@M4Madness said:
I have no idea if there are any missing medals or not, but if there are, couldn't there also be missing privies? Is there any proof that 1794 privies have been released and accounted for?
That is part of the argument that they did indeed mint the limit
If there are privys not struck then they are falsely advertising 1794. If the 1794 are struck but the max is 50,000, then the big buyers got a larger proportion of privys then at a 75000 max.
That would not lead to future confidence of obtaining lottery type privys by single buyers.
Actually, the smaller buyers would also have gotten a higher percentage. The advance buyers could even have gotten a smaller number if they figured it out of 75,000 not 50,000.
@coiner said:
I bet they will have some for Sale in Baltimore in two weeks
And I bet they won't. Not unless they are available, in quantity, on the web.
Which will never happen, unless they actually announce that they are dumping another 25K without privys on the market. In which case no one will want them. No one. Not even you, because there will no flip in them. None.
You say that now, because they are going for more on eBay. How many other over priced silver rounds have you picked up from the Mint over the past few years that did not immediately sell out?
But he bought the one that he purchased before it sold out (obviously), so he has already done that.
If the mint had a fresh supply (not returns) then I'd buy one. I was on the fence the first time around, but after seeing all the in-hand photos I'd probably pull the trigger if there was a second round.
No. Before it sold out, everyone was playing the lottery. No lottery this time around, if, in fact, 25K are sitting around unsold. Because you can be sure the dealers already got their hands on those privys. No way the Mint "forgot" to send those out.
If there were actually another 25K with privys, with no HHLs, it would be total chaos. Never gonna happen. Never. Everything they have up to this point was designed to avoid just that. Which is why I am 99.9% sure the 25K are gone, and are just not appearing in the report.
The only reason I am allowing for the 0.1% chance they are not is due to the mysteriously round number. But nothing about those 25K not being sold and gone makes sense, so I still can't get there.
Your "no" is patently incorrect, atleast in my case. If new (not returns) medals are offered, I will likely buy one without regard to the privy lottery.
@M4Madness said:
I have no idea if there are any missing medals or not, but if there are, couldn't there also be missing privies? Is there any proof that 1794 privies have been released and accounted for?
That is part of the argument that they did indeed mint the limit
If there are privys not struck then they are falsely advertising 1794. If the 1794 are struck but the max is 50,000, then the big buyers got a larger proportion of privys then at a 75000 max.
That would not lead to future confidence of obtaining lottery type privys by single buyers.
Actually, the smaller buyers would also have gotten a higher percentage. The advance buyers could even have gotten a smaller number if they figured it out of 75,000 not 50,000.
Yes, everyone would benefit from the same higher percentage. But only people allowed to buy in bulk (dealers) would benefit by receiving a guaranteed higher allocation.
By the way, the fact that 9K+ went to ABPP REALLY signals that they did not only make 50K.
@coiner said:
I bet they will have some for Sale in Baltimore in two weeks
And I bet they won't. Not unless they are available, in quantity, on the web.
Which will never happen, unless they actually announce that they are dumping another 25K without privys on the market. In which case no one will want them. No one. Not even you, because there will no flip in them. None.
You say that now, because they are going for more on eBay. How many other over priced silver rounds have you picked up from the Mint over the past few years that did not immediately sell out?
But he bought the one that he purchased before it sold out (obviously), so he has already done that.
If the mint had a fresh supply (not returns) then I'd buy one. I was on the fence the first time around, but after seeing all the in-hand photos I'd probably pull the trigger if there was a second round.
No. Before it sold out, everyone was playing the lottery. No lottery this time around, if, in fact, 25K are sitting around unsold. Because you can be sure the dealers already got their hands on those privys. No way the Mint "forgot" to send those out.
If there were actually another 25K with privys, with no HHLs, it would be total chaos. Never gonna happen. Never. Everything they have up to this point was designed to avoid just that. Which is why I am 99.9% sure the 25K are gone, and are just not appearing in the report.
The only reason I am allowing for the 0.1% chance they are not is due to the mysteriously round number. But nothing about those 25K not being sold and gone makes sense, so I still can't get there.
Your "no" is patently incorrect, atleast in my case. If new (not returns) medals are offered, I will likely buy one without regard to the privy lottery.
Again, sorry you missed the lottery, but 75K are ultimately going to be available for purchase. You'll almost certainly be able to get as many as you want, in OGP or in the slab of your choice, at prices significantly below where they are today. Other than the privys, which will obviously follow a different path.
@coiner said:
I bet they will have some for Sale in Baltimore in two weeks
And I bet they won't. Not unless they are available, in quantity, on the web.
Which will never happen, unless they actually announce that they are dumping another 25K without privys on the market. In which case no one will want them. No one. Not even you, because there will no flip in them. None.
You say that now, because they are going for more on eBay. How many other over priced silver rounds have you picked up from the Mint over the past few years that did not immediately sell out?
But he bought the one that he purchased before it sold out (obviously), so he has already done that.
If the mint had a fresh supply (not returns) then I'd buy one. I was on the fence the first time around, but after seeing all the in-hand photos I'd probably pull the trigger if there was a second round.
No. Before it sold out, everyone was playing the lottery. No lottery this time around, if, in fact, 25K are sitting around unsold. Because you can be sure the dealers already got their hands on those privys. No way the Mint "forgot" to send those out.
If there were actually another 25K with privys, with no HHLs, it would be total chaos. Never gonna happen. Never. Everything they have up to this point was designed to avoid just that. Which is why I am 99.9% sure the 25K are gone, and are just not appearing in the report.
The only reason I am allowing for the 0.1% chance they are not is due to the mysteriously round number. But nothing about those 25K not being sold and gone makes sense, so I still can't get there.
Your "no" is patently incorrect, atleast in my case. If new (not returns) medals are offered, I will likely buy one without regard to the privy lottery.
Again, sorry you missed the lottery, but 75K are ultimately going to be available for purchase. You'll almost certainly be able to get as many as you want, in OGP or in the slab of your choice, at prices significantly below where they are today. Other than the privys, which will obviously follow a different path.
For someone who writes such long posts I'd think you'd be able to read other responses accurately.
My potential purchase would not be with any lottery in mind. I would only be looking for the regular medal. I did not "miss" anything.
As for the secondary market, I think I made it pretty clear I was only interested in fresh OGP from the mint.
None of this may matter to you, but it matters to me, so there's no need for you to tell me I'm wrong about what I want or don't want.
@M4Madness said:
I have no idea if there are any missing medals or not, but if there are, couldn't there also be missing privies? Is there any proof that 1794 privies have been released and accounted for?
That is part of the argument that they did indeed mint the limit
If there are privys not struck then they are falsely advertising 1794. If the 1794 are struck but the max is 50,000, then the big buyers got a larger proportion of privys then at a 75000 max.
That would not lead to future confidence of obtaining lottery type privys by single buyers.
Actually, the smaller buyers would also have gotten a higher percentage. The advance buyers could even have gotten a smaller number if they figured it out of 75,000 not 50,000.
Yes, everyone would benefit from the same higher percentage. But only people allowed to buy in bulk (dealers) would benefit by receiving a guaranteed higher allocation.
