<< <i>Hello Men. I've been out of the hobby for a few years....sometimes when life happens cards don't. But I'm putting a toe back in the water and hope to get my passion going again. I see my collection has slipped out of the top twenty so that's a sign the Football HOF set registry is getting stronger. I am in the process of culling my cards to concentrate on HOF, Future HOF, and Cowboy RC. It's great to be back.
Here is my prediction for next years HOF inductees and reasons why:
1. Junior Seau----No Brainer
2. Kurt Warner---No Brainer II
3. Orlando Pace--No Brainer III
4. Charles Haley--It is time for Haley. I sort of understand the snub. He was a total tool when I watch him in Dallas and though a preeminent pass rusher his sack total (100.5) pales in comparison to others. I think he is about 30th all time in sacks. But he was a frightening man to play against and the only holder of 5 SB rings.
5. Tim Brown----The WR log jam continues to erode. I know some will say no way he gets in before Harrison but I think their stats are pretty close and Brown was a more versatile player. I know Brown has some skeletons rattling in his closet that might turn off some HOF voters but some forget that Harrison does too.
Seniors are a hard bunch to chose from and think their induction debates are probably more heated than the non-seniors But my two for 2015 are listed below, my reasons just because 1. Chuck Howley 2. Randy Gradishar >>
I'm very interested to see where Pace stacks up tho year. Same with Bruce, Holt, Edge, Ty Law. I dont think any if these I just listed make the top 15 this year and likely only one or two make the top 25 even. Should have a better idea of where these guys stack up at that point.
Like Zach Thomas last year. Didn't think he'd go in first ballot but certainly thought he be in the top 25. Instead Jimmy Johnson and Steve Wiesniewzski joined it for the first time. Kinda says Zach might have a long and winding road to the senior pool on his future. LB going to get reallll tough the next few years. Seau, Lewis, Urlacher coming up.
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<< <i>Hello Men. I've been out of the hobby for a few years....sometimes when life happens cards don't. But I'm putting a toe back in the water and hope to get my passion going again. I see my collection has slipped out of the top twenty so that's a sign the Football HOF set registry is getting stronger. I am in the process of culling my cards to concentrate on HOF, Future HOF, and Cowboy RC. It's great to be back.
Here is my prediction for next years HOF inductees and reasons why:
1. Junior Seau----No Brainer
2. Kurt Warner---No Brainer II
3. Orlando Pace--No Brainer III
4. Charles Haley--It is time for Haley. I sort of understand the snub. He was a total tool when I watch him in Dallas and though a preeminent pass rusher his sack total (100.5) pales in comparison to others. I think he is about 30th all time in sacks. But he was a frightening man to play against and the only holder of 5 SB rings.
5. Tim Brown----The WR log jam continues to erode. I know some will say no way he gets in before Harrison but I think their stats are pretty close and Brown was a more versatile player. I know Brown has some skeletons rattling in his closet that might turn off some HOF voters but some forget that Harrison does too.
Seniors are a hard bunch to chose from and think their induction debates are probably more heated than the non-seniors But my two for 2015 are listed below, my reasons just because 1. Chuck Howley 2. Randy Gradishar >>
I don't think Kurt Warner is a first ballot HOF candidate. I know he had a couple of great seasons, but he also had some mediocre to bad ones too and didn't have that long of a career in the NFL. If you take a look at his stats, he only passed for 32,344 yards. Not to say that he doesn't eventually get in, but I think there's enough debate to keep him from being a first ballot guy. Just my $0.02.
Seau, Tim Brown, Shields, Haley, Dungy. senior picks, Gradishar sounds good. I know he won't make it but Robert Brazile should get a serious look. But i'll go with Kramer as the 2nd senior.
I know with Ray Guy getting in it will likely be awhile before another Raider gets a Senior slot BUT sure would be nice if Cliff Branch got some attention and eventually Lester Hayes.
<< <i>Hello Men. I've been out of the hobby for a few years....sometimes when life happens cards don't. But I'm putting a toe back in the water and hope to get my passion going again. I see my collection has slipped out of the top twenty so that's a sign the Football HOF set registry is getting stronger. I am in the process of culling my cards to concentrate on HOF, Future HOF, and Cowboy RC. It's great to be back.
Here is my prediction for next years HOF inductees and reasons why:
1. Junior Seau----No Brainer
2. Kurt Warner---No Brainer II
3. Orlando Pace--No Brainer III
4. Charles Haley--It is time for Haley. I sort of understand the snub. He was a total tool when I watch him in Dallas and though a preeminent pass rusher his sack total (100.5) pales in comparison to others. I think he is about 30th all time in sacks. But he was a frightening man to play against and the only holder of 5 SB rings.
5. Tim Brown----The WR log jam continues to erode. I know some will say no way he gets in before Harrison but I think their stats are pretty close and Brown was a more versatile player. I know Brown has some skeletons rattling in his closet that might turn off some HOF voters but some forget that Harrison does too.
