he should know that these boards would call him out if there was an inkling of this type of activity. he posted earlier today and several have pm'd him. silence is not good in this instance.
Thanks,
David (LD_Ferg)
1985 Topps Football (starting in psa 8) - #9 - started 05/21/06
Sellers of unopened product who purchase wrappers, empty boxes and lots of semi-stars and commons from the years of the packs they are simultanneously selling are bound to raise many red flags. It certainly doesn't look good.
Collecting 1970s Topps baseball wax, rack and cello packs, as well as PCGS graded Half Cents, Large Cents, Two Cent pieces and Three Cent Silver pieces.
80's Junkie was the funds collector, the acquirer , and the shipper of the 80's football wax bust, as well as at least one complete 80's baseball bust. Thank god you guys over ruled the 75 baseball handling and let Steve ship directly. I don't know how long time is allowed to dispute paypal transactions, but I'm very tempted to start a dispute on both of the above mentioned rips if it is still allowed. If all the participants did, he'd have one heck of a negative balance.
He averages 6.5 posts a day and now dead silence? I know I am a 12 post total A-Ball Rookie compared to some of you guys, so that's why I'm asking about opening disputes.
260081243812 Jan-28-07 Feb-02-07 20:00:00 US $43.50 (10) 1978-79 Topps Basketball Wax Packs fmemech (*) charky21 220076525449 Jan-28-07 Feb-04-07 08:14:45 US $9.06 1984 Donruss Wax Box (opended) 260 cards & 17 wrappers! fmemech (*) insidepit 330082925816 Jan-30-07 Feb-06-07 10:19:30 US $2.25 1984 TOPPS FOOTBALL WAX WRAPPER MINT LOT OF 36 *977 fmemech (*) newenglandsportscards 320079169926 Feb-04-07 Feb-08-07 12:56:28 US $4.00 5-1976 Topps football wrappers Purchased on: Feb-08-07 12:56:28 See All Buyers johnp721 130076553087 Feb-04-07 Feb-11-07 11:35:51 US $6.19 1976 Topps Baseball Wrapper lot of (10) NM+ fmemech (*) chet126 300081287931 Feb-13-07 Feb-13-07 19:10:01 US $350.00 1978-TOPPS FOOTBALL WAX BOX W/36 UNOPENED PACKS fmemech (*) cocolao-1 270089215241 Feb-11-07 Feb-18-07 19:09:50 US $10.50 1986-87 Fleer Basketball Wax Pack DISPLAY BOX fmemech (*) sciograds 320082003468 Feb-12-07 Feb-19-07 07:46:34 US $5.59 5-1976 Topps football nr mt to mt wrappers fmemech (*) johnp721 250084762157 Feb-14-07 Feb-19-07 18:05:44 US $2.50 (10) 1979-80 Topps Basketball Wax Pack Wrapper Lot fmemech (*) doctork7 190083231452 Feb-14-07 Feb-21-07 15:51:02 US $21.56 1974 Topps Baseball Empty Wax Pack Display Box fmemech (*) collectors-corner 130081248365 Feb-17-07 Feb-24-07 15:09:22 US $4.75 1976 Topps Football Wrapper lot of (20) NM+ fmemech (*) chet126 130081248697 Feb-17-07 Feb-24-07 15:11:08 US $1.99 1977 Topps Football Wrapper lot of (8) NM+ fmemech (*) chet126 150093270758 Feb-17-07 Feb-24-07 18:40:40 US $15.50 1975 TOPPS BASEBALL MINI WRAPPERS - LOT OF 25+ VG NR fmemech (*) neilgee15 250087211498 Feb-21-07 Feb-26-07 19:13:31 US $4.00 (10) 1980 Topps Baseball Wax PAck Wrapper Lot fmemech (*) doctork7 250087211626 Feb-21-07 Feb-26-07 19:14:10 US $2.50 (10) 1979-80 Topps Basketball Wax Pack Wrapper Lot fmemech (*) doctork7 250087211712 Feb-21-07 Feb-26-07 19:14:38 US $2.50 (10) 1978-79 Topps Basketball Wax Pack Wrapper Lot fmemech (*) doctork7
So basically my kid won't be able to go to college, but at least I'll have a set where the three most expensive cards are of a player I despise ~ CDsNuts
i never got involved in any of these breaks so i will give an outside opinion here.
first of all a story has to make sense. this one does not.