By the way, the fact that 9K+ went to ABPP REALLY signals that they did not only make 50K.
No. It does not. The ABPP numbers are based on the max mintage.
It'll be 5 years from now and you'll still be claiming that there's a 25k database error.
@jwitten said:
NJ: “no one would buy another at $104 knowing it’s not a privy.”
Two people already: “we would”
NJ: “lies! I’m right you’re wrong”
😂😂
No, I'm not saying that.
I'm just saying talk is cheap, and saying you'd buy something at a price significantly below where it is currently offered costs nothing, and is consequently meaningless.
If 25K suddenly become available at $104 with no lottery, and remain available indefinitely, THEN come back, tell me how many you bought, and how wrong I am.
@coiner said:
I bet they will have some for Sale in Baltimore in two weeks
And I bet they won't. Not unless they are available, in quantity, on the web.
Which will never happen, unless they actually announce that they are dumping another 25K without privys on the market. In which case no one will want them. No one. Not even you, because there will no flip in them. None.
You say that now, because they are going for more on eBay. How many other over priced silver rounds have you picked up from the Mint over the past few years that did not immediately sell out?
But he bought the one that he purchased before it sold out (obviously), so he has already done that.
If the mint had a fresh supply (not returns) then I'd buy one. I was on the fence the first time around, but after seeing all the in-hand photos I'd probably pull the trigger if there was a second round.
No. Before it sold out, everyone was playing the lottery. No lottery this time around, if, in fact, 25K are sitting around unsold. Because you can be sure the dealers already got their hands on those privys. No way the Mint "forgot" to send those out.
If there were actually another 25K with privys, with no HHLs, it would be total chaos. Never gonna happen. Never. Everything they have up to this point was designed to avoid just that. Which is why I am 99.9% sure the 25K are gone, and are just not appearing in the report.
The only reason I am allowing for the 0.1% chance they are not is due to the mysteriously round number. But nothing about those 25K not being sold and gone makes sense, so I still can't get there.
Your "no" is patently incorrect, atleast in my case. If new (not returns) medals are offered, I will likely buy one without regard to the privy lottery.
Again, sorry you missed the lottery, but 75K are ultimately going to be available for purchase. You'll almost certainly be able to get as many as you want, in OGP or in the slab of your choice, at prices significantly below where they are today. Other than the privys, which will obviously follow a different path.
For someone who writes such long posts I'd think you'd be able to read other responses accurately.
My potential purchase would not be with any lottery in mind. I would only be looking for the regular medal. I did not "miss" anything.
As for the secondary market, I think I made it pretty clear I was only interested in fresh OGP from the mint.
None of this may matter to you, but it matters to me, so there's no need for you to tell me I'm wrong about what I want or don't want.
I understand. Sorry I wasn't clear. I get you want fresh product. I thought you meant that you missed the 24 hour window we all had, with a lottery kicker.
What did I miss, if you indeed wanted fresh product? That you only want something AFTER it is unavailable, and have no interest in free lotteries? Because images of Advance Release product were widely available prior to 12:01 p.m. on 10/16, so where were you than?
@M4Madness said:
I have no idea if there are any missing medals or not, but if there are, couldn't there also be missing privies? Is there any proof that 1794 privies have been released and accounted for?
That is part of the argument that they did indeed mint the limit
If there are privys not struck then they are falsely advertising 1794. If the 1794 are struck but the max is 50,000, then the big buyers got a larger proportion of privys then at a 75000 max.
That would not lead to future confidence of obtaining lottery type privys by single buyers.
Actually, the smaller buyers would also have gotten a higher percentage. The advance buyers could even have gotten a smaller number if they figured it out of 75,000 not 50,000.
Yes, everyone would benefit from the same higher percentage. But only people allowed to buy in bulk (dealers) would benefit by receiving a guaranteed higher allocation.
By the way, the fact that 9K+ went to ABPP REALLY signals that they did not only make 50K.
No. It does not. The ABPP numbers are based on the max mintage.
It'll be 5 years from now and you'll still be claiming that there's a 25k database error.
Yes, if it's never resolved one way or the other. If Coin World reports only 50K were sold, with 10K going to ABPP and whatever going to regular bulk purchasers, I'll be done. If 25K, with or without privy, show up on the web in the next few weeks, I'll be done.
Otherwise, like Linus in the Pumpkin Patch, I'll be waiting for a sales report revision for as long as it takes. I doubt it will take 5 years to get a final answer, but I'll wait as long as it takes. And keep insisting that it has to be a database error until shown otherwise. Because, if it does turn out to be a database error, it would be the first one ever, right? 😀
I get ABPP is based on max mintage. I don't get that the Mint knows ahead of time that it's not going to make the max available, whether or not it actually can sell that many, and yet makes what turns out to be almost 20% of what they intend to sell available to ABPP, before even taking into account regular bulk purchasers.
ESPECIALLY when they come with a lucrative lottery kicker. It will be nothing short of a scandal if that actually turns out to be the case.
So, yeah, feel free to keep going with me on this. It's only going to make it that much better when that sales report is revised upward.
@coiner said:
I bet they will have some for Sale in Baltimore in two weeks
And I bet they won't. Not unless they are available, in quantity, on the web.
Which will never happen, unless they actually announce that they are dumping another 25K without privys on the market. In which case no one will want them. No one. Not even you, because there will no flip in them. None.
You say that now, because they are going for more on eBay. How many other over priced silver rounds have you picked up from the Mint over the past few years that did not immediately sell out?
But he bought the one that he purchased before it sold out (obviously), so he has already done that.
If the mint had a fresh supply (not returns) then I'd buy one. I was on the fence the first time around, but after seeing all the in-hand photos I'd probably pull the trigger if there was a second round.
No. Before it sold out, everyone was playing the lottery. No lottery this time around, if, in fact, 25K are sitting around unsold. Because you can be sure the dealers already got their hands on those privys. No way the Mint "forgot" to send those out.
If there were actually another 25K with privys, with no HHLs, it would be total chaos. Never gonna happen. Never. Everything they have up to this point was designed to avoid just that. Which is why I am 99.9% sure the 25K are gone, and are just not appearing in the report.
The only reason I am allowing for the 0.1% chance they are not is due to the mysteriously round number. But nothing about those 25K not being sold and gone makes sense, so I still can't get there.
Your "no" is patently incorrect, atleast in my case. If new (not returns) medals are offered, I will likely buy one without regard to the privy lottery.
Again, sorry you missed the lottery, but 75K are ultimately going to be available for purchase. You'll almost certainly be able to get as many as you want, in OGP or in the slab of your choice, at prices significantly below where they are today. Other than the privys, which will obviously follow a different path.
For someone who writes such long posts I'd think you'd be able to read other responses accurately.
My potential purchase would not be with any lottery in mind. I would only be looking for the regular medal. I did not "miss" anything.
As for the secondary market, I think I made it pretty clear I was only interested in fresh OGP from the mint.
None of this may matter to you, but it matters to me, so there's no need for you to tell me I'm wrong about what I want or don't want.
