<< <i>a national dealer, whom i will not name, (and no, it wasn't NACT).. called me out of the blue today (he said i had bought something from him in the past.. i don't remember ever making a purchase from him on eBay, at a show, or directly.. ) .. and was offering me "at least five mixed dates" rolls of "minimum MS64 blast-white BU MorgEn DollErs from an "old hoard" for $xxx.xx each.. i'm not buying, but then i asked him if he was buying the 08/07s and told him i had a gaggle of NGC MS69 ERs and what would he offer for one?.. he sounded like he was flipping through pages of something, then he looked at eBay, and said how much do you want?.. i referred him to Coast to Coast's $600.00 buy offer in the last three issues of CW and NN and said i'd sell him one for $600.00.. he said "i can buy them for less on eBay".. i said (not in anger, just in response).. "so then go for it.. if you want one of mine, it's $600.00".. that was the end of that conversation.. >>
Hey Harv,
Maybe he got your name after you signed up for that free Red Book...
Maybe he got your name after you signed up for that free Red Book...
>>
i suppose that's possible, but like i said, he wasn't calling from NACT and claimed i had bought two tubes of regular 2006 ASEs from him two years ago and that's how he had my phone number.. i had never bought anything from him.. i have a whole ONE 2006-W ASE in OGP that i bought off eBay a few months ago for a song.. (it smells like a 70 to me.. so it'll go in with my next submission whenn i can figure out what to submit).. so it's possible his story was ca-ca and NACT is sharing or selling their free Red Book-getters' list.. i didn't find his call intrusive.. he didn't try to do the hard sell on me.. i tried to do the hard sell on HIM ..
Harv
"I won't be wronged, I won't be insulted, I won't be laid a hand on.. I don't do these things to other people.. I require the same of them.." - John Wayne, "The Shootist" (1976.. his final film)..
by the way, is anyone else like me that hasn't even really considered picking up a 70 yet? I've only got 69's but I suppose at some point it might behoove me to try to upgrade.
<< <i>Well, I won't lie to you as I'd love to have a 70 or 2 but I certainly will not pay the price being asked for them at this point in time. >>
Yeah, same here Lee. NGC MAYBE. And that's a big maybe. but I'm content with 69's right now. It's just one of those questions that I think about. Would it make sense to trade/sell a couple 69's and pick up a 70? Not today. In the future, perhaps.
Also, I'm not entirely interested in the 70 anyway, because as so many on here have shown, there's virtually NO difference in the coin itself!
I don't know if you'd consider this to be flipping or not, but again, I've been trying to take advantage of that Microsoft Cashback thing (it's now 17%). If I could buy 69's for $450 from ebay, $375 after cash back(from 17% Cashback), then sell them to a dealer for $500, I'd be making $125/coin (less shipping). Of course, with any deal, there's always some risk.
But unfortunately, you can't do this for 70's. Dealers just aren't so hot for them.
<< <i>I don't know if you'd consider this to be flipping or not, but again, I've been trying to take advantage of that Microsoft Cashback thing (it's now 17%). If I could buy 69's for $450 from ebay, $375 after cash back(from 17% Cashback), then sell them to a dealer for $500, I'd be making $125/coin (less shipping). Of course, with any deal, there's always some risk.
But unfortunately, you can't do this for 70's. Dealers just aren't so hot for them. >>
There is absolutely nothing wrong with 'flipping' Tony and if you can pick up MS69's for $375 and sell them to a dealer for $500, just do it!
Flipping is a term that can be frowned upon by many but not this fellow! I'll do it any chance I get since there is money to be made and I am not ashamed in the least bit to be the one making it.
I decided to change calling the bathroom the John and renamed it the Jim. I feel so much better saying I went to the Jim this morning.
<< <i>There is absolutely nothing wrong with 'flipping' Tony and if you can pick up MS69's for $375 and sell them to a dealer for $500, just do it!
