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I looked up the definition of Holla in the urban dictionary and apparently, I used it incorrectly! Apparently, It has more to do with females than getting someone to respond to your request.
Need the following OBW rolls to complete my 46-64 Roosevelt roll set: 1947-P & D; 1948-D; 1949-P & S; 1950-D & S; and 1952-S. Any help locating any of these OBW rolls would be gratefully appreciated!
has been bid up about $100.00 over the average, current ($550.00-ish).. eBay going price for an NGC MS69, with hours to go (as i type this).. seller's reputation?.. pictures?.. description?.. starting price?.. shipping cost?.. closing time?.. irrational exuberance?.. it's at $666.66 (as i type this..) ..
just closed for more than $200.00 less than the other one has been bid up to..
something obvious i'm missing here?.. other than the second one closed at 930am PT on a Saturday morning, which is probably (probably?).. not the best time to have an auction close.. whereas the one that's already bid up more than $200.00 higher will close around 3pm PT on a Saturday afternoon..
both are NGC brown label, not ERs..
so put on your genius hats and explain or guess what's going on and why the radical price difference for the same thing?..
"I won't be wronged, I won't be insulted, I won't be laid a hand on.. I don't do these things to other people.. I require the same of them.." - John Wayne, "The Shootist" (1976.. his final film)..
Hrlaser: Good question. From my perspective, the first that bid higher has very nice photo layout, much in the frame of MCM for instance, where they read easy and present the coin in the best of lights. It also has a very professional appearance, verses the second that appears somewhat blurry and manufactured with less emphasis on the coin and holder. THANK YOU Jesse for your continued support of the Numbers!! It is wonderful to see the interest in this coin remain strong. And Hrlaser for posing the articulate and thought-provoking questions!
has been bid up about $100.00 over the average, current ($550.00-ish).. eBay going price for an NGC MS69, with hours to go (as i type this).. seller's reputation?.. pictures?.. description?.. starting price?.. shipping cost?.. closing time?.. irrational exuberance?.. it's at $666.66 (as i type this..) ..
just closed for more than $200.00 less than the other one has been bid up to..
something obvious i'm missing here?.. other than the second one closed at 930am PT on a Saturday morning, which is probably (probably?).. not the best time to have an auction close.. whereas the one that's already bid up more than $200.00 higher will close around 3pm PT on a Saturday afternoon..
both are NGC brown label, not ERs..
so put on your genius hats and explain or guess what's going on and why the radical price difference for the same thing?.. >>
Different bidders, different want factors and just plain different auctions!
No two coins ever close at the same prices (unless they are BINs) and the differences can be radically different depending upon who sees the auction, who wants to play and what they are willing to pay.
I decided to change calling the bathroom the John and renamed it the Jim. I feel so much better saying I went to the Jim this morning.
I'm still pretty new to this, but would it be safe to say that which ever seller just spends more time on preparing a good posting (and really paying attention to detail) would probably get the higher final price? I mean, I would assume this is the case. It really makes a big difference when you just slap something together rather than spend some time doing some homework to make your item look more presentable. Just my humble opinion.
Oh, also I think that the primary reason that prices haven't been going up is the amount of supply on ebay has been up TREMENDOUSLY in the last week or two. I think that the demand is still there, but the supply has just increased.
<< <i>so put on your genius hats and explain or guess what's going on and why the radical price difference for the same thing?.. >>
A few days ago I posted about 2 NGC 70's (Brown) that closed within 2 hours of each other. Feedback just about equal for the sellers. One with free shipping sold for $100 less than the one with $8.95 shipping. The market is still evolving with these and prices will be all over the place for awhile
<< <i>Oh, also I think that the primary reason that prices haven't been going up is the amount of supply on ebay has been up TREMENDOUSLY in the last week or two >>
I thought they have actually been quite steady for the last few weeks with the w/e aution #'s a tad higher as per usual
well, here's a quick search for currently open listings using the search --> 2008 rev* 2007 NGC MS69, (i use "rev*" in case someone spells "reverse" wrong.. been known to happen.. "Buy it Now"s only.. i get 18 hits.. might be a different search for "Buy it Now"s that results in more hits.. in this case.. some with free shipping, some not, some with the best offer option, some not.. some Early Releases, some not.. with a price range from a low of about $530.00 to a high of $725.00.. again, a $200.00 spread.. that is not an insignificant difference.. and it's not like driving a bunch of miles to save 10c/gallon while you burn more $4.50/gallon gasoline than you'll save driving to a station farther away.. since you can buy and pay for these coins from the discomfort of your own home, sitting on the sofa with a beer in each hand, and don't have to drive anywhere..
