Well, my 2 lots finally made it across the pond to jolly old England. The box was very well packaged for the journey. (Thank you again Gary!) The Royal Mail even put the Global Priority box in a plastic pouch to keep out the damp. Most of the packs still smelled quite musty as others have mentioned. Since I am having to play catch-up to you guys I started ripping. I didn't get very far because the first pack contained these:
I had to scan them and share with the group!
Now back to ripping! >>
Did Gary ship directly to you?
So basically my kid won't be able to go to college, but at least I'll have a set where the three most expensive cards are of a player I despise ~ CDsNuts
The 2 74 boxes are exactly the same (look at the upturned .10 tab section - you couldn't get that the same on 2 individual boxes).
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Above e-bay purchases Below, The 5 hour drive at 7 am to an old mans collection. Old man my arse.
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Ok Gary. If you are as upstanding as you say. Start by explaining the similarities of the old mans collection and the boxes you bought of e-bay? Those two boxes are too similar to each other unless Noah brought them over two by two. >>
Above e-bay purchases Below, The 5 hour drive at 7 am to an old mans collection. Old man my arse.
>>
Ok Gary. If you are as upstanding as you say. Start by explaining the similarities of the old mans collection and the boxes you bought of e-bay? Those two boxes are too similar to each other unless Noah brought them over two by two. >>
Yes, beat me too it duece! The old friend, the nice old man, and Gary buying those same empty boxes that look like they ARE the "nice old mans" unreal .....
<< <i>Well, I think the best way to deal with this is for those who still have unopened packs, please send them to Steve Hart for inspection, if he is willing to do so.
Right now, I will hold an opinion. Let's see how it pans out. >>
isnt that a minute sampling of the overall picture? naturally every pack wasnt searched i am sure.
anyway, 16 different people from ebay saying he searches packs is pretty compelling in and of itself. now accompanied with this individual buying empty BOXES and packs for a collage. were the mint commons for the collage also???? story does not add up.
edited to add: these responses are going up so fast, arthur beat me to the questions i inquired about before i could post them.
Yeah... why is MrG complaining if he pulled a Dancing Bear RC? Interesting too that he uses a face with no space or punctuation after the last word in his post.
I got some decent cards in my packs. a winslow rc, lott rc, young rc, woodson rc. the only packs it didnt like were the 84 and 85 topps which all seem kinda warped. i know the 85's appear water damaged. condition of the cards were also good except for the above mentioned packs. i am not sure if he did or didnt reseal. the only loose pack was the 85 from the water. the others seemed fine. i will have to check the card backs for mulitple stained cards in a pack and let you all know what i see.
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did everyone keep their wrappers? I threw mine out. Could have dusted for prints. And on the gum too. The gum will hold a print better than the pack???
Gary, First of all, if you read my initial post, you'll see I never said "Gary did this..." or "80sJunkie did that...." Not one thing I said was an accusation.
What I did was simply share what I thought was compelling information that I feel is suspicious. If you can prove your innocence it would make me happy because I can go to sleep knowing that myself and countless other board members have not been ripped off.
How would you react if you were presented with suspicious information about somebody you bought something from? The reason I did this in a public forum is because I don't want anybody else to send you money without knowing the facts. Can you blame me?
If it turns out that you have not done anything wrong, then I have no problem being the bad guy.
The fact that he was simultaneously selling partial boxes of unopened 1974 Topps Baseball wax boxes while buying empty 74 boxes is very disturbing, too.
Collecting 1970s Topps baseball wax, rack and cello packs, as well as PCGS graded Half Cents, Large Cents, Two Cent pieces and Three Cent Silver pieces.
I'm just a bystander in all of this and all I can say is WOW has this spiralled. I simply logged in to check the mail day thread and update the registry when I saw this.
I can say I have enjoyed watching the rips. I was suprised at the of the lack of quality in them which kept me out as I can't remember the Quality control being THAT poor throughout in those years.
I found this statement today to be interesting and have no idea what it means:
"I am a outstanding guy and do buisness in a different type of way."
Well, that gives me "confidence".
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<< <i>If it turns out that you have not done anything wrong, then I have no problem being the bad guy. >>
Based upon the circumstances and evidence, no one would accuse you of being the bad guy
So basically my kid won't be able to go to college, but at least I'll have a set where the three most expensive cards are of a player I despise ~ CDsNuts
lee was 100 percent correct in how he handled this! something of this nature absolutely needed to be brought to the open forums. multiple people can be affected.
