@element159 said:
My CFP bracket projection:
1. Big 10 winner, bye into Rose Bowl.
2. SEC winner, bye into Sugar Bowl.
3,4. ACC/MWC/Big12 winners. Only 2 get these seeds and the bye, the third will be the '5th conference champ'.
5,6,7. Big 10 loser/SEC loser/Notre Dame.
8,9. Tennessee vs Ohio State.
10,11,12. 5th conference champ and last 2 at-large bids. (Indiana, Alabama?)
Agree with most of that. If PSU and UGA lose, ND probably gets the coveted 5 slot - hard to put a 1 loss ND behind a 2 loss PSU and a 3 loss UGA given how every playoff committee since the beginning of time gives ND the benefit of the doubt. Of course, I think UGA beats TX, so it’ll probably be TX at 5, ND at 6, 7 likely goes to OSU with PSU at 8.
As a PSU guy I’m surprised to see only a 3.5 pt spread - Oregon should demolish us.
@element159 said:
Btw, I don't mean that the Big 10 loser is the 5 seed for sure, just that the B10/SEC losers/ND share the 5,6,7 seeds in some order TBD.
Yeah, I figured that’s what you meant - I was just offering my thoughts on how those slots could be filled. I’ve heard “the committee won’t hurt the losers of the championship games” but also “if PSU loses OSU will jump them due to the head to head result” so I was throwing that in there.
ND is unfortunately probably locked in at 5 now unless Texas or Oregon loses. GA or Tennessee could potentially get the spot but probably not.
5th might not be the best spot either with how they have been ranking Boise. 6th would have been best last week with Boise being ranked 11th. If UNLV beats Boise than 5 becomes the best spot again.
I know the committee keeps saying that they wont punish teams for the conference championship game but what they almost certainly mean is that they wont drop out of the playoffs the SEC or B!G conference championship loser.
ND is in unfortunately. Oregon, Texas, Tennessee, PSU, OSU Georgia are all in as well. ASU Iowa State winner has to get in. Boise UNVL winner will likely be in, maybe Tulane steals that spot. That gets us to 9 teams and the SMU Clemson winner has to get in making it 10.
Now we have the real problem. The real USC just beat Clemson who was ranked 12th and Bama and Ole Miss were both ranked ahead of South Carolina and beat them head to head including Ole Miss doing it in dominate fashion. You really start getting into the weeds with Bama beating Georgia.
Miami should be out, Indiana should be out especially with how poorly their loss to OSU has aged which was their only real game but we will have to see if the committee actually does it. Miami would be the harder one for them to drop out but Indiana would be easy. The ACC and Big 12 should both be 1 bid conferences this year.
That would leave 2 spots left. I dont see how SMU and Clemson both get in with South Carolina, Alabama, Ole Miss all sitting right there and the Miami and Indiana problem. Miami and Indiana shouldnt be a problem but they ranked both of them way to high all year and made a bad spot for themselves.
I think everyone knows that Indiana isn't going to do anything in the CFP, but Miami still has the ability to outscore anyone even if their defense takes games off. As for the rest of the teams on the bubble I can't get past "who cares".
I haven't posted here in months, many months, but since nobody else has said it I will: Ryan Day must go!! No matter how the rest of the season/playoffs end, he must go. Only good fortune with a new format has saved Ohio State this season as the Head Coach and his staff have squandered a talented team.
This cut/paste below of an article says it better than I ever could.
I don’t know if the Buckeye administration will pull the plug now ahead of the College Football Playoff or it will wait to see if Ohio State can win a national championship to make up for its fourth straight loss to Michigan. But anything short of a national title coupled with Saturday’s embarrassing three-point loss to a deeply flawed Wolverine squad should lead to Day’s dismissal. Your job as the head football coach of Ohio State is to beat Michigan, whether That Team Up North is great, good or not-so-good. And Day can’t beat any of those versions of Michigan. The Buckeyes lost to a five-loss Michigan team led by a quarterback who threw just 62 yards in the game and tossed two interceptions.
Ohio State’s defense was terrific, but its offensive game plan was horrendous. The Buckeyes kept trying to run the ball up the middle, even when they couldn’t, and they didn’t throw the ball to their otherworldly receivers nearly enough. Freshman phenom Jeremiah Smith had a wide-open touchdown catch late in the second quarter … and then was only targeted twice in the entire second half. He was not targeted at any point in the final 25 minutes of a one-possession game against a hated rival. That is coaching malpractice. As was the late fourth-quarter penalty for illegal substitution on third-and-two that gave Michigan a fresh set of downs ahead of the eventual game-winning field goal. And the lasting image of the game, Day standing on the field alone as his players fought Wolverines over a Block M flag planted on the field, Day doing nothing to intervene.