I understand. Sorry I wasn't clear. I get you want fresh product. I thought you meant that you missed the 24 hour window we all had, with a lottery kicker.
What did I miss, if you indeed wanted fresh product? That you only want something AFTER it is unavailable, and have no interest in free lotteries? Because images of Advance Release product were widely available prior to 12:01 p.m. on 10/16, so where were you than?
I clearly said that I was on the fence prior to sale date, and that I ultimately did not pull the trigger. Once I saw in-hand photos here on the forum I started to think I might reconsider if another ordering window opened.
The mint's illustrations and various glamor shots didn't cause me to reconsider. It was the real-life photos from members here.
@M4Madness said:
I have no idea if there are any missing medals or not, but if there are, couldn't there also be missing privies? Is there any proof that 1794 privies have been released and accounted for?
That is part of the argument that they did indeed mint the limit
If there are privys not struck then they are falsely advertising 1794. If the 1794 are struck but the max is 50,000, then the big buyers got a larger proportion of privys then at a 75000 max.
That would not lead to future confidence of obtaining lottery type privys by single buyers.
Actually, the smaller buyers would also have gotten a higher percentage. The advance buyers could even have gotten a smaller number if they figured it out of 75,000 not 50,000.
The advance buyers got multiple privys guarranteed if random. Multiple privys is multiple thousands that would apply to average cost. They already get a volume discount
The regular retail buyer could only buy 1. Most likely little chance to acquire a privy.
Smart play by the big guys if they swooped in. Big ifs though we don't know.
@M4Madness said:
I have no idea if there are any missing medals or not, but if there are, couldn't there also be missing privies? Is there any proof that 1794 privies have been released and accounted for?
That is part of the argument that they did indeed mint the limit
If there are privys not struck then they are falsely advertising 1794. If the 1794 are struck but the max is 50,000, then the big buyers got a larger proportion of privys then at a 75000 max.
That would not lead to future confidence of obtaining lottery type privys by single buyers.
Actually, the smaller buyers would also have gotten a higher percentage. The advance buyers could even have gotten a smaller number if they figured it out of 75,000 not 50,000.
The advance buyers got multiple privys guarranteed if random. Multiple privys is multiple thousands that would apply to average cost. They already get a volume discount
The regular retail buyer could only buy 1. Most likely little chance to acquire a privy.
Smart play by the big guys if they swooped in. Big ifs though we don't know.
Advance buyers do not get a discount. They pay 10% over issue price and have to pick them up at the Mint themselves.
Yes, the ABPP buyers would get 2 to 3.5% of the privys. But their cumulative odds are no higher than our cumulative odds.
Multiple people have literally said that yes, they would buy another if 25,000 magically became available and you were guaranteed to not get a privy at the issue price. Including me. For you to tell us we are lying and that literally zero more would be sold is absolutely insane. How the heck can you be so wrong on so many things? Makes me wonder if you’re really just trolling us at this point.
@jwitten said:
NJ: “no one would buy another at $104 knowing it’s not a privy.”
Two people already: “we would”
NJ: “lies! I’m right you’re wrong”
😂😂
No, I'm not saying that.
I'm just saying talk is cheap, and saying you'd buy something at a price significantly below where it is currently offered costs nothing, and is consequently meaningless.
If 25K suddenly become available at $104 with no lottery, and remain available indefinitely, THEN come back, tell me how many you bought, and how wrong I am.
@jwitten said:
Multiple people have literally said that yes, they would buy another if 25,000 magically became available and you were guaranteed to not get a privy at the issue price. Including me. For you to tell us we are lying and that literally zero more would be sold is absolutely insane. How the heck can you be so wrong on so many things? Makes me wonder if you’re really just trolling us at this point.
@jwitten said:
NJ: “no one would buy another at $104 knowing it’s not a privy.”
Two people already: “we would”
NJ: “lies! I’m right you’re wrong”
😂😂
No, I'm not saying that.
I'm just saying talk is cheap, and saying you'd buy something at a price significantly below where it is currently offered costs nothing, and is consequently meaningless.
If 25K suddenly become available at $104 with no lottery, and remain available indefinitely, THEN come back, tell me how many you bought, and how wrong I am.
@coiner said:
I bet they will have some for Sale in Baltimore in two weeks
And I bet they won't. Not unless they are available, in quantity, on the web.
Which will never happen, unless they actually announce that they are dumping another 25K without privys on the market. In which case no one will want them. No one. Not even you, because there will no flip in them. None.
You say that now, because they are going for more on eBay. How many other over priced silver rounds have you picked up from the Mint over the past few years that did not immediately sell out?
But he bought the one that he purchased before it sold out (obviously), so he has already done that.
If the mint had a fresh supply (not returns) then I'd buy one. I was on the fence the first time around, but after seeing all the in-hand photos I'd probably pull the trigger if there was a second round.
No. Before it sold out, everyone was playing the lottery. No lottery this time around, if, in fact, 25K are sitting around unsold. Because you can be sure the dealers already got their hands on those privys. No way the Mint "forgot" to send those out.
If there were actually another 25K with privys, with no HHLs, it would be total chaos. Never gonna happen. Never. Everything they have up to this point was designed to avoid just that. Which is why I am 99.9% sure the 25K are gone, and are just not appearing in the report.
The only reason I am allowing for the 0.1% chance they are not is due to the mysteriously round number. But nothing about those 25K not being sold and gone makes sense, so I still can't get there.
Your "no" is patently incorrect, atleast in my case. If new (not returns) medals are offered, I will likely buy one without regard to the privy lottery.
Again, sorry you missed the lottery, but 75K are ultimately going to be available for purchase. You'll almost certainly be able to get as many as you want, in OGP or in the slab of your choice, at prices significantly below where they are today. Other than the privys, which will obviously follow a different path.
For someone who writes such long posts I'd think you'd be able to read other responses accurately.
My potential purchase would not be with any lottery in mind. I would only be looking for the regular medal. I did not "miss" anything.
As for the secondary market, I think I made it pretty clear I was only interested in fresh OGP from the mint.
None of this may matter to you, but it matters to me, so there's no need for you to tell me I'm wrong about what I want or don't want.
I understand. Sorry I wasn't clear. I get you want fresh product. I thought you meant that you missed the 24 hour window we all had, with a lottery kicker.
What did I miss, if you indeed wanted fresh product? That you only want something AFTER it is unavailable, and have no interest in free lotteries? Because images of Advance Release product were widely available prior to 12:01 p.m. on 10/16, so where were you than?
I clearly said that I was on the fence prior to sale date, and that I ultimately did not pull the trigger. Once I saw in-hand photos here on the forum I started to think I might reconsider if another ordering window opened.
The mint's illustrations and various glamor shots didn't cause me to reconsider. It was the real-life photos from members here.
It really isn't complicated.
Fair enough. And again, all I said was that I was sorry that you missed it. And, I'm trying to tell you that I think you'll have another chance, because I think prices are going to come down.
