Hmmmm. I expect that ebay will put two and two together if the same computer was used to buy the item that it was listed under and a short eBay vacation will occur after that.
Remember when the madone got suspended because he let his buddy use his laptop to bid on one of his auctions?
I decided to change calling the bathroom the John and renamed it the Jim. I feel so much better saying I went to the Jim this morning.
like nobody else here has EVER made a mistake in their lives?.. what an honor it is to be in the company of perfect people..
if anyone here has:
- NEVER gotten ANY kind of traffic ticket, EVER.. - NEVER gotten ANY final grade lower than "A" in ANY High School or College class you ever took.. - NEVER been sick a day in your life.. - NEVER been late for a date, or any kind of appointment, meeting, or other occasion.. - NEVER has had a single bit of Dental work of ANY kind performed on them.. - NEVER had buyer's remorse about ANYTHING you've EVER purchased in your life.. - NEVER sold something and gotten less than you originally paid for it.. - NEVER had a flat tire - NEVER missed an off-ramp
(you want about a hundred more?.. i'll stop there..) ..
if you qualify for every single one of those NEVERs.. please shout out "Me!".. i'll wait..
{{crickets chirping}}..
"I won't be wronged, I won't be insulted, I won't be laid a hand on.. I don't do these things to other people.. I require the same of them.." - John Wayne, "The Shootist" (1976.. his final film)..
Ok just got my First strike PCGS 69 today, that I paid $375 for it from a seller on ebay that a few here thought couldn't be trusted last week. nevermind!
Comparing it to my First Strike PCGS 70 I got for $499.00 the first month these made it out as a variety, I don't see no different under 10x loupe what am I missing, maybe a reed is different than the rest, I guess pcgs did,
So do you think I would have a shot at a NGC 70 if I cracked it out compared to my PCGS 69?
<< <i>FYI, I called Chattanooga Coin Inc and they said that they're selling these like crazy. 10/day. He quoted me a buy price of $500, raw and slabbed 69. >>
This is a good sign for right now but needs to be revisited in about 6 months or a year.
At that point, the real value of the coin should become inuitively obvious.
Any number of factors contribute to the overall value of a certain coin. The downside to this particular coin is that it's collectible bullion. Many hardcore coin collectors could really careless about it.
Secondly, being a modern bullion coin which is produced with the specific intent of creating "perfect" coins, ultra high grades of MS68/MS69 are quite common. MS70 is much less common but definitely not rare in the true sense of the word "rare".
Thirdly, although 47,000 is considered a small number when compared to the million or so that 'could' be produced, it is still a fairly high number. I mean think about it, the coin is "readily" available, its simply a question of "how much" do you want to pay to own one.
Hopefully, this coin will sustain a value of between $350 and $500 but as with anything, there are no guarantees.
Lastly, milk spotting may take a certain amount of these out of the game. I do know that at least one that I had received directly from the mint, already had a milk spot.
I decided to change calling the bathroom the John and renamed it the Jim. I feel so much better saying I went to the Jim this morning.
<< <i>Just curious, do milk spot reduce the value of these coin? even if they're graded ms70?
EDIT: Ooooooooo....that guy who was trying to do the "money laundering" thing with MS CashBack is no longer a registered user....bad bad bad news.... >>
Yes. An MS70 coin with milk spots will most certainly down grade at any major TPG as some milk spotting occurs after the coin has been slabbed. Not so much with NGC but PCGS has been plagued with them for whatever reason. Predipping SAE's can minimize the spotting but for mint sealed submissions for First Strike™, it's anybodies guess as to whether or not the spotting will occur.
BTW, it has nothing to do with the Newport Beach Location as that is only the PO Box address. PCGS is actually in Santa Ana which is well inland.
Another piece of newbie information: There was a time when PCGS would NOT grade any sSilver Eagle as MS70 primarily due to this link spotting problem. They just recently lifted that ban.
I decided to change calling the bathroom the John and renamed it the Jim. I feel so much better saying I went to the Jim this morning.
I'm down to 5 MS70's, 1 pcgs and 4 NGC. I ain't buying anymore. I'm more or less done selling. I could still do the NGC's, but that's only 4. This is what we are seeing on ebay, with fewer auctions.
As these disperse more and more there will be fewer auctions, because the people will only have one or two and they will not be selling.
I guess we'll have to wait until the year 2020 to see if these have the staying power of the 1995-W.