Seniors are a hard bunch to chose from and think their induction debates are probably more heated than the non-seniors But my two for 2015 are listed below, my reasons just because 1. Chuck Howley 2. Randy Gradishar >>
I don't think Kurt Warner is a first ballot HOF candidate. I know he had a couple of great seasons, but he also had some mediocre to bad ones too and didn't have that long of a career in the NFL. If you take a look at his stats, he only passed for 32,344 yards. Not to say that he doesn't eventually get in, but I think there's enough debate to keep him from being a first ballot guy. Just my $0.02. >>
Stats alone don't predicted HOF induction. Here is why I think Warner is 1st ballot HOF in 2015:
He had a brilliant career shortened by injury which the HOF voters have historically favored. He is a SB champion with a cool story before the NFL that plays well to the media. He's just a real good guy. IMO he took two teams to the SB who wouldn't have gotten there without him and the hugely mediocre seasons before each actually make him seem more worthy. Circumstance also works in his favor too. Zero QB competition in those eligible for 2015 and no HOF worthy candidates since 2006 when both Aikman and Moon got in. And of course looming in 2016 .....Brett Favre.
For the Seniors, I've been pulling for Jerry Kramer, Mick Tingelhoff and Kenny Anderson for a while. Howley wasn't really on my radar, but he has a very impressive resume and probably should have gotten in years ago. He was an All-Pro 5 years in a row and was MVP in one the two Super Bowls he played in. I wonder why he hasn't gotten more consideration from the voters over the years.
"My father would womanize, he would drink. He would make outrageous claims like he invented the question mark. Sometimes he would accuse chestnuts of being lazy. The sort of general malaise that only the genius possess and the insane lament. Our childhood was typical. Summers in Rangoon, luge lessons. In the spring we'd make meat helmets. When we were insolent we were placed in a burlap bag and beaten with reeds - pretty standard really."
<< <i>For the Seniors, I've been pulling for Jerry Kramer, Mick Tingelhoff and Kenny Anderson for a while. Howley wasn't really on my radar, but he has a very impressive resume and probably should have gotten in years ago. He was an All-Pro 5 years in a row and was MVP in one the two Super Bowls he played in. I wonder why he hasn't gotten more consideration from the voters over the years. >>
Howley has gotten quite a bit of consideration, as he has been in the final 15 seniors every years since 2005. There are only 9 guys on the senior committee. So its possible only 2-3 are voting for Howley on their initial ballots. Then they send a smaller group to the HOF in August to narrow it to 5 then to 2. I don't have complete records of who has made the final 5 every year...But the ones I do have, Ive never seen Howley in the final 5.
Thing to remember with the seniors, is it is much more political than even the modern vote. Guys gets pushes, or have the players who fly in to assist the voters are strong personalities and they have an agenda for a particular guy or guys, and thats who gets the selection. Bob Hayes and Claude Humphrey getting picked twice each in recent years is another part of why Howley (and others) arent in yet.
As far as Warner goes, I will be shocked if he doesn't go in first ballot. His legend has grown even more since retirement, and he is one of the most liked and beloved QBs around...The Super Bowls, the MVPs, his life story...I think he gets the 2nd most votes this year right behind Seau...
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I just graded a bunch of 1989 topps Tim Brown RCs # 265, and got a bunch of PSA 10s. Also, Rod Woodson # 323 1989 topps HOF rookie in PSA 10. If anyone needs one LMK. I can do better than ebay prices, especially if you buy in bulk.
Does anyone here have interest in trading their HOF Basketball RC's for my HOF Football RC's? If this may interest you, pm or email me at gregmo32@aol.com
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Just wanted to thank Dave - davemri for a flawless transaction that brought me the final piece to reaching 100% in my set, the Bronco Nagurski. Scan is in my set: link
That Nag is an absolute beauty! You may want to slow down now, though, since you're a hair away from passing me on the set . Kidding aside, a centerpiece add for sure.
"My father would womanize, he would drink. He would make outrageous claims like he invented the question mark. Sometimes he would accuse chestnuts of being lazy. The sort of general malaise that only the genius possess and the insane lament. Our childhood was typical. Summers in Rangoon, luge lessons. In the spring we'd make meat helmets. When we were insolent we were placed in a burlap bag and beaten with reeds - pretty standard really."
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Congrats on the set completion recbball....truly a fantastic feat. I too have bought cards from davemri's set. And had just as stellar experience. Although.....Im sure I wasnt as worried about the transit of mine as much as you were on yours....lol
Just wanted to say thanks to everyone who commented on my set. I sent the addition request for the 2014 College Football HOF today. I also found some cards that needed to be added to the All-Time NFL team set. Those should be added now.
"My father would womanize, he would drink. He would make outrageous claims like he invented the question mark. Sometimes he would accuse chestnuts of being lazy. The sort of general malaise that only the genius possess and the insane lament. Our childhood was typical. Summers in Rangoon, luge lessons. In the spring we'd make meat helmets. When we were insolent we were placed in a burlap bag and beaten with reeds - pretty standard really."
Thank you guys I wish more would post pics Bobby....I have been buying mostly uneventful commons for sets....
I like to see some nice RC,s posted.
This was actually my 2nd Willie 9. I got one from greg monteith a number of years ago.....then Ben Martello (hammer collection) was building a HOF 1965 set and wanted the highest possible grade in all the cards. I had 2 1965 psa 9 1/1,s and he wanted the willie also. So I said, "why not....let him go for it"....so we did a deal.
Now I get the one card I like back.
Don't be jealous Frank...not often I get to splurge....if u need my old 8 let me know.
If anyone needs help posting pics let me know..I would be glad 2 walk u through it.
