@coolstanley said:
If Bama loses this game, it will go down as the upset of the century.
Appalachian State beating Michigan was this century.
And, by point spread, Stanford beating USC five weeks later after being 41-point underdogs was also bigger.
Michigan weren't ranked #1. Michigan was a mediocre team during that timeframe.
Michigan was 11-2 the year before and had a strong argument for playing in the national title game. And returned basically every starter. App State was 1-AA.
There's no way that losing a road conference game is a bigger upset than a home loss to a 1-AA when you're top 5.
Michigan was losing to Ohio State every year. They finished 9-4 that year. Comparing those Michigan teams to today's Bama playoff teams is apples and oranges.
Apples and oranges is correct. One team lost to a conference opponent on the road, the other lost to a FCS team at home.
Since then, APP State has beat two sec teams..Texas A@M and South Carolina.
How often does a #1 lose to an unranked?
I really dont get your obsession with number 1. 1-4 will be conference champions. You want OSU to be #1 win the B!G and theres a chance, theres 0 chance if they dont
The fact is that App State beating Michigan as an FCS school at Michigan when Michigan was #5 20 years ago is a much worse loss. Its also weird to once again be defending your arch rival Michigan
I think the Alabama loss is worse. When was the last time Vanderbilt won anything? They couldn't even beat Georgia State a few weeks ago for heavens sake.
The Vandy team that beat Bama was far far more talented than the App State team that beat Michigan
@coolstanley said:
If Bama loses this game, it will go down as the upset of the century.
Appalachian State beating Michigan was this century.
And, by point spread, Stanford beating USC five weeks later after being 41-point underdogs was also bigger.
Michigan weren't ranked #1. Michigan was a mediocre team during that timeframe.
Michigan was 11-2 the year before and had a strong argument for playing in the national title game. And returned basically every starter. App State was 1-AA.
There's no way that losing a road conference game is a bigger upset than a home loss to a 1-AA when you're top 5.
Michigan was losing to Ohio State every year. They finished 9-4 that year. Comparing those Michigan teams to today's Bama playoff teams is apples and oranges.
Apples and oranges is correct. One team lost to a conference opponent on the road, the other lost to a FCS team at home.
Since then, APP State has beat two sec teams..Texas A@M and South Carolina.
How often does a #1 lose to an unranked?
I really dont get your obsession with number 1. 1-4 will be conference champions. You want OSU to be #1 win the B!G and theres a chance, theres 0 chance if they dont
The fact is that App State beating Michigan as an FCS school at Michigan when Michigan was #5 20 years ago is a much worse loss. Its also weird to once again be defending your arch rival Michigan
I think the Alabama loss is worse. When was the last time Vanderbilt won anything? They couldn't even beat Georgia State a few weeks ago for heavens sake.
The Vandy team that beat Bama was far far more talented than the App State team that beat Michigan
If only we had a hot tub and some energy drinks we could have them play Alabama.
@coolstanley said:
If Bama loses this game, it will go down as the upset of the century.
Appalachian State beating Michigan was this century.
And, by point spread, Stanford beating USC five weeks later after being 41-point underdogs was also bigger.
Michigan weren't ranked #1. Michigan was a mediocre team during that timeframe.
Michigan was 11-2 the year before and had a strong argument for playing in the national title game. And returned basically every starter. App State was 1-AA.
There's no way that losing a road conference game is a bigger upset than a home loss to a 1-AA when you're top 5.
Michigan was losing to Ohio State every year. They finished 9-4 that year. Comparing those Michigan teams to today's Bama playoff teams is apples and oranges.
Apples and oranges is correct. One team lost to a conference opponent on the road, the other lost to a FCS team at home.
Since then, APP State has beat two sec teams..Texas A@M and South Carolina.
How often does a #1 lose to an unranked?
I really dont get your obsession with number 1. 1-4 will be conference champions. You want OSU to be #1 win the B!G and theres a chance, theres 0 chance if they dont
The fact is that App State beating Michigan as an FCS school at Michigan when Michigan was #5 20 years ago is a much worse loss. Its also weird to once again be defending your arch rival Michigan
It’s a valid question. It happens pretty rarely. But you’re also right about the transfer portal…. It’s making FPI obsolete before our eyes. We can’t look back 4 years at a program anymore to weigh their strength. With FPI broken SOR is corrupted. Everything is blowing up in how teams are being ranked. That’s the original point. There’s a bias.
Thats why its called an upset. For the NFL people now paying attention to college football its not the 1990s anymore when the Cowboys and 49ers had 3rd string guys better than starters on other teams. Joe Burrow is a great example, he had to work real hard to graduate early so he could transfer from OSU to go play at LSU as a graduate transfer. Had that happened this year he could have just transferred after spring practices whether he didnt like the look of the team or didnt get the job. Thats what guys do now the leave instead of sit for 3 years.
Theres guys playing at schools that they may just plan on being there a year or two and then transfer into a bigger program. The rankings for the most part have been fine they just arent cut and dry anymore. Were going to have at least 8 teams with a loss if not two losses in the playoffs and at least two if not all of the conference champions will have at least one loss. Texas has to run the table for the SEC, OSU or Oregon has to run the table and they play each other, Miami is currently losing bad in the second half and theyre the last hope for the ACC to be undefeated, BYU and Iowa State are the only hope for the Big 12 which isnt realistic.
5 of the top 11 teams already lost tonight and its looking like 6. 4 were to unranked teams and if Cal wins 5 of the 6 will be to unraked teams. Its just a completely different world now with the super conferences and everything else. Catching a loss at some point should be expected for everyone
@coolstanley said:
If Bama loses this game, it will go down as the upset of the century.