to me, it's kinda fascinating to watch this.. observe different strategies, and try to figure out which way is the best way.. i mean, if you were you, which you probably are, and you wanted to buy one, which you probably don't since the particpants in this novel probably already have them and are either selling, or having them graded, or holding and waiting.. but say you didn't have any and you wanted one.. and had 18 of the same things lined up in a row, with a $200.00 price spread.. are you gonna pay $200.00 more just because the seller has better photos, all other things being equal?.. i have some NGC MS69 ERs from different sources, paid a FRACTIOn of what they're going for now.. and their grading is very consistant.. none of them jump out as "hey this outta be a 70!.. or hey this shouldda been a 68!".. i think if you've looked at enough Burnished ASEs, you get to the point where you can tell a 70 when you see one..
maybe in x months, or it might take x years.. i have no idea.. we can look back and say geeze.. why didn't i snap them up at $700.00 now that they're going for three grand!?.. or maybe we won't..
i'm not buying.. and not selling.. just holding and watching..
"I won't be wronged, I won't be insulted, I won't be laid a hand on.. I don't do these things to other people.. I require the same of them.." - John Wayne, "The Shootist" (1976.. his final film)..
Here's some: All Brown label 69's one just finished at $465 ($6 shipping) # 260247947274 another finished at $467 " 260247947682 another $467 " 260247947973 another $456 " 260247948533 another $457 " 260247949404 All a few min. apart...
Sooooooooooo why is another brown ms69 at $666 with 4 hours to go????? # 220243743096 ... I see BIN's below $600 (satanic bidder???)
<< <i>Here's some: All Brown label 69's one just finished at $465 ($6 shipping) # 260247947274 another finished at $467 " 260247947682 another $467 " 260247947973 another $456 " 260247948533 another $457 " 260247949404 All a few min. apart...
Sooooooooooo why is another brown ms69 at $666 with 4 hours to go????? # 220243743096 ... I see BIN's below $600 (satanic bidder???) >>
They seem to be getting cheaper on the BS&T board with no takers either. My local B&M dealer said this morning that he has had a few asking just to see one but not even ONE request to buy one.
OK: I am a new member and this is my first time post. I must say I have been watching this board for all 3000+ posts with fascination. I am a newby at this game and was fortunate enough to grab 9 of these puppies very early on after speaking to some who know a whole lot more than me. The bottom line is, money has to go somewhere, and with the bond and stock market the past year, losses have accrued unless you were smart enough to short your positions you took a bath. I bought these in the hopes that these do what these have done. I have watched with musings at some of the varied opinions as to what this coin will do. For what it's worth, and I know I am speaking to a group much more learned and savvy than me, but I think the bottom line will be the count. I foresee this going the way of the 95W ONLY if this count is below 30,000. It will take a while to truly know,but since i don't have much in them, I am not out much if they stall. It has been great to read all the postings and see what the general consensu is, though I still am not sure what that may be. My two cents here is worth less than that, but there you have it.
"We scoff at honor, yet are shocked to find traitors in our midst" --CS Lewis
<< <i>Here's some: All Brown label 69's one just finished at $465 ($6 shipping) # 260247947274 another finished at $467 " 260247947682 another $467 " 260247947973 another $456 " 260247948533 another $457 " 260247949404 All a few min. apart...
Sooooooooooo why is another brown ms69 at $666 with 4 hours to go????? # 220243743096 ... I see BIN's below $600 (satanic bidder???) >>
I know that one and have noticed that the seller for whatever reason, no accusing anyone of anything, but his listings seem to have consistent bid feedback #'s for the higher bidders and stand out like a sore thumb in a crowd of true auctions, same area running say 360.00 at the time and his are (not just 1 listing) all in the 6's.
There seems to be a lot of uncertainty here (as with so many other areas of life)...OK, in a previous life, I had wanted to be a counselor, so please excuse this off topic post. (Just ignore if it doesn't rub you the right way).
OK, in uncertain times (like with this coin), where people aren't exactly sure what to do (or what NOT to do), and where thoughts of regret, self blame, self doubt shame and humiliation loom just over the horizon, I've found these thoughts to be the most helpful:
Always do the best you can with what you have, and that's it. That's all you can ever do in life anyway. No more, no less.
I'm sure that a lot of us are wondering, "Should I sell now? Should I buy more? Or should I hold on? What's going to happen later? Who should I trust? Etc..." Just do what you can with what you've got. Afterwards, if you feel regret and shame, you should always remind yourself that you made the best decision you made at the time with the info you had at that time.
No one really knows or can completely control the future. But there's one thing that we CAN control, and that's ourselves. So, we do the best we can with what we have, and that's all we can ever do.
Focus on what we CAN do, not what we can't. Focus on what we DO have, not what we don't. Focus on who we ARE, not who we aren't.
The stuff we can't do, don't have, or the person we aren't, we can't control ANY of those things. They'll happen no matter how hard we try, so there's no point in focusing on those things. We need to focus on what we CAN control.