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That is crazy for the Hannah. Clearly that was buying the holder not the card. The centering to me is way off for that price. Not off for a 9 but way off for that price. I have a 7 that looks better than this.
"My father would womanize, he would drink. He would make outrageous claims like he invented the question mark. Sometimes he would accuse chestnuts of being lazy. The sort of general malaise that only the genius possess and the insane lament. Our childhood was typical. Summers in Rangoon, luge lessons. In the spring we'd make meat helmets. When we were insolent we were placed in a burlap bag and beaten with reeds - pretty standard really."
i second that. it helps both players and contributors get in. there are many worthy contributors but its hard for voters to vote them in at the expense of a player. i would expect contributors being voted in for the first 5 or so years. then it will die off to a trickle every few years.
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I read today that the addition of the Contributors category means there will only be one Senior finalist in 2015, 2017 and 2019. I think this kinda stinks, especially since there is such a backlog of deserving Senior HOF candidates. I've been championing a Contributor category for a while now wherein players and non-players won't have to be lumped in the same pool, but I don't agree that it should come at the expense of Senior candidates. If there is one silver lining to this change, it should make the single Senior finalists chosen in 2015, 2017 and 2019 virtual locks to get in. I'm hoping one of Howley, Tingelhoff, Kuechenberg or Kramer get the nod this year. I'd also be happy with Wistert for his number one fan, Mr. Alpaugh.
"My father would womanize, he would drink. He would make outrageous claims like he invented the question mark. Sometimes he would accuse chestnuts of being lazy. The sort of general malaise that only the genius possess and the insane lament. Our childhood was typical. Summers in Rangoon, luge lessons. In the spring we'd make meat helmets. When we were insolent we were placed in a burlap bag and beaten with reeds - pretty standard really."
I am on board with the contributor addition. I also like the idea of one senior too. Over the past seven years the 2nd guy on the list that got in has not been worthy more often than not. In my opinion the following players that were voted in as seniors the past 10 years should not have been voted in.
2014 - Claude Humphrey (didn't get in in 2009 and they waste a spot on him in 2014 - SAD!) 2013 - Curly Culp (never once was on the modern candidate list for the 25 years eligible) 2012 - Dick Stanfel (did not get in and did not make it in 1993 as a sole candidate for the senior selection, right choice here too) 2011 - Both solid candidates 2010 - Floyd Little is NOT of Hall of Famer. Dick LeBeau is not a Hall of Famer as just a player. With the three Super Bowls coaching the Steelers Defense that is what got him in in conjunction with his playing. 2008 - Marshall Goldberg did not gets the votes and I agree with that, plus this was his 2nd time as a senior candidate - another wasted spot 2007 - Both solid candidates
As I went through the list of HOF classes I came across multiple players getting on the senior final spot(s) more than once. Marshall Goldberg 1979 and 2008, Lou Creekmur 1980 and got in 1996, Henry Jordan 1989 and got in 1995, lastly Dick Stanfel 1992 and 2012. I think if you don't get in as a senior candidate on your first try you don't get a second. You are just taking up spots for other worthy candidates. Now I get Creekmur and Jordan got in on their second try but hey, they should have made it on their first. But that is four spots that could have been given to someone better suited for the HOF.
Also, I look at Curly Culp in particular when I say you should not even be considered for the senior ballot is you were never ONCE on the ballot for the 20 years of eligibility. I don't think you should be given a "senior gift" if you could not crack the top 25 or so players for a 20 year run of voting. Though, this should only affect players who stopped playing after 1980.
Since 1979 there have been 11 senior spots not voted in, but in the past five years only one of the 10 spots have not made it (Stanfel 2012). What I see lately is if you are a senior candidate you ARE IN. I don't like putting in marginal players. See my list above. Moving back to one senior candidate is the way to go now because the Senior Backlog is over. Nearly every player the retired prior to the HOF opening in 1963 is in.
So, with all this said and the noted players above that got in that in my opinion are not worthy of being in the Hall Of Fame I support the Contributor and also support lowering the Senior selection to one spot.
Thoughts? Agree? Disagree? Troy, get off your soap box and get back to work?
I agree with a lot of what you wrote, Troy, but the problem hasn't been too many Senior nominees, it's been too many bad ones at the expense of more deserving players. Floyd Little was an absolutely horrendous choice for the HOF - one of the worst in any sport in a long time. And to have players like Stanfel and Goldberg take up a spot twice and still not get in, there's just no reason for that. I'd be all for the one and done system you proposed where Senior nominees get just one crack. It makes all the sense in the world. I think the intrinsic problem is that, more so than for any other sport, football HOF voting is about how loud the people are who are championing your case. It should be about merit. Period.
"My father would womanize, he would drink. He would make outrageous claims like he invented the question mark. Sometimes he would accuse chestnuts of being lazy. The sort of general malaise that only the genius possess and the insane lament. Our childhood was typical. Summers in Rangoon, luge lessons. In the spring we'd make meat helmets. When we were insolent we were placed in a burlap bag and beaten with reeds - pretty standard really."
<< <i>When are the senior nominees to be announced this year? >>
I don't know an exact date, but it should be sometime in the next 2 weeks.