Flipping is a term that can be frowned upon by many but not this fellow! I'll do it any chance I get since there is money to be made and I am not ashamed in the least bit to be the one making it. >>
Yeah, I understand. But so often, it seems like the word "flipping" is like a dirty word or something. Anyway, at least it makes me feel good in knowing that even though I'm selling these coins to a dealer for $500, he's going to sell them for $600+. (in some weird way, because they're able to sell these coins for that amount, then I know that there's still good demand, outside of ebay).
EDIT: Just fyi, I checked both Chattanooga Coin and Coast to Coast Coin with Better Business Bureau. Chattanooga was classified as "Unsatisfactory" whereas Coast to Coast Coin was labled as "Satisfactory". This is in regard to how they resolve customer complaints. Since they're both buying coins for $500, it might be something to take into account...
<< <i>There is absolutely nothing wrong with 'flipping' Tony and if you can pick up MS69's for $375 and sell them to a dealer for $500, just do it!
Flipping is a term that can be frowned upon by many but not this fellow! I'll do it any chance I get since there is money to be made and I am not ashamed in the least bit to be the one making it. >>
Yeah, I understand. But so often, it seems like the word "flipping" is like a dirty word or something. Anyway, at least it makes me feel good in knowing that even though I'm selling these coins to a dealer for $500, he's going to sell them for $600+. (in some weird way, because they're able to sell these coins for that amount, then I know that there's still good demand, outside of ebay).
EDIT: Just fyi, I checked both Chattanooga Coin and Coast to Coast Coin with Better Business Bureau. Chattanooga was classified as "Unsatisfactory" whereas Coast to Coast Coin was labled as "Satisfactory". This is in regard to how they resolve customer complaints. Since they're both buying coins for $500, it might be something to take into account... >>
Just be careful if you do. They're bound to say "$400" next time you call to sell. May want to get a verbal agreement, but then again, that'd probably only be good for a day or so and if you don't have the coins in hand, you could be waiting a few days for the mail to arrive.
<< <i>Just be careful if you do. They're bound to say "$400" next time you call to sell. May want to get a verbal agreement, but then again, that'd probably only be good for a day or so and if you don't have the coins in hand, you could be waiting a few days for the mail to arrive. >>
Yeah, good point Lope208. I'll have to be careful...
<< <i>I don't know if you'd consider this to be flipping or not, but again, I've been trying to take advantage of that Microsoft Cashback thing (it's now 17%). If I could buy 69's for $450 from ebay, $375 after cash back(from 17% Cashback), then sell them to a dealer for $500, I'd be making $125/coin (less shipping). Of course, with any deal, there's always some risk.
But unfortunately, you can't do this for 70's. Dealers just aren't so hot for them. >>
Why would a dealer buy them from you for $500 if he could just get them on ebay for $450???
<< <i>I don't know if you'd consider this to be flipping or not, but again, I've been trying to take advantage of that Microsoft Cashback thing (it's now 17%). If I could buy 69's for $450 from ebay, $375 after cash back(from 17% Cashback), then sell them to a dealer for $500, I'd be making $125/coin (less shipping). Of course, with any deal, there's always some risk.
But unfortunately, you can't do this for 70's. Dealers just aren't so hot for them. >>
Why would a dealer buy them from you for $500 if he could just get them on ebay for $450??? >>
No, he's selling them for $599. He's got his own store. He doesn't sell thru ebay.
<< <i>Why would a dealer buy them from you for $500 if he could just get them on ebay for $450??? >>
There are LOTS of dealers that simply "don't do ebay".
I do ebay, and yet still will often pay more for coins I need outside of ebay than I could buy them for on eBay because I simply don't want to mess with the whole eBay process.
I also don't want to buy a coin here, a coin there, when I could just get 10 or 20 from one source (off ebay) and be done with it...