In regards to this coin, I think that each of us should ask ourselves what we think is the best decision we can make at this moment and do it. Afterwards, if it turns out to be the "wrong" one, we need to remember that we did what we could, and that none of us can ever see the future.
Anyway, just my two cents. Again, I apologize if this post doesn't agree with you, but these ideas are what helps me get through the day.
silver mallard. Join the frenzy. There are some very learned collectors on this board and it is one of my little pleasures every day. I learn so much from the varied interests here
<< <i>In regards to this coin, I think that each of us should ask ourselves what we think is the best decision we can make at this moment and do it >>
I am satisfied to have the #'s of 08/07's that I have and will keep them for the future. If they go down a bit so be it. I still have 17 NGC MS/PF70 and 32 MS/PF 69 20th Anniversary sets. I do not regret selling them when they were hot.
<< <i>Wow, I knew I shouldn't have opened all those boxes, Box of 25 went for $3650.00link >>
i guess no one ever told him it's not a really good idea to have your name and address clearly shown in an eBay auction photo.. whatever.. people just have to use some common sense.. a commodity that seems to be lacking in modern society.. especially when you use eBay's picture hosting and have no control over the photos once the auction ends.. well, someone just gambled $3650.00 on what could be a box worth about $700.00.. or if they get REALLY lucky, ten to fifteen grand.. or anywhere in-between.. that's quite a gamble..
"I won't be wronged, I won't be insulted, I won't be laid a hand on.. I don't do these things to other people.. I require the same of them.." - John Wayne, "The Shootist" (1976.. his final film)..
<< <i>Wow, I knew I shouldn't have opened all those boxes, Box of 25 went for $3650.00link >>
I have never ordered 25 ASE's from the mint at one time, so my question is. Are the contents of that box packed inside another box?
I only ask because it looks like it is sealed with just plain clear shipping tape. Could you not heat the tape up with a blow dryer remove the tape open the box and check for the error?????????? Then re-tape the box with clear shipping tape.
I would think the mint would use a more secure method of sealing these boxes..JMHO
<< <i>I have never ordered 25 ASE's from the mint at one time, so my question is. Are the contents of that box packed inside another box >>
My first 2008 ASE order was for 25 at around the same time at the seller placed his. I got 0/25. An order placed 2 weeks later and rec'd around 4/28 got 12/12. So for $3650 PLUS the cost of grading 25 FS coins and shipping he could have a bunch of FS 08/08's. EEEEEEEK!
The taping from the mint is the clear tape which I guess could be heated off. There is no box-in-box thing
I appreciate the welcome here. Thanks. I learned a long time ago that God gave us two ears (and in this case two eyes) and one mouth for a reason. I have learned a ton from reading your opinions and experiences, digested what I thought was pertinent and disregarded some of the rest. I would appreciate the collective input from y'all about someone who may or may not be a member here, so i shall not give his name, but in an email yesterday to me, he told me (paraphrase) that he had just retired from the US Mint as some kind of manager and that he thought 364 07 reverse dies were used on the 08's before being changed and that it was not unusual to use up the dies from the previous year. He said to sell now because there were a whole lot more than what people thought and that the population could run into the "high thousands"--(whatever parameters that was).
I don't doubt he was who he says he is, but could it be possible that that many dies were used and that the previous statement from Mint officials were way off about the 47,000 that were minted? Opinions?????????
"We scoff at honor, yet are shocked to find traitors in our midst" --CS Lewis
<< <i>I appreciate the welcome here. Thanks. I learned a long time ago that God gave us two ears (and in this case two eyes) and one mouth for a reason. I have learned a ton from reading your opinions and experiences, digested what I thought was pertinent and disregarded some of the rest. I would appreciate the collective input from y'all about someone who may or may not be a member here, so i shall not give his name, but in an email yesterday to me, he told me (paraphrase) that he had just retired from the US Mint as some kind of manager and that he thought 364 07 reverse dies were used on the 08's before being changed and that it was not unusual to use up the dies from the previous year. He said to sell now because there were a whole lot more than what people thought and that the population could run into the "high thousands"--(whatever parameters that was).
I don't doubt he was who he says he is, but could it be possible that that many dies were used and that the previous statement from Mint officials were way off about the 47,000 that were minted? Opinions????????? >>
No, not possible, 364 dies X # coins would be like 2 million coins...
SilverMallard, that's a HIGHLY inflammatory post you just made. Before you make such posts, I highly reccommend that you confirm your sources. Such statements could lead to very unfortunate consequences. So again, are you REALLY sure that what you're saying is true?
Oh, and one more thing. If what you say is really true, and the Mint has misrepresented what they said, then there's going to be a real sh*tstorm that they're going to have to face after this "fact" is released to the public. I'm talking about possible law suits, protests, and general bad press. If the mint really didn't know how many were made, they probably would have been better off saying that they didn't know, instead of stating that there were 47,000.
