antonio Brown's best rookie card? He doesn't have a 2010 Topps Chrome card - so the other options are one of the Panini sets, Score or Upper Deck sweet spot. Thoughts?

    Rgs,

    Greg M.
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  • What about his SP Authentic RC?
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  • VitoCo1972VitoCo1972 Posts: 6,128 ✭✭✭
    I have the same question re: Julian Edelman (not for HOF but for Patriots set).
  • VitoCo1972VitoCo1972 Posts: 6,128 ✭✭✭
    Greg, with regard to Brown, I think this may be the best

    Donruss Elite

    either that or

    Donruss

    But if we're going by the /999 or more rule, the Elite seems like the right choice.

    For Edelman, whet do you think of:

    Topps Platinum

    What's the circulation on Topps Platinum? It's really the only unsigned mainstream card for Edelman in 2009.
  • gregm13gregm13 Posts: 5,798 ✭✭✭


    << <i>What about his SP Authentic RC? >>



    Frank,

    Isn't Antonio Brown's rc signed?

    Rgs,

    Greg M.
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  • Reese3333Reese3333 Posts: 2,407 ✭✭
    I'd like to know what everyone's thoughts are on the 1948-1952 Exhibit cards. I've been adding these randomly to compliment to set. I'm curious because I don't think we've discussed them here before. Happy Holidays everyone!

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    1955 Topps Football AA
    1950 Bowman Football
    1951 Bowman Football
    1952 Bowman Football

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  • Reese3333Reese3333 Posts: 2,407 ✭✭
    Also, I have a duplicate 1961 Topps Henry Jordan PSA/DNA if anyone needs it. Let me know, I'll be listing it soon!

    Thanks,
    Reese
    Collecting the following autographed sets:
    HOF RC Auto Set
    1955 Topps Football AA
    1950 Bowman Football
    1951 Bowman Football
    1952 Bowman Football

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  • gregm13gregm13 Posts: 5,798 ✭✭✭
    Reese,

    I LOVE the signed Exhibit cards - and your Graham is amazing. I have around 12 signed and would love to complete the set one day. Do you have a complete list of all the Exhibit cards? Thus far, I have documented 58 but there are probably a few that I missed. Below is my "complete" set listing:

    Pat Harder
    Martin Ruby
    Tex Coulter
    Bob Hoernschemeyer
    George Connor
    Vitamin Smith
    Tom Fears
    Julie Rykovich
    Bill McCall
    George Ratterman
    Tank Younger
    Bobby Layne
    Bob Williams
    Charley Conerly
    Sammy Baugh
    Bob Waterfield
    Chuck Ortmann
    Marion Motley
    Charley Trippi
    Otto Graham
    Jay Rhodemyre
    Frank Tripucka
    Emlen Tunnell
    Bulldog Turner
    George Taliaferro
    Frankie Albert
    Fred Morrison
    Emil Sitko
    Dick Barwegan
    Elroy Crazylegs Hirsch
    Buddy Young
    Sid Luckman
    Joe Geri
    Johnny Lujack
    Chuck Bednarik
    Herman Wedemeyer
    Tony Canadeo
    John Dottley
    Ollie Matson
    John Mastrangelo
    Steve Van Buren
    Bob Cifers
    Joe Perry
    Nate Johnson
    Jack Jacobs
    Glenn Dobbs
    Paul Christman
    Norm Standlee
    Pete Pihos
    Dick Hoerner
    Les Horvath
    Charlie Justice
    Clyde LeForce
    Walt Schlinkman
    Y.A. Tittle
    Bill Dudley
    Irv Comp
    Steve Pritko
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  • gregm13gregm13 Posts: 5,798 ✭✭✭
    Vito,

    I think that Edelman has two "mainstream" rookie cards - Topps Platinum and Gridiron Gear. I don't think either of those are numbered. He also has a SPx rookie card - but I think those are numbered below /999. Do you have access to Beckett pricing to check whether the Topps Platinum or Gridiron Gear are more expensive?

    As for Antonio Brown - there seem to be quite a few unsigned rookie cards. Does someone have access to Beckett pricing to check which unsigned rc is more expensive?

    Rgs,

    Greg M.

    As for Brown,



    << <i>Greg, with regard to Brown, I think this may be the best

    Donruss Elite

    either that or

    Donruss

    But if we're going by the /999 or more rule, the Elite seems like the right choice.

    For Edelman, whet do you think of:

    Topps Platinum

    What's the circulation on Topps Platinum? It's really the only unsigned mainstream card for Edelman in 2009. >>

    Collecting vintage auto'd fb cards and Dan Marino cards!!

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