<< <i>dabighurt, the way it should happen: steve offers a case, someone on the board decides to be the 'gatekeeper' of the money until everyone pays and then pay steve. steve mails it out.
an option would be: pay steve and when everyone has paid, let him send it out. we are putting a lot of faith in the 'gatekeeper' and i was volunteering to be that on the 80s topps baseball case bust. i have no problem having everyone mail the funds to steve rather than me, i just like pulling from a sealed case. zef may have more info since he was involved and onsite on the 75s. >>
No offense to those who got "taken," but isn't it kind of stupid to let someone as shady as this guy to be the "gatekeeper" when there is someone as honest as Steve Hart that you could go with? I mean, philosophically, isn't a middle man inherently problematic anyways?
------------------------- EMAIL ME wanted unopened 70s 80s wax material cases prefered also psa 78 and 83 o pee chee
Edited: Monday February 26, 2007 at 3:02 PM by 80sJunkie
So basically my kid won't be able to go to college, but at least I'll have a set where the three most expensive cards are of a player I despise ~ CDsNuts
Joined: Apr 2006 Wednesday February 28, 2007 8:34 PM
Isnt it time for a football case break. How about a 1984 topps football case break? >>
Gee. I wonder why people are suspicious??? >>
POST. OF. THE. THREAD.
So basically my kid won't be able to go to college, but at least I'll have a set where the three most expensive cards are of a player I despise ~ CDsNuts
<< <i>This thread will go away first thing in the morning - I just emailed it to myself. >>
That didn't do squat - just a link. Does anyone have a copy? >>
Why would this thread go *poof* ?
Serious allegations with significant amounts of evidence and little retort.
Think the board members should be allowed and deserve to see this played out and would HOPE the mods think the same.
So basically my kid won't be able to go to college, but at least I'll have a set where the three most expensive cards are of a player I despise ~ CDsNuts
One of the sadder points to the whole story is that those of us that participated in the rips may end up sending just as much trying to uncover the truth as we spent on the rips.
This whole episode is just sickening. Did this guy truly think he was just going to rip people off with one "bust' after another?
Collecting 1970s Topps baseball wax, rack and cello packs, as well as PCGS graded Half Cents, Large Cents, Two Cent pieces and Three Cent Silver pieces.
Thanks, stown. I'm not the first one to point out this "coincidence" with the 84 FB -- just had to reiterate. >>
Yeah but some of us slow pokes need it to be short, sweet, and to the point
So basically my kid won't be able to go to college, but at least I'll have a set where the three most expensive cards are of a player I despise ~ CDsNuts
<< <i>I wonder if Steve Hart still has the pictures of the boxes that he sent out to 80's.
Here is the one that Gary posted.
>>
Where's the box for the yellow packs (top left)?
So basically my kid won't be able to go to college, but at least I'll have a set where the three most expensive cards are of a player I despise ~ CDsNuts
Collecting 1970s Topps baseball wax, rack and cello packs, as well as PCGS graded Half Cents, Large Cents, Two Cent pieces and Three Cent Silver pieces.
If I am not mistaken doesnt Steve shrink wrap his boxes ? It doesnt prove much because he could have taken the shrink wrap off before the pic was taken.
<< <i>If I am not mistaken doesnt Steve shrink wrap his boxes ? It doesnt prove much because he could have taken the shrink wrap off before the pic was taken. >>
Not all of them. I have received some non shrink wrapped
One thing I think is particularly odd and have a hard time understanding is why he would pay for a flight from Cali to Chicago and back just to take pictures of the '75 mini case break. Wasn't he even talking about trying to get this press to show up for it? I'm just not getting it.
who organized the first rip last summer with the 1980's baseball and 1980's football?
i lost my job in october or i would have jumped into all of these. i guess there was a small blessing to be out of work. these rips were being posted more and more frequently.
i am naive sometimes and want to give everyone a break and believe they have good intentions. i have bought a lot of cards on this board from fellow members without a hitch. if he refuses to defend himself his silence seems to open the door for a lot of trouble.
we all have had dealings with ebay scumbags, but this board seemed to be a place where honesty was the rule. we may get angry with fellow members, but there was no dishonesty. IF and i say IF these allegations are true a he has ruined some of the trust on this board. i commend whoever it was that looked into this and did the legwork. you saved a lot of people more money in the future.
as other have mentioned one bad apple won't ruin it for everyone, but how can someone look at the mirror knowing what kind of thief they are. like all thieves greed and/or stupidity are usually their downfall.
Here is the response I received from my Paypal claim:
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The most important aspect of this dialogue this evening and the spirit of Lee's inquiry is to insure that the process cease - i.e. any future rips by Gary - until this is sufficiently cleared up.