Didn't you guys have a problem with the '85 boxes?
Was Gary in charge of the shipping?
Water damage or something?
Steve should have caught that, don't ya think?
So basically my kid won't be able to go to college, but at least I'll have a set where the three most expensive cards are of a player I despise ~ CDsNuts
I can offer to host a Conference Call on Raindance if we are looking to file a class action type of thing-a-ma-bob. PM me if you are interested if it gets that far.
WOW ---- I'm off the boards for 12 hours and find this ...
A few things...
1). I've participated in nearly every one of Gary's rips --- both the full 80s baseball & late70/early80s baseball & the current football rip. Overall, I have received VERY little in terms of star quality or condition quality.
...however...
2) I did not open my 77 baseball pack and sent it into PSA right away. As luck would have it ---- it literally popped TODAY. Here is the line from PSA: 1 12537806 1977 TOPPS BASEBALL WAX PACK N/A 8
... so --- the '77 pack was not resealed by Gary.
I really don't know where I'm at with all of this. I'm obviously naive and very willing to take people at face value. I feel as though Gary has opened up to us as a fellow collector and given a lot of his time to this board.
I am very interested in what he has to say and am willing to give him the benefit of the doubt ... but do agree that the evidence is scary.
All told, I've sent Gary over $300 for various rips.
-Tom
- Building these sets: ------- 1960 Topps Baseball PSA 8+ ------- 1985 Topps Hockey PSA 9+
a simple "i am making a collage" doesnt hold too much water either. i would think that you naturally would stay away from anything which could be construed as a conflict of interest, i.e. handling peoples $ for wax rips and making a collage of the same items at the same time. if even remotely true, its a horrible judgement.
So basically my kid won't be able to go to college, but at least I'll have a set where the three most expensive cards are of a player I despise ~ CDsNuts
This reads like a bad grifter novel. I did not participate in any rips, but I feel badly for the guys /gals who did. Does anyone here have appropriate qualifications and know how to investigate this on sound legal grounds - providing there are any?
If it walks like a duck and quacks like a duck.................
I spend a lot of time on these boards and do a lot of business here - as do many of you. I have made many friends here, also. This appears to spit into all of our faces.
You know this has turned into a witch hunt. First off I welcome the comment someone said about sending the packs to steve hart for authentication. I really do encourage that. Really I dont know where to start I get a pm to check this out and come here to find 4 pages of people who have already made up there mind about me.
<<1.) You've explained the wrappers (you're making a collage) but what about the empty boxes and large lots of commons? Is it a giant coincidence that the lots all pertained to upcoming or ongoing rips? I am a 80s junkie I collect and buy lots of 80's stuff I dont see whee more then 1 or two of those involved anything with the last rips. I have been open and honest since ive been here even gave out my ebay id for sales and explained the neg feedback thousand s of time but i guess in any buisness your judged by the angry customers and not the thousands of happy ones>>
<<2.) Why would you make up a story regarding the '86 Fleer BK box and others when they were clearly purchased empty off ebay? >>Those were not the empty boxes I purchased shall i lay out all the packs and photo them to. I do buy over $100,000 of unopened wax a last year alone. I liked sharing the finds with you guys. No they were not the empty boxes i bought off ebay but yes I do have a empty box collection or may buy a collection with loose packs and need a box to go with them . hence the 74 packs i recently sold on ebay. I have over 100 74 packs and no boxes I pick up an empty box on ebay and put them together and turn them thats buisness. infact the 74 packs i have been buying from steve.
<<3.) Why were you so hesitant to allow Steve to do the shipping?>>That wasnt hesitant I am a maticulous person I had eveything ready and planned. all i said was it seemed like more work on other ripsi go to paypal copy the address input it on stamps dot com and print a label takes me about 1 hour to get everything boxed and labeled. took me 2 hours to go through eacj paypal put the address in another document for steve and make sure everything was right. No offense i felt like I collected veryones money if i shiped it i knew you were going tio get it and if i screwed up it was on me. i felt more stress to make sure i gave steve all the right information and got each persons order right.
