@bgr said:
That’s about as close as we’re ever going to be on agreeing here. I would just be repeating myself about the total share vs the regular season share.
"Excellent question that cuts to the heart of the financial calculation for the Huskies and Ducks — and for Cal and Stanford in the ACC.
In each case, the teams are receiving partial shares of the media rights revenue (i.e., regular-season broadcast contracts) but full shares of the postseason revenue from the CFP and March Madness.
For Cal and Stanford, the partial shares work out to 33% for the first seven years before climbing for two years and reaching 100% for the last three years of the agreement.
"Oregon and Washington will receive 50% shares of Big Ten media rights revenue to the tune of $30 million in 2024 with annual $1 million escalators until the completion of its new deal with CBS, Fox and NBC, according to ESPN and The Inside Zone's Matt Fortuna."
Oregon and Washington are not getting a full media share, its no an opinion its a fact
A fact im not disputing. Im saying that it’s more than 50%. These are different things. It’s 50% for the regular season in 24. Then it goes up every year by $1M. You said this yourself. Then in 27 the new CFP deal will increase their shares more. They also get a full share of playoff revenue. That is in the article you’re quoting. It really doesn’t get more clear than that.
I was just saying it’s a good deal in the beginning. You’re like hunting for some weird angle to argue but I never said they were full shares of the total media revenue. I just said they’re not 50% share of the total media revenue.
You’ll probably say they are 50% share and I don’t want to go around in circles so believe what you want.
believe what you want. Its well documented but multiple med sources that Oregon and Washington wherever not deferred money but took significantly[ less Its well documented they had to do a lot to get accepted
You’re actually not saying anything false. You did omit the CFP deal which will be negotiated in 2027 and that Oregon and Wash. get a full share of that. But nothing false. It’s just your comprehension of the discussion it seems. You keep telling me that asserting something that I am not. I never said they were receiving a full share. They being Oregon and Wash. Then you tell me I can believe what I want. I believe the reality. They joined after the deal was finalized. They are receiving a 50% REGULAR SEASON media share. They received a 100% postseason media share. There is some other money they get for their round by round costs in CFP also which is like $4M per round. Ignoring that, for the simple math aspect their TOTAL media share is around .50 * $66M + $21M = $54M. And the extra that is dedicated for them. This prevents me from agreeing that they are only receiving a 50% media share. That would be $33M + $10.5M = $43.5M. $54M is larger than $43.5M so I believe their media share is more than 50%. All of the media reports which mention 50% likely mention that it’s the regular season share unless they’re trying to mislead the reader. Hope you learned something here.
Again I am only saying that I think it was a good deal for the B1G. 2024 was the only year where 50% would have been possible… had no team from the B1G made CFP. Next year they get an extra $1M so it’s over 50% but I wasn’t really considering that increase as meaningful. I was speaking about the CFP money, of which they get a full share.
I said I thought it was a good deal after you kept saying it was bad.
You said Oregon and Washington were mad that they took a bad deal and the other schools in the B1G were mad they got less because Oregon and Washington joined. I was only saying that I don’t think that’s true. They are making more than ever before.
@FredJRI said:
Oregon Ducks will fall from the sky:
Can a duck be a duck but not exactly quack like duck and not exactly walk like a duck, but turn out to be an actual duck?
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Lots of ducks don’t quack. Teals, goldeneyes, buffleheads, canvasbacks, scaup, widgeons and a host of others either chirp, whistle or make other mostly subdued noises.
However….the question specified** “and not exactly walk like a duck”. I have honestly never seen a duck that didn’t walk like one.**
The real interesting story is the OSU DC leaving for PSU in a lateral move for the same money. Some thing was going on in the building for a lateral move to a lesser program
Knowles moving is a lateral move only in title. I saw they were making him the highest paid DC in the nation. And he’s inheriting one of the best defenses. It’s a tough read for me whether he wasn’t to return to head coaching.
PSUs super studs like Carter are going to the NFL. OSU has the best player on either defense with Downs whose probably the best safety in the country. Both OSU and PSU offers made him the highest paid coordinator and the money wasnt that different, OSU could have easily added a little more too if he was like I want to stay just match the offer.
PSUs deal is around 3.1 a year OSU offer was over 2.5. The money difference was insignificant and could have easily been matched by OSU where its easier to recruit and has more talent. Both offers made him the highest paid coordinator and he was the third highest on his previous deal
Knowles doesnt really have ties to PSU. He played at Cornell, he started his big time coaching career at Cornell, made Cornell actually king of decent as a head coach but had a losing record and spent the last 15 or so years at Duke, Oklahoma State and Ohio State.