1- horrible feedback 2-buys empty boxes and wrappers 3-got the "good" cards naturally 4- wont answer allegations 5-ids/names match up 6-buying specific wrappers which relate to future box case rips 7- buying mint commons of same 8-caught lying the proponderance of the evidence so far says volumes in my mind. this is a horrible thing to do to anyone let alone people you befriended. although i am sure steve hart /bbce is a very busy person, he is the most secure way of doing your group rips in case anyone decides to do it in the future. i dont rip, so that was just a suggestion. this just stinks. i am sorry to hear this happen to you guys.
I think most wanted the cards to ship directly from Baseball Card Exchange, but this user was ready to do the legwork, so most wouldn't question b/c who really wants to do that.
I hope it works out for you guys in the end.
...and to think I was considering the 84 Topps FF as my 1st board rip
I'm angry as all hell right now. This wasn't a case of a nice guy who got tempted to do something wrong because of the position he was in. This is a case of someone coming in and deliberately and maliciously creating a "profile" of an individual in order to scam, steal and fraud people out of money. Many steps were taken, great efforts were made and premeditated illegal actions were taken on his part.
Anybody have any of the pictures taken from the '75 Mini break of him at BBCE?
yeah if he's guilty, he's a looney bird.. he's posted pictures of himself and his family & kids, etc, and shares his legit user information, but now wont answer?..
Give me some time, I can get some more but I just wanted a # that works. I am not going to jump into his personal information, until I have 100% proof and no refund. Right now I have 98.45%
This of course turned out to be a waste of money for him because the cards were shipped direct >>
I am so thankful that the 78's shipped from BBCE. If you read the 78 thread Gary was trying very hard to be the shipper of those.
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There is another thread where he posted a pic of himself at an auto signing. I will see if I can find it.
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Matt That just might be the fianl nail! I can't believe anybody that just bought a case fresh box of 78's would buy a bunch of junk from 4SC's who is probably PSA's top[ submitter so you know you are getting just that junk!
Sorry guys but I need to vent for a minute. I just got a not so nice little pm from someone I wont name. Accusing me of putting these pack rips and case rips together to make a nice profit. Im floored. I want you guys to know I am in this as a hobbyist just like the rest of you guys. Luckily i am afforded the luxury of time and patience to put these rips together. They are alot of work and i spend about 20-30 hours total per rip with all the emails and packaging proccesing and shipping. I can guarantee you I have not made a dollar on a single rip and i dont want to. This is fun for all of us and I want you guys to know I like doing this and dont want anyone thinking I'm doing this for profit. Believe me I dont need to make a buck this way. Im thankful god has granted me a healthy and luxurious lifestyle. Plus I consider you all friends and my first rule to a fault is never try to make a buck off of friends. The only one making out here is bbcexchange with the thousands of dollars we are spending with him.
For those who might think other wise here is a exact breakdown for this case rip so you can see I am not making anymoney off of this.
Case $9000 divide by 64 lots of 9 140.62 per lot
1 lot 140.62packs+4.68paypalfees+4.35shipping=149.65
just looked into the feedback and there are no less than 16 instances whereas buyers claimed that boxes/packs were either resealed or tampered with. thats just ugly.
His feedback was mentioned at least 3 weeks ago and no one cared.
I was astounded that he willingly gave us his ebay handle. At least 3 people (myself) included called him on the feedback and he of course bullied his way with what i felt was a lame answer. I then just kept what i felt to myself.
Sorry guys but I need to vent for a minute. I just got a not so nice little pm from someone I wont name. Accusing me of putting these pack rips and case rips together to make a nice profit. Im floored. I want you guys to know I am in this as a hobbyist just like the rest of you guys. Luckily i am afforded the luxury of time and patience to put these rips together. They are alot of work and i spend about 20-30 hours total per rip with all the emails and packaging proccesing and shipping. I can guarantee you I have not made a dollar on a single rip and i dont want to. This is fun for all of us and I want you guys to know I like doing this and dont want anyone thinking I'm doing this for profit. Believe me I dont need to make a buck this way. Im thankful god has granted me a healthy and luxurious lifestyle. Plus I consider you all friends and my first rule to a fault is never try to make a buck off of friends. The only one making out here is bbcexchange with the thousands of dollars we are spending with him.
For those who might think other wise here is a exact breakdown for this case rip so you can see I am not making anymoney off of this.