<< <i>Several things listed don't really represent mistakes but rather fortune. >>
i'll buy that.. but some things are within your control, like getting straight As.. while other things are totally out of your control, like getting a flat tire.. some things are somewhere in-between, like never having had any Dental work.. i know people like that.. i've probably had more Dental work than some people have had hot meals.. a combination of various factors - genetics, neglect, forty year-old fillings that cracked and decayed underneath.. (i'll spare you the gory details)..
so Tony made an eBay mistake.. does this invoke the 'Mutiny on the Bounty" clause?.. does he deserve being stripped, tied to the mast, and flogged until he passes out?.. i. don't. think. so..
i've been "doing" eBay for over ten years.. i currently have (1505) Positives and never one single negative in ten years.. if everyone i have ever bought from or sold to had left me a positive, i'd have around 2500.. but over the long haul, fully one-third of eBayers NEVER leave feedback.. am i lucky? is it fortune or is it something else?.. i must be doing something right.. and yet yeah, once in a blue moon, i've bid on something and regretted it later.. i've also flipped things i've bought for ONE HUNDRED times what i paid for them.. i don't specialize in or collect *everything*.. who does?.. nobody.. but everyone makes a mistake now and then.. no matter how perfect / blessed / lucky / fortunate / Karmically pure a life you try to lead.. sometimes that Monty Python foot just comes down out of the sky and squishes you..
eBay did one good thing and two very lame things lately..
good thing - multiple feedbacks from the same winner now count multiple times.. i sell you two things in two separate auctions, we can leave each other two positives and they count as two.. before we could only leave each other one..
lame thing - a seller can't leave a buyer a negative anymore.. this one is ridiculous, and it baffles me, and eBay's explanation of why they made this change is malarky..
lame thing - soon, they're going to Track the IP address of your computer.. and throw you in the dungeon if multiple accounts use it.. this opens up a whole 'nuther kettle of worms (yikes! i mixed a metaphor! flog me!).. so i'm logged into my account, and a friend comes over and wants to do some bidding with his account on my computer.. i log out of eBay, he logs into his account on my computer.. same IP address.. what're they gonna do.. kick-ban a ten year Power Seller with perfect feedback and a seller "dashboard" rating that's currently getting me a 15% discount on fees?.. this is also malarky.. it goes way beyond malarky.. it's just plain
Harv
"I won't be wronged, I won't be insulted, I won't be laid a hand on.. I don't do these things to other people.. I require the same of them.." - John Wayne, "The Shootist" (1976.. his final film)..
I'm down to 5 MS70's, 1 pcgs and 4 NGC. I ain't buying anymore. I'm more or less done selling. I could still do the NGC's, but that's only 4. This is what we are seeing on ebay, with fewer auctions.
As these disperse more and more there will be fewer auctions, because the people will only have one or two and they will not be selling.
I guess we'll have to wait until the year 2020 to see if these have the staying power of the 1995-W. >>
Aficionado, thank you for your ON Topic information. The rest of this the stuff is getting boring REAL fast.
<< <i>Ok just got my First strike PCGS 69 today, that I paid $375 for it from a seller on ebay that a few here thought couldn't be trusted last week. nevermind!
Comparing it to my First Strike PCGS 70 I got for $499.00 the first month these made it out as a variety, I don't see no different under 10x loupe what am I missing, maybe a reed is different than the rest, I guess pcgs did,
So do you think I would have a shot at a NGC 70 if I cracked it out compared to my PCGS 69? >>
Look closely at rim edge. Many miss MS70 because of edge/rim defects.
I'm down to 5 MS70's, 1 pcgs and 4 NGC. I ain't buying anymore. I'm more or less done selling. I could still do the NGC's, but that's only 4. This is what we are seeing on ebay, with fewer auctions.
As these disperse more and more there will be fewer auctions, because the people will only have one or two and they will not be selling.
I guess we'll have to wait until the year 2020 to see if these have the staying power of the 1995-W. >>
Hmmm, I wonder how many posts this thread will be up to by then?
<< <i>How does milking occur? Is it the same as toning? Oh, and how long does it usually take? And does this happen pretty often, or just once in awhile? >>
It is unknown what exactly causes this annoyance. Some suspect that it is a poor rinse while the planchets are being manufactured while others think it a poor rinse at the mint during production.
The problem is not new with the SAE's as it occurs quite frequently on 19071-S 40% Silver Clad Ike's (Blue IKEs) and occures on late Franklin and Early Kennedy Silver Proofs.
I've seen it on 1972-S Ikes as well but not with such frequency.
How long it takes to occur is also an unknown since some occur almost at delivery while at other times it takes years for it to show up.
PCGS has a standing $50,000 reward for anybody that can come up with a sure fire method or preventing and/or removing these annoying disturbances!