Hes a good coach but insignificant financial reasons that could have easily been fixed dont cause coaches to go take the same job at a program thats harder to recruit at and has less talent than their current location wit out having major ties to the school.
Nothing will probably come of it story wise. OSU will take a step back defensively, PSU will still beat everyone they should be good enough to get a playoff spot while losing to OSU next year and probably Oregon.
Oh I don't care, you guys can go back and forth till your fingers bleed I am just surprised this thread is still going.
It was an interesting approach that you took if you don't care. I disagreed with the assertion that was made so I provided a counter-argument. It should really end there. Neither one of us likely know the truth and I can say that I certainly do not know. The responses are fun and I get to peer into a tangled mind. Sometimes I even learn something. Communication is beneficial even with it's problematic.
Oh I don't care, you guys can go back and forth till your fingers bleed I am just surprised this thread is still going.
It was an interesting approach that you took if you don't care. I disagreed with the assertion that was made so I provided a counter-argument. It should really end there. Neither one of us likely know the truth and I can say that I certainly do not know. The responses are fun and I get to peer into a tangled mind. Sometimes I even learn something. Communication is beneficial even with it's problematic.
The quick brown fox jumped over the lazy dog.
Being surprised and commenting on said surprise is only an interesting approach if you take that as I cared, not to hurt your feelings or anything but I honestly haven't read a single post of yours in this thread for a long time, I was just commenting on the thread in general.
Your witty I get it but like I said I was surprised and felt like commenting on it.
Do you care about every post you respond to or do you not care just sometimes?
Oh I don't care, you guys can go back and forth till your fingers bleed I am just surprised this thread is still going.
It was an interesting approach that you took if you don't care. I disagreed with the assertion that was made so I provided a counter-argument. It should really end there. Neither one of us likely know the truth and I can say that I certainly do not know. The responses are fun and I get to peer into a tangled mind. Sometimes I even learn something. Communication is beneficial even with it's problematic.
The quick brown fox jumped over the lazy dog.
Being surprised and commenting on said surprise is only an interesting approach if you take that as I cared, not to hurt your feelings or anything but I honestly haven't read a single post of yours in this thread for a long time, I was just commenting on the thread in general.
Your witty I get it but like I said I was surprised and felt like commenting on it.
Do you care about every post you respond to or do you not care just sometimes?
I've never really thought about that, but I suspect you're right that it's a mix.
4 guys are at a bar. They're talking about Knowles... Do you walk up and tell them the season's over and the rest of it doesn't matter. tag em with "just so you're aware" and then turn and order your drink?
But you're also right that this doesn't really matter and all the other stuff. I figured it was worth a probe to see if he actually had any insight.
Oh I don't care, you guys can go back and forth till your fingers bleed I am just surprised this thread is still going.
It was an interesting approach that you took if you don't care. I disagreed with the assertion that was made so I provided a counter-argument. It should really end there. Neither one of us likely know the truth and I can say that I certainly do not know. The responses are fun and I get to peer into a tangled mind. Sometimes I even learn something. Communication is beneficial even with it's problematic.
The quick brown fox jumped over the lazy dog.
Being surprised and commenting on said surprise is only an interesting approach if you take that as I cared, not to hurt your feelings or anything but I honestly haven't read a single post of yours in this thread for a long time, I was just commenting on the thread in general.
Your witty I get it but like I said I was surprised and felt like commenting on it.
Do you care about every post you respond to or do you not care just sometimes?
I've never really thought about that, but I suspect you're right that it's a mix.
4 guys are at a bar. They're talking about Knowles...
Oh I don't care, you guys can go back and forth till your fingers bleed I am just surprised this thread is still going.
It was an interesting approach that you took if you don't care. I disagreed with the assertion that was made so I provided a counter-argument. It should really end there. Neither one of us likely know the truth and I can say that I certainly do not know. The responses are fun and I get to peer into a tangled mind. Sometimes I even learn something. Communication is beneficial even with it's problematic.
The quick brown fox jumped over the lazy dog.
Being surprised and commenting on said surprise is only an interesting approach if you take that as I cared, not to hurt your feelings or anything but I honestly haven't read a single post of yours in this thread for a long time, I was just commenting on the thread in general.
Your witty I get it but like I said I was surprised and felt like commenting on it.
Do you care about every post you respond to or do you not care just sometimes?
I've never really thought about that, but I suspect you're right that it's a mix.
4 guys are at a bar. They're talking about Knowles...
Oh I don't care, you guys can go back and forth till your fingers bleed I am just surprised this thread is still going.
It was an interesting approach that you took if you don't care. I disagreed with the assertion that was made so I provided a counter-argument. It should really end there. Neither one of us likely know the truth and I can say that I certainly do not know. The responses are fun and I get to peer into a tangled mind. Sometimes I even learn something. Communication is beneficial even with it's problematic.