Case $9000 divide by 64 lots of 9 140.62 per lot
1 lot 140.62packs+4.68paypalfees+4.35shipping=149.65
What bugs me is this guy's only been here a year and everyone trusted him with Thousands of hard earned dollars. Everyone thats anyone tells everyone to buy direct from Steve, no middle men. If a box comes up on fleabay all the advice is RUN!!! and pay alittle more from Steve. Why was this so okay with everyone? Specially looking at his feedback. If he had these boxes on fleabay not one collector woulda bought from him after 10 seconds of looking at his feedback. Not second guessing anyone but I thought everyone knew him and he was a long time collector that everyone trusted. I'm sorry, I was taken too.
W.C.Fields "I spent 50% of my money on alcohol, women, and gambling. The other half I wasted.
Steve, I honestly didn't see the mention of his feedback or I would've been right there with you. Nice work on your part and a very large THANK YOU to everyone involved in bringing all of this to light. I was strongly considering the '84 FB break and I don't exactly have $300+ to give to some scumbag.
The worst part is that I actually sent this douche a PM after he made the post about someone contacting him about [profiting off the rips just to say "Don't sweat it, everyone here appreciates what you're doing .... blah, blah, blah." He got us all good.
How sick does this make me feel? I actually planned to swing by Target on my way home today and pick up some '07 Topps to break. I don't even collect baseball but just wanted to crack some wax. I no longer feel like doing it.
<< <i>I'm angry as all hell right now. This wasn't a case of a nice guy who got tempted to do something wrong because of the position he was in. This is a case of someone coming in and deliberately and maliciously creating a "profile" of an individual in order to scam, steal and fraud people out of money. Many steps were taken, great efforts were made and premeditated illegal actions were taken on his part.
Anybody have any of the pictures taken from the '75 Mini break of him at BBCE?
<< <i>just went through the 78 rip. It is gone. >>
You mean he removed it? So he's actually on the boards right now trying to back track and edit posts. Maybe we should copy/paste stuff in case we need it down the line with the authorities.
yeah if he's guilty, he's a looney bird.. he's posted pictures of himself and his family & kids, etc, and shares his legit user information, but now wont answer?..
no -ish, i find this hard to believe.
what & how many case busts has he been in charge of??
i think we should wait to judge until he says his side of the story. if he was innocent, we have really kicked him around on ths thread.
<< <i>What bugs me is this guy's only been here a year and everyone trusted him with Thousands of hard earned dollars. Everyone thats anyone tells everyone to buy direct from Steve, no middle men. If a box comes up on fleabay all the advice is RUN!!! and pay alittle more from Steve. Why was this so okay with everyone? Specially looking at his feedback. If he had these boxes on fleabay not one collector woulda bought from him after 10 seconds of looking at his feedback. Not second guessing anyone but I thought everyone knew him and he was a long time collector that everyone trusted. I'm sorry, I was taken too. >>
I was one who was duped apparantly. I did not participate in any of the breaks shipped by him thank goodness. I am just sick everybody who might have been taken by him
weren't there a couple of boxes that were replaced by Steve Hart because they sucked so bad? Seems like he should know about this "great" person he has been dealing with, cut off any future business to him, and recoup the fees for the extra money Steve laid out on the replacement boxes.
I'm sure Steve won't be pleased any of this either, because through Gary he was the provider of the unopened product in question. I also thought it was very strange that he was against the idea of the 78 packs being shipped directly from bbce but I'm very glad they were for our sake! This entire situation is very disturbing indeed.
Collecting 1970s Topps baseball wax, rack and cello packs, as well as PCGS graded Half Cents, Large Cents, Two Cent pieces and Three Cent Silver pieces.
hopefully you guys paid with credit cards thru paypal. i really hate to see this sort of thing happen. it certainly looks planned out. winpitcher had his doubts early but no one seemed to notice (including myself) i never paid too much attention since i didnt partake in the rips. i figure nobody paid attention or didnt know about his feedback (link between his id here and his ebay id) or naturally they wouldnt send him $. i believe that his high number of posts misled people into trusting him. this whole thing is unfortunate.
Just so it doesn't seem like I'm taking undeserved credit for anything, most of the facts were uncovered by other board members, and I just followed up a little.
