No other teams had significant injuries. Only SEC teams.
You’re absolutely right Maywood. We’re seeing this shift as a result of the fairness NIL is providing, and the movement allowed by the portal. For parity it’s great. I’m not sure how much I like what it’s doing to college football in general but I get it.
Players were being paid for decades. It was most prominent in the SEC as the conference didn’t do anything. It was present elsewhere but at a much lesser space. bullsitter posted that graphic showing the dominance of the SEC but what it also says is. Now that it’s fair look.
NIL doesnt matter for football or basketball. Those guys have been paid for decades. Caitlin and Livvy were some of the biggest benefits. NIL really helped the sports that dont make money the most.
The transfer portal is the biggest equalizer. Its taken away the depth for the top teams and players no longer sit around for years anymore. Injuries are a much bigger factor without the depth because coaches no longer can hold players hostage as back ups
I didn’t not expect it but it was still funny to hear a SEC advocate state that NIL doesn’t matter because players have been paid for decades…
Yes. And funny because yes mostly in the SEC. Quite the coincidence that as soon as everyone can openly pay for play we see a shift in the power of conferences. Must be solar flares.
@Maywood said: @coolstanley said: Final AP Top 25 poll Big ten has 3 teams in the top 5.
And I can't help but notice Alabama down there at 17. They sure took a tumble this season and have their work cut out for them or the alum's will be out for blood.
And 17 is too high. Most of those teams ranked behind them should be in the top 20. Bama not so much.
Youre not even trying to be objective if you think Army and UNLV and Syracuse and Memphis and Colorado should be ranked higher
Every one of those teams should be ranked ahead of Bama except Colorado. They all had better records.
If Bama played a G5 schedule they would be undefeated. They would also be undefeated with Syracuses schedule. If any of those teams played Bamas schedule they wouldnt even be bowl eligible
If Tennessee, Texas, or Georgia played a BIG TEN schedule, none would have made the playoffs. Even Finebaum admitted BIG TEN is now the best conference.
The B!G had 3 good teams.
Wrong, as usual. The BIG TEN had 5 teams that finished in the top 16 final AP poll. And went 5-1 against the SEC in bowl games.
And stop blaming the current Bama coach for Milroe. Saban recruited him, not Debour.
@Maywood said: @coolstanley said: Final AP Top 25 poll Big ten has 3 teams in the top 5.
And I can't help but notice Alabama down there at 17. They sure took a tumble this season and have their work cut out for them or the alum's will be out for blood.
And 17 is too high. Most of those teams ranked behind them should be in the top 20. Bama not so much.
Youre not even trying to be objective if you think Army and UNLV and Syracuse and Memphis and Colorado should be ranked higher
Every one of those teams should be ranked ahead of Bama except Colorado. They all had better records.
If Bama played a G5 schedule they would be undefeated. They would also be undefeated with Syracuses schedule. If any of those teams played Bamas schedule they wouldnt even be bowl eligible
If Tennessee, Texas, or Georgia played a BIG TEN schedule, none would have made the playoffs. Even Finebaum admitted BIG TEN is now the best conference.
The B!G had 3 good teams.
Wrong, as usual. The BIG TEN had 5 teams that finished in the top 16 final AP poll. And went 5-1 against the SEC in bowl games.
And stop blaming the current Bama coach for Milroe. Saban recruited him, not Debour.
They didnt legitimately have 5 of the best teams in the country. They had 2
Also as far as Milrioe Saban would have benched him at half time. i Dont blame Debour for recruiting him, but i do blame him for not benching him and thinking that RB is a QB
@Basebal21 said:
If anyone thinks the SEC was the only ones paying players for decades they just dont know college football
No one thinks that. It was the scope of it. We all knew what they were doing... The SEC conference knew what was happening. We all know college football well enough too. But guess what. No matter what we think reality wins. And look at reality - NIL+Portal has worked out pretty well for the B1G. So Ha Ha Ha. =P
Let's assume cheating as in the sign stealing for now.
NCAA found that Harbaugh wasn't involved, but there is supposedly a report that leaked that listed a handful of other coaches/other than were involved. I find it hard to believe he wasn't aware. Sign stealing was the headline, but there's no rule about sign stealing anyways. I think the breach was recording the opponents signs. Maybe he was aware of that, maybe he wasn't. The B1G, even though NCAA found Harbaugh to not have violated any rules, suspended him for the end of the season - a few games. That sent a message to teams that they were being held to a standard higher than the NCAA as a whole.
If it's the recruiting violations, he certainly did. He must have. He contacted players outside of the rules. Bad Boy. He dipped from college football to avoid facing the music. Now if he returns in 2028 does he still need to serve a 1 year suspension? Or is that only if he returns before 2028?
What in the heck is Dez talking about, maybe some of you homers can let me know.
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The firsts and last are justy funny. Michigan and OSU and Nebraska have been paying players forever. Nebraska kind of wasted it and hasnt been a force since the 1990s but is is funny
Two things that cost Ohio State Head Coaches their jobs stand out in the last 15 years. The 1st was players selling/trading their own possessions for tattoos and the 2nd is the OC being guilty of domestic violence and the HC not reporting it.
There's really no comparison between those things and what took place in Michigan during CheatGate. All the same, most every college fan I know was screaming for something to be done.