<<4.) If you saw a seller on ebay selling an unopened box with your feedback would you purchase it yourself?>>Again I would not judge on negatives alone i have ppurchased before from neg people. Yes you must be carefull but weve had plenty off topics on people who hold you hostage with neg feedback. I have never played that plus alot of the negs were from newbies who cried foul first or expected the money card in every box.
I cant answer everything with a snap of the finger like i said what on ebay is ebay. Everything I have done on this board is on the up and up I am not worried. I am sorry if inlight of all of this some of you feel different but cant change ones opinion especially since it seems so many of you have already formed one. I especially dont want anyone thinking ill of bbce steve has be come a great source of lots of unopened material for my personel collection as well. What ever opinion you form of all this I am here and will try to answer any and all questions truthfully. I could care less if i head another rip they have been fun I have no problem just participating. Trust me they have been a lot of work.
Im still trying to filter through this thread but if you have a personal question about something and not more bashuing pm me I will try to get to everyone of them. Because I want this all cleared up
Gary shipped the 2-lots directly to me in the UK. (This cost me $14 and the postage on the Global Priority shipping box was $15.75.) I have opened the entire 2-lots, and other than the '89 score, I have no other major/listed stars other than the Payton and Ham I scanned. And by coincidence, the '76 box was the only box professionally graded. I initially was apprehensive about joining the football break, but as I monitored the thread, it seemed legit. I chalked my lack of stars from the other years packs as typical Topps '70s and '80s collation. I sent my 2 boxes from the '78 baseball rip, that Steve Hart shipped, to my home in Atlanta, where my in-laws (knock wood) will collect from Fed-Ex.
If anyone has a need to witch hunt me, my ebay handle is TGF_sports, and my collections are listed in the PSA registry as TGF_Collection.
blindflyer, regarding the 77 pack, i pulled a largent and posted the pic. my 76 pack was damaged (3 torn corners and gum protruding) so i opened it. i tossed the 85 pack. nothing from the rest. i think this goes deeper than the latest fb bust.
Thanks,
David (LD_Ferg)
1985 Topps Football (starting in psa 8) - #9 - started 05/21/06
i read your response and i dont see where you answered my question about explaing why 16 different people had concerns with you resealing/searching boxes/packs. all you said was you explained it before a thousand times. well, lets hear it. i must have missed the first thousand.
Gary shipped the 2-lots directly to me in the UK. (This cost me $14 and the postage on the Global Priority shipping box was $15.75.) I have opened the entire 2-lots, and other than the '89 score, I have no other major/listed stars other than the Payton and Ham I scanned. And by coincidence, the '76 box was the only box professionally graded. I initially was apprehensive about joining the football break, but as I monitored the thread, it seemed legit. I chalked my lack of stars from the other years packs as typical Topps '70s and '80s collation. I sent my 2 boxes from the '78 baseball rip, that Steve Hart shipped, to my home in Atlanta, where my in-laws (knock wood) will collect from Fed-Ex.
If anyone has a need to witch hunt me, my ebay handle is TGF_sports, and my collections are listed in the PSA registry as TGF_Collection.
Cheers, MichaelG >>
What happened to your bloody accent?
So basically my kid won't be able to go to college, but at least I'll have a set where the three most expensive cards are of a player I despise ~ CDsNuts
This is a stinking nightmare. If you'll notice, there was not one post from me on the 70s/80s football rip thread. That's because my stuff was so horrible, I was ashamed to post it. One of the packs (I already forget the year, but it wasn't the musty 1978's) was warped from water damage worse than the 1985's. No one else complained about it (like everyone did with the 85's), so I didn't say anything. I was shocked when I (1) saw his feedback when I looked at the Bobby Jenks card he was selling, and (2) everyone decided to let him keep the new 1985 box from BBCE.
In some ways, I am relieved. I knew everyone had spoken very highly of Steve Hart, yet I received 12 packs of cards supposedly from Steve, 2 of them were clearly water damaged and one was musty, and I was thinking to myself that I would never risk buying unopened from anyone again. I posted in the football rip thread that the last card in my 1976 pack was exposed somewhat (i.e. the entire card was not covered by the wrapper), and no one said a word, so I just figured I'd shut up. I almost felt guilty posting that comment. In 12 packs, I would doubt that one card was a PSA 9 quality. At least 2 dozen would be PSA 1's.