"My father would womanize, he would drink. He would make outrageous claims like he invented the question mark. Sometimes he would accuse chestnuts of being lazy. The sort of general malaise that only the genius possess and the insane lament. Our childhood was typical. Summers in Rangoon, luge lessons. In the spring we'd make meat helmets. When we were insolent we were placed in a burlap bag and beaten with reeds - pretty standard really."
I have no real problem he did get in....but not escaladed over the top of guys like Tingelhoff and Howley...
"intrinsic problem is that, more so than for any other sport, football HOF voting is about how loud the people are who are championing your case. It should be about merit. Period. "
Jason Peeples used to say the same thing
What's next: hiring professional motivational speakers to plead your case????
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Jay G., thanks for the shout out..This is a subject near and dear to me. It's something that's been in the works for the past few years (adding the contributor category) and if someone wanted to page back in this thread, you would see us discussing it here way back when.
I'm glad they finally got it done. It's been an issue with the modern candidate voting for quite some time. While it doesn't fix the senior candidate issues, it does really help the modern candidate voting. Which will now be only players and coaches as it should be.
The senior candidate system is a totally different issue. As Jay and Andy pointed out here, those all come down to which voters are pushing which senior guys. And who has an agenda vs. so and so player. The problem is that there are WAY too few voters on the Senior Committee. Only 9 of the HOF voters even vote on the initial balloting. Then they send just 5 voters to Canton over a weekend to decide which of the 15 or so top vote getters will get the selection. In recent years they have begun to bring in a couple of HOF players to give their opinions. But again, the guys they are bringing are akin to bringing ex-Steelers players and asking if LC Greenwood is deserving...I mean, it seems more so to support a cause than to get unbiased opinions.
I spoke with Joe Delamielleure about this just a few months back at an event we were both attending. Sat and talked a good 25-30 minutes about this as well as the lack of healthy coverage ex-players receive(which BTW is sad and pathetic based on how much money the NFL is raking in). He was one of the guys that went to Canton last year. While he certainly gave very good reviews on both the players selected. He was only presented 5 options. The other options weren't any of the "top" guys mentioned above. And it seemed Guy was going to get selected no matter what or who he said was most deserving.
Bottom line, they need to improve the Senior process FIRST. Until then, I'm fine, in fact, prefer the single candidate approach for the Seniors. Because the "lobbied" selections (make no mistake lobbyists for many of these guys already exist. Letters and calls to the senior voters start WELL in advance of the new class being voted on) will continue as long as the selections are left up to such a small sampling of opinions and agendas. Its tough enough to overcome these personal voter vs. player issues in the modern vote with almost 50 voters...Its impossible to overcome bad/wrong/not well deserved selections when you leave it up to 5 guys to decide.
Jason
I'm here to question, not to inspire or build up. To live how I want, as I see fit, according to my values and my needs. Nothing holds dominion over me, I stand alone as the ruler of my life.
Good stuff as always Jason. Do you know when the Senior finalist will be announced?
"My father would womanize, he would drink. He would make outrageous claims like he invented the question mark. Sometimes he would accuse chestnuts of being lazy. The sort of general malaise that only the genius possess and the insane lament. Our childhood was typical. Summers in Rangoon, luge lessons. In the spring we'd make meat helmets. When we were insolent we were placed in a burlap bag and beaten with reeds - pretty standard really."
<< <i>Good stuff as always Jason. Do you know when the Senior finalist will be announced? >>
Should be this week.
Jason
I'm here to question, not to inspire or build up. To live how I want, as I see fit, according to my values and my needs. Nothing holds dominion over me, I stand alone as the ruler of my life.
<< <i>Jay G., thanks for the shout out..This is a subject near and dear to me. It's something that's been in the works for the past few years (adding the contributor category) and if someone wanted to page back in this thread, you would see us discussing it here way back when.
I'm glad they finally got it done. It's been an issue with the modern candidate voting for quite some time. While it doesn't fix the senior candidate issues, it does really help the modern candidate voting. Which will now be only players and coaches as it should be.
The senior candidate system is a totally different issue. As Jay and Andy pointed out here, those all come down to which voters are pushing which senior guys. And who has an agenda vs. so and so player. The problem is that there are WAY too few voters on the Senior Committee. Only 9 of the HOF voters even vote on the initial balloting. Then they send just 5 voters to Canton over a weekend to decide which of the 15 or so top vote getters will get the selection. In recent years they have begun to bring in a couple of HOF players to give their opinions. But again, the guys they are bringing are akin to bringing ex-Steelers players and asking if LC Greenwood is deserving...I mean, it seems more so to support a cause than to get unbiased opinions.
I spoke with Joe Delamielleure about this just a few months back at an event we were both attending. Sat and talked a good 25-30 minutes about this as well as the lack of healthy coverage ex-players receive(which BTW is sad and pathetic based on how much money the NFL is raking in). He was one of the guys that went to Canton last year. While he certainly gave very good reviews on both the players selected. He was only presented 5 options. The other options weren't any of the "top" guys mentioned above. And it seemed Guy was going to get selected no matter what or who he said was most deserving.
Bottom line, they need to improve the Senior process FIRST. Until then, I'm fine, in fact, prefer the single candidate approach for the Seniors. Because the "lobbied" selections (make no mistake lobbyists for many of these guys already exist. Letters and calls to the senior voters start WELL in advance of the new class being voted on) will continue as long as the selections are left up to such a small sampling of opinions and agendas. Its tough enough to overcome these personal voter vs. player issues in the modern vote with almost 50 voters...Its impossible to overcome bad/wrong/not well deserved selections when you leave it up to 5 guys to decide.