There’s not much left to say about Day’s tenure at Ohio State at this point. He’s lost 10 total games over six seasons, and four of them have come against Michigan. His Buckeyes are far more talented than the Wolverines this season — and his donors spent $20 million to retain and attract said talent — and were 20.5-point favorites heading into Saturday’s edition of The Game for a reason. This is a loss that will never be forgotten or excused, and it feels like it has to be the final nail in the coffin for a coach who wins a lot of games but not the big ones.
ultimately i couldn't care less about either Ohio St or Michigan. with that said, here's an unbiased .02 from someone who watched every snap of that game.
i know Ohio St has like 237 wide receivers that are projected to be drafted at the next level. yet that entire game they tried to prove that they were tougher than Michigan in the trenches, rather than allow their playmakers to make plays and put a severely undermanned opponent to sleep. i said during the game that whoever was calling the plays for Ohio St must be a hit at parties. 1 yard. 2 yards. no yards. negative yards. right up the gut, over and over and over. i also mentioned up above that on a 3rd and long in the red zone i watched with my own two eyes the Buckeyes dial up a draw play that went for zero yards. i'm not even sure Matt Eberflus' brain would have gone there. then their kicker who acted like he had never kicked a football in his life shanked a drive out of bounds. i also read somewhere that after that stud Jeremiah Smith caught a wide open TD pass, they targeted him two more times the rest of the game. TWO.
Day & Co. are paid handsomely to put their kids in the best possible position to win games. and ESPECIALLY the biggest one on their schedule. yet the game plan they devised and implemented did one thing and one thing only -- allowed 23.5-pt underdog Michigan to win. seriously, that's what i think. their idiocy made that game a pick'em when a competent coaching staff would have taken the Wolverines behind the woodshed and beat the hell out of them. it was basically 4 quarters of coaching malpractice, and the Buckeyes got exactly what they deserved as a result.
I opted to watch the Illinois-NW game instead. By reading some of the comments, I suspect there are others that wish they had.
In view of the fact that so many have offered thoughts, opinions and even suggestions as to the game followed by the status of the OSU coach, it just seems that some programs have an abundance of talent. And that really calls into question... and justifiably so... how effective is that talent being utilized? On paper, a program can have all 4- and 5-star prospects but how is that talent being groomed? Seems throughout this season OSU has had ample opportunity to display the talent they have far beyond the one-dimensional offensive plan that simply has not met expectations. Michigan was not the first game this season whereby OSU under-utilized their talent. And this caught up with the Buckeyes in a rivalry game for which there really are no excuses.
I suspect this could be the greatest upset in the history of the OSU-UM rivalry. While I did not witness the game, it clearly is in the top three and might surpass UM's 9-3 upset at Columbus in the great snow bowl of 1950. I do recall UM's 24-12 upset of OSU at Ann Arbor in 1969.
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@coinkat said:
I opted to watch the Illinois-NW game instead. By reading some of the comments, I suspect there are others that wish they had.
In view of the fact that so many have offered thoughts, opinions and even suggestions as to the game followed by the status of the OSU coach, it just seems that some programs have an abundance of talent. And that really calls into question... and justifiably so... how effective is that talent being utilized? On paper, a program can have all 4- and 5-star prospects but how is that talent being groomed? Seems throughout this season OSU has had ample opportunity to display the talent they have far beyond the one-dimensional offensive plan that simply has not met expectations. Michigan was not the first game this season whereby OSU under-utilized their talent. And this caught up with the Buckeyes in a rivalry game for which there really are no excuses.
I suspect this could be the greatest upset in the history of the OSU-UM rivalry. While I did not witness the game, it clearly is in the top three and might surpass UM's 9-3 upset at Columbus in the great snow bowl of 1950. I do recall UM's 24-12 upset of OSU at Ann Arbor in 1969.
It was a great game and had you on the edge of your seat waiting for OSU to play to their strengths, that actually lasted throughout the whole game lol
Epic upset and I do not believe OSU will even think about keeping Day to try again against Michigan.
Best WR's in the conference and they outsmarted themselves by not playing their strength
It reminded me of another team refusing to play to their strength when Harbaugh refused to run the ball in the AFC Championship game last year in which they lost to the Chiefs 17-10
btw there is something to be said for bringing a knife to a gun fight and stabbing your foe repeatedly. and that's precisely what Michigan did. i'm not even sure those kids' own mommas thought they would win that game. but no one can tell you how much confidence to exude and how hard to play.