Anyway, if they actually do make such a statement, I know that I'd be the first to start the anti-Mint campaign of bad press and contacting my lawyer friends to see what our options are. I'm sure that the mint has VERY DEEP pockets. In fact, it may be a good thing if they lied about the mintage.
So again, before you "contribute" to this forum with unfounded rumors, please check your sources first. Thanks SilverMallard.
Oh, and one more thing. If you really think it's true, I'd be happy to buy your 9 rev07's for half off of current market price. Say...$250/per. Just say the word, and I'll paypal you the entire $2340.
There seems to be a big difference between one shift of 15 dies and 364 dies for however long. I don't believe the numbers available support that many dies. Pro rated 15 dies= 47000....364 would equal 1,140,533. more than double the entire production of last year.....DUH!!!!
Please confirm before you post.....rumors are worthless and will get you many enemies
<< <i>There seems to be a big difference between one shift of 15 dies and 364 dies for however long. I don't believe the numbers available support that many dies. Pro rated 15 dies= 47000....364 would equal 1,140,533. more than double the entire production of last year.....DUH!!!!
Please confirm before you post.....rumors are worthless and will get you many enemies >>
Correction, the Mint estimated 15 dies over three shifts, not one.
As for Mr. TonyWKoo's "Oh, and one more thing. If what you say is really true, and the Mint has misrepresented what they said, then there's going to be a real sh*tstorm that they're going to have to face after this "fact" is released to the public. I'm talking about possible law suits, protests, and general bad press. If the mint really didn't know how many were made, they probably would have been better off saying that they didn't know, instead of stating that there were 47,000."
Good luck suing the US Mint! The spokesperson, Michael White, stated that the figure given of 47,000 was only an "estimate" as reported in the Coin World of May 12th. The May 5th edition had no numbers to throw out. Difficult to a case of intentional deception with the intent to commit fraud on the US Public given that statement.
I decided to change calling the bathroom the John and renamed it the Jim. I feel so much better saying I went to the Jim this morning.
19Lyds, there are such things as class action law suits. Hundreds, thousands of people have been affected by these coins, and I'm sure that some of them either are lawyers or have family and/or friends who are lawyers.
And besides, I love going after hopeless causes. As I stated in one of my previous posts, I believe in doing what I can every day...I don't worry so much about final success or failure in whatever I do. I measure my success based on what I DO accomplish every day versus what I CAN accomplish every day. For me, there's no such thing as a lost cause. Just knowing that I put in whatever I can into something, that's rewarding enough for me...no matter what the outcomes are in the end.
Maybe that's the attitude that David had, when he faced Goliath.
<< <i>For what it's worth, and I know I am speaking to a group much more learned and savvy than me, but I think the bottom line will be the count. I foresee this going the way of the 95W ONLY if this count is below 30,000. It will take a while to truly know,but since i don't have much in them, I am not out much if they stall. It has been great to read all the postings and see what the general consensu is, though I still am not sure what that may be >>
3 1/2 hours ago:
<< <i>I would appreciate the collective input from y'all about someone who may or may not be a member here, so i shall not give his name, but in an email yesterday to me, he told me (paraphrase) that he had just retired from the US Mint as some kind of manager and that he thought 364 07 reverse dies were used on the 08's before being changed and that it was not unusual to use up the dies from the previous year. He said to sell now because there were a whole lot more than what people thought and that the population could run into the "high thousands"--(whatever parameters that was >>
<< <i>19Lyds, there are such things as class action law suits. Hundreds, thousands of people have been affected by these coins, and I'm sure that some of them either are lawyers or have family and/or friends who are lawyers.
And besides, I love going after hopeless causes. As I stated in one of my previous posts, I believe in doing what I can every day...I don't worry so much about final success or failure in whatever I do. I measure my success based on what I DO accomplish every day versus what I CAN accomplish every day. For me, there's no such thing as a lost cause. Just knowing that I put in whatever I can into something, that's rewarding enough for me...no matter what the outcomes are in the end.
Maybe that's the attitude that David had, when he faced Goliath. >>
I used to think like that until I knocked some sense into myself.
I decided to change calling the bathroom the John and renamed it the Jim. I feel so much better saying I went to the Jim this morning.
This isn't some ragtag fly by night company. This is the U.S Treasury, they make money. They know what's coming in and going out.
Besides, with all the orders we all made, not to mention Mint employees, I'd venture a guess that almost every coin has been searched for 07/08 Reverse. There ain't millions.
<< <i>19Lyds, there are such things as class action law suits. Hundreds, thousands of people have been affected by these coins, and I'm sure that some of them either are lawyers or have family and/or friends who are lawyers.
And besides, I love going after hopeless causes. As I stated in one of my previous posts, I believe in doing what I can every day...I don't worry so much about final success or failure in whatever I do. I measure my success based on what I DO accomplish every day versus what I CAN accomplish every day. For me, there's no such thing as a lost cause. Just knowing that I put in whatever I can into something, that's rewarding enough for me...no matter what the outcomes are in the end.