As usual, @Bullsitter vanishes only to return in an effort to slander the Big 10 and Ohio State. Nice try, but you missed the target altogether.
The Tattoo thing was stupid. There was probably some more behind the scenes stuff that the Tattoos were used to cover it up but if it really was just the tattoos that was very dumb.
The DV stuff was bad for sure and the Michigan stuff is really mostly about the recording stuff and Stallions being on the sidelines for other teams. I really dont care about recruiting stuff since all the big programs do it, but I really cant figure out why the NCAA is so terrified of punishing Michigan
every major college program makes the rules as pliable as they possibly can, and it's been going on forever. i saw an interview Shannon Sharpe had with Johnny Football and he asked him if he wished he had played in the NIL days. Manziel chuckled, held his hand up, rubbed his thumb back and forth against his index & middle fingers, and told a 7-figure anecdote.
Newton got 250k to go to Auburn, Manziel tons of money, Lendal White used to get driven home by Snoop Dog to a downtown LA apartment where a literal bag of cash would be waiting for him.
Manziel did get taken advantage of a little bit by autograph dealers signing thousands of things for well below market rates.
OSU and Smith will be interesting this off season. Smith is getting offers of 5 mil per year to enter the portal and transfer.
@Basebal21 said:
Newton got 250k to go to Auburn, Manziel tons of money, Lendal White used to get driven home by Snoop Dog to a downtown LA apartment where a literal bag of cash would be waiting for him.
Manziel did get taken advantage of a little bit by autograph dealers signing thousands of things for well below market rates.
OSU and Smith will be interesting this off season. Smith is getting offers of 5 mil per year to enter the portal and transfer.
I'm sure you know more about Cam Newton because you obviously wrote the check.
200+ was reported at the time. Cam says a lot of stuff that just isnt accurate about his recruitment. He claims he switch his commitment from Mississippi State to Auburn because of a players uncle, the reality is he just went to the highest bidder
Hes underplaying the number but either way they were the highest bidder. Was super impressive what he did with that terrible offense around him.
LenDale White is the one thats more interesting to me. Southern Cal had Reggie Bush and pretty much spent as much on White as Auburn did on Cam a few years later
@Basebal21 said:
Bama was solid until Milroe became the QB and Debour wouldnt bench him
??? Milroe has started every game for the last two seasons. When were they "solid"?
They were able to over come his deficiencies for the most part his first year. He did pretty much lose the title game to Michigan Sabans last year and it was crazy to bring him back as the starter and not even consider benching him at half time. Saban helped keep some of the guys but losing Downs to OSU was a big loss.
I dont think Beboer will will be around very long. Bama isnt going to tolerate 3 and 4 loss seasons for very long
@Basebal21 said:
Bama was solid until Milroe became the QB and Debour wouldnt bench him
??? Milroe has started every game for the last two seasons. When were they "solid"?
They were able to over come his deficiencies for the most part his first year. He did pretty much lose the title game to Michigan Sabans last year and it was crazy to bring him back as the starter and not even consider benching him at half time. Saban helped keep some of the guys but losing Downs to OSU was a big loss.
I dont think Beboer will will be around very long. Bama isnt going to tolerate 3 and 4 loss seasons for very long
I don’t think deboer will be around much longer either but I don’t actually think he’s a bad HC.
Auburn got to keep their 2010 natty despite the Cam Newton scandal. Chances are Michigan will get to keep their title, although I would like to see it taken away. Would make my day.
The 2011 OSU tattoo scandal probably cost the Buckeyes a National Championship in 2012 when they went 12-0. One of their punishments was no post season that year. If they would have been allowed to participate, it would've been Ohio State vs Notre Dame for the BCS title.
@Basebal21 what do you have against Kevin Warren? He’s actually a really smart guy and he didn’t run away from the B1G. Your representation of the media deal is not how I see it either. He did a really good job and it was increased by the teams joining. That isn’t the case for the SEC deal. Which the SEc deal is really good too but the B1G deal is like 20% better. Do you really think that stuff or are you just messing with us? Cause I actually do know Kevin and his wife and his kids. And he’s a good dude.
They were able to over come his deficiencies for the most part his first year. He did pretty much lose the title game to Michigan
@Tabe, that might just be @Basebal21 trying to perpetuate another falsehood. For the sake of clarity, I believe Michigan played the Washington Huskies last season for the NCAA Championship. Alabama was nowhere in sight.
@Basebal21 said:
Bama was solid until Milroe became the QB and Debour wouldnt bench him
??? Milroe has started every game for the last two seasons. When were they "solid"?
They were able to over come his deficiencies for the most part his first year. He did pretty much lose the title game to Michigan
They didn't play in the title game.
He definitely regressed but there's no "solid until Milroe became the QB" when he's literally started every game the last two years.
Who ever won the Michigan Bama game was winning the Natty against Washington and the game wasnt really going to be close either way. Sark seems to choke in big games at Texas. The Georgia OSU game was the real Natty too when Michigan choked against TCU and the TCU cinderalla story came to a very bad end.
I think DeBoer is a good coach for the majority of programs, I dont think hes the guy to be handling an elite program though.