@Bullsitter said:
How much did OSU pay for their kicker?
Can they get their money back?
Add kicker to the list of needs to address in the portal.
He missed an easy 42-yarder against Oregon (that would have been the margin of the game) and kicked three consecutive kickoffs out of bounds.
Last season, he missed 40-something yarders against Michigan, Missouri, and Penn State in a one-score game.
Bottom line is that this kid simply cannot kick under pressure. Any hint of adversity and he crumples like a rag. I don't blame the kid because I'm sure he wishes he didn't have the yips, but if you don't have the mental toughness, you shouldn't be starting for Ohio State.
It should have never mattered. Michigan isnt a good team and has the worst QB and QB room in all of the power conferences, some of the G% too. Then an average at best Michigan team was missing their TE and best corner. The kicker wasnt the problem. The game never should have never relied on kicking a couple FGs as 3 TD favorites at home against a team that their only offense it to run it up the middle
At least they didnt get beat by a 6-6 team by 3 touchdowns.
The top 4 spots are for conference champions. They arent in a conference. Its literally impossible
You just never, ever, ever, ever can admit that you are wrong. Everyone knows that the top 4 seeds in the CFP are based on conference champion that is not what was being discussed.
The beauty of forums is you can just go and look at past posts. For those thinking basebal made some sort of amazing point, here is additional context:
@burghman said: If ND is undefeated they’re ranked in the top 4. Not seeded in the top 4 for the playoffs, obviously, but they’ll be ranked there and possibly seeded 5 (or 6, if one of the teams higher in the top 4 lost their conference championship).
and basebal's response: ND wont be ranked in the top 4 even if undefeated unless everyone else loses a ton of games. Their schedule is weak this year. A&M, FSU, Louisville, and USC are their only real games. A&M has a new coach and lost some elite guys, FSU and USC have new QBs and Riley at USC has never proven he can have a real defense, Louisville will benefit from the ACC but isnt anything special. ND has 2 bye weeks, no championship, Miami of OH/Navy/Army/Perdue/Northern Illinois/Stanford/UVA.Georgia Tech as as their other opponents
Just for those reading at home, we were not talking SEEDINGS in the CFP but rather RANKINGS. So even after losing to NIU, ND is still going to be ranked in the top 4. So net net, basebal was dead wrong as usual. He pontificates quite a bit on these forums. However, when you start digging into what he says, a lot of the time he doesn't actually know what he is talking about.
He pontificates quite a bit on these forums. However, when you start digging into what he says, a lot of the time he doesn't actually know what he is talking about.
the unfortunate thing is that he's an ideal member of a forum like this. he's clearly passionate about sports. but when you bloviate like it's going out of style and sextuple down when it's apparent to everyone blessed with eyesight that your take is laughably misguided, that's when you reach a point where no one can take you seriously. and i don't think there's a single person here who does. but i give the guy credit, he remains undeterred.
@fergie23 said: ND has basically no chance of finishing in the top 4 in the next two years
Resurrecting this gem from basebal back in Feb for folks that haven't figured out basebal doesn't actually know as much as he believes he does.
Even after losing to NIU (NIU!!!!), ND will end the season in the top 4. Oregon and Penn St play each other, so it is a lock.
Robb
They literally cant.
The top 4 spots are for conference champions. They arent in a conference. Its literally impossible
So the upcoming game may be their "Championship"?
Their seasons already over, that Southern Cal game was their Championship. They did get lucky this year that FSU and Southern Cal were so bad. Only way they can finish the year top 4 is making the playoff Semi Finals
Theyre basically just waiting to see what spot they get in that 5-8 range. Unless Boise loses Im not sure Id want that 5 spot because that means youre playing playing Bama while lower ranked teams will get Boise or Indiana unless the committee decides to drop Indiana
@Bullsitter said:
How much did OSU pay for their kicker?
Can they get their money back?
Add kicker to the list of needs to address in the portal.
He missed an easy 42-yarder against Oregon (that would have been the margin of the game) and kicked three consecutive kickoffs out of bounds.
Last season, he missed 40-something yarders against Michigan, Missouri, and Penn State in a one-score game.
Bottom line is that this kid simply cannot kick under pressure. Any hint of adversity and he crumples like a rag. I don't blame the kid because I'm sure he wishes he didn't have the yips, but if you don't have the mental toughness, you shouldn't be starting for Ohio State.