I had no part in the rips, but you guys need to be careful about what you are saying at this point for a couple of reasons:
If he did rip you guys off, posting all the evidence of it, gives him time to come up with a story or cover up other evidence that may be out there,
Also if he did not do this and he does have a business reputation to protect, you need to be careful of slander and defamation, last thing you want is to be served with a lawsuit from this guy.
As for the guy talking about getting phone numbers and other personal information from a Federal source. It is highly illegal to do so, I would keep it to myself. He could contact the AG on privacy issues and they can easily trace what records were run and by whom, based on the posting dates and times, thenyu find yourself and your source in a real bad spot.
If you believe you have been defrauded, you need to contact an attorney, paypaland maybe the local police in his area (likely will tell you it is a civil issue).
You know, I sure hope that this isn't true. The guy seemed to really want to help everyone out and seemed genuine. But, the evidence is certainly stacked.
I was a bit suspicious with this football break because there was hardly a star in the entire run. But, I'm going to hold off and hope that Gary comes up with some very good answers.
* '72 BASEBALL #15 100% * C. PASCUAL BASIC #3 * T. PEREZ BASIC #4 100% * L. TIANT BASIC #1 * DRYSDALE BASIC #4 100% * MAGIC MASTER #4/BASIC #3 * PALMEIRO MASTER/BASIC #1 * '65 DISNEYLAND #2 * '78 ELVIS PRESLEY #6 * '78 THREE'S COMPANY #1
First off, I have not participated in any of the rips, but weren't a lot of folks sending their packs to PSA to be graded. If he is tampering, won't some of these get caught. If he knew that, then why would he mess with them? Believe me I am not saying he is innocent, but I would think he would be taking a HUGE risk.
Sorry guys but I need to vent for a minute. I just got a not so nice little pm from someone I wont name. Accusing me of putting these pack rips and case rips together to make a nice profit. Im floored. I want you guys to know I am in this as a hobbyist just like the rest of you guys. Luckily i am afforded the luxury of time and patience to put these rips together. They are alot of work and i spend about 20-30 hours total per rip with all the emails and packaging proccesing and shipping. I can guarantee you I have not made a dollar on a single rip and i dont want to. This is fun for all of us and I want you guys to know I like doing this and dont want anyone thinking I'm doing this for profit. Believe me I dont need to make a buck this way. Im thankful god has granted me a healthy and luxurious lifestyle. Plus I consider you all friends and my first rule to a fault is never try to make a buck off of friends. The only one making out here is bbcexchange with the thousands of dollars we are spending with him.
For those who might think other wise here is a exact breakdown for this case rip so you can see I am not making anymoney off of this.
Case $9000 divide by 64 lots of 9 140.62 per lot
1 lot 140.62packs+4.68paypalfees+4.35shipping=149.65
I had a few questions for steve waiting to hear back.
Mrg I had already planned to set up a video camera and tape the enitre thing and post it up on you tube or something like that for everyone to view. But we will see trying to figure out if it will be more work for me if steve ships them or not. If he ships them for a decent price it saves me that work but then I have to go through and creat a list will all the addresses and lots for steve. Plus we probably wouldnt pictures of the break or video. I think one of us busting the case and getting pictures to go with it is part of the fun
waiting on 3 payments. Grote steves sending me the case it would have been a little more of a hassle plus I am going to video the break and spliting of the case and post it on you tube for us all to enjoy.
Then each time he was asked about direct shipping, he responded with a nothing else.
Thanks Steve I'll leave it up to the guys here. So heres what we got steve can still ship to everyone. I porbably wont have time to filter through and get all the addresses ,lots ,figure shipping $ to send to steve, and ect ready for steve till wednesday. Im out of town till wednesday and it will take a few ours to get all that info together or he can 2 day the case out today and I can split it video it whatever. . I dont really care anymore Im a little tired from all the rips this month you guys decide and i'll do the work either way
Wednesday February 21, 2007 11:20 AM
Ok pms were sent sorry about the first one I typed to fast and hit the wrong key typing my email addy.
A few people dont have pms turned on hers a list and you payment amount.
Please paypal you payments to iplaychoochoo2@sbcglobal.net VERY IMPORTANT!!!! be sure to include your forum screen name in payment notes so I know who you are to mark you paid.