No one should pass final judgement on this incident until Gary is given the opportunity to fairly and justly defend his position.
In under four hours we have flown past the total posts for 70s/80s Football Wax rip official Thread (RIPPING IN PROGRESS!!!) Next on the radar... The official Name a Player thread... And then could is be.... Mail Call - If You're Proud - Jump In with a Scan! ?
<< <i>The most important aspect of this dialogue this evening and the spirit of Lee's inquiry is to insure that the process cease - i.e. any future rips by Gary - until this is sufficiently cleared up.
No one should pass final judgement on this incident until Gary is given the opportunity to fairly and justly defend his position.
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<< <i>PS you bought empty wrappers to make a bar, knowing full well you'd get these same wrappers for free from the rips?
Wow, Thats a good point ! >>
certainly is a good point.
<< <i>dabighurt,
the way it should happen: steve offers a case, someone on the board decides to be the 'gatekeeper' of the money until everyone pays and then pay steve. steve mails it out.
an option would be: pay steve and when everyone has paid, let him send it out. we are putting a lot of faith in the 'gatekeeper' and i was volunteering to be that on the 80s topps baseball case bust. i have no problem having everyone mail the funds to steve rather than me, i just like pulling from a sealed case. zef may have more info since he was involved and onsite on the 75s. >>
No offense to those who got "taken," but isn't it kind of stupid to let someone as shady as this guy to be the "gatekeeper" when there is someone as honest as Steve Hart that you could go with? I mean, philosophically, isn't a middle man inherently problematic anyways?
80sJunkie
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wanted unopened 70s 80s wax material cases prefered
also psa 78 and 83 o pee chee
Edited: Monday February 26, 2007 at 10:29 AM by 80sJunkie
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Monday February 26, 2007 10:07 AM
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wanted unopened 70s 80s wax material cases prefered
also psa 78 and 83 o pee chee
Edited: Monday February 26, 2007 at 3:02 PM by 80sJunkie
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<< <i>80sJunkie
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Joined: Apr 2006
Wednesday February 28, 2007 8:34 PM
Isnt it time for a football case break. How about a 1984 topps football case break? >>
Gee. I wonder why people are suspicious???
<< <i>Wrappers plus raw cards plus some legit packs leads to:
<< <i>80sJunkie
Collector
Joined: Apr 2006
Wednesday February 28, 2007 8:34 PM
Isnt it time for a football case break. How about a 1984 topps football case break? >>
Gee. I wonder why people are suspicious??? >>
POST. OF. THE. THREAD.
<< <i>This thread will go away first thing in the morning - I just emailed it to myself. >>
That didn't do squat - just a link. Does anyone have a copy?
<< <i>This thread will go away first thing in the morning - I just emailed it to myself. >>
I think ya gotta copy and paste it to micrword to insure it's saved.
If you email it to yourself - it's equivalent to a LIVE link - I believe - so it will be gone in the morning.
I believe I'm correct on this?
mike
<< <i>
<< <i>This thread will go away first thing in the morning - I just emailed it to myself. >>
That didn't do squat - just a link. Does anyone have a copy? >>
Why would this thread go *poof* ?
Serious allegations with significant amounts of evidence and little retort.
Think the board members should be allowed and deserve to see this played out and would HOPE the mods think the same.
<< <i>POST. OF. THE. THREAD.
>>
Thanks, stown. I'm not the first one to point out this "coincidence"
with the 84 FB -- just had to reiterate.
Charles
Here is the one that Gary posted.
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Collecting 1970s Topps baseball wax, rack and cello packs, as well as PCGS graded Half Cents, Large Cents, Two Cent pieces and Three Cent Silver pieces.
<< <i>
<< <i>This thread will go away first thing in the morning - I just emailed it to myself. >>
I think ya gotta copy and paste it to micrword to insure it's saved.
If you email it to yourself - it's equivalent to a LIVE link - I believe - so it will be gone in the morning.
I believe I'm correct on this?
mike >>
there is no way this thread will be deleted..this has NOTHING TO DO WITH PSA
<< <i>
<< <i>POST. OF. THE. THREAD.
>>
Thanks, stown. I'm not the first one to point out this "coincidence"
with the 84 FB -- just had to reiterate.
Yeah but some of us slow pokes need it to be short, sweet, and to the point
I encourage others to do the same.
<< <i>
<< <i>
<< <i>This thread will go away first thing in the morning - I just emailed it to myself. >>
That didn't do squat - just a link. Does anyone have a copy? >>
Why would this thread go *poof* ?