Maybe that's the attitude that David had, when he faced Goliath. >>
Why am I not surprised based on your 29 posts that you'd try to sue the Mint?
I served on a jury a couple weeks for a personal injury case. A guy was suing for damages from a car accident. His story had holes all over it. Thankfully, the common sense of the jury prevailed and awarded him no money. At least I was able to help dismiss another piece of pointless litigation.
Burnie's right about this thread. Although I will give it another shot because of the good folks here that keep contributing. You all know who you are.
I haven't written too much on this thread lately, but we are getting closer to the Mint's answer about my FOIA request. They say they respond to all within 20 days. I'll keep ya'll posted. And keep the dumps coming Jesse!
<< <i>19Lyds, there are such things as class action law suits. Hundreds, thousands of people have been affected by these coins, and I'm sure that some of them either are lawyers or have family and/or friends who are lawyers.
And besides, I love going after hopeless causes. As I stated in one of my previous posts, I believe in doing what I can every day...I don't worry so much about final success or failure in whatever I do. I measure my success based on what I DO accomplish every day versus what I CAN accomplish every day. For me, there's no such thing as a lost cause. Just knowing that I put in whatever I can into something, that's rewarding enough for me...no matter what the outcomes are in the end.
Maybe that's the attitude that David had, when he faced Goliath. >>
Sounds like someone who just signed back up to argue on weekends with real forum members to me. This person needs mental help and my bet is couldn't afford an attorney for a small claims case. Come on, this post is just stupid.... THOUSANDS OF PEOPLE HAVE BEEN AFFECTED BY THESE COINS
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I looked up the definition of Holla in the urban dictionary and apparently, I used it incorrectly! Apparently, It has more to do with females than getting someone to respond to your request.
<< <i>Thanks for the graft and charts Jessewvu!
Forgot to mention the three rings iside that tent!
<< <i>HOLLA BACK >>
You're such a Holla-back-girl.
Ren
Everyone needs a little GRAFT.
Regards, John
1947-P & D; 1948-D; 1949-P & S; 1950-D & S; and 1952-S.
Any help locating any of these OBW rolls would be gratefully appreciated!
<< <i>Everyone needs a little GRAFT. >>
John the trick is not to get caught right?
-69 84/194 43.3%
-70 49/194 25.3
Other 61/194 31.4
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<< <i>Everyone needs a little GRAFT. >>
John the trick is not to get caught right?
Just call it a graph of the graft or for the spelling/useage challenged a graff of the graft.
this one
has been bid up about $100.00 over the average, current ($550.00-ish).. eBay going price for an NGC MS69, with hours to go (as i type this)..
seller's reputation?.. pictures?.. description?.. starting price?.. shipping cost?.. closing time?.. irrational exuberance?.. it's at $666.66 (as i type this..) ..
while another NGC MS69
this one
just closed for more than $200.00 less than the other one has been bid up to..
something obvious i'm missing here?.. other than the second one closed at 930am PT on a Saturday morning, which is probably (probably?).. not the best time to have an auction close.. whereas the one that's already bid up more than $200.00 higher will close around 3pm PT on a Saturday afternoon..
both are NGC brown label, not ERs..
so put on your genius hats and explain or guess what's going on and why the radical price difference for the same thing?..
- John Wayne, "The Shootist" (1976.. his final film)..
Good question.
From my perspective, the first that bid higher has very nice photo layout, much in the frame of MCM for instance, where they read easy and present the coin in the best of lights.
It also has a very professional appearance, verses the second that appears somewhat blurry and manufactured with less emphasis on the coin and holder.
THANK YOU Jesse for your continued support of the Numbers!! It is wonderful to see the interest in this coin remain strong.
And Hrlaser for posing the articulate and thought-provoking questions!
Miles
<< <i>anyone care to use their wisdom and graft and specularize why
this one
has been bid up about $100.00 over the average, current ($550.00-ish).. eBay going price for an NGC MS69, with hours to go (as i type this)..
seller's reputation?.. pictures?.. description?.. starting price?.. shipping cost?.. closing time?.. irrational exuberance?.. it's at $666.66 (as i type this..) ..
while another NGC MS69
this one
just closed for more than $200.00 less than the other one has been bid up to..
something obvious i'm missing here?.. other than the second one closed at 930am PT on a Saturday morning, which is probably (probably?).. not the best time to have an auction close.. whereas the one that's already bid up more than $200.00 higher will close around 3pm PT on a Saturday afternoon..
both are NGC brown label, not ERs..
so put on your genius hats and explain or guess what's going on and why the radical price difference for the same thing?.. >>
Different bidders, different want factors and just plain different auctions!