John
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<< <i>Hey, does anybody have today's issue of the Greysheet? If so, is there a bid and ask price for this coin? >>
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<< <i>They must've printed this a couple days ago.
The market is volatile and thinly capitalized.
Subject to sudden change. >>
Mmmmmm......perhaps....but maybe not as much as we see. I don't think that ebay may be a great indicator of the real market. It just happens to be the place where all the cheapskates go to find deals that are below retail.
Sleep? Me??? I just got back home from a movie....well, a movie I didn't watch. This is really...unique...some woman offered to pay us $200 for our seats! So, we took the deal. Jeez, I felt like I was in a game show or something...
EDIT: Oh, by the way, just another bit of information....the guy at Coast to Coast Coins said that getting the major albums (dansco and whitman) to include this variety will really help. Any thoughts???
<< <i>I thought I might have single handedly killed this entire thread yesterday!!! >>
I don't think you will, but, with all due respect, you sure are getting under alot of people's skin! Perhaps a "sit back & listen", "search & learn" approach would be more appropriate.
<< <i>I thought I might have single handedly killed this entire thread yesterday!!! >>
I don't think you will, but, with all due respect, you sure are getting under alot of people's skin! Perhaps a "sit back & listen", "search & learn" approach would be more appropriate. >>
<< <i>received another order yesterday of 50 pieces from the USM no 08/07's in the lot, zero, zilch, nada they looked like returns, placement of the coins in each box 180 degree rotation, some upside down, IMO no chance on getting any more from the USM they were sent back. >>
So how long has it been since one of these was found in an order from the mint? The last order that I know a '07 reverse coin was found in was made on 05-07-08.
<< <i>I thought I might have single handedly killed this entire thread yesterday!!! >>
I don't think you will, but, with all due respect, you sure are getting under alot of people's skin! Perhaps a "sit back & listen", "search & learn" approach would be more appropriate. >>
>>
~HABE FIDUCIAM IN DOMINO III V VI / III XVI~ POST NUBILA PHOEBUS / AFTER CLOUDS, SUN Love for Music / Collector of Dreck
<< <i>EDIT: Oh, by the way, just another bit of information....the guy at Coast to Coast Coins said that getting the major albums (dansco and whitman) to include this variety will really help. Any thoughts??? >>
Perhaps they will include it in their next update page but the pages for 2008 are already available so this means that possible at the soonest, you could expect to see them in 6 months or a year. It all depends upon how many update pages they've already produced and how many they want to throw away.
I decided to change calling the bathroom the John and renamed it the Jim. I feel so much better saying I went to the Jim this morning.
Comments
Thank you for your insight Mr. Barnum.
KP
<< <i>A NGC MS-69 2008 rev 07 just sold for $825 on Direct TV Unique Coin Shopping.... and they only had 1, sigh...
Thank you for your insight Mr. Barnum.
KP >>
Buyer must have been on heavy meds!!!
Wellcome doorman292!!!
<< <i>a national dealer, whom i will not name, (and no, it wasn't NACT).. called me out of the blue today (he said i had bought something from him in the past.. i don't remember ever making a purchase from him on eBay, at a show, or directly.. ) .. and was offering me "at least five mixed dates" rolls of "minimum MS64 blast-white BU MorgEn DollErs from an "old hoard" for $xxx.xx each.. i'm not buying, but then i asked him if he was buying the 08/07s and told him i had a gaggle of NGC MS69 ERs and what would he offer for one?.. he sounded like he was flipping through pages of something, then he looked at eBay, and said how much do you want?.. i referred him to Coast to Coast's $600.00 buy offer in the last three issues of CW and NN and said i'd sell him one for $600.00.. he said "i can buy them for less on eBay".. i said (not in anger, just in response).. "so then go for it.. if you want one of mine, it's $600.00".. that was the end of that conversation.. >>
Hey Harv,
Maybe he got your name after you signed up for that free Red Book...