Serious allegations with significant amounts of evidence and little retort.
Think the board members should be allowed and deserve to see this played out and would HOPE the mods think the same.
Ain't gonna happen - too many allegations, mob violence, baby seal clubbing, etc. Too hot for Collectors Universe.
Here is a picture of a box from the guy that Gary bought his 84 box from.
and again, the one Gary said Steve sent him...
Do the boxes from the same cases typically have the same type of markings?
edited to add: From the Auction desc that 80's won Box in photo is not the box you will receive, boxes are pulled randomly out of case.
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<< <i>I wonder if Steve Hart still has the pictures of the boxes that he sent out to 80's.
Here is the one that Gary posted.
Where's the box for the yellow packs (top left)?
If I was accused of something I didn't do, my plan of action wouldn't be to go to bed at 8pm without defending myself adequately. Just a thought.
Lee
Where's the box for the yellow packs (top left)?
Good point.
Collecting 1970s Topps baseball wax, rack and cello packs, as well as PCGS graded Half Cents, Large Cents, Two Cent pieces and Three Cent Silver pieces.
It doesnt prove much because he could have taken the shrink wrap off before the pic was taken.
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Favre Ticket Stubs
Favre TD Reciever Autos
Football HOF Player/etc. Auto Set
Football HOF Rc's
<< <i>Do the boxes from the same cases typically have the same type of markings? >>
every case Ive ever busted has.
<< <i>If I am not mistaken doesnt Steve shrink wrap his boxes ?
It doesnt prove much because he could have taken the shrink wrap off before the pic was taken. >>
Not all of them. I have received some non shrink wrapped
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<< <i>Didn't he say he was going to bed for the night? That was at like 8:00pm in California, or am I screwing up the time zones?
If I was accused of something I didn't do, my plan of action wouldn't be to go to bed at 8pm without defending myself adequately. Just a thought.
Lee >>
in every picture the dude looks like he hasnt slept in months..
Possibly to cut down on any more "attempt to defraud" charges.
1994 Pro Line Live
TheDallasCowboyBackfieldProject
<< <i>Mikey...In the thread on 75 Minis I believe 80s said he drove from Cali.. to Chicago and made purchases at several stops along the way. >>
Just like he "drove" down to San Diego to pickup his 86 Fleer basketball box...
<< <i>in every picture the dude looks like he hasnt slept in months.. >>
Because he's been busy working on his bar top.
i lost my job in october or i would have jumped into all of these. i guess there was a small blessing to be out of work. these rips were being posted more and more frequently.
i am naive sometimes and want to give everyone a break and believe they have good intentions. i have bought a lot of cards on this board from fellow members without a hitch. if he refuses to defend himself his silence seems to open the door for a lot of trouble.
we all have had dealings with ebay scumbags, but this board seemed to be a place where honesty was the rule. we may get angry with fellow members, but there was no dishonesty. IF and i say IF these allegations are true a he has ruined some of the trust on this board. i commend whoever it was that looked into this and did the legwork. you saved a lot of people more money in the future.
as other have mentioned one bad apple won't ruin it for everyone, but how can someone look at the mirror knowing what kind of thief they are. like all thieves greed and/or stupidity are usually their downfall.
Our investigation into your claim is complete. As stated in our User
Agreement, the claims process only applies to the shipment of goods. It
does not apply to complaints about the attributes or quality of goods
received. Therefore, we are unable to reverse this transaction or issue a
refund.
PayPal does not tolerate fraud or illegal activities. Your complaint has
been noted in the record of the PayPal user you reported. If we find this
user has violated our policies, we will investigate and take appropriate
action. If this occurs, you may be contacted in the future about the status
of this complaint.
No one should pass final judgement on this incident until Gary is given the opportunity to fairly and justly defend his position.
Having said that...
Gary - why all the deletions?
mike
Next on the radar... The official Name a Player thread...
And then could is be.... Mail Call - If You're Proud - Jump In with a Scan! ?
<< <i>who organized the first rip last summer with the 1980's baseball and 1980's football? >>
I set up the original 1980-1989 Topps baseball rip.
Lee
IS AS GUILTY AS THIS GUY:
<< <i>Al Cowlings >>
<< <i>The most important aspect of this dialogue this evening and the spirit of Lee's inquiry is to insure that the process cease - i.e. any future rips by Gary - until this is sufficiently cleared up.
No one should pass final judgement on this incident until Gary is given the opportunity to fairly and justly defend his position.
Having said that...
Gary - why all the deletions?
mike >>
Mike, As always... VERY professional.
DAMN, don't you ever get pi$$ed off.
Mary