Even looking at the Bama off season, Proctor came back to Bama because Saban did the work to get him back from Iowa, Downs who is probably the best safety in the country left.
Bama still sells itselfr right now, but thats only going to last for so long before DeBoer is going to have to do it himself and he really hasnt shown hes that guy yet
@coolstanley said:
Auburn got to keep their 2010 natty despite the Cam Newton scandal. Chances are Michigan will get to keep their title, although I would like to see it taken away. Would make my day.
The 2011 OSU tattoo scandal probably cost the Buckeyes a National Championship in 2012 when they went 12-0. One of their punishments was no post season that year. If they would have been allowed to participate, it would've been Ohio State vs Notre Dame for the BCS title.
The taking away titles things is just dumb to me. Everyone knows Southern Cal won in 2003 and Bushg was a Heisman and Louisville basketball won etc.
The Cam thing with Auburn was a bit weird where they acted like he didnt know anything and its weird that nothing has happened to Michigan
I get the NCAA is scared to do anything now with the SEDC and B!G making hnts they might just leave the NCAA but for nothing to happen just encourages everyone else to do the same thing. Let them keep the title but other schools have gotten major penalties for doing far less
@bgr said: @Basebal21 what do you have against Kevin Warren? He’s actually a really smart guy and he didn’t run away from the B1G. Your representation of the media deal is not how I see it either. He did a really good job and it was increased by the teams joining. That isn’t the case for the SEC deal. Which the SEc deal is really good too but the B1G deal is like 20% better. Do you really think that stuff or are you just messing with us? Cause I actually do know Kevin and his wife and his kids. And he’s a good dude.
Warren made a major mistake in the TV deal that the conference was upset about. The TV while a huge number doesnt have any increases for adding teams which is why Washington and Oregon wont get a full media share of the money until the next deal. Their shares escalate a bit over the remainder of the deal, but other schools did have to give up money for them to join.
From the wellington and Oregon part it was still a better deal for them than staying in the PAC but it was a mistake like the ACC made with their media deal. I didnt like how Warren handled the 2020 season either, but I dont have anything against him personally as I do not know him. I dont think its a coincidence though that he took a new job when some of the schools were surprised theyd have to be giving up money for expansion
@bgr said: @Basebal21 what do you have against Kevin Warren? He’s actually a really smart guy and he didn’t run away from the B1G. Your representation of the media deal is not how I see it either. He did a really good job and it was increased by the teams joining. That isn’t the case for the SEC deal. Which the SEc deal is really good too but the B1G deal is like 20% better. Do you really think that stuff or are you just messing with us? Cause I actually do know Kevin and his wife and his kids. And he’s a good dude.
Warren made a major mistake in the TV deal that the conference was upset about. The TV while a huge number doesnt have any increases for adding teams which is why Washington and Oregon wont get a full media share of the money until the next deal. Their shares escalate a bit over the remainder of the deal, but other schools did have to give up money for them to join.
From the wellington and Oregon part it was still a better deal for them than staying in the PAC but it was a mistake like the ACC made with their media deal. I didnt like how Warren handled the 2020 season either, but I dont have anything against him personally as I do not know him. I dont think its a coincidence though that he took a new job when some of the schools were surprised theyd have to be giving up money for expansion
That 50% share news was from before the deal was finalized though. The deal that got signed set an $80MM floor per member. Are you 100% positive they are only receiving a half share for 24?
@bgr said: @Basebal21 what do you have against Kevin Warren? He’s actually a really smart guy and he didn’t run away from the B1G. Your representation of the media deal is not how I see it either. He did a really good job and it was increased by the teams joining. That isn’t the case for the SEC deal. Which the SEc deal is really good too but the B1G deal is like 20% better. Do you really think that stuff or are you just messing with us? Cause I actually do know Kevin and his wife and his kids. And he’s a good dude.
Warren made a major mistake in the TV deal that the conference was upset about. The TV while a huge number doesnt have any increases for adding teams which is why Washington and Oregon wont get a full media share of the money until the next deal. Their shares escalate a bit over the remainder of the deal, but other schools did have to give up money for them to join.
From the wellington and Oregon part it was still a better deal for them than staying in the PAC but it was a mistake like the ACC made with their media deal. I didnt like how Warren handled the 2020 season either, but I dont have anything against him personally as I do not know him. I dont think its a coincidence though that he took a new job when some of the schools were surprised theyd have to be giving up money for expansion
That 50% share news was from before the deal was finalized though. The deal that got signed set an $80MM floor per member. Are you 100% positive they are only receiving a half share for 24?
Oregon and Washington will join the Big Ten in 2024 but will not receive full media rights shares then, which USC and UCLA will. Both are set to receive $30-35 million annually, according to sources, a share that will increase by $1 million during the Big Ten's media contract with Fox, NBC and CBS, which runs through the 2029-30 athletic season."
I dont really like posting links but yes Oregon and Washington basically begged to join the B!G and took a reduced media share that wont be a full share until the next deal. SMU did the same thing to a greater extend with the ACC to get in a power conference where the boosters are covering it and they dont get a media share until the next deal
@bgr said: @Basebal21 what do you have against Kevin Warren? He’s actually a really smart guy and he didn’t run away from the B1G. Your representation of the media deal is not how I see it either. He did a really good job and it was increased by the teams joining. That isn’t the case for the SEC deal. Which the SEc deal is really good too but the B1G deal is like 20% better. Do you really think that stuff or are you just messing with us? Cause I actually do know Kevin and his wife and his kids. And he’s a good dude.