Hers the list of people with no pm
jonnybro 2 lots 296.80
shasta2112 2 lots 296.80
danp306 1 box 587.95
So basically my kid won't be able to go to college, but at least I'll have a set where the three most expensive cards are of a player I despise ~ CDsNuts
Comments
Thanks,
David (LD_Ferg)
1985 Topps Football (starting in psa 8) - #9 - started 05/21/06
Steve
Collecting 1970s Topps baseball wax, rack and cello packs, as well as PCGS graded Half Cents, Large Cents, Two Cent pieces and Three Cent Silver pieces.
Dave
1957 Topps 99% 7.40 GPA
Hank Aaron Basic PSA 7-8(75%)
Thank god you guys over ruled the 75 baseball handling and let Steve ship directly.
I don't know how long time is allowed to dispute paypal transactions, but I'm very tempted to start a dispute on both of the above mentioned rips if it is still allowed. If all the participants did, he'd have one heck of a negative balance.
He averages 6.5 posts a day and now dead silence?
I know I am a 12 post total A-Ball Rookie compared to some of you guys, so that's why I'm asking about opening disputes.
220076525449 Jan-28-07 Feb-04-07 08:14:45 US $9.06 1984 Donruss Wax Box (opended) 260 cards & 17 wrappers! fmemech (*) insidepit
330082925816 Jan-30-07 Feb-06-07 10:19:30 US $2.25 1984 TOPPS FOOTBALL WAX WRAPPER MINT LOT OF 36 *977 fmemech (*) newenglandsportscards
320079169926 Feb-04-07 Feb-08-07 12:56:28 US $4.00 5-1976 Topps football wrappers Purchased on:
Feb-08-07 12:56:28
See All Buyers johnp721
130076553087 Feb-04-07 Feb-11-07 11:35:51 US $6.19 1976 Topps Baseball Wrapper lot of (10) NM+ fmemech (*) chet126
300081287931 Feb-13-07 Feb-13-07 19:10:01 US $350.00 1978-TOPPS FOOTBALL WAX BOX W/36 UNOPENED PACKS fmemech (*) cocolao-1
270089215241 Feb-11-07 Feb-18-07 19:09:50 US $10.50 1986-87 Fleer Basketball Wax Pack DISPLAY BOX fmemech (*) sciograds
320082003468 Feb-12-07 Feb-19-07 07:46:34 US $5.59 5-1976 Topps football nr mt to mt wrappers fmemech (*) johnp721
250084762157 Feb-14-07 Feb-19-07 18:05:44 US $2.50 (10) 1979-80 Topps Basketball Wax Pack Wrapper Lot fmemech (*) doctork7
190083231452 Feb-14-07 Feb-21-07 15:51:02 US $21.56 1974 Topps Baseball Empty Wax Pack Display Box fmemech (*) collectors-corner
130081248365 Feb-17-07 Feb-24-07 15:09:22 US $4.75 1976 Topps Football Wrapper lot of (20) NM+ fmemech (*) chet126
130081248697 Feb-17-07 Feb-24-07 15:11:08 US $1.99 1977 Topps Football Wrapper lot of (8) NM+ fmemech (*) chet126
150093270758 Feb-17-07 Feb-24-07 18:40:40 US $15.50 1975 TOPPS BASEBALL MINI WRAPPERS - LOT OF 25+ VG NR fmemech (*) neilgee15
250087211498 Feb-21-07 Feb-26-07 19:13:31 US $4.00 (10) 1980 Topps Baseball Wax PAck Wrapper Lot fmemech (*) doctork7
250087211626 Feb-21-07 Feb-26-07 19:14:10 US $2.50 (10) 1979-80 Topps Basketball Wax Pack Wrapper Lot fmemech (*) doctork7
250087211712 Feb-21-07 Feb-26-07 19:14:38 US $2.50 (10) 1978-79 Topps Basketball Wax Pack Wrapper Lot fmemech (*) doctork7
first of all a story has to make sense. this one does not.
1- horrible feedback
2-buys empty boxes and wrappers
3-got the "good" cards naturally
4- wont answer allegations
5-ids/names match up
6-buying specific wrappers which relate to future box case rips
7- buying mint commons of same
8-caught lying
the proponderance of the evidence so far says volumes in my mind. this is a horrible thing to do to anyone let alone people you befriended. although i am sure steve hart /bbce is a very busy person, he is the most secure way of doing your group rips in case anyone decides to do it in the future. i dont rip, so that was just a suggestion. this just stinks. i am sorry to hear this happen to you guys.
I hope it works out for you guys in the end.