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<< <i>
Hey Harv,
Maybe he got your name after you signed up for that free Red Book...
i suppose that's possible, but like i said, he wasn't calling from NACT and claimed i had bought two tubes of regular 2006 ASEs from him two years ago and that's how he had my phone number.. i had never bought anything from him.. i have a whole ONE 2006-W ASE in OGP that i bought off eBay a few months ago for a song.. (it smells like a 70 to me.. so it'll go in with my next submission whenn i can figure out what to submit).. so it's possible his story was ca-ca and NACT is sharing or selling their free Red Book-getters' list.. i didn't find his call intrusive.. he didn't try to do the hard sell on me.. i tried to do the hard sell on HIM
Harv
- John Wayne, "The Shootist" (1976.. his final film)..
<< <i>Goldbully, hell, I AM on heavy meds (quite relaxing, I must say), but I STILL wouldnt buy it!! lol >>
Wow, heavy meds and still a voice of reason!!!!!
I hope you recover soon and get off those meds nutz!!!!
GB
<< <i>Good morning everybody. Anything new? >>
No
-69 59/169 34.9%
-70 48/169 28.4
Other 62/169 36.7
<< <i>sent my 17 08/07 coins to ngc.... 10 came back ms70... guess i got pretty lucky with this one... >>
Congratulations!! Better than 50% 70's is very good from NGC!!
<< <i>sent my 17 08/07 coins to ngc.... 10 came back ms70... guess i got pretty lucky with this one... >>
Great result andyisback! I'd sell a few off to recoup your grading fees and buy something nice for yourself, then sit pretty
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but I suppose at some point it might behoove me to try to upgrade.
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The name is LEE!
<< <i>Well, I won't lie to you as I'd love to have a 70 or 2 but I certainly will not pay the price being asked for them at this point in time. >>
Yeah, same here Lee. NGC MAYBE. And that's a big maybe. but I'm content with 69's right now. It's just one of those questions that I
think about. Would it make sense to trade/sell a couple 69's and pick up a 70? Not today. In the future, perhaps.
Also, I'm not entirely interested in the 70 anyway, because as so many on here have shown, there's virtually NO difference in the coin itself!
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But unfortunately, you can't do this for 70's. Dealers just aren't so hot for them.
<< <i>I don't know if you'd consider this to be flipping or not, but again, I've been trying to take advantage of that Microsoft Cashback thing (it's now 17%). If I could buy 69's for $450 from ebay, $375 after cash back(from 17% Cashback), then sell them to a dealer for $500, I'd be making $125/coin (less shipping). Of course, with any deal, there's always some risk.
But unfortunately, you can't do this for 70's. Dealers just aren't so hot for them. >>
There is absolutely nothing wrong with 'flipping' Tony and if you can pick up MS69's for $375 and sell them to a dealer for $500, just do it!
Flipping is a term that can be frowned upon by many but not this fellow! I'll do it any chance I get since there is money to be made and I am not ashamed in the least bit to be the one making it.
The name is LEE!
If so , any luck.........
The mint is still saying 47k , so I wonder how soon before they start releasing the rest of them............
Dan
<< <i>There is absolutely nothing wrong with 'flipping' Tony and if you can pick up MS69's for $375 and sell them to a dealer for $500, just do it!
Flipping is a term that can be frowned upon by many but not this fellow! I'll do it any chance I get since there is money to be made and I am not ashamed in the least bit to be the one making it. >>
Yeah, I understand. But so often, it seems like the word "flipping" is like a dirty word or something. Anyway, at least it makes me feel good in knowing that even though I'm selling these coins to a dealer for $500, he's going to sell them for $600+. (in some weird way, because they're able to sell these coins for that amount, then I know that there's still good demand, outside of ebay).
EDIT: Just fyi, I checked both Chattanooga Coin and Coast to Coast Coin with Better Business Bureau. Chattanooga was classified as "Unsatisfactory" whereas Coast to Coast Coin was labled as "Satisfactory". This is in regard to how they resolve customer complaints. Since they're both buying coins for $500, it might be something to take into account...
