That Cobb might be miscut by the factory or trimmed. My guess is trimmed in that it is very rare for a t206 or t205 to have opposite sides that are not the same length. Regardless, it will likely not grade. So, would you like to sell it! Just kidding.
Thanks for the kind words Steve. They both have Piedmont 150 backs. I bought them today at the show in Reading, PA. I overpaid based on recent ebay sales ($275 for the pair) but you are right the colors and clarirty are really nice. The Wallace colors are just deep and blazing. It does have a crease on the bottom right corner but it is truly a really nice card.
The T206 prices were OUTRAGEOUS IMO at the show but I didn't drive an hour plus to come home empty handed
That's not a horrific price for the pair. A little more than eBay, but I think there's a bit of a premium attached to being able to inspect a card in person. And like you said, who wants to leave a show empty-handed?
Has anyone else added any cards to the registry with the back designations? I first got the error they weren't associated with the set yet, so they had to be added by the set registry group. Now, after they are added, they don't have the Pop #'s listed. Is this what everybody else is getting???
Thanks for the update. I thought it was strange the "back" type doesn't make it on the registry either. Kinda loses some impact without it. They may have to do a bunch of changes to get this where it should be.
Asp, real tough weekend for the Jackets. Just ugly. At least, Reggie Ball can be HORRIBLE for only one more game.
In reference to the POP Report and back designation POP's PSa has responded to my inquiries by stating that initially they will be posted to the regular T206 POP with a separate line for that player with a back designation. They expect at some time in the future to break those out of the regular (old) POP Report and start a new and independent listing of T206 cards POP's with back designation only. Unfortunately the rsponse was no more thorough than that and it deos beget a whole bunch more questions. It's a start I suppose. RayB
For those wondering, I sent my T205 Cobb to SGC and they graded it a 3. I thought it looked like a 4 or 5 based on what I've seen from T206's but oh well. I checked on Ebay and a PSA 3 sold for $1200 with a Peidmont back. This one's got a Polar Bear back but I'm not sure if that affect's the value any. I'm looking to sell the card. Does anyone know what a fair price I should ask for it? I'm pretty unfamiliar with stuff this old.
Steve- I would imagine in the $1,500 range or so. I think 4's are closer to $2k, with 3s closer to $1,200. I think yours is a very strong 3 for sure....
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eye appeal is incredibly important in pre war. so a card that is downgraded to a 3 because of a small crease in the back (but looks like a 4 or 5) will sell for much higher.
here are auction prices for a T205 cobb common back in the past year
Steve, IMO much like the T206's with polar bear backs, I think it can be tougher to find these in really good condition. With it having been scrap tobacco it was much easier to stain the cards, thus lowering the grades alot on what otherwise would have been higher graded cards. The Cobb you have looks to have the same issues with the staining on the front if I'm not mistaken. Here are my two with Polar bear backs, and both probably should have been 4's otherwise.
Dave, The Mullin looks great. Like Steve, I enjoy a little bit of "built in" tobacco history with my cards. The tobacco stains on PB's don't bother me in the least. RayB
That's an incredibly nice Chance for a 2. Congrats on that pick up.
I am relatively new to this set; actually I might very well be the newest player on this board, since I just started this month. Here're 4 cards that came in today's mail:
Mark (amerbbcards)
"All evil needs to triumph is for good men to do nothing."
Mark Thanks for the kind words. Welcome to the club and congratulations on your first four pickups, they are all really nice. Very crisp and present great for the grade. You have a good eye. I think one can put together an extremely nice set in the 1-4 range. There are a lot of 1's that present great but are 1's due to paper loss on the back which I can certainly live with.
As for the Chance, the only issue (other than the corners) is a crease in the upper right corner which I feel doesn't take away a bit from the card.
Yup...Major won it...I was wanting it pretty badly. I'd be interested once he gets the card to find out what the faults are with it....if there is a small crease or something on it somewhere...
<< <i>Did someone from this thread win that GORGEOUS Bobby Wallace PSA 3 last night? That card was a blazer for a 3! >>
As dave stated above, i got the card. I always hate it when the bid goes allllllllll the way up to my max bid. People should leave well enough alone and keep the auction price 20 dollars below my max bid
I'll let you know what the fault(s) is with the card when i get it. I do see staining in the front left corner and i felt either that or some slight crease not detectable via scan was the cause of the downgrade. I was thinking about bidding on the seller's cy young card, but thought the creases in the front were too detectable for me.