It should have never mattered. Michigan isnt a good team and has the worst QB and QB room in all of the power conferences, some of the G% too. Then an average at best Michigan team was missing their TE and best corner. The kicker wasnt the problem. The game never should have never relied on kicking a couple FGs as 3 TD favorites at home against a team that their only offense it to run it up the middle
At least they didnt get beat by a 6-6 team by 3 touchdowns.
Theres no at least there. That loss to Michigan was far worse. Their QB had 6 passing TDs on the season and they even fired their OC and QBs coach after beating OSU at OSU Michigan was so bad
Boises in a weird spot, beat UNLV and theyre top 4, lose to UNLV and theyre out of the playoffs
Ole Miss and Miami are dead saying they wont change the order of teams that dont play. Wasnt clear if theyd be willing to drop a team out that did play but Bama could be out if SMU or Boise lose
@coolstanley said:
People are upset that Alabama is ahead of Miami and I dont blame them. Alabama has two bad losses and one where they got blown out.
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Worried OSU might have to play Bama and I don't blame you.
BTW, games played against the current CFP TOP 25, Alabama is 3-1 and OSU is 2-1 and Miami is 0-1
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Miami has a better record. Alabama lost to two 6-6 teams and got destroyed by 3 touchdowns in one of those games. They shouldnt be ranked in the top 20.
I know Bill isn’t a sour puss all the time, but can you imagine him navigating the new landscape of NIL and re-recruiting his team every single year? I can’t see him dealing with that headache. Having said that, as a PSU guy I hope OSU does it! 🤣
Living in Vegas, and working all UNLV games, I am hoping the Rebels can beat Boise State tonight. That'll be the end of the road, of course, but a dream season if they sneak into the playoffs! Go Rebs!
OSU is a great school…and has a great football tradition… but from where I sit, it is and might always be a thankless head coaching job that is really more trouble than it is worth. There is something to be said about creating your own legacy instead of trying to measure up to expectations that only become more intense as time passes.
I suppose we might have an interesting conversation about the IU coach in 7-10 years. Or we could recognize the job Bill Snyder did at K State in terms of creating a legacy from nothing… excluding Lynn Waldorf’s one season wonder in 1934.
Best of luck to those involved in the selection process should that be the avenue pursued.
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OSU is a great school…and has a great football tradition… but from where I sit, it is and might always be a thankless head coaching job that is really more trouble than it is worth. There is something to be said about creating your own legacy instead of trying to measure up to expectations that only become more intense as time passes.
I suppose we might have an interesting conversation about the IU coach in 7-10 years. Or we could recognize the job Bill Snyder did at K State in terms of creating a legacy from nothing… excluding Lynn Waldorf’s one season wonder in 1934.
Best of luck to those involved in the selection process should that be the avenue pursued.
Yup. Sort of like the coaches coming after John Wooden at UCLA. Final 4 wasn't enough!
@larryallen73 said:
Living in Vegas, and working all UNLV games, I am hoping the Rebels can beat Boise State tonight. That'll be the end of the road, of course, but a dream season if they sneak into the playoffs! Go Rebs!
Thats going to be a hard spot if they do. UNLV is in the playoffs if they win and then the committee will have to drop Boise out or put in two MWC teams which would be a joke
@burghman said:
I know Bill isn’t a sour puss all the time, but can you imagine him navigating the new landscape of NIL and re-recruiting his team every single year? I can’t see him dealing with that headache. Having said that, as a PSU guy I hope OSU does it! 🤣
Lol hed be a horrendous college coach. He knows it, everyone else knows it.
Supposedly his interest and why he interviewed at UNC is that he would take a job for 2 years get some publicity and his son who is the DC at Washington would be assured to be the next head coach when he "retires" as part of the contract.
A major program would be insane to hire him and would be very funny if OSU did. He he coached a college team anything like he coached the Pats theyd probably have to forfeit the season because everyone transferred
@Maywood said:
At Ohio State, here's my plea for Ryan Day to hit the bricks and the Buckeyes to hire Bill Belichick!!
Day is probably one good kicker away from being undefeated right now. And he just landed another top 5 recruiting class on national signing day this week.
@Maywood said:
At Ohio State, here's my plea for Ryan Day to hit the bricks and the Buckeyes to hire Bill Belichick!!
Day is probably one good kicker away from being undefeated right now. And he just landed another top 5 recruiting class on national signing day this week.