Warren made a major mistake in the TV deal that the conference was upset about. The TV while a huge number doesnt have any increases for adding teams which is why Washington and Oregon wont get a full media share of the money until the next deal. Their shares escalate a bit over the remainder of the deal, but other schools did have to give up money for them to join.
From the wellington and Oregon part it was still a better deal for them than staying in the PAC but it was a mistake like the ACC made with their media deal. I didnt like how Warren handled the 2020 season either, but I dont have anything against him personally as I do not know him. I dont think its a coincidence though that he took a new job when some of the schools were surprised theyd have to be giving up money for expansion
That 50% share news was from before the deal was finalized though. The deal that got signed set an $80MM floor per member. Are you 100% positive they are only receiving a half share for 24?
Oregon and Washington will join the Big Ten in 2024 but will not receive full media rights shares then, which USC and UCLA will. Both are set to receive $30-35 million annually, according to sources, a share that will increase by $1 million during the Big Ten's media contract with Fox, NBC and CBS, which runs through the 2029-30 athletic season."
I dont really like posting links but yes Oregon and Washington basically begged to join the B!G and took a reduced media share that wont be a full share until the next deal. SMU did the same thing to a greater extend with the ACC to get in a power conference where the boosters are covering it and they dont get a media share until the next deal
So there's some truth here, but I don't find this to be accurate.
The media shares that you're talking about are 50% of the regular season revenue. I don't think Oregon or Washington don't like these because they were more than twice what they were maybe going to get in the PAC-12. Again. For the regular season. They each got a $21M share (base) for the CFP.
Do you know why the B1G deal has been reported as $7B 7 years as well as > $8B 7 years? It's because it goes up as new schools are added. This is what the most impressive aspect of the deal is. None of the other B1G school are mad because Oregon and Washington joined. Their revenue increased. Do you think Oregon and Washington are mad? They are making a ton more than they would have outside the B1G. Point is. Every team in the B1G made more than any team in the SEC. SEC was so excited when every school was going to get about $51M. Washington and Oregon got more in 2024. It was a really good deal.
I appreciate the link. It's not the most recent news on the subject, but posting references is always good.
@bgr said: @Basebal21 what do you have against Kevin Warren? He’s actually a really smart guy and he didn’t run away from the B1G. Your representation of the media deal is not how I see it either. He did a really good job and it was increased by the teams joining. That isn’t the case for the SEC deal. Which the SEc deal is really good too but the B1G deal is like 20% better. Do you really think that stuff or are you just messing with us? Cause I actually do know Kevin and his wife and his kids. And he’s a good dude.
Warren made a major mistake in the TV deal that the conference was upset about. The TV while a huge number doesnt have any increases for adding teams which is why Washington and Oregon wont get a full media share of the money until the next deal. Their shares escalate a bit over the remainder of the deal, but other schools did have to give up money for them to join.
From the wellington and Oregon part it was still a better deal for them than staying in the PAC but it was a mistake like the ACC made with their media deal. I didnt like how Warren handled the 2020 season either, but I dont have anything against him personally as I do not know him. I dont think its a coincidence though that he took a new job when some of the schools were surprised theyd have to be giving up money for expansion
That 50% share news was from before the deal was finalized though. The deal that got signed set an $80MM floor per member. Are you 100% positive they are only receiving a half share for 24?
Oregon and Washington will join the Big Ten in 2024 but will not receive full media rights shares then, which USC and UCLA will. Both are set to receive $30-35 million annually, according to sources, a share that will increase by $1 million during the Big Ten's media contract with Fox, NBC and CBS, which runs through the 2029-30 athletic season."
I dont really like posting links but yes Oregon and Washington basically begged to join the B!G and took a reduced media share that wont be a full share until the next deal. SMU did the same thing to a greater extend with the ACC to get in a power conference where the boosters are covering it and they dont get a media share until the next deal
So there's some truth here, but I don't find this to be accurate.
The media shares that you're talking about are 50% of the regular season revenue. I don't think Oregon or Washington don't like these because they were more than twice what they were maybe going to get in the PAC-12. Again. For the regular season. They each got a $21M share (base) for the CFP.
Do you know why the B1G deal has been reported as $7B 7 years as well as > $8B 7 years? It's because it goes up as new schools are added. This is what the most impressive aspect of the deal is. None of the other B1G school are mad because Oregon and Washington joined. Their revenue increased. Do you think Oregon and Washington are mad? They are making a ton more than they would have outside the B1G. Point is. Every team in the B1G made more than any team in the SEC. SEC was so excited when every school was going to get about $51M. Washington and Oregon got more in 2024. It was a really good deal.
I appreciate the link. It's not the most recent news on the subject, but posting references is always good.
As I said before even with the reduced share Oregon and Washington are getting a lot more that they would have staying in the PAC whatever the number is now. The Power conference even with reduced shares still get more than a G5 conference.
But they arent getting a full share and will not get a full share for several years until la new deal. They will get a little more every year but Southern Cal and UCLA are the ones that got the full media share.