The quick brown fox jumped over the lazy dog.
Being surprised and commenting on said surprise is only an interesting approach if you take that as I cared, not to hurt your feelings or anything but I honestly haven't read a single post of yours in this thread for a long time, I was just commenting on the thread in general.
Your witty I get it but like I said I was surprised and felt like commenting on it.
Do you care about every post you respond to or do you not care just sometimes?
I've never really thought about that, but I suspect you're right that it's a mix.
4 guys are at a bar. They're talking about Knowles...
Oh I don't care, you guys can go back and forth till your fingers bleed I am just surprised this thread is still going.
It was an interesting approach that you took if you don't care. I disagreed with the assertion that was made so I provided a counter-argument. It should really end there. Neither one of us likely know the truth and I can say that I certainly do not know. The responses are fun and I get to peer into a tangled mind. Sometimes I even learn something. Communication is beneficial even with it's problematic.
The quick brown fox jumped over the lazy dog.
Being surprised and commenting on said surprise is only an interesting approach if you take that as I cared, not to hurt your feelings or anything but I honestly haven't read a single post of yours in this thread for a long time, I was just commenting on the thread in general.
Your witty I get it but like I said I was surprised and felt like commenting on it.
Do you care about every post you respond to or do you not care just sometimes?
I've never really thought about that, but I suspect you're right that it's a mix.
4 guys are at a bar. They're talking about Knowles...
This guy...
Wait a minute
Where is the Red flannel holding that Reese?
It was kinda cold so I went my Camo Sweatshirt...
hey ya perkdog...
My Camo Sweatshirt is All Legal & Legit next to my 6072...🔌🏈
He was born in Philly which is where UPenn is, but he went to school at Cornell, he played at Cornell, He coached at Cornell before all the other schools. He even came back to Cornell after coaching at Ole Miss. His only real connection to PSU is that he was born in the same state.
Its not like his big recruits or star defensive players have followed him either. He will do the usual song and dance saying he grew up a PSU fan like when Brian Kelly tried to fake a southern accent at LSU, but being the DC at OSU has been the better job than the PSU one for a number of years
He was born in Philly which is where UPenn is, but he went to school at Cornell, he played at Cornell, He coached at Cornell before all the other schools. He even came back to Cornell after coaching at Ole Miss. His only real connection to PSU is that he was born in the same state.
Its not like his big recruits or star defensive players have followed him either. He will do the usual song and dance saying he grew up a PSU fan like when Brian Kelly tried to fake a southern accent at LSU, but being the DC at OSU has been the better job than the PSU one for a number of years
Wow, the Buckeyes have lost their DC to conference rival Penn State and now their OC to the NFL. Such is the price paid for success. That puts pressure on the Ohio State program, now they not only have to recruit players but coaches. I suppose there will be no short line of candidates for either position.
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You’re actually not saying anything false. You did omit the CFP deal which will be negotiated in 2027 and that Oregon and Wash. get a full share of that. But nothing false. It’s just your comprehension of the discussion it seems. You keep telling me that asserting something that I am not. I never said they were receiving a full share. They being Oregon and Wash. Then you tell me I can believe what I want. I believe the reality. They joined after the deal was finalized. They are receiving a 50% REGULAR SEASON media share. They received a 100% postseason media share. There is some other money they get for their round by round costs in CFP also which is like $4M per round. Ignoring that, for the simple math aspect their TOTAL media share is around .50 * $66M + $21M = $54M. And the extra that is dedicated for them. This prevents me from agreeing that they are only receiving a 50% media share. That would be $33M + $10.5M = $43.5M. $54M is larger than $43.5M so I believe their media share is more than 50%. All of the media reports which mention 50% likely mention that it’s the regular season share unless they’re trying to mislead the reader. Hope you learned something here.
Again I am only saying that I think it was a good deal for the B1G. 2024 was the only year where 50% would have been possible… had no team from the B1G made CFP. Next year they get an extra $1M so it’s over 50% but I wasn’t really considering that increase as meaningful. I was speaking about the CFP money, of which they get a full share.
Here’s an article that talks about the numbers.
https://forum.fishduck.com/topic/15547-b1g-money-playoff-numbers-for-oregon-are-staggering/
I said I thought it was a good deal after you kept saying it was bad.
You said Oregon and Washington were mad that they took a bad deal and the other schools in the B1G were mad they got less because Oregon and Washington joined. I was only saying that I don’t think that’s true. They are making more than ever before.
From todays celebration ceremony
Terry Bradshaw was AMAZING!!
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hehehehe
OSU weeeeeeeee
The 20 top rated tv games of the 2024 season. Ohio State had the top 3.