Hes had a top 5 class every year, it doesnt matter. Theyve had the best roster in the B!G every year hes been there
Boise has tried to throw at least 4 INTs but should win the game in dominate fashion. Nice gift for who they get matched up against. Probably better in the end to not have the should it be Boise or Bama nonsense if UNLV won
@Basebal21 said:
Boise has tried to throw at least 4 INTs but should win the game in dominate fashion. Nice gift for who they get matched up against. Probably better in the end to not have the should it be Boise or Bama nonsense if UNLV won
I was bummed but UNLV just didn't show up last night. I like the small schools but likely to be a real wake up call for Boise next game! Although, I keep reminding myself they hung with Oregon at the beginning of the season.
@Basebal21 said:
Boise has tried to throw at least 4 INTs but should win the game in dominate fashion. Nice gift for who they get matched up against. Probably better in the end to not have the should it be Boise or Bama nonsense if UNLV won
I was bummed but UNLV just didn't show up last night. I like the small schools but likely to be a real wake up call for Boise next game! Although, I keep reminding myself they hung with Oregon at the beginning of the season.
UNLV really did not show up to play for whatever reason. Boise kept trying to give the game away and UNLV was like no no its yours you take it.
Hopefully the committee stops being stupid and gives ASU the bye in the top 4 over Boise. Boise getting a bye would be an absolute joke
Good thing for Georgia that they won the game. People are saying that they could've been left out because of Beck's injury. This incident has reignited discussions on the College Football Playoff (CFP) criteria, particularly in light of last year's exclusion of Florida State due to a similar quarterback injury scenario. Despite Beck's absence, backup quarterback Gunner Stockton stepped up, leading Georgia to a narrow victory with a score of 22-19. This performance might sway the CFP committee, although the debate continues on whether Georgia should face the same fate as Florida State, where quarterback health played a role in playoff decisions. The narrative around Georgia's playoff chances now hinges not only on their record but also on how the committee interprets the impact of quarterback injuries.
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Agree with most of that. If PSU and UGA lose, ND probably gets the coveted 5 slot - hard to put a 1 loss ND behind a 2 loss PSU and a 3 loss UGA given how every playoff committee since the beginning of time gives ND the benefit of the doubt. Of course, I think UGA beats TX, so it’ll probably be TX at 5, ND at 6, 7 likely goes to OSU with PSU at 8.
As a PSU guy I’m surprised to see only a 3.5 pt spread - Oregon should demolish us.
Jim
Btw, I don't mean that the Big 10 loser is the 5 seed for sure, just that the B10/SEC losers/ND share the 5,6,7 seeds in some order TBD.
How soon will this be?
"When they can't find anything wrong with you, they create it!"
Yeah, I figured that’s what you meant - I was just offering my thoughts on how those slots could be filled. I’ve heard “the committee won’t hurt the losers of the championship games” but also “if PSU loses OSU will jump them due to the head to head result” so I was throwing that in there.
Jim
ND is unfortunately probably locked in at 5 now unless Texas or Oregon loses. GA or Tennessee could potentially get the spot but probably not.
5th might not be the best spot either with how they have been ranking Boise. 6th would have been best last week with Boise being ranked 11th. If UNLV beats Boise than 5 becomes the best spot again.
I know the committee keeps saying that they wont punish teams for the conference championship game but what they almost certainly mean is that they wont drop out of the playoffs the SEC or B!G conference championship loser.
ND is in unfortunately. Oregon, Texas, Tennessee, PSU, OSU Georgia are all in as well. ASU Iowa State winner has to get in. Boise UNVL winner will likely be in, maybe Tulane steals that spot. That gets us to 9 teams and the SMU Clemson winner has to get in making it 10.
Now we have the real problem. The real USC just beat Clemson who was ranked 12th and Bama and Ole Miss were both ranked ahead of South Carolina and beat them head to head including Ole Miss doing it in dominate fashion. You really start getting into the weeds with Bama beating Georgia.
Miami should be out, Indiana should be out especially with how poorly their loss to OSU has aged which was their only real game but we will have to see if the committee actually does it. Miami would be the harder one for them to drop out but Indiana would be easy. The ACC and Big 12 should both be 1 bid conferences this year.
That would leave 2 spots left. I dont see how SMU and Clemson both get in with South Carolina, Alabama, Ole Miss all sitting right there and the Miami and Indiana problem. Miami and Indiana shouldnt be a problem but they ranked both of them way to high all year and made a bad spot for themselves.