<< <i>
<< <i>There is absolutely nothing wrong with 'flipping' Tony and if you can pick up MS69's for $375 and sell them to a dealer for $500, just do it!
Flipping is a term that can be frowned upon by many but not this fellow! I'll do it any chance I get since there is money to be made and I am not ashamed in the least bit to be the one making it. >>
Yeah, I understand. But so often, it seems like the word "flipping" is like a dirty word or something. Anyway, at least it makes me feel good in knowing that even though I'm selling these coins to a dealer for $500, he's going to sell them for $600+. (in some weird way, because they're able to sell these coins for that amount, then I know that there's still good demand, outside of ebay).
EDIT: Just fyi, I checked both Chattanooga Coin and Coast to Coast Coin with Better Business Bureau. Chattanooga was classified as "Unsatisfactory" whereas Coast to Coast Coin was labled as "Satisfactory". This is in regard to how they resolve customer complaints. Since they're both buying coins for $500, it might be something to take into account...
Just be careful if you do. They're bound to say "$400" next time you call to sell. May want to get a verbal agreement, but then again, that'd probably only be good
for a day or so and if you don't have the coins in hand, you could be waiting a few days for the mail to arrive.
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<< <i>Just be careful if you do. They're bound to say "$400" next time you call to sell. May want to get a verbal agreement, but then again, that'd probably only be good
for a day or so and if you don't have the coins in hand, you could be waiting a few days for the mail to arrive. >>
Yeah, good point Lope208. I'll have to be careful...
<< <i>I don't know if you'd consider this to be flipping or not, but again, I've been trying to take advantage of that Microsoft Cashback thing (it's now 17%). If I could buy 69's for $450 from ebay, $375 after cash back(from 17% Cashback), then sell them to a dealer for $500, I'd be making $125/coin (less shipping). Of course, with any deal, there's always some risk.
But unfortunately, you can't do this for 70's. Dealers just aren't so hot for them. >>
Why would a dealer buy them from you for $500 if he could just get them on ebay for $450???
<< <i>
<< <i>I don't know if you'd consider this to be flipping or not, but again, I've been trying to take advantage of that Microsoft Cashback thing (it's now 17%). If I could buy 69's for $450 from ebay, $375 after cash back(from 17% Cashback), then sell them to a dealer for $500, I'd be making $125/coin (less shipping). Of course, with any deal, there's always some risk.
But unfortunately, you can't do this for 70's. Dealers just aren't so hot for them. >>
Why would a dealer buy them from you for $500 if he could just get them on ebay for $450??? >>
No, he's selling them for $599. He's got his own store. He doesn't sell thru ebay.
received another order yesterday of 50 pieces from the USM
no 08/07's in the lot, zero, zilch, nada
they looked like returns, placement of the coins in each box 180 degree rotation, some upside down,
IMO no chance on getting any more from the USM
they were sent back today - returned for refund
return postage+insurance = $22 - the cost of a lottery ticket with the USM.
<< <i>Why would a dealer buy them from you for $500 if he could just get them on ebay for $450??? >>
There are LOTS of dealers that simply "don't do ebay".
I do ebay, and yet still will often pay more for coins I need
outside of ebay than I could buy them for on eBay because I simply don't want to mess with the whole eBay process.
I also don't want to buy a coin here, a coin there, when I could just get 10 or 20 from one source (off ebay) and be done with it...
John
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<< <i>Latest POPS.................................is this "error" really a rarity???????
Yes, in terms of ASE mintages I'd say this is a rarity, only second to the 1995 proof
<< <i>Hey, does anybody have today's issue of the Greysheet? If so, is there a bid and ask price for this coin? >>
510B 550A
New collectors, please educate yourself before spending money on coins; there are people who believe that using numismatic knowledge to rip the naïve is what this hobby is all about.