Jason >>
They should set it up that the HOFers can only have input on the guys they played against, and you can't vote for your teammate. Might not be a bad idea to set up some kind of pool of ex-players from each era and give them a say
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I'm in the market for a nicely-centered PSA 8 or 8.5 '64 Tingelhoff if anyone has one for sale.
"My father would womanize, he would drink. He would make outrageous claims like he invented the question mark. Sometimes he would accuse chestnuts of being lazy. The sort of general malaise that only the genius possess and the insane lament. Our childhood was typical. Summers in Rangoon, luge lessons. In the spring we'd make meat helmets. When we were insolent we were placed in a burlap bag and beaten with reeds - pretty standard really."
"My father would womanize, he would drink. He would make outrageous claims like he invented the question mark. Sometimes he would accuse chestnuts of being lazy. The sort of general malaise that only the genius possess and the insane lament. Our childhood was typical. Summers in Rangoon, luge lessons. In the spring we'd make meat helmets. When we were insolent we were placed in a burlap bag and beaten with reeds - pretty standard really."
WOW! Never once on the ballot for any of his years of eligibility but he gets the vote this year. Sure sucks to be Johnny Robinson, Jerry Kramer, LC Greenwood, Lester Hayes, Kuech, Ken Anderson and Randy Gradishar. Each of these guys made it at least twice on the finalist list and this guy gets in.
I get it, 5x All Pro and 6x Pro Bowls and played in a buch of losing Super Bowls but I just get sick and tired of the guys coming out of the wood work after 25 years of nothing. I was not following the gossip coming up to this announcement so I don't know where the others stood but I really thought it would have been one of the guys above (minus Kramer and Robinson because no voter likes these two for some reason)
I do not understand why Howley has not even been nominated by the senior committee! If the electors have an issue with how many 1960's/1970's Cowboys are in the HOF they should of nominated Howley before Hayes or Wright. In my opinion he should of gone in before Tippett, R.Jackson, Hanburger, Richter, Robinson, D.Thomas, H. Carson, and D. Wilcox.
I am clueless as to why he is not been inducted to the HOF. I have not seen a ton of footage of him but a handful of games and clips and in those he played like a guy who was a Pro Bowler 6 times and All Pro 5 times.
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<< <i>I am clueless as to why he is not been inducted to the HOF. I have not seen a ton of footage of him but a handful of games and clips and in those he played like a guy who was a Pro Bowler 6 times and All Pro 5 times. >>
I agree! Not to mention that Howley is still the only Super Bowl MVP from a losing team. I think he's the most glaring HOF omission, followed by Jerry Kramer. I can't argue with Tingelhoff's selection because I think he's very deserving, but Howley and Kramer should have both been inducted a looooong time ago.
"My father would womanize, he would drink. He would make outrageous claims like he invented the question mark. Sometimes he would accuse chestnuts of being lazy. The sort of general malaise that only the genius possess and the insane lament. Our childhood was typical. Summers in Rangoon, luge lessons. In the spring we'd make meat helmets. When we were insolent we were placed in a burlap bag and beaten with reeds - pretty standard really."
<< <i>I am clueless as to why he is not been inducted to the HOF. I have not seen a ton of footage of him but a handful of games and clips and in those he played like a guy who was a Pro Bowler 6 times and All Pro 5 times. >>
I agree! Not to mention that Howley is still the only Super Bowl MVP from a losing team. I think he's the most glaring HOF omission, followed by Jerry Kramer. I can't argue with Tingelhoff's selection because I think he's very deserving, but Howley and Kramer should have both been inducted a looooong time ago. >>
I personally think he most deserving candidate is another Packer that was a five time straight All Pro End. Lavvie Dilweg should have been in one off the first classes in 1963-1966. If you look at the All Time team from the 20's he is one of only two not in.
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<< <i>Hello Men. I've been out of the hobby for a few years....sometimes when life happens cards don't. But I'm putting a toe back in the water and hope to get my passion going again. I see my collection has slipped out of the top twenty so that's a sign the Football HOF set registry is getting stronger. I am in the process of culling my cards to concentrate on HOF, Future HOF, and Cowboy RC. It's great to be back.
Here is my prediction for next years HOF inductees and reasons why:
1. Junior Seau----No Brainer
2. Kurt Warner---No Brainer II
3. Orlando Pace--No Brainer III
4. Charles Haley--It is time for Haley. I sort of understand the snub. He was a total tool when I watch him in Dallas and though a preeminent pass rusher his sack total (100.5) pales in comparison to others. I think he is about 30th all time in sacks. But he was a frightening man to play against and the only holder of 5 SB rings.
5. Tim Brown----The WR log jam continues to erode. I know some will say no way he gets in before Harrison but I think their stats are pretty close and Brown was a more versatile player. I know Brown has some skeletons rattling in his closet that might turn off some HOF voters but some forget that Harrison does too.
Seniors are a hard bunch to chose from and think their induction debates are probably more heated than the non-seniors But my two for 2015 are listed below, my reasons just because
1. Chuck Howley
2. Randy Gradishar >>
I'm very interested to see where Pace stacks up tho year. Same with Bruce, Holt, Edge, Ty Law. I dont think any if these I just listed make the top 15 this year and likely only one or two make the top 25 even. Should have a better idea of where these guys stack up at that point.