Wisconsin 2-6 against the SEC since 2007
I think everyone knows that Indiana isn't going to do anything in the CFP, but Miami still has the ability to outscore anyone even if their defense takes games off. As for the rest of the teams on the bubble I can't get past "who cares".
I think Indiana can beat Miami. If GT and Syracuse could do it then.
I also think Miami gets in before Alabama and SC. Miami has a better record, and they destroyed a SEC team.
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I haven't posted here in months, many months, but since nobody else has said it I will: Ryan Day must go!! No matter how the rest of the season/playoffs end, he must go. Only good fortune with a new format has saved Ohio State this season as the Head Coach and his staff have squandered a talented team.
This cut/paste below of an article says it better than I ever could.
I don’t know if the Buckeye administration will pull the plug now ahead of the College Football Playoff or it will wait to see if Ohio State can win a national championship to make up for its fourth straight loss to Michigan. But anything short of a national title coupled with Saturday’s embarrassing three-point loss to a deeply flawed Wolverine squad should lead to Day’s dismissal. Your job as the head football coach of Ohio State is to beat Michigan, whether That Team Up North is great, good or not-so-good. And Day can’t beat any of those versions of Michigan. The Buckeyes lost to a five-loss Michigan team led by a quarterback who threw just 62 yards in the game and tossed two interceptions.
Ohio State’s defense was terrific, but its offensive game plan was horrendous. The Buckeyes kept trying to run the ball up the middle, even when they couldn’t, and they didn’t throw the ball to their otherworldly receivers nearly enough. Freshman phenom Jeremiah Smith had a wide-open touchdown catch late in the second quarter … and then was only targeted twice in the entire second half. He was not targeted at any point in the final 25 minutes of a one-possession game against a hated rival. That is coaching malpractice. As was the late fourth-quarter penalty for illegal substitution on third-and-two that gave Michigan a fresh set of downs ahead of the eventual game-winning field goal. And the lasting image of the game, Day standing on the field alone as his players fought Wolverines over a Block M flag planted on the field, Day doing nothing to intervene.
There’s not much left to say about Day’s tenure at Ohio State at this point. He’s lost 10 total games over six seasons, and four of them have come against Michigan. His Buckeyes are far more talented than the Wolverines this season — and his donors spent $20 million to retain and attract said talent — and were 20.5-point favorites heading into Saturday’s edition of The Game for a reason. This is a loss that will never be forgotten or excused, and it feels like it has to be the final nail in the coffin for a coach who wins a lot of games but not the big ones.
ND has basically no chance of finishing in the top 4 in the next two years
Resurrecting this gem from basebal back in Feb for folks that haven't figured out basebal doesn't actually know as much as he believes he does.
Even after losing to NIU (NIU!!!!), ND will end the season in the top 4. Oregon and Penn St play each other, so it is a lock.
Robb
ultimately i couldn't care less about either Ohio St or Michigan. with that said, here's an unbiased .02 from someone who watched every snap of that game.
i know Ohio St has like 237 wide receivers that are projected to be drafted at the next level. yet that entire game they tried to prove that they were tougher than Michigan in the trenches, rather than allow their playmakers to make plays and put a severely undermanned opponent to sleep. i said during the game that whoever was calling the plays for Ohio St must be a hit at parties. 1 yard. 2 yards. no yards. negative yards. right up the gut, over and over and over. i also mentioned up above that on a 3rd and long in the red zone i watched with my own two eyes the Buckeyes dial up a draw play that went for zero yards. i'm not even sure Matt Eberflus' brain would have gone there. then their kicker who acted like he had never kicked a football in his life shanked a drive out of bounds. i also read somewhere that after that stud Jeremiah Smith caught a wide open TD pass, they targeted him two more times the rest of the game. TWO.
Day & Co. are paid handsomely to put their kids in the best possible position to win games. and ESPECIALLY the biggest one on their schedule. yet the game plan they devised and implemented did one thing and one thing only -- allowed 23.5-pt underdog Michigan to win. seriously, that's what i think. their idiocy made that game a pick'em when a competent coaching staff would have taken the Wolverines behind the woodshed and beat the hell out of them. it was basically 4 quarters of coaching malpractice, and the Buckeyes got exactly what they deserved as a result.
you'll never be able to outrun a bad diet
I opted to watch the Illinois-NW game instead. By reading some of the comments, I suspect there are others that wish they had.