No two coins ever close at the same prices (unless they are BINs) and the differences can be radically different depending upon who sees the auction, who wants to play and what they are willing to pay.
The name is LEE!
Oh, also I think that the primary reason that prices haven't been going up is the amount of supply on ebay has been up TREMENDOUSLY in the last week or two. I think that the demand is still there, but the supply has just increased.
<< <i>so put on your genius hats and explain or guess what's going on and why the radical price difference for the same thing?.. >>
A few days ago I posted about 2 NGC 70's (Brown) that closed within 2 hours of each other. Feedback just about equal for the sellers. One with free shipping sold for $100 less than the one with $8.95 shipping. The market is still evolving with these and prices will be all over the place for awhile
<< <i>Oh, also I think that the primary reason that prices haven't been going up is the amount of supply on ebay has been up TREMENDOUSLY in the last week or two >>
I thought they have actually been quite steady for the last few weeks with the w/e aution #'s a tad higher as per usual
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to me, it's kinda fascinating to watch this.. observe different strategies, and try to figure out which way is the best way..
i mean, if you were you, which you probably are, and you wanted to buy one, which you probably don't since the particpants in this novel probably already have them and are either selling, or having them graded, or holding and waiting.. but say you didn't have any and you wanted one.. and had 18 of the same things lined up in a row, with a $200.00 price spread.. are you gonna pay $200.00 more just because the seller has better photos, all other things being equal?.. i have some NGC MS69 ERs from different sources, paid a FRACTIOn of what they're going for now.. and their grading is very consistant.. none of them jump out as "hey this outta be a 70!.. or hey this shouldda been a 68!".. i think if you've looked at enough Burnished ASEs, you get to the point where you can tell a 70 when you see one..
maybe in x months, or it might take x years.. i have no idea.. we can look back and say geeze.. why didn't i snap them up at $700.00 now that they're going for three grand!?.. or maybe we won't..
i'm not buying.. and not selling.. just holding and watching..
- John Wayne, "The Shootist" (1976.. his final film)..
another finished at $467 " 260247947682
another $467 " 260247947973
another $456 " 260247948533
another $457 " 260247949404
All a few min. apart...
Sooooooooooo why is another brown ms69 at $666 with 4 hours to go????? # 220243743096 ... I see BIN's below $600 (satanic bidder???)
<< <i>Here's some: All Brown label 69's one just finished at $465 ($6 shipping) # 260247947274
another finished at $467 " 260247947682
another $467 " 260247947973
another $456 " 260247948533
another $457 " 260247949404
All a few min. apart...
Sooooooooooo why is another brown ms69 at $666 with 4 hours to go????? # 220243743096 ... I see BIN's below $600 (satanic bidder???)
They seem to be getting cheaper on the BS&T board with no takers either. My local B&M dealer said this morning that he has had a few asking just to see one but not even ONE request to buy one.
<< <i>Here's some: All Brown label 69's one just finished at $465 ($6 shipping) # 260247947274
another finished at $467 " 260247947682
another $467 " 260247947973
another $456 " 260247948533
another $457 " 260247949404
All a few min. apart...
Sooooooooooo why is another brown ms69 at $666 with 4 hours to go????? # 220243743096 ... I see BIN's below $600 (satanic bidder???)
I know that one and have noticed that the seller for whatever reason, no accusing anyone of anything, but his listings seem to have consistent bid feedback #'s for the higher bidders and stand out like a sore thumb in a crowd of true auctions, same area running say 360.00 at the time and his are (not just 1 listing) all in the 6's.
OK, in uncertain times (like with this coin), where people aren't exactly sure what to do (or what NOT to do), and where thoughts of regret, self blame, self doubt shame and humiliation loom just over the horizon, I've found these thoughts to be the most helpful:
Always do the best you can with what you have, and that's it. That's all you can ever do in life anyway. No more, no less.
I'm sure that a lot of us are wondering, "Should I sell now? Should I buy more? Or should I hold on? What's going to happen later? Who should I trust? Etc..." Just do what you can with what you've got. Afterwards, if you feel regret and shame, you should always remind yourself that you made the best decision you made at the time with the info you had at that time.
No one really knows or can completely control the future. But there's one thing that we CAN control, and that's ourselves. So, we do the best we can with what we have, and that's all we can ever do.
Focus on what we CAN do, not what we can't.
Focus on what we DO have, not what we don't.
Focus on who we ARE, not who we aren't.
The stuff we can't do, don't have, or the person we aren't, we can't control ANY of those things. They'll happen no matter how hard we try, so there's no point in focusing on those things. We need to focus on what we CAN control.
In regards to this coin, I think that each of us should ask ourselves what we think is the best decision we can make at this moment and do it. Afterwards, if it turns out to be the "wrong" one, we need to remember that we did what we could, and that none of us can ever see the future.