I decided to change calling the bathroom the John and renamed it the Jim. I feel so much better saying I went to the Jim this morning.
<< <i>You know, for some reason, I expected the 70's to be a bit higher than what they're going for now. Any thoughts? (I'm talking about the NGC's)
EDIT: Could it be because NGC 70's are a lot more common? >>
As a matter of fact........Yes.
While PCGS had put a moratorium on grading MS70 SAE's, NGC simply grabbed the ball and ran way down court making a ton of money in the meantime.
PCGS then resumed grading the MS70's but are way more conservative on asigning the grade since the liability is much higher for PCGS MS70's vs NGC MS70's.
I decided to change calling the bathroom the John and renamed it the Jim. I feel so much better saying I went to the Jim this morning.
<< <i>You know, for some reason, I expected the 70's to be a bit higher than what they're going for now. Any thoughts? (I'm talking about the NGC's)
EDIT: Could it be because NGC 70's are a lot more common? >>
As a matter of fact........Yes.
While PCGS had put a moratorium on grading MS70 SAE's, NGC simply grabbed the ball and ran way down court making a ton of money in the meantime.
PCGS then resumed grading the MS70's but are way more conservative on asigning the grade since the liability is much higher for PCGS MS70's vs NGC MS70's. >>
God, that's just soooo stupid....and to think, some guy kept on telling me to get ms70's, saying that they're going to skyrocket.....
I have read over and over about dealers buying raw/slabbed 2008obv/2007rev for $500 (sometimes above that). Has anyone actually done this successfully, becuase I currently have 5 MS69s for sale on ebay and have had ZERO interest. I have a BIN for $475 and I accept offers. I have sold a lot of stuff on ebay and never had this much difficulty dumping stuff. I guess my question is, are those offers for real or just to get you to call up so they can reduce the price?
<< <i>You know, for some reason, I expected the 70's to be a bit higher than what they're going for now. Any thoughts? (I'm talking about the NGC's)
EDIT: Could it be because NGC 70's are a lot more common? >>
As a matter of fact........Yes.
While PCGS had put a moratorium on grading MS70 SAE's, NGC simply grabbed the ball and ran way down court making a ton of money in the meantime.
PCGS then resumed grading the MS70's but are way more conservative on asigning the grade since the liability is much higher for PCGS MS70's vs NGC MS70's. >>
God, that's just soooo stupid....and to think, some guy kept on telling me to get ms70's, saying that they're going to skyrocket..... >>
Given enough time, they could gp up Tony (MS70's that is) but skyrocketing is something that usually happens at the onset of some great discovery. Everything else is a gradual climb.
Those that develope spots over time will affect the populations of those that do not. And from what I can tell, if the spotting isn't addressed, it does get worse as time drags on. It is a reaction of sometype to the surface of the coin.
I decided to change calling the bathroom the John and renamed it the Jim. I feel so much better saying I went to the Jim this morning.
<< <i>Given enough time, they could gp up Tony (MS70's that is) but skyrocketing is something that usually happens at the onset of some great discovery. Everything else is a gradual climb.
Those that develope spots over time will affect the populations of those that do not. And from what I can tell, if the spotting isn't addressed, it does get worse as time drags on. It is a reaction of sometype to the surface of the coin. >>
Someone PM'd me and told me that PCGS slabs tend to be more susceptible to milk spotting, for some reason. Does that mean that NGC slabs have less? Does being air tight help???
Tony, in all honesty, your posts have given some "entertain value" to this thread lately, but I think (if I am reading correctly and you have only been in this hobby for a month) a more relaxing hobby like cross stitching may better suit you.
<< <i>Tony, in all honesty, your posts have given some "entertain value" to this thread lately, but I think (if I am reading correctly and you have only been in this hobby for a month) a more relaxing hobby like cross stitching may better suit you. >>
Hmmm.....cross stitching....is there good money to be made in selling cross stitches?