...and to think I was considering the 84 Topps FF as my 1st board rip
Anybody have any of the pictures taken from the '75 Mini break of him at BBCE?
Arthur
<< <i>I just got his mobile number. >>
Does this mean cell phone or his mobil gas card number? I am hoping the later
ON ITS WAY TO NEWPORT BEACH, CA 92658
This of course turned out to be a waste of money for him because the cards were shipped direct
1994 Pro Line Live
TheDallasCowboyBackfieldProject
Thanks,
David (LD_Ferg)
1985 Topps Football (starting in psa 8) - #9 - started 05/21/06
<< <i>getting prepared for the 78 rip
This of course turned out to be a waste of money for him because the cards were shipped direct >>
I am so thankful that the 78's shipped from BBCE. If you read the 78 thread Gary was trying very hard to be the shipper of those.
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My daughter was diagnosed with type 1 diabetes at the age of 2 (2003). My son was diagnosed with Type 1 when he was 17 on December 31, 2009. We were stunned that another child of ours had been diagnosed. Please, if you don't have a favorite charity, consider giving to the JDRF (Juvenile Diabetes Research Foundation)
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That just might be the fianl nail! I can't believe anybody that just bought a case fresh box of 78's would buy a bunch of junk from 4SC's who is probably PSA's top[ submitter so you know you are getting just that junk!
ON ITS WAY TO NEWPORT BEACH, CA 92658
All I see is greed and deceit
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80sJunkie
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Wednesday February 21, 2007 4:19 PM (NEW!)
Sorry guys but I need to vent for a minute. I just got a not so nice little pm from someone I wont name. Accusing me of putting these pack rips and case rips together to make a nice profit. Im floored. I want you guys to know I am in this as a hobbyist just like the rest of you guys. Luckily i am afforded the luxury of time and patience to put these rips together. They are alot of work and i spend about 20-30 hours total per rip with all the emails and packaging proccesing and shipping. I can guarantee you I have not made a dollar on a single rip and i dont want to. This is fun for all of us and I want you guys to know I like doing this and dont want anyone thinking I'm doing this for profit. Believe me I dont need to make a buck this way. Im thankful god has granted me a healthy and luxurious lifestyle. Plus I consider you all friends and my first rule to a fault is never try to make a buck off of friends.
The only one making out here is bbcexchange with the thousands of dollars we are spending with him.
For those who might think other wise here is a exact breakdown for this case rip so you can see I am not making anymoney off of this.
Case $9000 divide by 64 lots of 9 140.62 per lot
1 lot 140.62packs+4.68paypalfees+4.35shipping=149.65
2lots 281.24packs+8.91paypalfees+6.65shipping=296.80
3 lots 421.86packs+13.24paypalfees+8.80shipping=443.90
1 box 462.50box+16.65paypalfees+8.80shipping+587.95
So you add it all up I am not doing this for profit.
Sorry to rant and rave guys I was just very upset by this persons pm and accusations
Now lets all have some fun and pull lots of psa 10's so you can sell them to me to finish my 78 set
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wanted unopened 70s 80s wax material cases prefered
also psa 78 and 83 o pee chee
Edited: Wednesday February 21, 2007 at 4:21 PM by 80sJunkie
I was astounded that he willingly gave us his ebay handle. At least 3 people (myself) included called him on the feedback and he of course bullied his way with what i felt was a lame answer. I then just kept what i felt to myself.
Steve
<< <i>80sJunkie
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Wednesday February 21, 2007 4:19 PM (NEW!)
Sorry guys but I need to vent for a minute. I just got a not so nice little pm from someone I wont name. Accusing me of putting these pack rips and case rips together to make a nice profit. Im floored. I want you guys to know I am in this as a hobbyist just like the rest of you guys. Luckily i am afforded the luxury of time and patience to put these rips together. They are alot of work and i spend about 20-30 hours total per rip with all the emails and packaging proccesing and shipping. I can guarantee you I have not made a dollar on a single rip and i dont want to. This is fun for all of us and I want you guys to know I like doing this and dont want anyone thinking I'm doing this for profit. Believe me I dont need to make a buck this way. Im thankful god has granted me a healthy and luxurious lifestyle. Plus I consider you all friends and my first rule to a fault is never try to make a buck off of friends.
The only one making out here is bbcexchange with the thousands of dollars we are spending with him.
For those who might think other wise here is a exact breakdown for this case rip so you can see I am not making anymoney off of this.