Here's the pic, straight from the auction, of the card
I wanted that Wallace, too. Shoulda stayed home instead of going to a lame Christmas party. Think I only ended up winning one of the cards I had my eye on last night.
i saw dave's post on the mathewson sgc 30 card (both here and in the net54 board). Searched it and found it...and bid on it three times. I already have that card, but in a PSA 3 holder. Was thinking of downgrading it, saving $50+ bucks but still retaining the eye appeal. Played chicken with the bidding till the very end...just couldnt bid it up anymore because of the wallace card coming up and another card (non T206) that will cost me a pretty penny coming up in the next few days.
The Leifield is almost always a great card, but the registration on yours, lamont, is really, really nice.
Picked up these four over the last week or so:
I'm happy to have landed my 10th Hindu, even though the front of the Isbell is a bit marked up. The Thebo's my favorite new addition, though, thanks to the sliver of text at the top. I guess I may be in the minority, but I love miscut T206's.
That Wallace 3 for $93 has to be the bargain of the day.
I'm used to searching high and low, constantly watching, searching, hoping one card from a set I'm building will pop up. The multitude of T206s available for my purchasing pleasure is just absolutely mind boggling! I feel like a kid in a candystore!
Mark (amerbbcards)
"All evil needs to triumph is for good men to do nothing."
<< <i>steve...are all these raw pickups from ebay??? >>
Nah, all low-grade stuff that I deslabbed. I think the best grade was an SGC 30 on the Thebo. The Bresnahan was a 20, Isbell a generous GAI 1.5 and a the Pfiester a lenient PSA 2. (Actually, a 2's probably a better grade than a 1 for it, but I've logged it as "fair" in the Excel file I use to keep track of my stuff.) Assuming it's not actually trimmed, I'm surprised the card didn't get rejected as miscut since you can kinda see how the right edge is uneven.
<< <i>That Wallace 3 for $93 has to be the bargain of the day.
I'm used to searching high and low, constantly watching, searching, hoping one card from a set I'm building will pop up. The multitude of T206s available for my purchasing pleasure is just absolutely mind boggling! I feel like a kid in a candystore! >>
I paid $130 for a Wallace 3 at the Reading show a few weeks ago. It's really nice but I think the $93 one is just as nice. I knew I was overpaying but like I said before I wasn't leaving empty handed and that was the best deal I could negotiate.
I agree about the multitude of T206's. That's a big reason I only buy PSA cards (being able to track what I have on the registry is the biggest reason). It allows me to "thin the herd" so to speak. If I bought GAI and SGC cards too I'd be living in a cardboard box.
<< <i>The multitude of T206s available for my purchasing pleasure is just absolutely mind boggling! I feel like a kid in a candystore! >>
You're right...relative to a lot of other T and E cards, T206 is pretty plentiful. But, let's take a few things into consideration
-The set is the largest pre war set by a very large margin. Even collecting this set at PSA 2 (minus big 4) needs a bit of cash in the bank (for the "average" collector). -Though there is plenty supply...there is plenty demand....especially in the PSA 3-4-5 territory. I dont know about a lot of collectors here, but i started out collecting 3's and 4's....but have been priced out of that territory. I pursued the wallace PSA 3 because i felt it looked undergraded (based solely on aesthetics). -There are so many ways to collect T206...it's nearly limitless!!
I respect and understand why collectors dont want to pursue a T206 set (not scarce enough, the set will never really be complete because of the big 4 [unless you have enough money to get these cards]), but like the sirens in the story of odysseus, this iconic set has far too many appealing characterstics (and challenges!) to lure even the more hardened collectors. I'm glad you made the jump. Even though it's one more competitor in the T206 market...it's one more collector to share the pains, challenges and joys of collecting the monster. Hope you find all of us here useful in your endeavors!
<< <i> It allows me to "thin the herd" so to speak. If I bought GAI and SGC cards too I'd be living in a cardboard box. >>
I've seen quite a few cases where GAI cards were actually going under average realized auction prices. GAI seems to slipping in the pre war market as their cards were actually pretty strong just a few months ago.
One can get deals on GAI cards, but their grading at the level of cards we all seem to be collecting is easily the most lax. I have no idea how their business is faring, but based on the public perception of their company and its services, I have to wonder if they'll even last.