Its okay if you dont want to believe it and Im sure your friend has a different story, but Oregon and Washington do not have a full media share
I am not really concerned with the aspect of the full media share.
I was commenting on:
Was it a good deal for the B1G.
Were Oregon and Washington sad that joining after 2023 removed one '$' from the bag of cash.
Were other schools in the B1G angry because Oregon and Washington had their hands in the cookie jar.
I think the CFP pool for the B1G was $21M per school. for each school. That is in addition to the $30M which is the half share for the regular season. I'm confident that this doesn't add up to a half share of all media revenue. I guess if no B1G team made the CFP you would be right, but that's highly unlikely. It's also going to keep getting bigger and bigger for the B1G, and also the SEC, over the next few years.
I think it's a good deal.
Now as to why Warren was on his way out as B1G commish... that's a different story.
@bgr said:
I am not really concerned with the aspect of the full media share.
I was commenting on:
Was it a good deal for the B1G.
Were Oregon and Washington sad that joining after 2023 removed one '$' from the bag of cash.
Were other schools in the B1G angry because Oregon and Washington had their hands in the cookie jar.
I think the CFP pool for the B1G was $21M per school. for each school. That is in addition to the $30M which is the half share for the regular season. I'm confident that this doesn't add up to a half share of all media revenue. I guess if no B1G team made the CFP you would be right, but that's highly unlikely. It's also going to keep getting bigger and bigger for the B1G, and also the SEC, over the next few years.
I think it's a good deal.
Now as to why Warren was on his way out as B1G commish... that's a different story.
It was a good deal for Oregon and Washington and they got more money which is why they wanted out so bad
On the long term adding Oregon and Washington their value is questionable in terms of market and TV bargaining power. Oregon is the more valuable of the two.
Theres countless articles out there about the half media share they are getting for now. It increases a bit each year but again the full share will not happen until the next media deal. ND is the only team that gets to keep all trhe playoff money instead of sharing it with a conference. I dont know what Oregon or Washington were able to secure for the playoff money but they are making less than the rest of the long time members but more than they would have staying in the PAC
@bgr said:
That’s about as close as we’re ever going to be on agreeing here. I would just be repeating myself about the total share vs the regular season share.
"Excellent question that cuts to the heart of the financial calculation for the Huskies and Ducks — and for Cal and Stanford in the ACC.
In each case, the teams are receiving partial shares of the media rights revenue (i.e., regular-season broadcast contracts) but full shares of the postseason revenue from the CFP and March Madness.
For Cal and Stanford, the partial shares work out to 33% for the first seven years before climbing for two years and reaching 100% for the last three years of the agreement.
"Oregon and Washington will receive 50% shares of Big Ten media rights revenue to the tune of $30 million in 2024 with annual $1 million escalators until the completion of its new deal with CBS, Fox and NBC, according to ESPN and The Inside Zone's Matt Fortuna."
@bgr said:
That’s about as close as we’re ever going to be on agreeing here. I would just be repeating myself about the total share vs the regular season share.
"Excellent question that cuts to the heart of the financial calculation for the Huskies and Ducks — and for Cal and Stanford in the ACC.
In each case, the teams are receiving partial shares of the media rights revenue (i.e., regular-season broadcast contracts) but full shares of the postseason revenue from the CFP and March Madness.
For Cal and Stanford, the partial shares work out to 33% for the first seven years before climbing for two years and reaching 100% for the last three years of the agreement.
"Oregon and Washington will receive 50% shares of Big Ten media rights revenue to the tune of $30 million in 2024 with annual $1 million escalators until the completion of its new deal with CBS, Fox and NBC, according to ESPN and The Inside Zone's Matt Fortuna."
Oregon and Washington are not getting a full media share, its no an opinion its a fact
A fact im not disputing. Im saying that it’s more than 50%. These are different things. It’s 50% for the regular season in 24. Then it goes up every year by $1M. You said this yourself. Then in 27 the new CFP deal will increase their shares more. They also get a full share of playoff revenue. That is in the article you’re quoting. It really doesn’t get more clear than that.
I was just saying it’s a good deal in the beginning. You’re like hunting for some weird angle to argue but I never said they were full shares of the total media revenue. I just said they’re not 50% share of the total media revenue.
You’ll probably say they are 50% share and I don’t want to go around in circles so believe what you want.
@Maywood said:
I don't slink away because my team lost and then resurface periodically to try to stir things up. Up North we have a term for people who do that.
@bgr said:
That’s about as close as we’re ever going to be on agreeing here. I would just be repeating myself about the total share vs the regular season share.
"Excellent question that cuts to the heart of the financial calculation for the Huskies and Ducks — and for Cal and Stanford in the ACC.
In each case, the teams are receiving partial shares of the media rights revenue (i.e., regular-season broadcast contracts) but full shares of the postseason revenue from the CFP and March Madness.
For Cal and Stanford, the partial shares work out to 33% for the first seven years before climbing for two years and reaching 100% for the last three years of the agreement.
"Oregon and Washington will receive 50% shares of Big Ten media rights revenue to the tune of $30 million in 2024 with annual $1 million escalators until the completion of its new deal with CBS, Fox and NBC, according to ESPN and The Inside Zone's Matt Fortuna."