Case $9000 divide by 64 lots of 9 140.62 per lot
1 lot 140.62packs+4.68paypalfees+4.35shipping=149.65
2lots 281.24packs+8.91paypalfees+6.65shipping=296.80
3 lots 421.86packs+13.24paypalfees+8.80shipping=443.90
1 box 462.50box+16.65paypalfees+8.80shipping+587.95
So you add it all up I am not doing this for profit.
Sorry to rant and rave guys I was just very upset by this persons pm and accusations
Now lets all have some fun and pull lots of psa 10's so you can sell them to me to finish my 78 set
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Where was this posted????????????????????????????????????
Wish I had seen that thread. I certainly would've dug a little deeper.
Lee
with Thousands of hard earned dollars. Everyone thats anyone tells
everyone to buy direct from Steve, no middle men. If a box comes up on
fleabay all the advice is RUN!!! and pay alittle more from Steve. Why was
this so okay with everyone? Specially looking at his feedback. If he had
these boxes on fleabay not one collector woulda bought from him after
10 seconds of looking at his feedback. Not second guessing anyone but
I thought everyone knew him and he was a long time collector that
everyone trusted. I'm sorry, I was taken too.
"I spent 50% of my money on alcohol, women, and gambling. The other half I wasted.
The worst part is that I actually sent this douche a PM after he made the post about someone contacting him about [profiting off the rips just to say "Don't sweat it, everyone here appreciates what you're doing .... blah, blah, blah." He got us all good.
How sick does this make me feel? I actually planned to swing by Target on my way home today and pick up some '07 Topps to break. I don't even collect baseball but just wanted to crack some wax. I no longer feel like doing it.
Anger.
Arthur
<< <i>I'm angry as all hell right now. This wasn't a case of a nice guy who got tempted to do something wrong because of the position he was in. This is a case of someone coming in and deliberately and maliciously creating a "profile" of an individual in order to scam, steal and fraud people out of money. Many steps were taken, great efforts were made and premeditated illegal actions were taken on his part.
Anybody have any of the pictures taken from the '75 Mini break of him at BBCE?
Arthur >>
I hope none of the above is true...
<< <i>just went through the 78 rip. It is gone. >>
You mean he removed it? So he's actually on the boards right now trying to back track and edit posts. Maybe we should copy/paste stuff in case we need it down the line with the authorities.
Arthur
no -ish, i find this hard to believe.
what & how many case busts has he been in charge of??
i think we should wait to judge until he says his side of the story. if he was innocent, we have really kicked him around on ths thread.
late
julen
RIP GURU
<< <i>What bugs me is this guy's only been here a year and everyone trusted him
with Thousands of hard earned dollars. Everyone thats anyone tells
everyone to buy direct from Steve, no middle men. If a box comes up on
fleabay all the advice is RUN!!! and pay alittle more from Steve. Why was
this so okay with everyone? Specially looking at his feedback. If he had
these boxes on fleabay not one collector woulda bought from him after
10 seconds of looking at his feedback. Not second guessing anyone but
I thought everyone knew him and he was a long time collector that
everyone trusted. I'm sorry, I was taken too. >>
I was one who was duped apparantly. I did not participate in any of the breaks shipped by him thank goodness. I am just sick everybody who might have been taken by him
ISO 1978 Topps Baseball in NM-MT High Grade Raw 3, 100, 103, 302, 347, 376, 416, 466, 481, 487, 509, 534, 540, 554, 579, 580, 622, 642, 673, 724__________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________ISO 1978 O-Pee-Chee in NM-MT High Grade Raw12, 21, 29, 38, 49, 65, 69, 73, 74, 81, 95, 100, 104, 110, 115, 122, 132, 133, 135, 140, 142, 151, 153, 155, 160, 161, 167, 168, 172, 179, 181, 196, 200, 204, 210, 224, 231, 240
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Lee
If he did rip you guys off, posting all the evidence of it, gives him time to come up with a story or cover up other evidence that may be out there,
Also if he did not do this and he does have a business reputation to protect, you need to be careful of slander and defamation, last thing you want is to be served with a lawsuit from this guy.
As for the guy talking about getting phone numbers and other personal information from a Federal source. It is highly illegal to do so, I would keep it to myself. He could contact the AG on privacy issues and they can easily trace what records were run and by whom, based on the posting dates and times, thenyu find yourself and your source in a real bad spot.