<< <i>One can get deals on GAI cards, but their grading at the level of cards we all seem to be collecting is easily the most lax. I have no idea how their business is faring, but based on the public perception of their company and its services, I have to wonder if they'll even last. >>
How true, Unfortunately.
W.C.Fields "I spent 50% of my money on alcohol, women, and gambling. The other half I wasted.
<< <i>One can get deals on GAI cards, but their grading at the level of cards we all seem to be collecting is easily the most lax. I have no idea how their business is faring, but based on the public perception of their company and its services, I have to wonder if they'll even last. >>
How true, Unfortunately. >>
Ditto - GAI cards are maybe one cut above raw. I narrow my field to PSA and SGC.
Mark (amerbbcards)
"All evil needs to triumph is for good men to do nothing."
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<< <i>O/T......but, for the guys here that are also over on the "other' site....isn't this much more pleasant lately here? lol >>
No doubt. I rarely post there but read it every few days and lately...
The T206 prices were OUTRAGEOUS IMO at the show but I didn't drive an hour plus to come home empty handed
I experienced the same thing. I'll email Cosetta this morning to find out what PSA is doing to fix this and get the poop on the POP's.
Has anyone heard anything about how the POP Report will be structured regarding this set yet?
RayB
Fellow Yellow Jacket here in Atlanta area....bad time to be saying that though
Thanks for the update. I thought it was strange the "back" type doesn't make it on the registry either. Kinda loses some impact without it. They may have to do a bunch of changes to get this where it should be.
Asp, real tough weekend for the Jackets. Just ugly. At least, Reggie Ball can be HORRIBLE for only one more game.
DD
Curious if you have been able to find anything out dealing with the new backs and the pop report.....
They expect at some time in the future to break those out of the regular (old) POP Report and start a new and independent listing of T206 cards POP's with back designation only.
Unfortunately the rsponse was no more thorough than that and it deos beget a whole bunch more questions.
It's a start I suppose.
RayB
Great eye appeal on those low graders! That's a killer Cy Young card!!
Congrats!
RayB
Another Chase:
I don't know why this is only a 3:
here are auction prices for a T205 cobb common back in the past year
$1,280.00
$1,250.00
$1,402.10
$1,329.90
$1,380.00
$968.00
Source: vintagecardprices.com
IMO much like the T206's with polar bear backs, I think it can be tougher to find these in really good condition. With it having been scrap tobacco it was much easier to stain the cards, thus lowering the grades alot on what otherwise would have been higher graded cards. The Cobb you have looks to have the same issues with the staining on the front if I'm not mistaken. Here are my two with Polar bear backs, and both probably should have been 4's otherwise.
As for Polar Bears, I actually love tobacco staining. Better yet if there's still bits of tobacco.
The Mullin looks great.
Like Steve, I enjoy a little bit of "built in" tobacco history with my cards. The tobacco stains on PB's don't bother me in the least.
RayB
can someone give me a pop report for Tris Speaker? thanks
1-2's 85
3-4's 122
5's 58
6's 45
7's 26
7's with Q 1
8's 12
9's 1.........whoever owns this one I have a wife for trade...
Nothing special but a nice clean Old Mill back:
I am relatively new to this set; actually I might very well be the newest player on this board, since I just started this month.
Here're 4 cards that came in today's mail:
"All evil needs to triumph is for good men to do nothing."
Thanks for the kind words. Welcome to the club and congratulations on your first four pickups, they are all really nice. Very crisp and present great for the grade. You have a good eye. I think one can put together an extremely nice set in the 1-4 range. There are a lot of 1's that present great but are 1's due to paper loss on the back which I can certainly live with.
As for the Chance, the only issue (other than the corners) is a crease in the upper right corner which I feel doesn't take away a bit from the card.
Looking forward to seeing more scans.
Regards,
Scott
<< <i>Did someone from this thread win that GORGEOUS Bobby Wallace PSA 3 last night? That card was a blazer for a 3! >>
As dave stated above, i got the card. I always hate it when the bid goes allllllllll the way up to my max bid. People should leave well enough alone and keep the auction price 20 dollars below my max bid
I'll let you know what the fault(s) is with the card when i get it. I do see staining in the front left corner and i felt either that or some slight crease not detectable via scan was the cause of the downgrade. I was thinking about bidding on the seller's cy young card, but thought the creases in the front were too detectable for me.