Tony...take this for what it's worth, because, quite honestly, you have a huge bullseye on your back and you aint running too fast. The pops of NGC 70's are much higher than PCGS 70's, as a norm, regardless what coin, what series, etc....BUT, in THIS particular situation, PCGS didn't recognize this immediately, as NGC did. THIS is why NGC 70's have a ridiculously high rate of 70's, compared to PCGS. Now, I have to ask, seriously, did you lurk on these boards, or any others, and read about this coin in the least, before you decided to jump in the water, or did you just jump, flailing arms and legs, not knowing how cold the water is, or if it's shark infested, or...? I DO believe that this NGC 70 vs PCGS 70 topic-as far as populations go-has been discussed more than once. Perhaps you should stop emailing and calling people to raise awareness of this coin, and spend some time READING. It's much like being in school...if you don't do your required homework, you will not pass the course. EVERYONE on these boards has made mistakes, whether its overpaying for a coin, getting involved in a series they know nothing about and meeting it head on blindly (sound familiar?), or any one of a number of other reasons. Ask ANYONE, we have ALL made mistakes. The BEST, most KNOWLEDGABLE collector will tell you they STILL read, they RE-read books they have read 10 times before. Tony, don't just do US a favor, do YOURSELF a FAVOR....READ, ask SERIOUS questions. DON'T try to be a hero. Spotting has been discussed 1,000 times on these boards. Hell, PCGS offers a $10,000 reward for the person who can crack the milk spotting case. Do your homework, it will benefit you by making you a better, more knowledgable collector...and yes, it will allow you to have a decent idea of when to sell, when to buy (I DID say it will give you a decent idea...not make you a fortune teller).
edited to correct a spelling error, that being to change the word 'ant' to 'any', in the 4th sentence.
nutz4coinz, I do have books several books and I do try to learn as much as I can. as for doing searches, it's really not the easiest thing to go through thousands of posts to find one on milk spotting or the population difference between NGC 70's and raw and NGC 69's and how it pertains to pricing, especially when you're not even sure if it's there in the first place. I do go around to difference places and gather as much info as I can about this coin. But c'mon, I mean, isn't this the reason why these forums are here in the first place? to talk about coins? cut me some slack, jack....
<< <i>Given enough time, they could gp up Tony (MS70's that is) but skyrocketing is something that usually happens at the onset of some great discovery. Everything else is a gradual climb.
Those that develope spots over time will affect the populations of those that do not. And from what I can tell, if the spotting isn't addressed, it does get worse as time drags on. It is a reaction of sometype to the surface of the coin. >>
Someone PM'd me and told me that PCGS slabs tend to be more susceptible to milk spotting, for some reason. Does that mean that NGC slabs have less? Does being air tight help??? >>
no one's slabs are truly air-tight.. although they're "sonically sealed".. one relatively inexpensive solution to keeping a coin looking the way it was when you bought it (especially RED copper coins).. is to use the Intercept Shield system.. every coin supply dealer with a store bigger than a closet sells it.. albums, individual 2 x 2" coin holders, individual slab holders, slab-holding box systems.. and on and on.. do some research and reading about it.. i can't tell you if it will stop an ASE from developing milk-spotting, and i don't have a huge number of ASEs.. but not a single one of them has any milk spots on it.. i keep all of my "important" coins that're slabbed in Intercept Shield slab holders, many other coins that are in mylar or cardboard 2x2s or in 2x2" IS holders in an IS-lined box.. in a safe, with dessicant (a moisture-reducing thingie..) ..
Gold is a very inert, non-reactive metal.. perhaps the most non-reactive metal there is.. that's why it's used for Dental work (although Dental Gold is only 10k).. because it has no taste, and won't react with the saliva and other gunk in your mouth.. you can EAT Gold and suffer absolutely no ill-effects at all.. it's also why, when Charles Carter opened King Tut's tomb back in the 1920s.. all that solid Gold stuff in there literally looked brand new, despite being over four thousand years old.. not too sure about Platinum's reactive properties, but Copper changes from Red to Red-Brown to Brown over time and exposure to air, Silver tends to tone in different ways over many years, depending on how it's stored..
i have a 1983 (first year) US Mint Prestige Proof set purchased directly from the Mint that year.. it looked flawless when we got it.. now, 25 years later, the Lincoln cent has a huge black fingerprint on it.. despite being sealed in plastic.. meaning it was pushed into its holder by some Mint guy not wearing any kind of gloves, he left his skin oils, in the form of an invisible fingerprint on it, but over the years, the oils from his finger's skin reacted with the Copper coin and turned it black.. you can see the individual fingerprint swirls on it.. oddly, it's the only coin in that set that has that problem.. go figure that out..
all those gorgeous Rainbow-toned coins out there with dazzling colors that people pay insane money for, those colors will, over time.. eventually turn black.. the colorful toning is just kind of the halfway point between no toning (right after Minting).. to black, after decades or centuries of exposure to the elements in the air we all breathe.. that's why you don't see Gold coins, even those a hundred or two hundred years old, with rainbow toning.. it doesn't react to the elements in the air like other metals do..
still, the makers of IS say you should buy fresh holders and boxes every ten years, as that is the advertised life-span of their effectiveness.. whether that's the truth, or they just say that to make you re-buy the stuff over and over again.. i'll leave for someone else to answer.. i'm not a metallurgist or an environmental scientist, and i don't play one on teevee..