If you believe you have been defrauded, you need to contact an attorney, paypaland maybe the local police in his area (likely will tell you it is a civil issue).
I was a bit suspicious with this football break because there was hardly a star in the entire run. But, I'm going to hold off and hope that Gary comes up with some very good answers.
* C. PASCUAL BASIC #3
* T. PEREZ BASIC #4 100%
* L. TIANT BASIC #1
* DRYSDALE BASIC #4 100%
* MAGIC MASTER #4/BASIC #3
* PALMEIRO MASTER/BASIC #1
* '65 DISNEYLAND #2
* '78 ELVIS PRESLEY #6
* '78 THREE'S COMPANY #1
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lmk
<< <i>I still have some of the packs from the "Late '70s - early '80s" rip. Maybe I could send them to Steve H. and see what he thinks.
lmk >>
<< <i>just went through the 78 rip. It is gone. >>
What did you mean by this Fav?
"I spent 50% of my money on alcohol, women, and gambling. The other half I wasted.
Link
Wednesday February 21, 2007 6:19 PM
Sorry guys but I need to vent for a minute. I just got a not so nice little pm from someone I wont name. Accusing me of putting these pack rips and case rips together to make a nice profit. Im floored. I want you guys to know I am in this as a hobbyist just like the rest of you guys. Luckily i am afforded the luxury of time and patience to put these rips together. They are alot of work and i spend about 20-30 hours total per rip with all the emails and packaging proccesing and shipping. I can guarantee you I have not made a dollar on a single rip and i dont want to. This is fun for all of us and I want you guys to know I like doing this and dont want anyone thinking I'm doing this for profit. Believe me I dont need to make a buck this way. Im thankful god has granted me a healthy and luxurious lifestyle. Plus I consider you all friends and my first rule to a fault is never try to make a buck off of friends.
The only one making out here is bbcexchange with the thousands of dollars we are spending with him.
For those who might think other wise here is a exact breakdown for this case rip so you can see I am not making anymoney off of this.
Case $9000 divide by 64 lots of 9 140.62 per lot
1 lot 140.62packs+4.68paypalfees+4.35shipping=149.65
2lots 281.24packs+8.91paypalfees+6.65shipping=296.80
3 lots 421.86packs+13.24paypalfees+8.80shipping=443.90
1 box 462.50box+16.65paypalfees+8.80shipping+587.95
So you add it all up I am not doing this for profit.
Sorry to rant and rave guys I was just very upset by this persons pm and accusations
Now lets all have some fun and pull lots of psa 10's so you can sell them to me to finish my 78 set
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Thursday February 22, 2007 12:49 PM
I had a few questions for steve waiting to hear back.
Mrg I had already planned to set up a video camera and tape the enitre thing and post it up on you tube or something like that for everyone to view. But we will see trying to figure out if it will be more work for me if steve ships them or not. If he ships them for a decent price it saves me that work but then I have to go through and creat a list will all the addresses and lots for steve. Plus we probably wouldnt pictures of the break or video. I think one of us busting the case and getting pictures to go with it is part of the fun
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Friday February 23, 2007 9:04 PM
waiting on 3 payments. Grote steves sending me the case it would have been a little more of a hassle plus I am going to video the break and spliting of the case and post it on you tube for us all to enjoy.
Then each time he was asked about direct shipping, he responded with a
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Monday February 26, 2007 10:37 AM
Thanks Steve I'll leave it up to the guys here. So heres what we got steve can still ship to everyone. I porbably wont have time to filter through and get all the addresses ,lots ,figure shipping $ to send to steve, and ect ready for steve till wednesday. Im out of town till wednesday and it will take a few ours to get all that info together or he can 2 day the case out today and I can split it video it whatever. . I dont really care anymore Im a little tired from all the rips this month you guys decide and i'll do the work either way
Wednesday February 21, 2007 11:20 AM
Ok pms were sent sorry about the first one I typed to fast and hit the wrong key typing my email addy.
A few people dont have pms turned on hers a list and you payment amount.
Please paypal you payments to iplaychoochoo2@sbcglobal.net
VERY IMPORTANT!!!! be sure to include your forum screen name in payment notes so I know who you are to mark you paid.
Hers the list of people with no pm
jonnybro 2 lots 296.80
shasta2112 2 lots 296.80
danp306 1 box 587.95