Finally, I'm saying that if 25K without privys are suddenly made available, that you should think again. Because, if current pricing only reflects 50K being out and about, and if 25K are made available without the accompanying lottery ticket, they will NEVER sell out. And a one ounce silver medal with 50K in the market, and 25K available on a government website, are no-how, no-way going to be worth $104 with silver trading at $34 an ounce.
@M4Madness said:
I have no idea if there are any missing medals or not, but if there are, couldn't there also be missing privies? Is there any proof that 1794 privies have been released and accounted for?
That is part of the argument that they did indeed mint the limit
If there are privys not struck then they are falsely advertising 1794. If the 1794 are struck but the max is 50,000, then the big buyers got a larger proportion of privys then at a 75000 max.
That would not lead to future confidence of obtaining lottery type privys by single buyers.
Actually, the smaller buyers would also have gotten a higher percentage. The advance buyers could even have gotten a smaller number if they figured it out of 75,000 not 50,000.
The advance buyers got multiple privys guarranteed if random. Multiple privys is multiple thousands that would apply to average cost. They already get a volume discount
The regular retail buyer could only buy 1. Most likely little chance to acquire a privy.
Smart play by the big guys if they swooped in. Big ifs though we don't know.
Advance buyers do not get a discount. They pay 10% over issue price and have to pick them up at the Mint themselves.
Yes, the ABPP buyers would get 2 to 3.5% of the privys. But their cumulative odds are no higher than our cumulative odds.
Yes, true. But they had a a guarantee. No one else, other than bulk buyers, did. And very few retail buyers, such as @coiner, had an opportunity to pick up 50+ in the minute before they went unavailable on 10/16.
@jwitten said:
Multiple people have literally said that yes, they would buy another if 25,000 magically became available and you were guaranteed to not get a privy at the issue price. Including me. For you to tell us we are lying and that literally zero more would be sold is absolutely insane. How the heck can you be so wrong on so many things? Makes me wonder if you’re really just trolling us at this point.
@jwitten said:
NJ: “no one would buy another at $104 knowing it’s not a privy.”
Two people already: “we would”
NJ: “lies! I’m right you’re wrong”
😂😂
No, I'm not saying that.
I'm just saying talk is cheap, and saying you'd buy something at a price significantly below where it is currently offered costs nothing, and is consequently meaningless.
If 25K suddenly become available at $104 with no lottery, and remain available indefinitely, THEN come back, tell me how many you bought, and how wrong I am.
Because you are taking me literally. Of course they will not sell "ZERO" if they put them back on sale, with 25K available at $104 with no privys. What I LITERALLY meant is that those 25K will NEVER sell out until the Mint pulls them years from now, and they will be widely available in the market for less than $104.
If you would want to then pay a premium for a "fresh" one, that would certainly be your call. But it would not be a popular or widespread one, as evidenced by the fact that we all saw 50K sell out in a day, while I think the remaining 25K would never sell out without a lottery.
But this is all moot, because, regardless of whether or not you think I am "so wrong on so many things," I am pretty sure that the missing 25K have indeed already been sold. Which would mean anyone not already in totally missed their shot at a fresh one, anywhere, at any price, unless they would want to play the secondary market lottery and pay the price for a sealed package on eBay.
Shh.... you'll get him going again. We just got him down for his nap.
Pretty sure we both agree 25K that have not yet been produced are never going to be produced. No?
So I was going to ignore @MsMorrisine, but I simply can't ignore you, since you had to respond. 😀
I think it's unlikely they will make the extra 25,000 anytime soon (if they are not made). I don't think it's impossible they will make some more at some point depending on other priorities.
@MsMorrisine said:
medals can be struck at anytime, but with a 2024 date showing i'm sure they'd rather strike them all in 2024
Yes. I understand. My point, which I have now stated repeatedly, is that if they actually were not made, and if they actually ever had any intention of making them, they would have been placed on Back Order rather than going Unavailable.
Shh.... you'll get him going again. We just got him down for his nap.
Pretty sure we both agree 25K that have not yet been produced are never going to be produced. No?
So I was going to ignore @MsMorrisine, but I simply can't ignore you, since you had to respond. 😀
I think it's unlikely they will make the extra 25,000 anytime soon (if they are not made). I don't think it's impossible they will make some more at some point depending on other priorities.
Fair enough. I happen to think it is "impossible." They will either show up on a future sales report, putting the issue to rest, or Coin World or some similar outlet will report they are not going to be made, which will only lead to other issues.
That cryptic press release regarding an auction of gold coins leads to the strong possibility that some silver medals might have been held back for inclusion in that. But that number would likely be up to several hundred, not several tens of thousands.
Figures place the medal, which celebrates the anniversary of the first dollar coin issued by the U.S. federal government, at a combined total of 49,925 — about two-thirds of the announced 75,000 mintage. Breaking it down, 40,999 were sold individually, while 8,926 went through the Mint’s Authorized Bulk Purchase Program (ABPP).
There’s no official word yet on whether the remaining one-third of the originally announced 75,000 mintage will be available. Currently, the Mint’s product page features a "Learn More" link with the standard statement:
"We are currently out of this item, but more may be available later. If you provide your email address or cell number using the “REMIND ME” button, you will receive any back-in-stock messages we send related to this product."
Seems this answers a few things.
The outstanding question is, are all of the privy's issued or were they issued proportionately?
@M4Madness said:
I have no idea if there are any missing medals or not, but if there are, couldn't there also be missing privies? Is there any proof that 1794 privies have been released and accounted for?
That is part of the argument that they did indeed mint the limit
If there are privys not struck then they are falsely advertising 1794. If the 1794 are struck but the max is 50,000, then the big buyers got a larger proportion of privys then at a 75000 max.
That would not lead to future confidence of obtaining lottery type privys by single buyers.
Actually, the smaller buyers would also have gotten a higher percentage. The advance buyers could even have gotten a smaller number if they figured it out of 75,000 not 50,000.
Yes, everyone would benefit from the same higher percentage. But only people allowed to buy in bulk (dealers) would benefit by receiving a guaranteed higher allocation.
By the way, the fact that 9K+ went to ABPP REALLY signals that they did not only make 50K.
No. It does not. The ABPP numbers are based on the max mintage.
It'll be 5 years from now and you'll still be claiming that there's a 25k database error.
Yes, if it's never resolved one way or the other. If Coin World reports only 50K were sold, with 10K going to ABPP and whatever going to regular bulk purchasers, I'll be done. If 25K, with or without privy, show up on the web in the next few weeks, I'll be done.
@coiner said:
I bet they will have some for Sale in Baltimore in two weeks
And I bet they won't. Not unless they are available, in quantity, on the web.
Which will never happen, unless they actually announce that they are dumping another 25K without privys on the market. In which case no one will want them. No one. Not even you, because there will no flip in them. None.
NJ - you haven't been batting even .100 on this thread. I'll be in Baltimore and i'll report back if they are available at the Mint Booth.
Figures place the medal, which celebrates the anniversary of the first dollar coin issued by the U.S. federal government, at a combined total of 49,925 — about two-thirds of the announced 75,000 mintage. Breaking it down, 40,999 were sold individually, while 8,926 went through the Mint’s Authorized Bulk Purchase Program (ABPP).