ICG is the only TPG i know of who has IS built INTO their slabs.. i'm not going to explain the science behind IS here.. you can easily find it on the Web..
again.. the milk spotting commonly seen on ASEs has to do with the way the planchets are rinsed before those dies smack them into coins..
enough.. gotta go out and get some stuff..
Harv
"I won't be wronged, I won't be insulted, I won't be laid a hand on.. I don't do these things to other people.. I require the same of them.." - John Wayne, "The Shootist" (1976.. his final film)..
So, does anybody find it odd that some brick and mortar stores are offering more than ebay? I'd think that they'd just buy directly from ebay....maybe they just don't want to deal with the risk and the trouble? Yeah....with ebay, you first pay, then seller ships to you. When you sell to brick and mortar store, you send them coins first, then they give you check. Therefore, no risk for them???
a national dealer, whom i will not name, (and no, it wasn't NACT).. called me out of the blue today (he said i had bought something from him in the past.. i don't remember ever making a purchase from him on eBay, at a show, or directly.. ) .. and was offering me "at least five mixed dates" rolls of "minimum MS64 blast-white BU MorgEn DollErs from an "old hoard" for $xxx.xx each.. i'm not buying, but then i asked him if he was buying the 08/07s and told him i had a gaggle of NGC MS69 ERs and what would he offer for one?.. he sounded like he was flipping through pages of something, then he looked at eBay, and said how much do you want?.. i referred him to Coast to Coast's $600.00 buy offer in the last three issues of CW and NN and said i'd sell him one for $600.00.. he said "i can buy them for less on eBay".. i said (not in anger, just in response).. "so then go for it.. if you want one of mine, it's $600.00".. that was the end of that conversation..
"I won't be wronged, I won't be insulted, I won't be laid a hand on.. I don't do these things to other people.. I require the same of them.." - John Wayne, "The Shootist" (1976.. his final film)..
Comments
<< <i>OK Casman, since you really want to have a confrontation about this, here it goes: >>
Remember when the madone got suspended because he let his buddy use his laptop to bid on one of his auctions?
The name is LEE!
if anyone here has:
- NEVER gotten ANY kind of traffic ticket, EVER..
- NEVER gotten ANY final grade lower than "A" in ANY High School or College class you ever took..
- NEVER been sick a day in your life..
- NEVER been late for a date, or any kind of appointment, meeting, or other occasion..
- NEVER has had a single bit of Dental work of ANY kind performed on them..
- NEVER had buyer's remorse about ANYTHING you've EVER purchased in your life..
- NEVER sold something and gotten less than you originally paid for it..
- NEVER had a flat tire
- NEVER missed an off-ramp
(you want about a hundred more?.. i'll stop there..) ..
if you qualify for every single one of those NEVERs.. please shout out "Me!".. i'll wait..
{{crickets chirping}}..
- John Wayne, "The Shootist" (1976.. his final film)..
(Don't get me wrong, I'm not trying to dump my stash. Just upgrade from raws to NGC 70')
Comparing it to my First Strike PCGS 70 I got for $499.00 the first month these made it out as a variety, I don't see no different under 10x loupe what am I missing, maybe a reed is different than the rest, I guess pcgs did,
So do you think I would have a shot at a NGC 70 if I cracked it out compared to my PCGS 69?
<< <i>FYI, I called Chattanooga Coin Inc and they said that they're selling these like crazy. 10/day. He quoted me a buy price of $500, raw and slabbed 69. >>
This is a good sign for right now but needs to be revisited in about 6 months or a year.
At that point, the real value of the coin should become inuitively obvious.
Any number of factors contribute to the overall value of a certain coin. The downside to this particular coin is that it's collectible bullion. Many hardcore coin collectors could really careless about it.
Secondly, being a modern bullion coin which is produced with the specific intent of creating "perfect" coins, ultra high grades of MS68/MS69 are quite common. MS70 is much less common but definitely not rare in the true sense of the word "rare".
Thirdly, although 47,000 is considered a small number when compared to the million or so that 'could' be produced, it is still a fairly high number. I mean think about it, the coin is "readily" available, its simply a question of "how much" do you want to pay to own one.
Hopefully, this coin will sustain a value of between $350 and $500 but as with anything, there are no guarantees.
Lastly, milk spotting may take a certain amount of these out of the game. I do know that at least one that I had received directly from the mint, already had a milk spot.