Unbelievable. Glad I'm "only" out $155. The worst part was I was telling my dad all about the packs and now I got to tell him that I'm a friggin moron because I was ripped off.
people who werent involved in the actual rips are concerned because it is a community atmosphere. alot of people here will stick together whether or not they are directly affected. plain and simple.
Above e-bay purchases Below, The 5 hour drive at 7 am to an old mans collection. Old man my arse.
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I'm not a card guy, but look at the damage to the upper right, and upper left corners of the Basketball case, in both photos. Same, same, looks like to me.
<< <i>This is a stinking nightmare. If you'll notice, there was not one post from me on the 70s/80s football rip thread. That's because my stuff was so horrible, I was ashamed to post it. One of the packs (I already forget the year, but it wasn't the musty 1978's) was warped from water damage worse than the 1985's. No one else complained about it (like everyone did with the 85's), so I didn't say anything. I was shocked when I (1) saw his feedback when I looked at the Bobby Jenks card he was selling, and (2) everyone decided to let him keep the new 1985 box from BBCE.
In some ways, I am relieved. I knew everyone had spoken very highly of Steve Hart, yet I received 12 packs of cards supposedly from Steve, 2 of them were clearly water damaged and one was musty, and I was thinking to myself that I would never risk buying unopened from anyone again. I posted in the football rip thread that the last card in my 1976 pack was exposed somewhat (i.e. the entire card was not covered by the wrapper), and no one said a word, so I just figured I'd shut up. I almost felt guilty posting that comment. In 12 packs, I would doubt that one card was a PSA 9 quality. At least 2 dozen would be PSA 1's.
Unbelievable. Glad I'm "only" out $155. The worst part was I was telling my dad all about the packs and now I got to tell him that I'm a friggin moron because I was ripped off. >>
this is exactly why open lines of communication between members is so imperative.
Why the blatant lie about those boxes coming from an old man 5 hours away when you clearly got the empties on eBay... that '86 Fleer BK box is the same exact box. Notice the two white print dots in the blue field just beneath "Basketball" and the dog-earing on the die-cut slits is identical. Why the lie? Many good people I know want answers. Given your dubious history of buying empty shit, old wrappers and vending leftovers of the same issues as the case breaks in a simlar time frame is very scary to people who trusted you with hundreds of their dollars. They deserve a clean, honest explanation from you point by point.
That 86 Fleer basketball box pictured in the e-bay win and the "old man's" box are eaxctly the same IMO. The top 70's box too ...... all the features ...... rips, creases, etc. THEY ARE THE SAME.
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<< <i>Bloody Hell! This is the dog's bollocks!!
Hey Mr. G, quick question for you.
70s FB Rip Link
<< <i>MrG
Member
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Wednesday February 28, 2007 5:42 PM
Well, my 2 lots finally made it across the pond to jolly old England. The box was very well packaged for the journey. (Thank you again Gary!) The Royal Mail even put the Global Priority box in a plastic pouch to keep out the damp. Most of the packs still smelled quite musty as others have mentioned. Since I am having to play catch-up to you guys I started ripping. I didn't get very far because the first pack contained these:
I had to scan them and share with the group!
Now back to ripping! >>
Did Gary ship directly to you?
Go Phillies
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Above e-bay purchases
Below, The 5 hour drive at 7 am to an old mans collection. Old man my arse.
Ok Gary. If you are as upstanding as you say. Start by explaining the similarities of the old mans collection and the boxes you bought of e-bay? Those two boxes are too similar to each other unless Noah brought them over two by two. >>
<< <i>iF YOU HAVE BEEN IN ON THE RIPPS YOU KNOW FIRST HAND WE HAVE BEEN LEGIT. >>
um..okay...whats next?
If the glove don't fit, you must acquit ?
<< <i>
<< <i>
Above e-bay purchases
Below, The 5 hour drive at 7 am to an old mans collection. Old man my arse.
Ok Gary. If you are as upstanding as you say. Start by explaining the similarities of the old mans collection and the boxes you bought of e-bay? Those two boxes are too similar to each other unless Noah brought them over two by two. >>
Yes, beat me too it duece! The old friend, the nice old man, and Gary buying those same empty boxes that look like they ARE the "nice old mans" unreal .....