Terry Bradshaw was AMAZING!!
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Natty and playoffs will always be at the top.
The real interesting story is the OSU DC leaving for PSU in a lateral move for the same money. Some thing was going on in the building for a lateral move to a lesser program
Wisconsin 2-6 against the SEC since 2007
Knowles moving is a lateral move only in title. I saw they were making him the highest paid DC in the nation. And he’s inheriting one of the best defenses. It’s a tough read for me whether he wasn’t to return to head coaching.
PSUs super studs like Carter are going to the NFL. OSU has the best player on either defense with Downs whose probably the best safety in the country. Both OSU and PSU offers made him the highest paid coordinator and the money wasnt that different, OSU could have easily added a little more too if he was like I want to stay just match the offer.
Wisconsin 2-6 against the SEC since 2007
I was talking about Durant and Tracy and Harris etc.
As for the salary it sounds like over $9M base over 3 years.
But I’m sure it’s whatever you’re saying it is. Could be beef with Day. Maybe they were having an affair. It’s whatever you say it is.
PSUs deal is around 3.1 a year OSU offer was over 2.5. The money difference was insignificant and could have easily been matched by OSU where its easier to recruit and has more talent. Both offers made him the highest paid coordinator and he was the third highest on his previous deal
Knowles doesnt really have ties to PSU. He played at Cornell, he started his big time coaching career at Cornell, made Cornell actually king of decent as a head coach but had a losing record and spent the last 15 or so years at Duke, Oklahoma State and Ohio State.
Hes a good coach but insignificant financial reasons that could have easily been fixed dont cause coaches to go take the same job at a program thats harder to recruit at and has less talent than their current location wit out having major ties to the school.
Nothing will probably come of it story wise. OSU will take a step back defensively, PSU will still beat everyone they should be good enough to get a playoff spot while losing to OSU next year and probably Oregon.
Wisconsin 2-6 against the SEC since 2007
He's from Pennsylvania.
Terry Bradshaw was AMAZING!!
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I have @Basebal21 on "Ignore" but without even seeing what he posted I'll just assume at least some if not all of it is BS based on the past.
It is Shocking that this thread is still going and the fighting continues.
Ohio State won the national championship and the season is over and the rest of it just doesn't matter
Just so you guys are aware
Geez. The fun police are here.
Senior Bowl...🏈📺👍
Oh I don't care, you guys can go back and forth till your fingers bleed I am just surprised this thread is still going.
It was an interesting approach that you took if you don't care. I disagreed with the assertion that was made so I provided a counter-argument. It should really end there. Neither one of us likely know the truth and I can say that I certainly do not know. The responses are fun and I get to peer into a tangled mind. Sometimes I even learn something. Communication is beneficial even with it's problematic.
The quick brown fox jumped over the lazy dog.
Being surprised and commenting on said surprise is only an interesting approach if you take that as I cared, not to hurt your feelings or anything but I honestly haven't read a single post of yours in this thread for a long time, I was just commenting on the thread in general.
Your witty I get it but like I said I was surprised and felt like commenting on it.
Do you care about every post you respond to or do you not care just sometimes?
I've never really thought about that, but I suspect you're right that it's a mix.
4 guys are at a bar. They're talking about Knowles... Do you walk up and tell them the season's over and the rest of it doesn't matter. tag em with "just so you're aware" and then turn and order your drink?
But you're also right that this doesn't really matter and all the other stuff. I figured it was worth a probe to see if he actually had any insight.
Senior Bowl...🏈📺👍
This guy...
Wait a minute
Where is the Red flannel holding that Reese?
It was kinda cold so I went my Camo Sweatshirt...
hey ya perkdog...
My Camo Sweatshirt is All Legal & Legit next to my 6072...🔌🏈
He was born in Philly which is where UPenn is, but he went to school at Cornell, he played at Cornell, He coached at Cornell before all the other schools. He even came back to Cornell after coaching at Ole Miss. His only real connection to PSU is that he was born in the same state.
Its not like his big recruits or star defensive players have followed him either. He will do the usual song and dance saying he grew up a PSU fan like when Brian Kelly tried to fake a southern accent at LSU, but being the DC at OSU has been the better job than the PSU one for a number of years
Wisconsin 2-6 against the SEC since 2007
So what do you know that you’re not telling us?
Chip Kelly to the Las Vegas Raiders.
Terry Bradshaw was AMAZING!!
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Wow, the Buckeyes have lost their DC to conference rival Penn State and now their OC to the NFL. Such is the price paid for success. That puts pressure on the Ohio State program, now they not only have to recruit players but coaches. I suppose there will be no short line of candidates for either position.
He grew up a Penn State fan.
Terry Bradshaw was AMAZING!!
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