The name is LEE!
EDIT: Ooooooooo....that guy who was trying to do the "money laundering" thing with MS CashBack is no longer a registered user....bad bad bad news....
<< <i>Just curious, do milk spot reduce the value of these coin? even if they're graded ms70?
EDIT: Ooooooooo....that guy who was trying to do the "money laundering" thing with MS CashBack is no longer a registered user....bad bad bad news.... >>
Yes. An MS70 coin with milk spots will most certainly down grade at any major TPG as some milk spotting occurs after the coin has been slabbed.
Not so much with NGC but PCGS has been plagued with them for whatever reason. Predipping SAE's can minimize the spotting but for mint sealed submissions for First Strike™, it's anybodies guess as to whether or not the spotting will occur.
BTW, it has nothing to do with the Newport Beach Location as that is only the PO Box address. PCGS is actually in Santa Ana which is well inland.
Another piece of newbie information: There was a time when PCGS would NOT grade any sSilver Eagle as MS70 primarily due to this link spotting problem. They just recently lifted that ban.
The name is LEE!
I'm down to 5 MS70's, 1 pcgs and 4 NGC. I ain't buying anymore. I'm more or less done selling. I could still do the NGC's, but that's only 4. This is what we are seeing on ebay, with fewer auctions.
As these disperse more and more there will be fewer auctions, because the people will only have one or two and they will not be selling.
I guess we'll have to wait until the year 2020 to see if these have the staying power of the 1995-W.
<< <i>Several things listed don't really represent mistakes but rather fortune. >>
i'll buy that.. but some things are within your control, like getting straight As.. while other things are totally out of your control, like getting a flat tire.. some things are somewhere in-between, like never having had any Dental work.. i know people like that.. i've probably had more Dental work than some people have had hot meals.. a combination of various factors - genetics, neglect, forty year-old fillings that cracked and decayed underneath.. (i'll spare you the gory details)..
so Tony made an eBay mistake.. does this invoke the 'Mutiny on the Bounty" clause?.. does he deserve being stripped, tied to the mast, and flogged until he passes out?.. i. don't. think. so..
i've been "doing" eBay for over ten years.. i currently have (1505) Positives and never one single negative in ten years.. if everyone i have ever bought from or sold to had left me a positive, i'd have around 2500.. but over the long haul, fully one-third of eBayers NEVER leave feedback.. am i lucky? is it fortune or is it something else?.. i must be doing something right.. and yet yeah, once in a blue moon, i've bid on something and regretted it later.. i've also flipped things i've bought for ONE HUNDRED times what i paid for them.. i don't specialize in or collect *everything*.. who does?.. nobody.. but everyone makes a mistake now and then.. no matter how perfect / blessed / lucky / fortunate / Karmically pure a life you try to lead.. sometimes that Monty Python foot just comes down out of the sky and squishes you..
eBay did one good thing and two very lame things lately..
good thing - multiple feedbacks from the same winner now count multiple times.. i sell you two things in two separate auctions, we can leave each other two positives and they count as two.. before we could only leave each other one..
lame thing - a seller can't leave a buyer a negative anymore.. this one is ridiculous, and it baffles me, and eBay's explanation of why they made this change is malarky..
lame thing - soon, they're going to Track the IP address of your computer.. and throw you in the dungeon if multiple accounts use it.. this opens up a whole 'nuther kettle of worms (yikes! i mixed a metaphor! flog me!).. so i'm logged into my account, and a friend comes over and wants to do some bidding with his account on my computer.. i log out of eBay, he logs into his account on my computer.. same IP address.. what're they gonna do.. kick-ban a ten year Power Seller with perfect feedback and a seller "dashboard" rating that's currently getting me a 15% discount on fees?.. this is also malarky.. it goes way beyond malarky.. it's just plain
Harv
- John Wayne, "The Shootist" (1976.. his final film)..
<< <i>It's also about dispersal.
I'm down to 5 MS70's, 1 pcgs and 4 NGC. I ain't buying anymore. I'm more or less done selling. I could still do the NGC's, but that's only 4. This is what we are seeing on ebay, with fewer auctions.
As these disperse more and more there will be fewer auctions, because the people will only have one or two and they will not be selling.
I guess we'll have to wait until the year 2020 to see if these have the staying power of the 1995-W. >>
Aficionado, thank you for your ON Topic information. The rest of this the stuff is getting boring REAL fast.
If it milks no one will pay a premium for a 70.
PCGS will buy it back, but what if you spent 5k on a FSMS70, a month ago.