Oregon and Washington are not getting a full media share, its no an opinion its a fact
A fact im not disputing. Im saying that it’s more than 50%. These are different things. It’s 50% for the regular season in 24. Then it goes up every year by $1M. You said this yourself. Then in 27 the new CFP deal will increase their shares more. They also get a full share of playoff revenue. That is in the article you’re quoting. It really doesn’t get more clear than that.
I was just saying it’s a good deal in the beginning. You’re like hunting for some weird angle to argue but I never said they were full shares of the total media revenue. I just said they’re not 50% share of the total media revenue.
You’ll probably say they are 50% share and I don’t want to go around in circles so believe what you want.
believe what you want. Its well documented Y multiple sources that Oregon and Washington where never offered deferred money but took significantly less to join the B!G. Its well documented they had to do a lot to get accepted
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No other teams had significant injuries. Only SEC teams.
You’re absolutely right Maywood. We’re seeing this shift as a result of the fairness NIL is providing, and the movement allowed by the portal. For parity it’s great. I’m not sure how much I like what it’s doing to college football in general but I get it.
Players were being paid for decades. It was most prominent in the SEC as the conference didn’t do anything. It was present elsewhere but at a much lesser space. bullsitter posted that graphic showing the dominance of the SEC but what it also says is. Now that it’s fair look.
NIL doesnt matter for football or basketball. Those guys have been paid for decades. Caitlin and Livvy were some of the biggest benefits. NIL really helped the sports that dont make money the most.
The transfer portal is the biggest equalizer. Its taken away the depth for the top teams and players no longer sit around for years anymore. Injuries are a much bigger factor without the depth because coaches no longer can hold players hostage as back ups
Wisconsin 2-6 against the SEC since 2007
I didn’t not expect it but it was still funny to hear a SEC advocate state that NIL doesn’t matter because players have been paid for decades…
Yes. And funny because yes mostly in the SEC. Quite the coincidence that as soon as everyone can openly pay for play we see a shift in the power of conferences. Must be solar flares.
If anyone thinks the SEC was the only ones paying players for decades they just dont know college football
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Wrong, as usual. The BIG TEN had 5 teams that finished in the top 16 final AP poll. And went 5-1 against the SEC in bowl games.
And stop blaming the current Bama coach for Milroe. Saban recruited him, not Debour.
Terry Bradshaw was AMAZING!!
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They didnt legitimately have 5 of the best teams in the country. They had 2
Also as far as Milrioe Saban would have benched him at half time. i Dont blame Debour for recruiting him, but i do blame him for not benching him and thinking that RB is a QB
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No one thinks that. It was the scope of it. We all knew what they were doing... The SEC conference knew what was happening. We all know college football well enough too. But guess what. No matter what we think reality wins. And look at reality - NIL+Portal has worked out pretty well for the B1G. So Ha Ha Ha. =P
Michigan got caught cheating last year.
I haven't heard, maybe some of you homers can let me know.
B!G commissioner ran to the Bears because the conference hated that he didnt have the conference get more money if it expanded.
NCAA is just a joke being terrified to do anything to Michigan
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The cheating was the sign stealing right? Last year was 24. That was 23.
The 24 stuff was recruiting violations. Right?
What in the heck is Dez talking about, maybe some of you homers can let me know.
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Let's assume cheating as in the sign stealing for now.
NCAA found that Harbaugh wasn't involved, but there is supposedly a report that leaked that listed a handful of other coaches/other than were involved. I find it hard to believe he wasn't aware. Sign stealing was the headline, but there's no rule about sign stealing anyways. I think the breach was recording the opponents signs. Maybe he was aware of that, maybe he wasn't. The B1G, even though NCAA found Harbaugh to not have violated any rules, suspended him for the end of the season - a few games. That sent a message to teams that they were being held to a standard higher than the NCAA as a whole.
If it's the recruiting violations, he certainly did. He must have. He contacted players outside of the rules. Bad Boy. He dipped from college football to avoid facing the music. Now if he returns in 2028 does he still need to serve a 1 year suspension? Or is that only if he returns before 2028?
Tattoos for Autographs. This was huge. Some players were getting free tattoos in exchange for autographing memorabilia.
The firsts and last are justy funny. Michigan and OSU and Nebraska have been paying players forever. Nebraska kind of wasted it and hasnt been a force since the 1990s but is is funny
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Two things that cost Ohio State Head Coaches their jobs stand out in the last 15 years. The 1st was players selling/trading their own possessions for tattoos and the 2nd is the OC being guilty of domestic violence and the HC not reporting it.
There's really no comparison between those things and what took place in Michigan during CheatGate. All the same, most every college fan I know was screaming for something to be done.
As usual, @Bullsitter vanishes only to return in an effort to slander the Big 10 and Ohio State. Nice try, but you missed the target altogether.
The Tattoo thing was stupid. There was probably some more behind the scenes stuff that the Tattoos were used to cover it up but if it really was just the tattoos that was very dumb.
The DV stuff was bad for sure and the Michigan stuff is really mostly about the recording stuff and Stallions being on the sidelines for other teams. I really dont care about recruiting stuff since all the big programs do it, but I really cant figure out why the NCAA is so terrified of punishing Michigan
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@Maywood
But it's ok for you to slander the SEC.....got it.....