ISO 1978 Topps Baseball in NM-MT High Grade Raw 3, 100, 103, 302, 347, 376, 416, 466, 481, 487, 509, 534, 540, 554, 579, 580, 622, 642, 673, 724__________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________ISO 1978 O-Pee-Chee in NM-MT High Grade Raw12, 21, 29, 38, 49, 65, 69, 73, 74, 81, 95, 100, 104, 110, 115, 122, 132, 133, 135, 140, 142, 151, 153, 155, 160, 161, 167, 168, 172, 179, 181, 196, 200, 204, 210, 224, 231, 240
<< <i>Well, I think the best way to deal with this is for those who still have unopened packs, please send them to Steve Hart for inspection, if he is willing to do so.
Right now, I will hold an opinion. Let's see how it pans out. >>
isnt that a minute sampling of the overall picture? naturally every pack wasnt searched i am sure.
anyway, 16 different people from ebay saying he searches packs is pretty compelling in and of itself. now accompanied with this individual buying empty BOXES and packs for a collage. were the mint commons for the collage also???? story does not add up.
edited to add: these responses are going up so fast, arthur beat me to the questions i inquired about before i could post them.
Cough.....BULL SHIP..............cough..............
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Brett Favre Master Set
Favre Ticket Stubs
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Football HOF Player/etc. Auto Set
Football HOF Rc's
<< <i>We are all ears, start explaining.
Explain the wrappers.
Explain the empty boxes.
Explain the " charity " >>
78 oc vending
Yeah, and I need to hear the reason for this one while your at it. Curious timing for the purchase eh Gary?
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First of all, if you read my initial post, you'll see I never said "Gary did this..." or "80sJunkie did that...." Not one thing I said was an accusation.
What I did was simply share what I thought was compelling information that I feel is suspicious. If you can prove your innocence it would make me happy because I can go to sleep knowing that myself and countless other board members have not been ripped off.
How would you react if you were presented with suspicious information about somebody you bought something from? The reason I did this in a public forum is because I don't want anybody else to send you money without knowing the facts. Can you blame me?
If it turns out that you have not done anything wrong, then I have no problem being the bad guy.
Lee
Thanks,
David (LD_Ferg)
1985 Topps Football (starting in psa 8) - #9 - started 05/21/06
Collecting 1970s Topps baseball wax, rack and cello packs, as well as PCGS graded Half Cents, Large Cents, Two Cent pieces and Three Cent Silver pieces.
I can say I have enjoyed watching the rips. I was suprised at the of the lack of quality in them which kept me out as I can't remember the Quality control being THAT poor throughout in those years.
I found this statement today to be interesting and have no idea what it means:
"I am a outstanding guy and do buisness in a different type of way."
Well, that gives me "confidence".
<wavin> hi guys!
Steve
1984 Topps Football
1984 Topps Football Wrappers
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<< <i>If it turns out that you have not done anything wrong, then I have no problem being the bad guy. >>
Based upon the circumstances and evidence, no one would accuse you of being the bad guy
Was Gary in charge of the shipping?
Water damage or something?
Steve should have caught that, don't ya think?
<< <i>I would like to know about the 84 FB case break you are trying to put together. And then I senn your recent purchases on ebay:
1984 Topps Football
1984 Topps Football Wrappers >>
ouch
Ripken in the Minors * Ripken in the Minors Facebook Page
A few things...
1). I've participated in nearly every one of Gary's rips --- both the full 80s baseball & late70/early80s baseball & the current football rip. Overall, I have received VERY little in terms of star quality or condition quality.
...however...
2) I did not open my 77 baseball pack and sent it into PSA right away. As luck would have it ---- it literally popped TODAY. Here is the line from PSA:
1 12537806 1977 TOPPS BASEBALL WAX PACK N/A 8
... so --- the '77 pack was not resealed by Gary.
I really don't know where I'm at with all of this. I'm obviously naive and very willing to take people at face value. I feel as though Gary has opened up to us as a fellow collector and given a lot of his time to this board.
I am very interested in what he has to say and am willing to give him the benefit of the doubt ... but do agree that the evidence is scary.
All told, I've sent Gary over $300 for various rips.