I believe PCGS will give you current market value, someone will get fu@$ed.
<< <i>Ok just got my First strike PCGS 69 today, that I paid $375 for it from a seller on ebay that a few here thought couldn't be trusted last week. nevermind!
Comparing it to my First Strike PCGS 70 I got for $499.00 the first month these made it out as a variety, I don't see no different under 10x loupe what am I missing, maybe a reed is different than the rest, I guess pcgs did,
So do you think I would have a shot at a NGC 70 if I cracked it out compared to my PCGS 69? >>
Look closely at rim edge. Many miss MS70 because of edge/rim defects.
<< <i>It's also about dispersal.
I'm down to 5 MS70's, 1 pcgs and 4 NGC. I ain't buying anymore. I'm more or less done selling. I could still do the NGC's, but that's only 4. This is what we are seeing on ebay, with fewer auctions.
As these disperse more and more there will be fewer auctions, because the people will only have one or two and they will not be selling.
I guess we'll have to wait until the year 2020 to see if these have the staying power of the 1995-W. >>
Hmmm, I wonder how many posts this thread will be up to by then?
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<< <i>How does milking occur? Is it the same as toning? Oh, and how long does it usually take? And does this happen pretty often, or just once in awhile? >>
It is unknown what exactly causes this annoyance. Some suspect that it is a poor rinse while the planchets are being manufactured while others think it a poor rinse at the mint during production.
The problem is not new with the SAE's as it occurs quite frequently on 19071-S 40% Silver Clad Ike's (Blue IKEs) and occures on late Franklin and Early Kennedy Silver Proofs.
I've seen it on 1972-S Ikes as well but not with such frequency.
How long it takes to occur is also an unknown since some occur almost at delivery while at other times it takes years for it to show up.
PCGS has a standing $50,000 reward for anybody that can come up with a sure fire method or preventing and/or removing these annoying disturbances!
The name is LEE!
EDIT: Could it be because NGC 70's are a lot more common?
<< <i>You know, for some reason, I expected the 70's to be a bit higher than what they're going for now. Any thoughts? (I'm talking about the NGC's)
EDIT: Could it be because NGC 70's are a lot more common? >>
As a matter of fact........Yes.
While PCGS had put a moratorium on grading MS70 SAE's, NGC simply grabbed the ball and ran way down court making a ton of money in the meantime.
PCGS then resumed grading the MS70's but are way more conservative on asigning the grade since the liability is much higher for PCGS MS70's vs NGC MS70's.
The name is LEE!
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<< <i>You know, for some reason, I expected the 70's to be a bit higher than what they're going for now. Any thoughts? (I'm talking about the NGC's)
EDIT: Could it be because NGC 70's are a lot more common? >>
As a matter of fact........Yes.
While PCGS had put a moratorium on grading MS70 SAE's, NGC simply grabbed the ball and ran way down court making a ton of money in the meantime.
PCGS then resumed grading the MS70's but are way more conservative on asigning the grade since the liability is much higher for PCGS MS70's vs NGC MS70's. >>
God, that's just soooo stupid....and to think, some guy kept on telling me to get ms70's, saying that they're going to skyrocket.....
Jeff
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<< <i>You know, for some reason, I expected the 70's to be a bit higher than what they're going for now. Any thoughts? (I'm talking about the NGC's)
EDIT: Could it be because NGC 70's are a lot more common? >>
As a matter of fact........Yes.
While PCGS had put a moratorium on grading MS70 SAE's, NGC simply grabbed the ball and ran way down court making a ton of money in the meantime.
PCGS then resumed grading the MS70's but are way more conservative on asigning the grade since the liability is much higher for PCGS MS70's vs NGC MS70's. >>
God, that's just soooo stupid....and to think, some guy kept on telling me to get ms70's, saying that they're going to skyrocket.....
Given enough time, they could gp up Tony (MS70's that is) but skyrocketing is something that usually happens at the onset of some great discovery. Everything else is a gradual climb.
Those that develope spots over time will affect the populations of those that do not. And from what I can tell, if the spotting isn't addressed, it does get worse as time drags on. It is a reaction of sometype to the surface of the coin.
The name is LEE!
<< <i>Given enough time, they could gp up Tony (MS70's that is) but skyrocketing is something that usually happens at the onset of some great discovery. Everything else is a gradual climb.
Those that develope spots over time will affect the populations of those that do not. And from what I can tell, if the spotting isn't addressed, it does get worse as time drags on. It is a reaction of sometype to the surface of the coin. >>
Someone PM'd me and told me that PCGS slabs tend to be more susceptible to milk spotting, for some reason. Does that mean that NGC slabs have less? Does being air tight help???