A red tattoo on your left arm got you a free car at OSU Motors......
I don't slink away because my team lost and then resurface periodically to try to stir things up. Up North we have a term for people who do that.
Id get a tat iif it came with a free car too lol
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every major college program makes the rules as pliable as they possibly can, and it's been going on forever. i saw an interview Shannon Sharpe had with Johnny Football and he asked him if he wished he had played in the NIL days. Manziel chuckled, held his hand up, rubbed his thumb back and forth against his index & middle fingers, and told a 7-figure anecdote.
you'll never be able to outrun a bad diet
Newton got 250k to go to Auburn, Manziel tons of money, Lendal White used to get driven home by Snoop Dog to a downtown LA apartment where a literal bag of cash would be waiting for him.
Manziel did get taken advantage of a little bit by autograph dealers signing thousands of things for well below market rates.
OSU and Smith will be interesting this off season. Smith is getting offers of 5 mil per year to enter the portal and transfer.
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I'm sure you know more about Cam Newton because you obviously wrote the check.
He was on Shannon Sharpe's show (Shannon is his uncle). Cam said 180K. I'm going to take your post and submit it to the IRS for my reward my guy!
200+ was reported at the time. Cam says a lot of stuff that just isnt accurate about his recruitment. He claims he switch his commitment from Mississippi State to Auburn because of a players uncle, the reality is he just went to the highest bidder
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So no reason to believe 250K any more than 180K. I don't. I don't know what's real or right.
??? Milroe has started every game for the last two seasons. When were they "solid"?
Hes underplaying the number but either way they were the highest bidder. Was super impressive what he did with that terrible offense around him.
LenDale White is the one thats more interesting to me. Southern Cal had Reggie Bush and pretty much spent as much on White as Auburn did on Cam a few years later
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They were able to over come his deficiencies for the most part his first year. He did pretty much lose the title game to Michigan Sabans last year and it was crazy to bring him back as the starter and not even consider benching him at half time. Saban helped keep some of the guys but losing Downs to OSU was a big loss.
I dont think Beboer will will be around very long. Bama isnt going to tolerate 3 and 4 loss seasons for very long
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I don’t think deboer will be around much longer either but I don’t actually think he’s a bad HC.
Auburn got to keep their 2010 natty despite the Cam Newton scandal. Chances are Michigan will get to keep their title, although I would like to see it taken away. Would make my day.
The 2011 OSU tattoo scandal probably cost the Buckeyes a National Championship in 2012 when they went 12-0. One of their punishments was no post season that year. If they would have been allowed to participate, it would've been Ohio State vs Notre Dame for the BCS title.
Terry Bradshaw was AMAZING!!
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@Basebal21 what do you have against Kevin Warren? He’s actually a really smart guy and he didn’t run away from the B1G. Your representation of the media deal is not how I see it either. He did a really good job and it was increased by the teams joining. That isn’t the case for the SEC deal. Which the SEc deal is really good too but the B1G deal is like 20% better. Do you really think that stuff or are you just messing with us? Cause I actually do know Kevin and his wife and his kids. And he’s a good dude.
They didn't play in the title game.
He definitely regressed but there's no "solid until Milroe became the QB" when he's literally started every game the last two years.
They were able to over come his deficiencies for the most part his first year. He did pretty much lose the title game to Michigan
@Tabe, that might just be @Basebal21 trying to perpetuate another falsehood.
For the sake of clarity, I believe Michigan played the Washington Huskies last season for the NCAA Championship. Alabama was nowhere in sight.
Who ever won the Michigan Bama game was winning the Natty against Washington and the game wasnt really going to be close either way. Sark seems to choke in big games at Texas. The Georgia OSU game was the real Natty too when Michigan choked against TCU and the TCU cinderalla story came to a very bad end.
I think DeBoer is a good coach for the majority of programs, I dont think hes the guy to be handling an elite program though.
Even looking at the Bama off season, Proctor came back to Bama because Saban did the work to get him back from Iowa, Downs who is probably the best safety in the country left.
Bama still sells itselfr right now, but thats only going to last for so long before DeBoer is going to have to do it himself and he really hasnt shown hes that guy yet
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The taking away titles things is just dumb to me. Everyone knows Southern Cal won in 2003 and Bushg was a Heisman and Louisville basketball won etc.
The Cam thing with Auburn was a bit weird where they acted like he didnt know anything and its weird that nothing has happened to Michigan
I get the NCAA is scared to do anything now with the SEDC and B!G making hnts they might just leave the NCAA but for nothing to happen just encourages everyone else to do the same thing. Let them keep the title but other schools have gotten major penalties for doing far less
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Warren made a major mistake in the TV deal that the conference was upset about. The TV while a huge number doesnt have any increases for adding teams which is why Washington and Oregon wont get a full media share of the money until the next deal. Their shares escalate a bit over the remainder of the deal, but other schools did have to give up money for them to join.
From the wellington and Oregon part it was still a better deal for them than staying in the PAC but it was a mistake like the ACC made with their media deal. I didnt like how Warren handled the 2020 season either, but I dont have anything against him personally as I do not know him. I dont think its a coincidence though that he took a new job when some of the schools were surprised theyd have to be giving up money for expansion
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That's it for me, I need to go revise my "Ignore" list.