There’s no official word yet on whether the remaining one-third of the originally announced 75,000 mintage will be available. Currently, the Mint’s product page features a "Learn More" link with the standard statement:
"We are currently out of this item, but more may be available later. If you provide your email address or cell number using the “REMIND ME” button, you will receive any back-in-stock messages we send related to this product."
Seems this answers a few things.
The outstanding question is, are all of the privy's issued or were they issued proportionately?
@M4Madness said:
I have no idea if there are any missing medals or not, but if there are, couldn't there also be missing privies? Is there any proof that 1794 privies have been released and accounted for?
That is part of the argument that they did indeed mint the limit
If there are privys not struck then they are falsely advertising 1794. If the 1794 are struck but the max is 50,000, then the big buyers got a larger proportion of privys then at a 75000 max.
That would not lead to future confidence of obtaining lottery type privys by single buyers.
Actually, the smaller buyers would also have gotten a higher percentage. The advance buyers could even have gotten a smaller number if they figured it out of 75,000 not 50,000.
Yes, everyone would benefit from the same higher percentage. But only people allowed to buy in bulk (dealers) would benefit by receiving a guaranteed higher allocation.
By the way, the fact that 9K+ went to ABPP REALLY signals that they did not only make 50K.
No. It does not. The ABPP numbers are based on the max mintage.
It'll be 5 years from now and you'll still be claiming that there's a 25k database error.
Yes, if it's never resolved one way or the other. If Coin World reports only 50K were sold, with 10K going to ABPP and whatever going to regular bulk purchasers, I'll be done. If 25K, with or without privy, show up on the web in the next few weeks, I'll be done.
How about if CoinNews.Net reports it?
Not authoritative like Coin World or Numismatic News.
@coiner said:
I bet they will have some for Sale in Baltimore in two weeks
And I bet they won't. Not unless they are available, in quantity, on the web.
Which will never happen, unless they actually announce that they are dumping another 25K without privys on the market. In which case no one will want them. No one. Not even you, because there will no flip in them. None.
NJ - you haven't been batting even .100 on this thread. I'll be in Baltimore and i'll report back if they are available at the Mint Booth.
No need. I already know the answer. Will I get credit for batting .200 after you report back? .300 if the gold coins don't sell out? 😀
But please, let us know how long the line is, and how crazy the pandemonium is to get the gold coins. I think the HHL was 3 for the 2023 American Liberty at the ANA (I might be wrong about the HHL, but I am pretty sure it was 3).
There was a line for around an hour before they went on sale, and it might have taken another hour to clear the line. Once the line cleared, the coins were readily available for the balance of the show. Even after the HHL was lifted on the second day. The mintage was 12,500, and the price of gold was around $1,900 per ounce.
The coins did eventually sell out, and sell for a premium today. Especially since gold is up almost $1,000 since then.
Bottom line -- the silvers won't be there, other than maybe one in the display case, because they are UNAVAILABLE. The gold will be readily available. 1 per customer on the 14th. As many as you can eat on the 15th. Get ready to back up the truck.
We’re currently out of this item, but it may be restocked later.
Yes. This is exactly what happens when things sell out, before the sell out is announced.
"Restocked" is what you see at 7:30 a.m. each morning for a nanosecond. On rare occasions, when the Mint gets slammed with returns, things go back to Available.
You are confusing what you are referring to with Back Order. That's when "this item is available to be ordered now, but it is not currently in stock. Additional inventory is being made." That's what happens when the maximum mintage is 75K, but only 50K are made and sold, and another "25000 yet to be made." But that didn't happen here.
Any theories as to why? Mine is that 25000 NOT yet to be made. They've either already been made and are gone (highly likely, but not yet reported), or never made, never will be (far less likely given all the circumstances around this release).
We’re currently out of this item, but it may be restocked later.
Yes. This is exactly what happens when things sell out, before the sell out is announced.
"Restocked" is what you see at 7:30 a.m. each morning for a nanosecond. On rare occasions, when the Mint gets slammed with returns, things go back to Available.
You are confusing what you are referring to with Back Order. That's when "this item is available to be ordered now, but it is not currently in stock. Additional inventory is being made." That's what happens when the maximum mintage is 75K, but only 50K are made and sold, and another "25000 yet to be made." But that didn't happen here.
Any theories as to why? Mine is that 25000 NOT yet to be made. They've either already been made and are gone (highly likely, but not yet reported), or never made, never will be (far less likely given all the circumstances around this release).
One would think you would take the night off to watch your Dodgers win the World Series!🙄
We’re currently out of this item, but it may be restocked later.
Yes. This is exactly what happens when things sell out, before the sell out is announced.
"Restocked" is what you see at 7:30 a.m. each morning for a nanosecond. On rare occasions, when the Mint gets slammed with returns, things go back to Available.
You are confusing what you are referring to with Back Order. That's when "this item is available to be ordered now, but it is not currently in stock. Additional inventory is being made." That's what happens when the maximum mintage is 75K, but only 50K are made and sold, and another "25000 yet to be made." But that didn't happen here.
Any theories as to why? Mine is that 25000 NOT yet to be made. They've either already been made and are gone (highly likely, but not yet reported), or never made, never will be (far less likely given all the circumstances around this release).
One would think you would take the night off to watch your Dodgers win the World Series!🙄
It's called multitasking. 😀
Plus, those LA Dodgers aren't exactly the same thing as the icon, if you look carefully.
We’re currently out of this item, but it may be restocked later.
Yes. This is exactly what happens when things sell out, before the sell out is announced.
"Restocked" is what you see at 7:30 a.m. each morning for a nanosecond. On rare occasions, when the Mint gets slammed with returns, things go back to Available.
You are confusing what you are referring to with Back Order. That's when "this item is available to be ordered now, but it is not currently in stock. Additional inventory is being made." That's what happens when the maximum mintage is 75K, but only 50K are made and sold, and another "25000 yet to be made." But that didn't happen here.
Any theories as to why? Mine is that 25000 NOT yet to be made. They've either already been made and are gone (highly likely, but not yet reported), or never made, never will be (far less likely given all the circumstances around this release).
One would think you would take the night off to watch your Dodgers win the World Series!🙄
It's called multitasking. 😀
Plus, those LA Dodgers aren't exactly the same thing as the icon, if you look carefully.
All I see is someone who appears to live in NJ rooting against the Mets and the Yankees!
Figures place the medal, which celebrates the anniversary of the first dollar coin issued by the U.S. federal government, at a combined total of 49,925 — about two-thirds of the announced 75,000 mintage. Breaking it down, 40,999 were sold individually, while 8,926 went through the Mint’s Authorized Bulk Purchase Program (ABPP).
There’s no official word yet on whether the remaining one-third of the originally announced 75,000 mintage will be available. Currently, the Mint’s product page features a "Learn More" link with the standard statement:
"We are currently out of this item, but more may be available later. If you provide your email address or cell number using the “REMIND ME” button, you will receive any back-in-stock messages we send related to this product."
Seems this answers a few things.
The outstanding question is, are all of the privy's issued or were they issued proportionately?