Here's the pic, straight from the auction, of the card
Picked up these four over the last week or so:
I'm happy to have landed my 10th Hindu, even though the front of the Isbell is a bit marked up. The Thebo's my favorite new addition, though, thanks to the sliver of text at the top. I guess I may be in the minority, but I love miscut T206's.
Thanks for the compliments and congrats on the hindu and AB back. Those are two that have eluded me so far. I hope to get one of each soon.
Here's my first Cycle back thanks to RayB:
I'm used to searching high and low, constantly watching, searching, hoping one card from a set I'm building will pop up. The multitude of T206s available for my purchasing pleasure is just absolutely mind boggling! I feel like a kid in a candystore!
"All evil needs to triumph is for good men to do nothing."
<< <i>steve...are all these raw pickups from ebay??? >>
Nah, all low-grade stuff that I deslabbed. I think the best grade was an SGC 30 on the Thebo. The Bresnahan was a 20, Isbell a generous GAI 1.5 and a the Pfiester a lenient PSA 2. (Actually, a 2's probably a better grade than a 1 for it, but I've logged it as "fair" in the Excel file I use to keep track of my stuff.) Assuming it's not actually trimmed, I'm surprised the card didn't get rejected as miscut since you can kinda see how the right edge is uneven.
<< <i>That Wallace 3 for $93 has to be the bargain of the day.
I'm used to searching high and low, constantly watching, searching, hoping one card from a set I'm building will pop up. The multitude of T206s available for my purchasing pleasure is just absolutely mind boggling! I feel like a kid in a candystore! >>
I paid $130 for a Wallace 3 at the Reading show a few weeks ago. It's really nice but I think the $93 one is just as nice. I knew I was overpaying but like I said before I wasn't leaving empty handed and that was the best deal I could negotiate.
I agree about the multitude of T206's. That's a big reason I only buy PSA cards (being able to track what I have on the registry is the biggest reason). It allows me to "thin the herd" so to speak. If I bought GAI and SGC cards too I'd be living in a cardboard box.
<< <i>The multitude of T206s available for my purchasing pleasure is just absolutely mind boggling! I feel like a kid in a candystore! >>
You're right...relative to a lot of other T and E cards, T206 is pretty plentiful. But, let's take a few things into consideration
-The set is the largest pre war set by a very large margin. Even collecting this set at PSA 2 (minus big 4) needs a bit of cash in the bank (for the "average" collector).
-Though there is plenty supply...there is plenty demand....especially in the PSA 3-4-5 territory. I dont know about a lot of collectors here, but i started out collecting 3's and 4's....but have been priced out of that territory. I pursued the wallace PSA 3 because i felt it looked undergraded (based solely on aesthetics).
-There are so many ways to collect T206...it's nearly limitless!!
I respect and understand why collectors dont want to pursue a T206 set (not scarce enough, the set will never really be complete because of the big 4 [unless you have enough money to get these cards]), but like the sirens in the story of odysseus, this iconic set has far too many appealing characterstics (and challenges!) to lure even the more hardened collectors. I'm glad you made the jump. Even though it's one more competitor in the T206 market...it's one more collector to share the pains, challenges and joys of collecting the monster. Hope you find all of us here useful in your endeavors!
<< <i> It allows me to "thin the herd" so to speak. If I bought GAI and SGC cards too I'd be living in a cardboard box. >>
I've seen quite a few cases where GAI cards were actually going under average realized auction prices. GAI seems to slipping in the pre war market as their cards were actually pretty strong just a few months ago.
<< <i>One can get deals on GAI cards, but their grading at the level of cards we all seem to be collecting is easily the most lax. I have no idea how their business is faring, but based on the public perception of their company and its services, I have to wonder if they'll even last. >>
How true, Unfortunately.
"I spent 50% of my money on alcohol, women, and gambling. The other half I wasted.
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<< <i>One can get deals on GAI cards, but their grading at the level of cards we all seem to be collecting is easily the most lax. I have no idea how their business is faring, but based on the public perception of their company and its services, I have to wonder if they'll even last. >>
How true, Unfortunately. >>
Ditto - GAI cards are maybe one cut above raw. I narrow my field to PSA and SGC.
"All evil needs to triumph is for good men to do nothing."