<< <i>At this point folks, I strongly feel that there is enough evidence to involve Federal authorities... I am not a victim in this so I can't be the one to initiate the proceedings, but I strongly urge one of you to contact your local FBI office tomorrow... well in excess of $10,000 worth of material has been allegedly tampered with, with both the funds and the product crossing state lines... this is a VERY serious crime. >>
<< <i>does anybody have a full name and picture of this dude? as well as all related ebay id's and store names or company names associated with him? >>
One on one=Divide and conquer. It's a common arguing technique. There are too many people involved in this for it to be one on one. All of the evidence and accusations are in this thread. Why would you want to take it private to 50 different people? You want to spend the rest of the month PMing people?
We are all listening and waiting for some compelling evidence on your behalf. Many feel there is more than enough to the contrary.
<< <i>does anybody have a full name and picture of this dude? as well as all related ebay id's and store names or company names associated with him? >>
I'm in California. Gary stated he drove 5 hrs to get his "unopened boxes" in San Diego which is 2hrs from me. So Gary must be in Central CA, a short 3hr drive from me.
<< <i>yankeno why should i keep trying to defend myself when half the people who have posted were not involved in rips. guys like you are just jumping on the slaming bandwagon. other then the read and enjoying the bashing why should i keep posting here. Theres others who are important in this matter who deserve one on one answers away from all the bull this has turned into. This is like a bad news story you know nothing abbout the subject but your quick to join the bashing party. >>
I can honestly say that I dont remember who did the FIRST Football rip....but if it was you, then Im not jumping on any bashing bandwagon and I DO have a stake in all of this.
I think everyone on this board deserves open honest answers. And nevermind responding to my post, how about answering some of those questions?
I am one that said lets see what you have to say and sending packs for authentication and see how it pans out.
You have put yourself in this position. Wanting to ship instead of BBCE, purchasing wrappers, purchasing lots, and asking for wrappers and cards to everyone on this board...all similar to the busts that have been happening.
Just so I am following here - is the thought that 80'sjunkie:
- Pulled some of the packs out of legit BBCE boxes and pulled the good cards. Then replaced them with commons and off-center cards from his E-bay buys and sent them out ?
- Took whole boxes out of legit BBCE cases and created his own boxes/packs to send out to board members? If so, what happened to the original untainted boxes?
Not sure I have seen anyone nail down exactly what is suspected. Thanks.
EXPLAIN THE DAMN 74 and 86 FLEER BOXES AND STOP DANCING AROUND THE ISSUE!!!
<< <i>yankeno why should i keep trying to defend myself when half the people who have posted were not involved in rips. guys like you are just jumping on the slaming bandwagon. other then the read and enjoying the bashing why should i keep posting here. Theres others who are important in this matter who deserve one on one answers away from all the bull this has turned into. This is like a bad news story you know nothing abbout the subject but your quick to join the bashing party. >>
I suggest that any of you who feel you may have been defrauded back up as much information from these threads as possible... the images of the boxes, his posts, claims about FedEx not delivering on Monday when he missed the delivery on Thursday/Friday (that is a very key piece of evidence that shows if he got the box on Friday he had ample time to search and reseal prior to claiming to receive the fresh case on Tuesday)... email threads to your selves, copy photos out of threads... this is critical information that needs to be reported when this case is filed with the FBI.
Thanks Lee! At least someone understands coincidence from reality. I cannot personally believe I am still up at 4:00AM GMT, but I am. Thank goodness I have a work-out-of-my-home-office-sales-job with HP!
This is hilarious, but actually not when you consider people were swindled out of thousands of dollars - on the transactions where he was EXPOSED. Lord knows how much has been stolen in his lifetime. Criminals suck arse.
<< <i>OK, If I comment now stown will think I am 80' in cogneto from a routing ISP from western United States, so I will wait to comment!
But I could be in East LA! >>
Tricky accent you got there, Hans.