@M4Madness said:
I have no idea if there are any missing medals or not, but if there are, couldn't there also be missing privies? Is there any proof that 1794 privies have been released and accounted for?
That is part of the argument that they did indeed mint the limit
If there are privys not struck then they are falsely advertising 1794. If the 1794 are struck but the max is 50,000, then the big buyers got a larger proportion of privys then at a 75000 max.
That would not lead to future confidence of obtaining lottery type privys by single buyers.
Actually, the smaller buyers would also have gotten a higher percentage. The advance buyers could even have gotten a smaller number if they figured it out of 75,000 not 50,000.
Yes, everyone would benefit from the same higher percentage. But only people allowed to buy in bulk (dealers) would benefit by receiving a guaranteed higher allocation.
By the way, the fact that 9K+ went to ABPP REALLY signals that they did not only make 50K.
No. It does not. The ABPP numbers are based on the max mintage.
It'll be 5 years from now and you'll still be claiming that there's a 25k database error.
Yes, if it's never resolved one way or the other. If Coin World reports only 50K were sold, with 10K going to ABPP and whatever going to regular bulk purchasers, I'll be done. If 25K, with or without privy, show up on the web in the next few weeks, I'll be done.
How about if CoinNews.Net reports it?
Yes, I posted it 2 pages ago. Or didn't convince anyone
We’re currently out of this item, but it may be restocked later.
Yes. This is exactly what happens when things sell out, before the sell out is announced.
"Restocked" is what you see at 7:30 a.m. each morning for a nanosecond. On rare occasions, when the Mint gets slammed with returns, things go back to Available.
You are confusing what you are referring to with Back Order. That's when "this item is available to be ordered now, but it is not currently in stock. Additional inventory is being made." That's what happens when the maximum mintage is 75K, but only 50K are made and sold, and another "25000 yet to be made." But that didn't happen here.
Any theories as to why? Mine is that 25000 NOT yet to be made. They've either already been made and are gone (highly likely, but not yet reported), or never made, never will be (far less likely given all the circumstances around this release).
One would think you would take the night off to watch your Dodgers win the World Series!🙄
It's called multitasking. 😀
Plus, those LA Dodgers aren't exactly the same thing as the icon, if you look carefully.
All I see is someone who appears to live in NJ rooting against the Mets and the Yankees!
That's because you are not reading the icon carefully.
Almost everyone here has said what happened to the other 25,000 medals. "They are missing"
That is because they "Fell off the truck" They will eventually show up as melted down silver bars.
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We’re currently out of this item, but it may be restocked later.
Yes. This is exactly what happens when things sell out, before the sell out is announced.
"Restocked" is what you see at 7:30 a.m. each morning for a nanosecond. On rare occasions, when the Mint gets slammed with returns, things go back to Available.
You are confusing what you are referring to with Back Order. That's when "this item is available to be ordered now, but it is not currently in stock. Additional inventory is being made." That's what happens when the maximum mintage is 75K, but only 50K are made and sold, and another "25000 yet to be made." But that didn't happen here.
Any theories as to why? Mine is that 25000 NOT yet to be made. They've either already been made and are gone (highly likely, but not yet reported), or never made, never will be (far less likely given all the circumstances around this release).
One would think you would take the night off to watch your Dodgers win the World Series!🙄
It's called multitasking. 😀
Plus, those LA Dodgers aren't exactly the same thing as the icon, if you look carefully.
All I see is someone who appears to live in NJ rooting against the Mets and the Yankees!
That's because you are not reading the icon carefully.
Funny how you post ad nauseam about everything BUT your icon.🙄
We’re currently out of this item, but it may be restocked later.
Yes. This is exactly what happens when things sell out, before the sell out is announced.
"Restocked" is what you see at 7:30 a.m. each morning for a nanosecond. On rare occasions, when the Mint gets slammed with returns, things go back to Available.
You are confusing what you are referring to with Back Order. That's when "this item is available to be ordered now, but it is not currently in stock. Additional inventory is being made." That's what happens when the maximum mintage is 75K, but only 50K are made and sold, and another "25000 yet to be made." But that didn't happen here.
Any theories as to why? Mine is that 25000 NOT yet to be made. They've either already been made and are gone (highly likely, but not yet reported), or never made, never will be (far less likely given all the circumstances around this release).
One would think you would take the night off to watch your Dodgers win the World Series!🙄
It's called multitasking. 😀
Plus, those LA Dodgers aren't exactly the same thing as the icon, if you look carefully.
All I see is someone who appears to live in NJ rooting against the Mets and the Yankees!
That's because you are not reading the icon carefully.
Funny how you post ad nauseam about everything BUT your icon.🙄
What do you want to know? Take a good look -- it's the Brooklyn Dodgers, not the LA Dodgers. Does the connection to NJ make a little more sense to you now?
We’re currently out of this item, but it may be restocked later.
Yes. This is exactly what happens when things sell out, before the sell out is announced.
"Restocked" is what you see at 7:30 a.m. each morning for a nanosecond. On rare occasions, when the Mint gets slammed with returns, things go back to Available.
You are confusing what you are referring to with Back Order. That's when "this item is available to be ordered now, but it is not currently in stock. Additional inventory is being made." That's what happens when the maximum mintage is 75K, but only 50K are made and sold, and another "25000 yet to be made." But that didn't happen here.
Any theories as to why? Mine is that 25000 NOT yet to be made. They've either already been made and are gone (highly likely, but not yet reported), or never made, never will be (far less likely given all the circumstances around this release).
One would think you would take the night off to watch your Dodgers win the World Series!🙄
It's called multitasking. 😀
Plus, those LA Dodgers aren't exactly the same thing as the icon, if you look carefully.
All I see is someone who appears to live in NJ rooting against the Mets and the Yankees!
That's because you are not reading the icon carefully.
Funny how you post ad nauseam about everything BUT your icon.🙄
What do you want to know? Take a good look -- it's the Brooklyn Dodgers, not the LA Dodgers. Does the connection to NJ make a little more sense to you now?
That wasn't so hard. Yes now it makes more sense. You live in the past🤣😂
We’re currently out of this item, but it may be restocked later.
Yes. This is exactly what happens when things sell out, before the sell out is announced.
"Restocked" is what you see at 7:30 a.m. each morning for a nanosecond. On rare occasions, when the Mint gets slammed with returns, things go back to Available.
You are confusing what you are referring to with Back Order. That's when "this item is available to be ordered now, but it is not currently in stock. Additional inventory is being made." That's what happens when the maximum mintage is 75K, but only 50K are made and sold, and another "25000 yet to be made." But that didn't happen here.
Any theories as to why? Mine is that 25000 NOT yet to be made. They've either already been made and are gone (highly likely, but not yet reported), or never made, never will be (far less likely given all the circumstances around this release).
One would think you would take the night off to watch your Dodgers win the World Series!🙄
It's called multitasking. 😀
Plus, those LA Dodgers aren't exactly the same thing as the icon, if you look carefully.
All I see is someone who appears to live in NJ rooting against the Mets and the Yankees!
That's because you are not reading the icon carefully.