-Tom
------- 1960 Topps Baseball PSA 8+
------- 1985 Topps Hockey PSA 9+
<< <i>I would like to know about the 84 FB case break you are trying to put together. And then I senn your recent purchases on ebay:
1984 Topps Football
1984 Topps Football Wrappers >>
a simple "i am making a collage" doesnt hold too much water either. i would think that you naturally would stay away from anything which could be construed as a conflict of interest, i.e. handling peoples $ for wax rips and making a collage of the same items at the same time. if even remotely true, its a horrible judgement.
Edited: Thursday March 01, 2007
This reads like a bad grifter novel. I did not participate in any rips, but I feel badly for the guys /gals who did. Does anyone here have appropriate qualifications and know how to investigate this on sound legal grounds - providing there are any?
If it walks like a duck and quacks like a duck.................
I spend a lot of time on these boards and do a lot of business here - as do many of you. I have made many friends here, also. This appears to spit into all of our faces.
This sucks.
<< <i>WHY ARE YOU EDITING YOUR POSTS, MRG???
Edited: Thursday March 01, 2007 >>
so instead of reading this thread and responding (like he claimed he was doing), he is edited posts instead? yea, that looks good.
<<1.) You've explained the wrappers (you're making a collage) but what about the empty boxes and large lots of commons? Is it a giant coincidence that the lots all pertained to upcoming or ongoing rips?
I am a 80s junkie I collect and buy lots of 80's stuff I dont see whee more then 1 or two of those involved anything with the last rips. I have been open and honest since ive been here even gave out my ebay id for sales and explained the neg feedback thousand s of time but i guess in any buisness your judged by the angry customers and not the thousands of happy ones>>
<<2.) Why would you make up a story regarding the '86 Fleer BK box and others when they were clearly purchased empty off ebay? >>Those were not the empty boxes I purchased shall i lay out all the packs and photo them to. I do buy over $100,000 of unopened wax a last year alone. I liked sharing the finds with you guys. No they were not the empty boxes i bought off ebay but yes I do have a empty box collection or may buy a collection with loose packs and need a box to go with them . hence the 74 packs i recently sold on ebay. I have over 100 74 packs and no boxes I pick up an empty box on ebay and put them together and turn them thats buisness. infact the 74 packs i have been buying from steve.
<<3.) Why were you so hesitant to allow Steve to do the shipping?>>That wasnt hesitant I am a maticulous person I had eveything ready and planned. all i said was it seemed like more work on other ripsi go to paypal copy the address input it on stamps dot com and print a label takes me about 1 hour to get everything boxed and labeled. took me 2 hours to go through eacj paypal put the address in another document for steve and make sure everything was right. No offense i felt like I collected veryones money if i shiped it i knew you were going tio get it and if i screwed up it was on me. i felt more stress to make sure i gave steve all the right information and got each persons order right.
<<4.) If you saw a seller on ebay selling an unopened box with your feedback would you purchase it yourself?>>Again I would not judge on negatives alone i have ppurchased before from neg people. Yes you must be carefull but weve had plenty off topics on people who hold you hostage with neg feedback. I have never played that plus alot of the negs were from newbies who cried foul first or expected the money card in every box.
I cant answer everything with a snap of the finger like i said what on ebay is ebay. Everything I have done on this board is on the up and up I am not worried. I am sorry if inlight of all of this some of you feel different but cant change ones opinion especially since it seems so many of you have already formed one. I especially dont want anyone thinking ill of bbce steve has be come a great source of lots of unopened material for my personel collection as well.
What ever opinion you form of all this I am here and will try to answer any and all questions truthfully. I could care less if i head another rip they have been fun I have no problem just participating. Trust me they have been a lot of work.
Im still trying to filter through this thread but if you have a personal question about something and not more bashuing pm me I will try to get to everyone of them. Because I want this all cleared up
Gary shipped the 2-lots directly to me in the UK. (This cost me $14 and the postage on the Global Priority shipping box was $15.75.) I have opened the entire 2-lots, and other than the '89 score, I have no other major/listed stars other than the Payton and Ham I scanned. And by coincidence, the '76 box was the only box professionally graded. I initially was apprehensive about joining the football break, but as I monitored the thread, it seemed legit. I chalked my lack of stars from the other years packs as typical Topps '70s and '80s collation. I sent my 2 boxes from the '78 baseball rip, that Steve Hart shipped, to my home in Atlanta, where my in-laws (knock wood) will collect from Fed-Ex.