Anyway, just my two cents. Again, I apologize if this post doesn't agree with you, but these ideas are what helps me get through the day.
<< <i>In regards to this coin, I think that each of us should ask ourselves what we think is the best decision we can make at this moment and do it >>
I am satisfied to have the #'s of 08/07's that I have and will keep them for the future. If they go down a bit so be it. I still have 17 NGC MS/PF70 and 32 MS/PF 69 20th Anniversary sets. I do not regret selling them when they were hot.
<< <i>Wow, I knew I shouldn't have opened all those boxes, Box of 25 went for $3650.00link >>
i guess no one ever told him it's not a really good idea to have your name and address clearly shown in an eBay auction photo.. whatever.. people just have to use some common sense.. a commodity that seems to be lacking in modern society.. especially when you use eBay's picture hosting and have no control over the photos once the auction ends.. well, someone just gambled $3650.00 on what could be a box worth about $700.00.. or if they get REALLY lucky, ten to fifteen grand.. or anywhere in-between.. that's quite a gamble..
- John Wayne, "The Shootist" (1976.. his final film)..
<< <i>Wow, I knew I shouldn't have opened all those boxes, Box of 25 went for $3650.00link >>
I have never ordered 25 ASE's from the mint at one time, so my question is. Are the contents of that box packed inside another box?
I only ask because it looks like it is sealed with just plain clear shipping tape. Could you not heat the tape up with a blow dryer
remove the tape open the box and check for the error?????????? Then re-tape the box with clear shipping tape.
I would think the mint would use a more secure method of sealing these boxes..JMHO
<< <i>I have never ordered 25 ASE's from the mint at one time, so my question is. Are the contents of that box packed inside another box >>
My first 2008 ASE order was for 25 at around the same time at the seller placed his. I got 0/25. An order placed 2 weeks later and rec'd around 4/28 got 12/12. So for $3650 PLUS the cost of grading 25 FS coins and shipping he could have a bunch of FS 08/08's. EEEEEEEK!
The taping from the mint is the clear tape which I guess could be heated off. There is no box-in-box thing
I don't doubt he was who he says he is, but could it be possible that that many dies were used and that the previous statement from Mint officials were way off about the 47,000 that were minted? Opinions?????????
<< <i>I appreciate the welcome here. Thanks. I learned a long time ago that God gave us two ears (and in this case two eyes) and one mouth for a reason. I have learned a ton from reading your opinions and experiences, digested what I thought was pertinent and disregarded some of the rest. I would appreciate the collective input from y'all about someone who may or may not be a member here, so i shall not give his name, but in an email yesterday to me, he told me (paraphrase) that he had just retired from the US Mint as some kind of manager and that he thought 364 07 reverse dies were used on the 08's before being changed and that it was not unusual to use up the dies from the previous year. He said to sell now because there were a whole lot more than what people thought and that the population could run into the "high thousands"--(whatever parameters that was).
I don't doubt he was who he says he is, but could it be possible that that many dies were used and that the previous statement from Mint officials were way off about the 47,000 that were minted? Opinions????????? >>
No, not possible, 364 dies X # coins would be like 2 million coins...
Oh, and one more thing. If what you say is really true, and the Mint has misrepresented what they said, then there's going to be a real sh*tstorm that they're going to have to face after this "fact" is released to the public. I'm talking about possible law suits, protests, and general bad press. If the mint really didn't know how many were made, they probably would have been better off saying that they didn't know, instead of stating that there were 47,000.
Anyway, if they actually do make such a statement, I know that I'd be the first to start the anti-Mint campaign of bad press and contacting my lawyer friends to see what our options are. I'm sure that the mint has VERY DEEP pockets. In fact, it may be a good thing if they lied about the mintage.
So again, before you "contribute" to this forum with unfounded rumors, please check your sources first. Thanks SilverMallard.
Oh, and one more thing. If you really think it's true, I'd be happy to buy your 9 rev07's for half off of current market price. Say...$250/per. Just say the word, and I'll paypal you the entire $2340.
Please confirm before you post.....rumors are worthless and will get you many enemies
<< <i>There seems to be a big difference between one shift of 15 dies and 364 dies for however long. I don't believe the numbers available support that many dies. Pro rated 15 dies= 47000....364 would equal 1,140,533. more than double the entire production of last year.....DUH!!!!
Please confirm before you post.....rumors are worthless and will get you many enemies >>
Correction, the Mint estimated 15 dies over three shifts, not one.
As for Mr. TonyWKoo's "Oh, and one more thing. If what you say is really true, and the Mint has misrepresented what they said, then there's going to be a real sh*tstorm that they're going to have to face after this "fact" is released to the public. I'm talking about possible law suits, protests, and general bad press. If the mint really didn't know how many were made, they probably would have been better off saying that they didn't know, instead of stating that there were 47,000."