Funny how you post ad nauseam about everything BUT your icon.🙄
What do you want to know? Take a good look -- it's the Brooklyn Dodgers, not the LA Dodgers. Does the connection to NJ make a little more sense to you now?
That wasn't so hard. Yes now it makes more sense. You live in the past🤣😂
No, it wasn't. It is right there in the icon. I didn't realize it was a hidden mystery. 🤣😂
Not sure about living in the past. But, yes, I have a sense of history. Isn't that part of what coin collecting is all about?
We’re currently out of this item, but it may be restocked later.
Yes. This is exactly what happens when things sell out, before the sell out is announced.
"Restocked" is what you see at 7:30 a.m. each morning for a nanosecond. On rare occasions, when the Mint gets slammed with returns, things go back to Available.
You are confusing what you are referring to with Back Order. That's when "this item is available to be ordered now, but it is not currently in stock. Additional inventory is being made." That's what happens when the maximum mintage is 75K, but only 50K are made and sold, and another "25000 yet to be made." But that didn't happen here.
Any theories as to why? Mine is that 25000 NOT yet to be made. They've either already been made and are gone (highly likely, but not yet reported), or never made, never will be (far less likely given all the circumstances around this release).
One would think you would take the night off to watch your Dodgers win the World Series!🙄
It's called multitasking. 😀
Plus, those LA Dodgers aren't exactly the same thing as the icon, if you look carefully.
All I see is someone who appears to live in NJ rooting against the Mets and the Yankees!
That's because you are not reading the icon carefully.
Funny how you post ad nauseam about everything BUT your icon.🙄
What do you want to know? Take a good look -- it's the Brooklyn Dodgers, not the LA Dodgers. Does the connection to NJ make a little more sense to you now?
That wasn't so hard. Yes now it makes more sense. You live in the past🤣😂
No, it wasn't. It is right there in the icon. I didn't realize it was a hidden mystery. 🤣😂
Not sure about living in the past. But, yes, I have a sense of history. Isn't that part of what coin collecting is all about?
And anyone who knows anything about Brooklyn Dodgers fans knows that they are still waiting for the team to come home.
We’re currently out of this item, but it may be restocked later.
Yes. This is exactly what happens when things sell out, before the sell out is announced.
"Restocked" is what you see at 7:30 a.m. each morning for a nanosecond. On rare occasions, when the Mint gets slammed with returns, things go back to Available.
You are confusing what you are referring to with Back Order. That's when "this item is available to be ordered now, but it is not currently in stock. Additional inventory is being made." That's what happens when the maximum mintage is 75K, but only 50K are made and sold, and another "25000 yet to be made." But that didn't happen here.
Any theories as to why? Mine is that 25000 NOT yet to be made. They've either already been made and are gone (highly likely, but not yet reported), or never made, never will be (far less likely given all the circumstances around this release).
One would think you would take the night off to watch your Dodgers win the World Series!🙄
It's called multitasking. 😀
Plus, those LA Dodgers aren't exactly the same thing as the icon, if you look carefully.
All I see is someone who appears to live in NJ rooting against the Mets and the Yankees!
That's because you are not reading the icon carefully.
Funny how you post ad nauseam about everything BUT your icon.🙄
What do you want to know? Take a good look -- it's the Brooklyn Dodgers, not the LA Dodgers. Does the connection to NJ make a little more sense to you now?
That wasn't so hard. Yes now it makes more sense. You live in the past🤣😂
No, it wasn't. It is right there in the icon. I didn't realize it was a hidden mystery. 🤣😂
Not sure about living in the past. But, yes, I have a sense of history. Isn't that part of what coin collecting is all about?
And anyone who knows anything about Brooklyn Dodgers fans knows that they are still waiting for the team to come home.
Nah. The Mets scratched the itch in '69. We're good. They're nothing but a fond memory now.
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Actually, the smaller buyers would also have gotten a higher percentage. The advance buyers could even have gotten a smaller number if they figured it out of 75,000 not 50,000.
Your "no" is patently incorrect, atleast in my case. If new (not returns) medals are offered, I will likely buy one without regard to the privy lottery.
Yes, everyone would benefit from the same higher percentage. But only people allowed to buy in bulk (dealers) would benefit by receiving a guaranteed higher allocation.
By the way, the fact that 9K+ went to ABPP REALLY signals that they did not only make 50K.
Again, sorry you missed the lottery, but 75K are ultimately going to be available for purchase. You'll almost certainly be able to get as many as you want, in OGP or in the slab of your choice, at prices significantly below where they are today. Other than the privys, which will obviously follow a different path.
100% agree. At $100 it is a great piece!
NJ: “no one would buy another at $104 knowing it’s not a privy.”
Two people already: “we would”
NJ: “lies! I’m right you’re wrong”
😂😂
For someone who writes such long posts I'd think you'd be able to read other responses accurately.
My potential purchase would not be with any lottery in mind. I would only be looking for the regular medal. I did not "miss" anything.
As for the secondary market, I think I made it pretty clear I was only interested in fresh OGP from the mint.
None of this may matter to you, but it matters to me, so there's no need for you to tell me I'm wrong about what I want or don't want.
No. It does not. The ABPP numbers are based on the max mintage.
It'll be 5 years from now and you'll still be claiming that there's a 25k database error.
No, I'm not saying that.
I'm just saying talk is cheap, and saying you'd buy something at a price significantly below where it is currently offered costs nothing, and is consequently meaningless.
If 25K suddenly become available at $104 with no lottery, and remain available indefinitely, THEN come back, tell me how many you bought, and how wrong I am.
I understand. Sorry I wasn't clear. I get you want fresh product. I thought you meant that you missed the 24 hour window we all had, with a lottery kicker.
What did I miss, if you indeed wanted fresh product? That you only want something AFTER it is unavailable, and have no interest in free lotteries? Because images of Advance Release product were widely available prior to 12:01 p.m. on 10/16, so where were you than?
Yes, if it's never resolved one way or the other. If Coin World reports only 50K were sold, with 10K going to ABPP and whatever going to regular bulk purchasers, I'll be done. If 25K, with or without privy, show up on the web in the next few weeks, I'll be done.
Otherwise, like Linus in the Pumpkin Patch, I'll be waiting for a sales report revision for as long as it takes. I doubt it will take 5 years to get a final answer, but I'll wait as long as it takes. And keep insisting that it has to be a database error until shown otherwise. Because, if it does turn out to be a database error, it would be the first one ever, right? 😀
I get ABPP is based on max mintage. I don't get that the Mint knows ahead of time that it's not going to make the max available, whether or not it actually can sell that many, and yet makes what turns out to be almost 20% of what they intend to sell available to ABPP, before even taking into account regular bulk purchasers.
ESPECIALLY when they come with a lucrative lottery kicker. It will be nothing short of a scandal if that actually turns out to be the case.
So, yeah, feel free to keep going with me on this. It's only going to make it that much better when that sales report is revised upward.
I clearly said that I was on the fence prior to sale date, and that I ultimately did not pull the trigger. Once I saw in-hand photos here on the forum I started to think I might reconsider if another ordering window opened.