If anyone has a need to witch hunt me, my ebay handle is TGF_sports, and my collections are listed in the PSA registry as TGF_Collection.
Cheers,
MichaelG
TGF Collection
TGF Sports
regarding the 77 pack, i pulled a largent and posted the pic. my 76 pack was damaged (3 torn corners and gum protruding) so i opened it. i tossed the 85 pack. nothing from the rest. i think this goes deeper than the latest fb bust.
Thanks,
David (LD_Ferg)
1985 Topps Football (starting in psa 8) - #9 - started 05/21/06
<< <i>Yes,
Gary shipped the 2-lots directly to me in the UK. (This cost me $14 and the postage on the Global Priority shipping box was $15.75.) I have opened the entire 2-lots, and other than the '89 score, I have no other major/listed stars other than the Payton and Ham I scanned. And by coincidence, the '76 box was the only box professionally graded. I initially was apprehensive about joining the football break, but as I monitored the thread, it seemed legit. I chalked my lack of stars from the other years packs as typical Topps '70s and '80s collation. I sent my 2 boxes from the '78 baseball rip, that Steve Hart shipped, to my home in Atlanta, where my in-laws (knock wood) will collect from Fed-Ex.
If anyone has a need to witch hunt me, my ebay handle is TGF_sports, and my collections are listed in the PSA registry as TGF_Collection.
Cheers,
MichaelG >>
What happened to your bloody accent?
In some ways, I am relieved. I knew everyone had spoken very highly of Steve Hart, yet I received 12 packs of cards supposedly from Steve, 2 of them were clearly water damaged and one was musty, and I was thinking to myself that I would never risk buying unopened from anyone again. I posted in the football rip thread that the last card in my 1976 pack was exposed somewhat (i.e. the entire card was not covered by the wrapper), and no one said a word, so I just figured I'd shut up. I almost felt guilty posting that comment. In 12 packs, I would doubt that one card was a PSA 9 quality. At least 2 dozen would be PSA 1's.
Unbelievable. Glad I'm "only" out $155. The worst part was I was telling my dad all about the packs and now I got to tell him that I'm a friggin moron because I was ripped off.
my mind was made up 2 weeks ago when i read your ebay feedback, sorry gary but 97% stinks and comments regarding postage and reseals will follow you.
Steve
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Above e-bay purchases
Below, The 5 hour drive at 7 am to an old mans collection. Old man my arse.
I'm not a card guy, but look at the damage to the upper right, and upper left corners of the Basketball case, in both photos. Same, same, looks like to me.
Member SSOF
<< <i>This is a stinking nightmare. If you'll notice, there was not one post from me on the 70s/80s football rip thread. That's because my stuff was so horrible, I was ashamed to post it. One of the packs (I already forget the year, but it wasn't the musty 1978's) was warped from water damage worse than the 1985's. No one else complained about it (like everyone did with the 85's), so I didn't say anything. I was shocked when I (1) saw his feedback when I looked at the Bobby Jenks card he was selling, and (2) everyone decided to let him keep the new 1985 box from BBCE.
In some ways, I am relieved. I knew everyone had spoken very highly of Steve Hart, yet I received 12 packs of cards supposedly from Steve, 2 of them were clearly water damaged and one was musty, and I was thinking to myself that I would never risk buying unopened from anyone again. I posted in the football rip thread that the last card in my 1976 pack was exposed somewhat (i.e. the entire card was not covered by the wrapper), and no one said a word, so I just figured I'd shut up. I almost felt guilty posting that comment. In 12 packs, I would doubt that one card was a PSA 9 quality. At least 2 dozen would be PSA 1's.
Unbelievable. Glad I'm "only" out $155. The worst part was I was telling my dad all about the packs and now I got to tell him that I'm a friggin moron because I was ripped off. >>
this is exactly why open lines of communication between members is so imperative.
You continue to mention ebay this, ebay that, and how you will answer all questions......
WELL....START answering. As of now you have dodged each and every question presented to you, whether ebay related or otherwise.
And for the record, I dont think anyone here has a shred of ill will or feelings towards Steve or BBCE.
Steve has done enough over the years to warrant the utmost respect from collectors.
Why would you even mention BBCE when its YOU in question, not Steve or BBCE ?
-- Yogi Berra
"like i said what on ebay is ebay. Everything I have done on this board is on the up and up"
Hmmmmm
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