In view of the fact that so many have offered thoughts, opinions and even suggestions as to the game followed by the status of the OSU coach, it just seems that some programs have an abundance of talent. And that really calls into question... and justifiably so... how effective is that talent being utilized? On paper, a program can have all 4- and 5-star prospects but how is that talent being groomed? Seems throughout this season OSU has had ample opportunity to display the talent they have far beyond the one-dimensional offensive plan that simply has not met expectations. Michigan was not the first game this season whereby OSU under-utilized their talent. And this caught up with the Buckeyes in a rivalry game for which there really are no excuses.
I suspect this could be the greatest upset in the history of the OSU-UM rivalry. While I did not witness the game, it clearly is in the top three and might surpass UM's 9-3 upset at Columbus in the great snow bowl of 1950. I do recall UM's 24-12 upset of OSU at Ann Arbor in 1969.
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It was a great game and had you on the edge of your seat waiting for OSU to play to their strengths, that actually lasted throughout the whole game lol
Epic upset and I do not believe OSU will even think about keeping Day to try again against Michigan.
Best WR's in the conference and they outsmarted themselves by not playing their strength
It reminded me of another team refusing to play to their strength when Harbaugh refused to run the ball in the AFC Championship game last year in which they lost to the Chiefs 17-10
They literally cant.
The top 4 spots are for conference champions. They arent in a conference. Its literally impossible
Wisconsin 2-6 against the SEC since 2007
btw there is something to be said for bringing a knife to a gun fight and stabbing your foe repeatedly. and that's precisely what Michigan did. i'm not even sure those kids' own mommas thought they would win that game. but no one can tell you how much confidence to exude and how hard to play.
mad respect for those kids
you'll never be able to outrun a bad diet
So the upcoming game may be their "Championship"?
Blame the OSU loss on me. I had them on 2 sheets.
At least they didnt get beat by a 6-6 team by 3 touchdowns.
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They literall cant.
The top 4 spots are for conference champions. They arent in a conference. Its literally impossible
You just never, ever, ever, ever can admit that you are wrong. Everyone knows that the top 4 seeds in the CFP are based on conference champion that is not what was being discussed.
The beauty of forums is you can just go and look at past posts. For those thinking basebal made some sort of amazing point, here is additional context:
@burghman said:
If ND is undefeated they’re ranked in the top 4. Not seeded in the top 4 for the playoffs, obviously, but they’ll be ranked there and possibly seeded 5 (or 6, if one of the teams higher in the top 4 lost their conference championship).
and basebal's response:
ND wont be ranked in the top 4 even if undefeated unless everyone else loses a ton of games. Their schedule is weak this year. A&M, FSU, Louisville, and USC are their only real games. A&M has a new coach and lost some elite guys, FSU and USC have new QBs and Riley at USC has never proven he can have a real defense, Louisville will benefit from the ACC but isnt anything special. ND has 2 bye weeks, no championship, Miami of OH/Navy/Army/Perdue/Northern Illinois/Stanford/UVA.Georgia Tech as as their other opponents
Just for those reading at home, we were not talking SEEDINGS in the CFP but rather RANKINGS. So even after losing to NIU, ND is still going to be ranked in the top 4. So net net, basebal was dead wrong as usual. He pontificates quite a bit on these forums. However, when you start digging into what he says, a lot of the time he doesn't actually know what he is talking about.
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The people who readily admit when they were wrong are the ones you gotta worry about. BB21 is harmless.
the unfortunate thing is that he's an ideal member of a forum like this. he's clearly passionate about sports. but when you bloviate like it's going out of style and sextuple down when it's apparent to everyone blessed with eyesight that your take is laughably misguided, that's when you reach a point where no one can take you seriously. and i don't think there's a single person here who does. but i give the guy credit, he remains undeterred.
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Their seasons already over, that Southern Cal game was their Championship. They did get lucky this year that FSU and Southern Cal were so bad. Only way they can finish the year top 4 is making the playoff Semi Finals
Theyre basically just waiting to see what spot they get in that 5-8 range. Unless Boise loses Im not sure Id want that 5 spot because that means youre playing playing Bama while lower ranked teams will get Boise or Indiana unless the committee decides to drop Indiana
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Theres no at least there. That loss to Michigan was far worse. Their QB had 6 passing TDs on the season and they even fired their OC and QBs coach after beating OSU at OSU Michigan was so bad
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Boises in a weird spot, beat UNLV and theyre top 4, lose to UNLV and theyre out of the playoffs
Ole Miss and Miami are dead saying they wont change the order of teams that dont play. Wasnt clear if theyd be willing to drop a team out that did play but Bama could be out if SMU or Boise lose
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People are upset that Alabama is ahead of Miami and I dont blame them. Alabama has two bad losses and one where they got blown out.