Like Zach Thomas last year. Didn't think he'd go in first ballot but certainly thought he be in the top 25. Instead Jimmy Johnson and Steve Wiesniewzski joined it for the first time. Kinda says Zach might have a long and winding road to the senior pool on his future. LB going to get reallll tough the next few years. Seau, Lewis, Urlacher coming up.
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<< <i>Hello Men. I've been out of the hobby for a few years....sometimes when life happens cards don't. But I'm putting a toe back in the water and hope to get my passion going again. I see my collection has slipped out of the top twenty so that's a sign the Football HOF set registry is getting stronger. I am in the process of culling my cards to concentrate on HOF, Future HOF, and Cowboy RC. It's great to be back.
Here is my prediction for next years HOF inductees and reasons why:
1. Junior Seau----No Brainer
2. Kurt Warner---No Brainer II
3. Orlando Pace--No Brainer III
4. Charles Haley--It is time for Haley. I sort of understand the snub. He was a total tool when I watch him in Dallas and though a preeminent pass rusher his sack total (100.5) pales in comparison to others. I think he is about 30th all time in sacks. But he was a frightening man to play against and the only holder of 5 SB rings.
5. Tim Brown----The WR log jam continues to erode. I know some will say no way he gets in before Harrison but I think their stats are pretty close and Brown was a more versatile player. I know Brown has some skeletons rattling in his closet that might turn off some HOF voters but some forget that Harrison does too.
Seniors are a hard bunch to chose from and think their induction debates are probably more heated than the non-seniors But my two for 2015 are listed below, my reasons just because
1. Chuck Howley
2. Randy Gradishar >>
I don't think Kurt Warner is a first ballot HOF candidate. I know he had a couple of great seasons, but he also had some mediocre to bad ones too and didn't have that long of a career in the NFL. If you take a look at his stats, he only passed for 32,344 yards. Not to say that he doesn't eventually get in, but I think there's enough debate to keep him from being a first ballot guy. Just my $0.02.
senior picks, Gradishar sounds good. I know he won't make it but Robert Brazile should get a serious look. But i'll go with Kramer as the 2nd senior.
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<< <i>Hello Men. I've been out of the hobby for a few years....sometimes when life happens cards don't. But I'm putting a toe back in the water and hope to get my passion going again. I see my collection has slipped out of the top twenty so that's a sign the Football HOF set registry is getting stronger. I am in the process of culling my cards to concentrate on HOF, Future HOF, and Cowboy RC. It's great to be back.
Here is my prediction for next years HOF inductees and reasons why:
1. Junior Seau----No Brainer
2. Kurt Warner---No Brainer II
3. Orlando Pace--No Brainer III
4. Charles Haley--It is time for Haley. I sort of understand the snub. He was a total tool when I watch him in Dallas and though a preeminent pass rusher his sack total (100.5) pales in comparison to others. I think he is about 30th all time in sacks. But he was a frightening man to play against and the only holder of 5 SB rings.
5. Tim Brown----The WR log jam continues to erode. I know some will say no way he gets in before Harrison but I think their stats are pretty close and Brown was a more versatile player. I know Brown has some skeletons rattling in his closet that might turn off some HOF voters but some forget that Harrison does too.
Seniors are a hard bunch to chose from and think their induction debates are probably more heated than the non-seniors But my two for 2015 are listed below, my reasons just because
1. Chuck Howley
2. Randy Gradishar >>
I don't think Kurt Warner is a first ballot HOF candidate. I know he had a couple of great seasons, but he also had some mediocre to bad ones too and didn't have that long of a career in the NFL. If you take a look at his stats, he only passed for 32,344 yards. Not to say that he doesn't eventually get in, but I think there's enough debate to keep him from being a first ballot guy. Just my $0.02. >>
Stats alone don't predicted HOF induction. Here is why I think Warner is 1st ballot HOF in 2015:
He had a brilliant career shortened by injury which the HOF voters have historically favored. He is a SB champion with a cool story before the NFL that plays well to the media. He's just a real good guy. IMO he took two teams to the SB who wouldn't have gotten there without him and the hugely mediocre seasons before each actually make him seem more worthy. Circumstance also works in his favor too. Zero QB competition in those eligible for 2015 and no HOF worthy candidates since 2006 when both Aikman and Moon got in. And of course looming in 2016 .....Brett Favre.
<< <i>For the Seniors, I've been pulling for Jerry Kramer, Mick Tingelhoff and Kenny Anderson for a while. Howley wasn't really on my radar, but he has a very impressive resume and probably should have gotten in years ago. He was an All-Pro 5 years in a row and was MVP in one the two Super Bowls he played in. I wonder why he hasn't gotten more consideration from the voters over the years. >>
Howley has gotten quite a bit of consideration, as he has been in the final 15 seniors every years since 2005. There are only 9 guys on the senior committee. So its possible only 2-3 are voting for Howley on their initial ballots. Then they send a smaller group to the HOF in August to narrow it to 5 then to 2. I don't have complete records of who has made the final 5 every year...But the ones I do have, Ive never seen Howley in the final 5.