The mint's illustrations and various glamor shots didn't cause me to reconsider. It was the real-life photos from members here.
It really isn't complicated.
The advance buyers got multiple privys guarranteed if random. Multiple privys is multiple thousands that would apply to average cost. They already get a volume discount
The regular retail buyer could only buy 1. Most likely little chance to acquire a privy.
Smart play by the big guys if they swooped in. Big ifs though we don't know.
Advance buyers do not get a discount. They pay 10% over issue price and have to pick them up at the Mint themselves.
Yes, the ABPP buyers would get 2 to 3.5% of the privys. But their cumulative odds are no higher than our cumulative odds.
Multiple people have literally said that yes, they would buy another if 25,000 magically became available and you were guaranteed to not get a privy at the issue price. Including me. For you to tell us we are lying and that literally zero more would be sold is absolutely insane. How the heck can you be so wrong on so many things? Makes me wonder if you’re really just trolling us at this point.
Nah. He's totally in character.
Fair enough. And again, all I said was that I was sorry that you missed it. And, I'm trying to tell you that I think you'll have another chance, because I think prices are going to come down.
Finally, I'm saying that if 25K without privys are suddenly made available, that you should think again. Because, if current pricing only reflects 50K being out and about, and if 25K are made available without the accompanying lottery ticket, they will NEVER sell out. And a one ounce silver medal with 50K in the market, and 25K available on a government website, are no-how, no-way going to be worth $104 with silver trading at $34 an ounce.
Yes, true. But they had a a guarantee. No one else, other than bulk buyers, did. And very few retail buyers, such as @coiner, had an opportunity to pick up 50+ in the minute before they went unavailable on 10/16.
25000 yet to be made
Because you are taking me literally. Of course they will not sell "ZERO" if they put them back on sale, with 25K available at $104 with no privys. What I LITERALLY meant is that those 25K will NEVER sell out until the Mint pulls them years from now, and they will be widely available in the market for less than $104.
If you would want to then pay a premium for a "fresh" one, that would certainly be your call. But it would not be a popular or widespread one, as evidenced by the fact that we all saw 50K sell out in a day, while I think the remaining 25K would never sell out without a lottery.
But this is all moot, because, regardless of whether or not you think I am "so wrong on so many things," I am pretty sure that the missing 25K have indeed already been sold. Which would mean anyone not already in totally missed their shot at a fresh one, anywhere, at any price, unless they would want to play the secondary market lottery and pay the price for a sealed package on eBay.
Shh.... you'll get him going again. We just got him down for his nap.
Pretty sure we both agree 25K that have not yet been produced are never going to be produced. No?
So I was going to ignore @MsMorrisine, but I simply can't ignore you, since you had to respond. 😀
I think it's unlikely they will make the extra 25,000 anytime soon (if they are not made). I don't think it's impossible they will make some more at some point depending on other priorities.
medals can be struck at anytime, but with a 2024 date showing i'm sure they'd rather strike them all in 2024
Yes. I understand. My point, which I have now stated repeatedly, is that if they actually were not made, and if they actually ever had any intention of making them, they would have been placed on Back Order rather than going Unavailable.
Fair enough. I happen to think it is "impossible." They will either show up on a future sales report, putting the issue to rest, or Coin World or some similar outlet will report they are not going to be made, which will only lead to other issues.
That cryptic press release regarding an auction of gold coins leads to the strong possibility that some silver medals might have been held back for inclusion in that. But that number would likely be up to several hundred, not several tens of thousands.
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did anyone post this link yet?
https://www.coinnews.net/2024/10/23/us-mint-sales-flowing-hair-silver-medal-reaches-two-thirds-of-mintage/
Seems this answers a few things.
The outstanding question is, are all of the privy's issued or were they issued proportionately?
How about if CoinNews.Net reports it?
here's a ebay auction sold:
2024 US Mint Flowing Hair Silver Medal BU With Privy Mark & Signed COA 193/230
NJ - you haven't been batting even .100 on this thread. I'll be in Baltimore and i'll report back if they are available at the Mint Booth.
THIS ^^^^^^^^
That comment will definitely have NJ blow his stack!
Not authoritative like Coin World or Numismatic News.
the mint staff doing the selling, do selling
don't expect them to know if more will be made or not
No need. I already know the answer. Will I get credit for batting .200 after you report back? .300 if the gold coins don't sell out? 😀
But please, let us know how long the line is, and how crazy the pandemonium is to get the gold coins. I think the HHL was 3 for the 2023 American Liberty at the ANA (I might be wrong about the HHL, but I am pretty sure it was 3).
There was a line for around an hour before they went on sale, and it might have taken another hour to clear the line. Once the line cleared, the coins were readily available for the balance of the show. Even after the HHL was lifted on the second day. The mintage was 12,500, and the price of gold was around $1,900 per ounce.
The coins did eventually sell out, and sell for a premium today. Especially since gold is up almost $1,000 since then.
Bottom line -- the silvers won't be there, other than maybe one in the display case, because they are UNAVAILABLE. The gold will be readily available. 1 per customer on the 14th. As many as you can eat on the 15th. Get ready to back up the truck.
Yes. This is exactly what happens when things sell out, before the sell out is announced.
"Restocked" is what you see at 7:30 a.m. each morning for a nanosecond. On rare occasions, when the Mint gets slammed with returns, things go back to Available.
You are confusing what you are referring to with Back Order. That's when "this item is available to be ordered now, but it is not currently in stock. Additional inventory is being made." That's what happens when the maximum mintage is 75K, but only 50K are made and sold, and another "25000 yet to be made." But that didn't happen here.
Any theories as to why? Mine is that 25000 NOT yet to be made. They've either already been made and are gone (highly likely, but not yet reported), or never made, never will be (far less likely given all the circumstances around this release).
One would think you would take the night off to watch your Dodgers win the World Series!🙄
It's called multitasking. 😀
Plus, those LA Dodgers aren't exactly the same thing as the icon, if you look carefully.
All I see is someone who appears to live in NJ rooting against the Mets and the Yankees!
Yes, I posted it 2 pages ago. Or didn't convince anyone
That's because you are not reading the icon carefully.
Almost everyone here has said what happened to the other 25,000 medals. "They are missing"
That is because they "Fell off the truck" They will eventually show up as melted down silver bars.
Classic US coin collector hot take: In-depth discussion of current us mint products should have its own category, or be off-limits altogether. Too much drama and pointless speculation.
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Funny how you post ad nauseam about everything BUT your icon.🙄
What do you want to know? Take a good look -- it's the Brooklyn Dodgers, not the LA Dodgers. Does the connection to NJ make a little more sense to you now?
That wasn't so hard. Yes now it makes more sense. You live in the past🤣😂
Trick or Treat........
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No, it wasn't. It is right there in the icon. I didn't realize it was a hidden mystery. 🤣😂
Not sure about living in the past. But, yes, I have a sense of history. Isn't that part of what coin collecting is all about?
And anyone who knows anything about Brooklyn Dodgers fans knows that they are still waiting for the team to come home.
Nah. The Mets scratched the itch in '69. We're good. They're nothing but a fond memory now.