So basically my kid won't be able to go to college, but at least I'll have a set where the three most expensive cards are of a player I despise ~ CDsNuts
$155 PayPal refund for the Football rip please..No wonder I pulled garbage..Any of the rookies Ive seen were not even grade worthy...
Now we know why these were the worst BBCE packs ever..
I'm sure Steve Hart would be interested in pursuing this as well..Since these are his great packs/boxes that are being slandered and defrauded...
Jason
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<< <i> Not sure I have seen anyone nail down exactly what is suspected. Thanks.
Ken >>
Take a look at that 86 Fleer and early 70's boxes 80's "obtained" from a nice old man and the empty boxes he OBTAINED via e-bay. The most damning evidence in pictures. ...
Steve Hart is in Illinois right? This guy is in Central California? Doesn't that seem like a long way to drive for a picture? I'm not getting this part.
All I gotta say is my TV is off the popcorn is on and my beer is open. Keep em coming.... On a more serious note if this is true I am truly sorry for all involved
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Oh, totally agree that the boxes pictured on his thread and the one's from the E-bay buy are indeed the same. That one is a flat out lie. My question was around the packs/boxes sent out for the board rips and is he sitting on a bunch of good stuff right now stashed in his house. I am guessing that if he pulled a switch or pulled all of the nicely centered stars he didn't sell them on E-bay yet or you guys would have really had his a**.
Ken, The inference is that Gary has been buying wrappers, singles, and boxes, and "building" unopened packs, then replacing those with some of the ones he got from Steve Hart, then sending those searched packs out to us and keeping the legit packs.
One could also suspect that he may have opened and resealed some of the packs he got from Steve.
Wow. I'm as stunned as everyone else. I only participated in the break I organized, but I've always been disappointed by the lack of big stars in the other threads.
If anyone wants to see where the busts all started, here it is. While I thought that rip was a lot of fun, and I was thrilled to see the 1975 mini bust, I'm sick to my stomach to see where this has gone.
Ill keep this short: I feel so sorry for all you guys. I dont participate too much on the boards, or in any rips, but I read every single thread every night. My hat is off to you involved in uncovering this.
Gary you are a liar. I am not retarded, so I can say with 110% certainly you have pulled a switch. I await the day you're convicted.
PS you bought empty wrappers to make a bar, knowing full well you'd get these same wrappers for free from the rips? Yeah, everyones THAT stupid.
<< <i>Thanks Lee! At least someone understands coincidence from reality. I cannot personally believe I am still up at 4:00AM GMT, but I am. Thank goodness I have a work-out-of-my-home-office-sales-job with HP!
Cheers, MrG >>
MrG, get some sleep you will feel better in the morning...
The only thing that sucks about going to bed now, is that in the morning, there are going to be 450 more posts that will take an hour to read. good night now all, and my condolences to those who were burned by criminal.
As a tip, someone should work on archiving screen shots of THIS thread, as well. While we all like the forum CU offers us, it is theirs, and they may not like this type of attention.
<< <i>Has anyone placed a PayPal claim for any of these rips already? >>
I have for the 78 bb rip. Gary has 20 days to show proof of shipment. >>
Steve Hart shipped the 78 bb break. All SHOULD be good with this one if Gary furnished the appropriate mailing addy's .... >>
"All SHOULD be good with this one if Gary furnished the appropriate mailing addy's " is what really worries me. Hopefully I'll get some sense of relief from hearing back from Steve (or someone at BBCE) tomorrow.
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<< <i>At this point folks, I strongly feel that there is enough evidence to involve Federal authorities... I am not a victim in this so I can't be the one to initiate the proceedings, but I strongly urge one of you to contact your local FBI office tomorrow... well in excess of $10,000 worth of material has been allegedly tampered with, with both the funds and the product crossing state lines... this is a VERY serious crime. >>
Already been done three hours ago.
does anybody have a full name and picture of this dude? as well as all related ebay id's and store names or company names associated with him?