Thing to remember with the seniors, is it is much more political than even the modern vote. Guys gets pushes, or have the players who fly in to assist the voters are strong personalities and they have an agenda for a particular guy or guys, and thats who gets the selection. Bob Hayes and Claude Humphrey getting picked twice each in recent years is another part of why Howley (and others) arent in yet.
As far as Warner goes, I will be shocked if he doesn't go in first ballot. His legend has grown even more since retirement, and he is one of the most liked and beloved QBs around...The Super Bowls, the MVPs, his life story...I think he gets the 2nd most votes this year right behind Seau...
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<< <i>Jay... Wow that's a stunning "Old Man" Willie. I wish more people would show their cards more on this thread. Awesome pickup!!! >>
I'd post photos if I could only master the mysteries of Photobucket.....
I wish more would post pics Bobby....I have been buying mostly uneventful commons for sets....
I like to see some nice RC,s posted.
This was actually my 2nd Willie 9. I got one from greg monteith a number of years ago.....then Ben Martello (hammer collection) was building a HOF 1965 set and wanted the highest possible grade
in all the cards. I had 2 1965 psa 9 1/1,s and he wanted the willie also. So I said, "why not....let him go for it"....so we did a deal.
Now I get the one card I like back.
Don't be jealous Frank...not often I get to splurge....if u need my old 8 let me know.
If anyone needs help posting pics let me know..I would be glad 2 walk u through it.
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<< <i>The NFL HOF is looking to add a contributor category, which I think is a great idea:
Linky >>
i second that. it helps both players and contributors get in. there are many worthy contributors but its hard for voters to vote them in at the expense of a player. i would expect contributors being voted in for the first 5 or so years. then it will die off to a trickle every few years.
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Agree: I contributor and 2 seniors are better.
Any of the 5 guys Andy mentioned can easily be a top contender.
Personally I Have liked Tingelhoff for years. My #1 pick.
Kuech has only 1 1st team all pro. I think his candidacy is based more on let's get the last of the 1972 Dolphins in.
Kramer was a important part of his dynasty team. Power sweep...and you knew it was coming.....was all Kramer.
Take him away...does the Packers have the same success?
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2014 - Claude Humphrey (didn't get in in 2009 and they waste a spot on him in 2014 - SAD!)
2013 - Curly Culp (never once was on the modern candidate list for the 25 years eligible)
2012 - Dick Stanfel (did not get in and did not make it in 1993 as a sole candidate for the senior selection, right choice here too)
2011 - Both solid candidates
2010 - Floyd Little is NOT of Hall of Famer. Dick LeBeau is not a Hall of Famer as just a player. With the three Super Bowls coaching the Steelers Defense that is what got him in in conjunction with his playing.
2008 - Marshall Goldberg did not gets the votes and I agree with that, plus this was his 2nd time as a senior candidate - another wasted spot
2007 - Both solid candidates
As I went through the list of HOF classes I came across multiple players getting on the senior final spot(s) more than once. Marshall Goldberg 1979 and 2008, Lou Creekmur 1980 and got in 1996, Henry Jordan 1989 and got in 1995, lastly Dick Stanfel 1992 and 2012. I think if you don't get in as a senior candidate on your first try you don't get a second. You are just taking up spots for other worthy candidates. Now I get Creekmur and Jordan got in on their second try but hey, they should have made it on their first. But that is four spots that could have been given to someone better suited for the HOF.
Also, I look at Curly Culp in particular when I say you should not even be considered for the senior ballot is you were never ONCE on the ballot for the 20 years of eligibility. I don't think you should be given a "senior gift" if you could not crack the top 25 or so players for a 20 year run of voting. Though, this should only affect players who stopped playing after 1980.
Since 1979 there have been 11 senior spots not voted in, but in the past five years only one of the 10 spots have not made it (Stanfel 2012). What I see lately is if you are a senior candidate you ARE IN. I don't like putting in marginal players. See my list above. Moving back to one senior candidate is the way to go now because the Senior Backlog is over. Nearly every player the retired prior to the HOF opening in 1963 is in.
So, with all this said and the noted players above that got in that in my opinion are not worthy of being in the Hall Of Fame I support the Contributor and also support lowering the Senior selection to one spot.
Thoughts? Agree? Disagree? Troy, get off your soap box and get back to work?
<< <i>When are the senior nominees to be announced this year? >>
I don't know an exact date, but it should be sometime in the next 2 weeks.
Floyd LIttle was better than most people think
I have no real problem he did get in....but not escaladed over the top of guys like Tingelhoff and Howley...
"intrinsic problem is that, more so than for any other sport, football HOF voting is about how loud the people are who are championing your case. It should be about merit. Period. "
Jason Peeples used to say the same thing
What's next: hiring professional motivational speakers to plead your case????
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I'm glad they finally got it done. It's been an issue with the modern candidate voting for quite some time. While it doesn't fix the senior candidate issues, it does really help the modern candidate voting. Which will now be only players and coaches as it should be.
The senior candidate system is a totally different issue. As Jay and Andy pointed out here, those all come down to which voters are pushing which senior guys. And who has an agenda vs. so and so player. The problem is that there are WAY too few voters on the Senior Committee. Only 9 of the HOF voters even vote on the initial balloting. Then they send just 5 voters to Canton over a weekend to decide which of the 15 or so top vote getters will get the selection. In recent years they have begun to bring in a couple of HOF players to give their opinions. But again, the guys they are bringing are akin to bringing ex-Steelers players and asking if LC Greenwood is deserving...I mean, it seems more so to support a cause than to get unbiased opinions.