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Worried OSU might have to play Bama and I don't blame you.
BTW, games played against the current CFP TOP 25, Alabama is 3-1 and OSU is 2-1 and Miami is 0-1
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Miami has a better record. Alabama lost to two 6-6 teams and got destroyed by 3 touchdowns in one of those games. They shouldnt be ranked in the top 20.
Miami is 1-0 against the SEC.
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Wisconsin had 3 losses to the current CFP TOP 12 teams
# 1 Oregon beat them 16-13.
# 3 Penn State beat them 28-13.
# 11 Bama beat them 42-10
We don't want Notre Dame.....WE WANT OSU !!!!!!
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You get what you get and you don't throw a fit.
At Ohio State, here's my plea for Ryan Day to hit the bricks and the Buckeyes to hire Bill Belichick!!
I know Bill isn’t a sour puss all the time, but can you imagine him navigating the new landscape of NIL and re-recruiting his team every single year? I can’t see him dealing with that headache. Having said that, as a PSU guy I hope OSU does it! 🤣
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Living in Vegas, and working all UNLV games, I am hoping the Rebels can beat Boise State tonight. That'll be the end of the road, of course, but a dream season if they sneak into the playoffs! Go Rebs!
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OSU is a great school…and has a great football tradition… but from where I sit, it is and might always be a thankless head coaching job that is really more trouble than it is worth. There is something to be said about creating your own legacy instead of trying to measure up to expectations that only become more intense as time passes.
I suppose we might have an interesting conversation about the IU coach in 7-10 years. Or we could recognize the job Bill Snyder did at K State in terms of creating a legacy from nothing… excluding Lynn Waldorf’s one season wonder in 1934.
Best of luck to those involved in the selection process should that be the avenue pursued.
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Yup. Sort of like the coaches coming after John Wooden at UCLA. Final 4 wasn't enough!
The first Wizard of Westwood was not John Wooden, but “Red” Sanders… the UCLA Football coach. The UCLA football program under Sanders was amazing.
Wooden was an impossible act to follow
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Thats going to be a hard spot if they do. UNLV is in the playoffs if they win and then the committee will have to drop Boise out or put in two MWC teams which would be a joke
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Lol hed be a horrendous college coach. He knows it, everyone else knows it.
Supposedly his interest and why he interviewed at UNC is that he would take a job for 2 years get some publicity and his son who is the DC at Washington would be assured to be the next head coach when he "retires" as part of the contract.
A major program would be insane to hire him and would be very funny if OSU did. He he coached a college team anything like he coached the Pats theyd probably have to forfeit the season because everyone transferred
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Day is probably one good kicker away from being undefeated right now. And he just landed another top 5 recruiting class on national signing day this week.
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Hes had a top 5 class every year, it doesnt matter. Theyve had the best roster in the B!G every year hes been there
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Reminds me of John Cooper. Always has top talent. Can't win the big games.
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Boise State - Naty!
"When they can't find anything wrong with you, they create it!"
Boise has tried to throw at least 4 INTs but should win the game in dominate fashion. Nice gift for who they get matched up against. Probably better in the end to not have the should it be Boise or Bama nonsense if UNLV won
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Big slate of games today
Texas, Oregon and I think Clemson will be winners
I was bummed but UNLV just didn't show up last night. I like the small schools but likely to be a real wake up call for Boise next game! Although, I keep reminding myself they hung with Oregon at the beginning of the season.
UNLV really did not show up to play for whatever reason. Boise kept trying to give the game away and UNLV was like no no its yours you take it.
Hopefully the committee stops being stupid and gives ASU the bye in the top 4 over Boise. Boise getting a bye would be an absolute joke
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I don't believe they can as Boise is ranked higher than they are. Punch a pillow or twist a towel or something... it isn't a big deal.
Good thing for Georgia that they won the game. People are saying that they could've been left out because of Beck's injury. This incident has reignited discussions on the College Football Playoff (CFP) criteria, particularly in light of last year's exclusion of Florida State due to a similar quarterback injury scenario. Despite Beck's absence, backup quarterback Gunner Stockton stepped up, leading Georgia to a narrow victory with a score of 22-19. This performance might sway the CFP committee, although the debate continues on whether Georgia should face the same fate as Florida State, where quarterback health played a role in playoff decisions. The narrative around Georgia's playoff chances now hinges not only on their record but also on how the committee interprets the impact of quarterback injuries.
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