<< <i>does anybody have a full name and picture of this dude? as well as all related ebay id's and store names or company names associated with him? >>
his pic is in this thread. toward the middle
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We are all listening and waiting for some compelling evidence on your behalf. Many feel there is more than enough to the contrary.
Lee
<< <i>does anybody have a full name and picture of this dude? as well as all related ebay id's and store names or company names associated with him? >>
I'm in California. Gary stated he drove 5 hrs to get his "unopened boxes" in San Diego which is 2hrs from me. So Gary must be in Central CA, a short 3hr drive from me.
<< <i>yankeno why should i keep trying to defend myself when half the people who have posted were not involved in rips. guys like you are just jumping on the slaming bandwagon. other then the read and enjoying the bashing why should i keep posting here. Theres others who are important in this matter who deserve one on one answers away from all the bull this has turned into. This is like a bad news story you know nothing abbout the subject but your quick to join the bashing party. >>
I can honestly say that I dont remember who did the FIRST Football rip....but if it was you, then Im not jumping on any bashing bandwagon and I DO have a stake in all of this.
I think everyone on this board deserves open honest answers. And nevermind responding to my post, how about answering some of those questions?
I am one that said lets see what you have to say and sending packs for authentication and see how it pans out.
You have put yourself in this position. Wanting to ship instead of BBCE, purchasing wrappers, purchasing lots, and asking for wrappers and cards to everyone on this board...all similar to the busts that have been happening.
<< <i>There is no quick episode of Law & Order. If it starts looking quick, somebody else is going to get killed - often the defendant. >>
Funny and very true, nice work Lenny.....
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Just so I am following here - is the thought that 80'sjunkie:
- Pulled some of the packs out of legit BBCE boxes and pulled the good cards. Then replaced them with commons and off-center cards from his E-bay buys and sent them out ?
- Took whole boxes out of legit BBCE cases and created his own boxes/packs to send out to board members? If so, what happened to the original untainted boxes?
Not sure I have seen anyone nail down exactly what is suspected. Thanks.
Ken
<< <i>those who said they got nothing but crap you are exactly like the few people who slammed me on ebay. >>
I hate it when everyone else is wrong...
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<< <i>yankeno why should i keep trying to defend myself when half the people who have posted were not involved in rips. guys like you are just jumping on the slaming bandwagon. other then the read and enjoying the bashing why should i keep posting here. Theres others who are important in this matter who deserve one on one answers away from all the bull this has turned into. This is like a bad news story you know nothing abbout the subject but your quick to join the bashing party. >>
<< <i>
<< <i>those who said they got nothing but crap you are exactly like the few people who slammed me on ebay. >>
I hate it when everyone else is wrong... >>
Good luck to all of you!
You realize that he isn't sweating - he's laughing at us.
Cheers,
MrG
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<< <i>OK, If I comment now stown will think I am 80' in cogneto from a routing ISP from western United States, so I will wait to comment!
But I could be in East LA! >>
Tricky accent you got there, Hans.
Now we know why these were the worst BBCE packs ever..
I'm sure Steve Hart would be interested in pursuing this as well..Since these are his great packs/boxes that are being slandered and defrauded...
Jason
according to my values and my needs. Nothing holds dominion over me, I stand alone as the ruler of my life.
<< <i>
Not sure I have seen anyone nail down exactly what is suspected. Thanks.
Ken >>
Take a look at that 86 Fleer and early 70's boxes 80's "obtained" from a nice old man and the empty boxes he OBTAINED via e-bay. The most damning evidence in pictures. ...