I spoke with Joe Delamielleure about this just a few months back at an event we were both attending. Sat and talked a good 25-30 minutes about this as well as the lack of healthy coverage ex-players receive(which BTW is sad and pathetic based on how much money the NFL is raking in). He was one of the guys that went to Canton last year. While he certainly gave very good reviews on both the players selected. He was only presented 5 options. The other options weren't any of the "top" guys mentioned above. And it seemed Guy was going to get selected no matter what or who he said was most deserving.
Bottom line, they need to improve the Senior process FIRST. Until then, I'm fine, in fact, prefer the single candidate approach for the Seniors. Because the "lobbied" selections (make no mistake lobbyists for many of these guys already exist. Letters and calls to the senior voters start WELL in advance of the new class being voted on) will continue as long as the selections are left up to such a small sampling of opinions and agendas. Its tough enough to overcome these personal voter vs. player issues in the modern vote with almost 50 voters...Its impossible to overcome bad/wrong/not well deserved selections when you leave it up to 5 guys to decide.
Jason
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<< <i>Good stuff as always Jason. Do you know when the Senior finalist will be announced? >>
Should be this week.
Jason
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<< <i>Jay G., thanks for the shout out..This is a subject near and dear to me. It's something that's been in the works for the past few years (adding the contributor category) and if someone wanted to page back in this thread, you would see us discussing it here way back when.
I'm glad they finally got it done. It's been an issue with the modern candidate voting for quite some time. While it doesn't fix the senior candidate issues, it does really help the modern candidate voting. Which will now be only players and coaches as it should be.
The senior candidate system is a totally different issue. As Jay and Andy pointed out here, those all come down to which voters are pushing which senior guys. And who has an agenda vs. so and so player. The problem is that there are WAY too few voters on the Senior Committee. Only 9 of the HOF voters even vote on the initial balloting. Then they send just 5 voters to Canton over a weekend to decide which of the 15 or so top vote getters will get the selection. In recent years they have begun to bring in a couple of HOF players to give their opinions. But again, the guys they are bringing are akin to bringing ex-Steelers players and asking if LC Greenwood is deserving...I mean, it seems more so to support a cause than to get unbiased opinions.
I spoke with Joe Delamielleure about this just a few months back at an event we were both attending. Sat and talked a good 25-30 minutes about this as well as the lack of healthy coverage ex-players receive(which BTW is sad and pathetic based on how much money the NFL is raking in). He was one of the guys that went to Canton last year. While he certainly gave very good reviews on both the players selected. He was only presented 5 options. The other options weren't any of the "top" guys mentioned above. And it seemed Guy was going to get selected no matter what or who he said was most deserving.
Bottom line, they need to improve the Senior process FIRST. Until then, I'm fine, in fact, prefer the single candidate approach for the Seniors. Because the "lobbied" selections (make no mistake lobbyists for many of these guys already exist. Letters and calls to the senior voters start WELL in advance of the new class being voted on) will continue as long as the selections are left up to such a small sampling of opinions and agendas. Its tough enough to overcome these personal voter vs. player issues in the modern vote with almost 50 voters...Its impossible to overcome bad/wrong/not well deserved selections when you leave it up to 5 guys to decide.
Jason >>
They should set it up that the HOFers can only have input on the guys they played against, and you can't vote for your teammate. Might not be a bad idea to set up some kind of pool of ex-players from each era and give them a say
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I get it, 5x All Pro and 6x Pro Bowls and played in a buch of losing Super Bowls but I just get sick and tired of the guys coming out of the wood work after 25 years of nothing. I was not following the gossip coming up to this announcement so I don't know where the others stood but I really thought it would have been one of the guys above (minus Kramer and Robinson because no voter likes these two for some reason)
I am clueless as to why he is not been inducted to the HOF. I have not seen a ton of footage of him but a handful of games and clips and in those he played like a guy who was a Pro Bowler 6 times and All Pro 5 times.
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<< <i>I am clueless as to why he is not been inducted to the HOF. I have not seen a ton of footage of him but a handful of games and clips and in those he played like a guy who was a Pro Bowler 6 times and All Pro 5 times. >>
I agree! Not to mention that Howley is still the only Super Bowl MVP from a losing team. I think he's the most glaring HOF omission, followed by Jerry Kramer. I can't argue with Tingelhoff's selection because I think he's very deserving, but Howley and Kramer should have both been inducted a looooong time ago.
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<< <i>I am clueless as to why he is not been inducted to the HOF. I have not seen a ton of footage of him but a handful of games and clips and in those he played like a guy who was a Pro Bowler 6 times and All Pro 5 times. >>
I agree! Not to mention that Howley is still the only Super Bowl MVP from a losing team. I think he's the most glaring HOF omission, followed by Jerry Kramer. I can't argue with Tingelhoff's selection because I think he's very deserving, but Howley and Kramer should have both been inducted a looooong time ago. >>
I personally think he most deserving candidate is another Packer that was a five time straight All Pro End. Lavvie Dilweg should have been in one off the first classes in 1963-1966. If you look at the All Time team from the 20's he is one of only two not in.
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