That 50% share news was from before the deal was finalized though. The deal that got signed set an $80MM floor per member. Are you 100% positive they are only receiving a half share for 24?
Oregon and Washington will join the Big Ten in 2024 but will not receive full media rights shares then, which USC and UCLA will. Both are set to receive $30-35 million annually, according to sources, a share that will increase by $1 million during the Big Ten's media contract with Fox, NBC and CBS, which runs through the 2029-30 athletic season."
https://www.espn.com/college-football/story/_/id/38346544/oregon-washington-had-inbound-interest-join-big-ten-commish-says
I dont really like posting links but yes Oregon and Washington basically begged to join the B!G and took a reduced media share that wont be a full share until the next deal. SMU did the same thing to a greater extend with the ACC to get in a power conference where the boosters are covering it and they dont get a media share until the next deal
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So there's some truth here, but I don't find this to be accurate.
The media shares that you're talking about are 50% of the regular season revenue. I don't think Oregon or Washington don't like these because they were more than twice what they were maybe going to get in the PAC-12. Again. For the regular season. They each got a $21M share (base) for the CFP.
Do you know why the B1G deal has been reported as $7B 7 years as well as > $8B 7 years? It's because it goes up as new schools are added. This is what the most impressive aspect of the deal is. None of the other B1G school are mad because Oregon and Washington joined. Their revenue increased. Do you think Oregon and Washington are mad? They are making a ton more than they would have outside the B1G. Point is. Every team in the B1G made more than any team in the SEC. SEC was so excited when every school was going to get about $51M. Washington and Oregon got more in 2024. It was a really good deal.
I appreciate the link. It's not the most recent news on the subject, but posting references is always good.
As I said before even with the reduced share Oregon and Washington are getting a lot more that they would have staying in the PAC whatever the number is now. The Power conference even with reduced shares still get more than a G5 conference.
But they arent getting a full share and will not get a full share for several years until la new deal. They will get a little more every year but Southern Cal and UCLA are the ones that got the full media share.
Its okay if you dont want to believe it and Im sure your friend has a different story, but Oregon and Washington do not have a full media share
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I am not really concerned with the aspect of the full media share.
I was commenting on:
I think the CFP pool for the B1G was $21M per school. for each school. That is in addition to the $30M which is the half share for the regular season. I'm confident that this doesn't add up to a half share of all media revenue. I guess if no B1G team made the CFP you would be right, but that's highly unlikely. It's also going to keep getting bigger and bigger for the B1G, and also the SEC, over the next few years.
I think it's a good deal.
Now as to why Warren was on his way out as B1G commish... that's a different story.
It was a good deal for Oregon and Washington and they got more money which is why they wanted out so bad
On the long term adding Oregon and Washington their value is questionable in terms of market and TV bargaining power. Oregon is the more valuable of the two.
Theres countless articles out there about the half media share they are getting for now. It increases a bit each year but again the full share will not happen until the next media deal. ND is the only team that gets to keep all trhe playoff money instead of sharing it with a conference. I dont know what Oregon or Washington were able to secure for the playoff money but they are making less than the rest of the long time members but more than they would have staying in the PAC
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That’s about as close as we’re ever going to be on agreeing here. I would just be repeating myself about the total share vs the regular season share.
"Excellent question that cuts to the heart of the financial calculation for the Huskies and Ducks — and for Cal and Stanford in the ACC.
In each case, the teams are receiving partial shares of the media rights revenue (i.e., regular-season broadcast contracts) but full shares of the postseason revenue from the CFP and March Madness.
For Cal and Stanford, the partial shares work out to 33% for the first seven years before climbing for two years and reaching 100% for the last three years of the agreement.
https://www.seattletimes.com/sports/uw-huskies/pac-12-and-mountain-wests-deadline-big-ten-revenue-and-more-mailbag/
"Oregon and Washington will receive 50% shares of Big Ten media rights revenue to the tune of $30 million in 2024 with annual $1 million escalators until the completion of its new deal with CBS, Fox and NBC, according to ESPN and The Inside Zone's Matt Fortuna."
https://www.cbssports.com/college-football/news/oregon-washington-join-big-ten-programs-depart-pac-12-in-2024-after-serving-as-charter-members-since-1915/
Oregon and Washington are not getting a full media share, its no an opinion its a fact
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A fact im not disputing. Im saying that it’s more than 50%. These are different things. It’s 50% for the regular season in 24. Then it goes up every year by $1M. You said this yourself. Then in 27 the new CFP deal will increase their shares more. They also get a full share of playoff revenue. That is in the article you’re quoting. It really doesn’t get more clear than that.
I was just saying it’s a good deal in the beginning. You’re like hunting for some weird angle to argue but I never said they were full shares of the total media revenue. I just said they’re not 50% share of the total media revenue.
You’ll probably say they are 50% share and I don’t want to go around in circles so believe what you want.
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Spit it out Skippy, don't be afraid.
believe what you want. Its well documented Y multiple sources that Oregon and Washington where never offered deferred money but took significantly less to join the B!G. Its well documented they had to do a lot to get accepted
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