ISO 1978 Topps Baseball in NM-MT High Grade Raw 3, 100, 103, 302, 347, 376, 416, 466, 481, 487, 509, 534, 540, 554, 579, 580, 622, 642, 673, 724__________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________ISO 1978 O-Pee-Chee in NM-MT High Grade Raw12, 21, 29, 38, 49, 65, 69, 73, 74, 81, 95, 100, 104, 110, 115, 122, 132, 133, 135, 140, 142, 151, 153, 155, 160, 161, 167, 168, 172, 179, 181, 196, 200, 204, 210, 224, 231, 240
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* L. TIANT BASIC #1
* DRYSDALE BASIC #4 100%
* MAGIC MASTER #4/BASIC #3
* PALMEIRO MASTER/BASIC #1
* '65 DISNEYLAND #2
* '78 ELVIS PRESLEY #6
* '78 THREE'S COMPANY #1
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Oh, totally agree that the boxes pictured on his thread and the one's from the E-bay buy are indeed the same. That one is a flat out lie. My question was around the packs/boxes sent out for the board rips and is he sitting on a bunch of good stuff right now stashed in his house. I am guessing that if he pulled a switch or pulled all of the nicely centered stars he didn't sell them on E-bay yet or you guys would have really had his a**.
Ken
<< <i>Has anyone placed a PayPal claim for any of these rips already? >>
I have for the 78 bb rip. Gary has 20 days to show proof of shipment.
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The inference is that Gary has been buying wrappers, singles, and boxes, and "building" unopened packs, then replacing those with some of the ones he got from Steve Hart, then sending those searched packs out to us and keeping the legit packs.
One could also suspect that he may have opened and resealed some of the packs he got from Steve.
Hope this clears it up for you.
Lee
If anyone wants to see where the busts all started, here it is. While I thought that rip was a lot of fun, and I was thrilled to see the 1975 mini bust, I'm sick to my stomach to see where this has gone.
Sorry, guys.
<< <i>
<< <i>Has anyone placed a PayPal claim for any of these rips already? >>
I have for the 78 bb rip. Gary has 20 days to show proof of shipment. >>
Steve Hart shipped the 78 bb break. All SHOULD be good with this one if Gary furnished the appropriate mailing addy's ....
ISO 1978 Topps Baseball in NM-MT High Grade Raw 3, 100, 103, 302, 347, 376, 416, 466, 481, 487, 509, 534, 540, 554, 579, 580, 622, 642, 673, 724__________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________ISO 1978 O-Pee-Chee in NM-MT High Grade Raw12, 21, 29, 38, 49, 65, 69, 73, 74, 81, 95, 100, 104, 110, 115, 122, 132, 133, 135, 140, 142, 151, 153, 155, 160, 161, 167, 168, 172, 179, 181, 196, 200, 204, 210, 224, 231, 240
Gary you are a liar. I am not retarded, so I can say with 110% certainly you have pulled a switch. I await the day you're convicted.
PS you bought empty wrappers to make a bar, knowing full well you'd get these same wrappers for free from the rips? Yeah, everyones THAT stupid.
<< <i>Thanks Lee! At least someone understands coincidence from reality. I cannot personally believe I am still up at 4:00AM GMT, but I am. Thank goodness I have a work-out-of-my-home-office-sales-job with HP!
Cheers,
MrG >>
MrG, get some sleep you will feel better in the morning...
This is very sad.
And, I do think you're between a rock and a hard place.
Presumption of innocence is the hallmark of our Republic.
But, I do have a simple question: why all the "editing?"
Also, I have to say - circumstantial evidence is accumulating. Can you see how this can make you look a wee bad? And I say bad - not guilty.
mike
Wow, Thats a good point !
Just a thought.
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<< <i>Has anyone placed a PayPal claim for any of these rips already? >>
I have for the 78 bb rip. Gary has 20 days to show proof of shipment. >>
Steve Hart shipped the 78 bb break. All SHOULD be good with this one if Gary furnished the appropriate mailing addy's .... >>
"All SHOULD be good with this one if Gary furnished the appropriate mailing addy's " is what really worries me. Hopefully I'll get some sense of relief from hearing back from Steve (or someone at BBCE) tomorrow.
WAS THE JUICE WORTH THE SQUEEZE?????