Good luck suing the US Mint! The spokesperson, Michael White, stated that the figure given of 47,000 was only an "estimate" as reported in the Coin World of May 12th. The May 5th edition had no numbers to throw out. Difficult to a case of intentional deception with the intent to commit fraud on the US Public given that statement.
The name is LEE!
And besides, I love going after hopeless causes. As I stated in one of my previous posts, I believe in doing what I can every day...I don't worry so much about final success or failure in whatever I do. I measure my success based on what I DO accomplish every day versus what I CAN accomplish every day. For me, there's no such thing as a lost cause. Just knowing that I put in whatever I can into something, that's rewarding enough for me...no matter what the outcomes are in the end.
Maybe that's the attitude that David had, when he faced Goliath.
<< <i>Correction, the Mint estimated 15 dies over three shifts, not one >>
Correct...my bad....but that would then equate to 72 shifts of coin production????? Wow!
<< <i>For what it's worth, and I know I am speaking to a group much more learned and savvy than me, but I think the bottom line will be the count. I foresee this going the way of the 95W ONLY if this count is below 30,000. It will take a while to truly know,but since i don't have much in them, I am not out much if they stall. It has been great to read all the postings and see what the general consensu is, though I still am not sure what that may be >>
3 1/2 hours ago:
<< <i>I would appreciate the collective input from y'all about someone who may or may not be a member here, so i shall not give his name, but in an email yesterday to me, he told me (paraphrase) that he had just retired from the US Mint as some kind of manager and that he thought 364 07 reverse dies were used on the 08's before being changed and that it was not unusual to use up the dies from the previous year. He said to sell now because there were a whole lot more than what people thought and that the population could run into the "high thousands"--(whatever parameters that was >>
Where are you now??? Any rebuttal?????
This is Burnie signing out.
<< <i>19Lyds, there are such things as class action law suits. Hundreds, thousands of people have been affected by these coins, and I'm sure that some of them either are lawyers or have family and/or friends who are lawyers.
And besides, I love going after hopeless causes. As I stated in one of my previous posts, I believe in doing what I can every day...I don't worry so much about final success or failure in whatever I do. I measure my success based on what I DO accomplish every day versus what I CAN accomplish every day. For me, there's no such thing as a lost cause. Just knowing that I put in whatever I can into something, that's rewarding enough for me...no matter what the outcomes are in the end.
Maybe that's the attitude that David had, when he faced Goliath. >>
I used to think like that until I knocked some sense into myself.
The name is LEE!
This isn't some ragtag fly by night company. This is the U.S Treasury, they make money. They know what's coming in and going out.
Besides, with all the orders we all made, not to mention Mint employees, I'd venture a guess that almost every coin has been searched for 07/08 Reverse. There ain't millions.
<< <i>19Lyds, there are such things as class action law suits. Hundreds, thousands of people have been affected by these coins, and I'm sure that some of them either are lawyers or have family and/or friends who are lawyers.
And besides, I love going after hopeless causes. As I stated in one of my previous posts, I believe in doing what I can every day...I don't worry so much about final success or failure in whatever I do. I measure my success based on what I DO accomplish every day versus what I CAN accomplish every day. For me, there's no such thing as a lost cause. Just knowing that I put in whatever I can into something, that's rewarding enough for me...no matter what the outcomes are in the end.
Maybe that's the attitude that David had, when he faced Goliath. >>
Why am I not surprised based on your 29 posts that you'd try to sue the Mint?
I served on a jury a couple weeks for a personal injury case. A guy was suing for damages
from a car accident. His story had holes all over it. Thankfully, the common sense of the jury
prevailed and awarded him no money. At least I was able to help dismiss another piece
of pointless litigation.
Burnie's right about this thread. Although I will give it another shot because of the good
folks here that keep contributing. You all know who you are.
I haven't written too much on this thread lately, but we are getting closer to the Mint's
answer about my FOIA request. They say they respond to all within 20 days. I'll keep
ya'll posted. And keep the dumps coming Jesse!
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<< <i>19Lyds, there are such things as class action law suits. Hundreds, thousands of people have been affected by these coins, and I'm sure that some of them either are lawyers or have family and/or friends who are lawyers.
And besides, I love going after hopeless causes. As I stated in one of my previous posts, I believe in doing what I can every day...I don't worry so much about final success or failure in whatever I do. I measure my success based on what I DO accomplish every day versus what I CAN accomplish every day. For me, there's no such thing as a lost cause. Just knowing that I put in whatever I can into something, that's rewarding enough for me...no matter what the outcomes are in the end.
Maybe that's the attitude that David had, when he faced Goliath. >>
Sounds like someone who just signed back up to argue on weekends with real forum members to me. This person needs mental help and my bet is couldn't afford an attorney for a small claims case. Come on, this post is just stupid.... THOUSANDS OF PEOPLE HAVE BEEN AFFECTED BY THESE COINS