<< <i>Tony, in all honesty, your posts have given some "entertain value" to this thread lately, but I think (if I am reading correctly and you have only been in this hobby for a month) a more relaxing hobby like cross stitching may better suit you.
Hmmm.....cross stitching....is there good money to be made in selling cross stitches?
edited to correct a spelling error, that being to change the word 'ant' to 'any', in the 4th sentence.
Tony, two words.....SEARCH FEATURE
<< <i> it's really not the easiest thing to go through thousands of posts to find one on milk spotting
Tony, two words.....SEARCH FEATURE >>
There is no search feature for specific posts. At least not that I could find. It's just for topic names.
EDIT: And why do I suddenly feel like I'm getting a lecture from a parent???
Then select Search.
You'll get a ton of threads to read.
The name is LEE!
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<< <i>Given enough time, they could gp up Tony (MS70's that is) but skyrocketing is something that usually happens at the onset of some great discovery. Everything else is a gradual climb.
Those that develope spots over time will affect the populations of those that do not. And from what I can tell, if the spotting isn't addressed, it does get worse as time drags on. It is a reaction of sometype to the surface of the coin. >>
Someone PM'd me and told me that PCGS slabs tend to be more susceptible to milk spotting, for some reason. Does that mean that NGC slabs have less? Does being air tight help???
no one's slabs are truly air-tight.. although they're "sonically sealed".. one relatively inexpensive solution to keeping a coin looking the way it was when you bought it (especially RED copper coins).. is to use the Intercept Shield system.. every coin supply dealer with a store bigger than a closet sells it.. albums, individual 2 x 2" coin holders, individual slab holders, slab-holding box systems.. and on and on.. do some research and reading about it.. i can't tell you if it will stop an ASE from developing milk-spotting, and i don't have a huge number of ASEs.. but not a single one of them has any milk spots on it.. i keep all of my "important" coins that're slabbed in Intercept Shield slab holders, many other coins that are in mylar or cardboard 2x2s or in 2x2" IS holders in an IS-lined box.. in a safe, with dessicant (a moisture-reducing thingie..) ..
Gold is a very inert, non-reactive metal.. perhaps the most non-reactive metal there is.. that's why it's used for Dental work (although Dental Gold is only 10k).. because it has no taste, and won't react with the saliva and other gunk in your mouth.. you can EAT Gold and suffer absolutely no ill-effects at all.. it's also why, when Charles Carter opened King Tut's tomb back in the 1920s.. all that solid Gold stuff in there literally looked brand new, despite being over four thousand years old.. not too sure about Platinum's reactive properties, but Copper changes from Red to Red-Brown to Brown over time and exposure to air, Silver tends to tone in different ways over many years, depending on how it's stored..
i have a 1983 (first year) US Mint Prestige Proof set purchased directly from the Mint that year.. it looked flawless when we got it.. now, 25 years later, the Lincoln cent has a huge black fingerprint on it.. despite being sealed in plastic.. meaning it was pushed into its holder by some Mint guy not wearing any kind of gloves, he left his skin oils, in the form of an invisible fingerprint on it, but over the years, the oils from his finger's skin reacted with the Copper coin and turned it black.. you can see the individual fingerprint swirls on it.. oddly, it's the only coin in that set that has that problem.. go figure that out..
all those gorgeous Rainbow-toned coins out there with dazzling colors that people pay insane money for, those colors will, over time.. eventually turn black.. the colorful toning is just kind of the halfway point between no toning (right after Minting).. to black, after decades or centuries of exposure to the elements in the air we all breathe.. that's why you don't see Gold coins, even those a hundred or two hundred years old, with rainbow toning.. it doesn't react to the elements in the air like other metals do..
still, the makers of IS say you should buy fresh holders and boxes every ten years, as that is the advertised life-span of their effectiveness.. whether that's the truth, or they just say that to make you re-buy the stuff over and over again.. i'll leave for someone else to answer.. i'm not a metallurgist or an environmental scientist, and i don't play one on teevee..
ICG is the only TPG i know of who has IS built INTO their slabs.. i'm not going to explain the science behind IS here.. you can easily find it on the Web..
again.. the milk spotting commonly seen on ASEs has to do with the way the planchets are rinsed before those dies smack them into coins..
enough.. gotta go out and get some stuff..
Harv
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<< <i>That was an uncomfortable post to read (about 20 posts back) >>
COINBOY, it's not like you to be non-specific!! Which one!!!!!!!