<< <i>510B 550A >>
Thanks Kranky.
<< <i>
<< <i>Hey, does anybody have today's issue of the Greysheet? If so, is there a bid and ask price for this coin? >>
510B 550A >>
Cool, thanks kranky!
The market is volatile and thinly capitalized.
Subject to sudden change.
<< <i>They must've printed this a couple days ago.
The market is volatile and thinly capitalized.
Subject to sudden change.
Mmmmmm......perhaps....but maybe not as much as we see. I don't think that ebay may be a great indicator of the real market. It just happens to be the place where all the cheapskates go to find deals that are below retail.
Sleep? Me??? I just got back home from a movie....well, a movie I didn't watch. This is really...unique...some woman offered to pay us $200 for our seats! So, we took the deal.
EDIT: Oh, by the way, just another bit of information....the guy at Coast to Coast Coins said that getting the major albums (dansco and whitman) to include this variety will really help. Any thoughts???
-69 56/164 34.1%
-70 46/164 28.1
Other 62/164 37.8
I think it has legs
But my head is spinning ever since this thread has been hijacked by TonyWKoo
Repeating the same points 4-5x each or more turns me off - I know he is trying to learn, but, lighten up, give it a break, it takes time, etc, etc,
WHO HAS HAD ENOUGH OF THIS? Can you IMAGINE this going on for another 1000 posts? AAAHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!
<< <i>This coin has been a great ride
I think it has legs
But my head is spinning ever since this thread has been hijacked by TonyWKoo
Repeating the same points 4-5x each or more turns me off - I know he is trying to learn, but, lighten up, give it a break, it takes time, etc, etc,
WHO HAS HAD ENOUGH OF THIS? Can you IMAGINE this going on for another 1000 posts? AAAHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!! >>
Tony, haven't you had a chance to go back and read the whole thread by now?
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<< <i>This coin has been a great ride
I think it has legs
But my head is spinning ever since this thread has been hijacked by TonyWKoo
Repeating the same points 4-5x each or more turns me off - I know he is trying to learn, but, lighten up, give it a break, it takes time, etc, etc,
WHO HAS HAD ENOUGH OF THIS? Can you IMAGINE this going on for another 1000 posts? AAAHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!! >>
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HELLO....ello....ello....ello...ello
HELLO!!!...ello....ello....ello...ello!!!
I thought I might have single handedly killed this entire thread yesterday!!!
<< <i>I thought I might have single handedly killed this entire thread yesterday!!! >>
I don't think you will, but, with all due respect, you sure are getting under alot of people's skin!
<< <i>
<< <i>I thought I might have single handedly killed this entire thread yesterday!!! >>
I don't think you will, but, with all due respect, you sure are getting under alot of people's skin!
<< <i>received another order yesterday of 50 pieces from the USM
no 08/07's in the lot, zero, zilch, nada
they looked like returns, placement of the coins in each box 180 degree rotation, some upside down,
IMO no chance on getting any more from the USM
they were sent back. >>
So how long has it been since one of these was found in an order from the mint? The last order that I know a '07 reverse coin was found in was made on 05-07-08.
<< <i>
<< <i>
<< <i>I thought I might have single handedly killed this entire thread yesterday!!! >>
I don't think you will, but, with all due respect, you sure are getting under alot of people's skin!
POST NUBILA PHOEBUS / AFTER CLOUDS, SUN
Love for Music / Collector of Dreck
<< <i>EDIT: Oh, by the way, just another bit of information....the guy at Coast to Coast Coins said that getting the major albums (dansco and whitman) to include this variety will really help. Any thoughts??? >>
Perhaps they will include it in their next update page but the pages for 2008 are already available so this means that possible at the soonest, you could expect to see them in 6 months or a year. It all depends upon how many update pages they've already produced and how many they want to throw away.
The name is LEE!