Appalachian State beating Michigan was this century.
And, by point spread, Stanford beating USC five weeks later after being 41-point underdogs was also bigger.
Michigan weren't ranked #1. Michigan was a mediocre team during that timeframe.
Michigan was 11-2 the year before and had a strong argument for playing in the national title game. And returned basically every starter. App State was 1-AA.
There's no way that losing a road conference game is a bigger upset than a home loss to a 1-AA when you're top 5.
Michigan was losing to Ohio State every year. They finished 9-4 that year. Comparing those Michigan teams to today's Bama playoff teams is apples and oranges.
Apples and oranges is correct. One team lost to a conference opponent on the road, the other lost to a FCS team at home.
Since then, APP State has beat two sec teams..Texas A@M and South Carolina.
How often does a #1 lose to an unranked?
I really dont get your obsession with number 1. 1-4 will be conference champions. You want OSU to be #1 win the B!G and theres a chance, theres 0 chance if they dont
The fact is that App State beating Michigan as an FCS school at Michigan when Michigan was #5 20 years ago is a much worse loss. Its also weird to once again be defending your arch rival Michigan
It’s a valid question. It happens pretty rarely. But you’re also right about the transfer portal…. It’s making FPI obsolete before our eyes. We can’t look back 4 years at a program anymore to weigh their strength. With FPI broken SOR is corrupted. Everything is blowing up in how teams are being ranked. That’s the original point. There’s a bias.
Thats why its called an upset. For the NFL people now paying attention to college football its not the 1990s anymore when the Cowboys and 49ers had 3rd string guys better than starters on other teams. Joe Burrow is a great example, he had to work real hard to graduate early so he could transfer from OSU to go play at LSU as a graduate transfer. Had that happened this year he could have just transferred after spring practices whether he didnt like the look of the team or didnt get the job. Thats what guys do now the leave instead of sit for 3 years.
Theres guys playing at schools that they may just plan on being there a year or two and then transfer into a bigger program. The rankings for the most part have been fine they just arent cut and dry anymore. Were going to have at least 8 teams with a loss if not two losses in the playoffs and at least two if not all of the conference champions will have at least one loss. Texas has to run the table for the SEC, OSU or Oregon has to run the table and they play each other, Miami is currently losing bad in the second half and theyre the last hope for the ACC to be undefeated, BYU and Iowa State are the only hope for the Big 12 which isnt realistic.
5 of the top 11 teams already lost tonight and its looking like 6. 4 were to unranked teams and if Cal wins 5 of the 6 will be to unraked teams. Its just a completely different world now with the super conferences and everything else. Catching a loss at some point should be expected for everyone
That’s an amazing story. You can’t understand what I said so you try to drown me with word soup. Yuck.
@coolstanley said:
If Bama loses this game, it will go down as the upset of the century.
Appalachian State beating Michigan was this century.
And, by point spread, Stanford beating USC five weeks later after being 41-point underdogs was also bigger.
Michigan weren't ranked #1. Michigan was a mediocre team during that timeframe.
Michigan was 11-2 the year before and had a strong argument for playing in the national title game. And returned basically every starter. App State was 1-AA.
There's no way that losing a road conference game is a bigger upset than a home loss to a 1-AA when you're top 5.
Michigan was losing to Ohio State every year. They finished 9-4 that year. Comparing those Michigan teams to today's Bama playoff teams is apples and oranges.
Apples and oranges is correct. One team lost to a conference opponent on the road, the other lost to a FCS team at home.
Since then, APP State has beat two sec teams..Texas A@M and South Carolina.
How often does a #1 lose to an unranked?
I really dont get your obsession with number 1. 1-4 will be conference champions. You want OSU to be #1 win the B!G and theres a chance, theres 0 chance if they dont
The fact is that App State beating Michigan as an FCS school at Michigan when Michigan was #5 20 years ago is a much worse loss. Its also weird to once again be defending your arch rival Michigan
I think the Alabama loss is worse. When was the last time Vanderbilt won anything? They couldn't even beat Georgia State a few weeks ago for heavens sake.
The Vandy team that beat Bama was far far more talented than the App State team that beat Michigan
So talented they lost to Georgia State.
2007 APP state won the National championship in their division, and two players were selected in the 2008 draft. One of those two players is a Super Bowl MVP.
@coolstanley said:
If Bama loses this game, it will go down as the upset of the century.
Appalachian State beating Michigan was this century.
And, by point spread, Stanford beating USC five weeks later after being 41-point underdogs was also bigger.
Michigan weren't ranked #1. Michigan was a mediocre team during that timeframe.
Michigan was 11-2 the year before and had a strong argument for playing in the national title game. And returned basically every starter. App State was 1-AA.
There's no way that losing a road conference game is a bigger upset than a home loss to a 1-AA when you're top 5.
Michigan was losing to Ohio State every year. They finished 9-4 that year. Comparing those Michigan teams to today's Bama playoff teams is apples and oranges.
Apples and oranges is correct. One team lost to a conference opponent on the road, the other lost to a FCS team at home.
Since then, APP State has beat two sec teams..Texas A@M and South Carolina.
How often does a #1 lose to an unranked?
I really dont get your obsession with number 1. 1-4 will be conference champions. You want OSU to be #1 win the B!G and theres a chance, theres 0 chance if they dont
The fact is that App State beating Michigan as an FCS school at Michigan when Michigan was #5 20 years ago is a much worse loss. Its also weird to once again be defending your arch rival Michigan
It’s a valid question. It happens pretty rarely. But you’re also right about the transfer portal…. It’s making FPI obsolete before our eyes. We can’t look back 4 years at a program anymore to weigh their strength. With FPI broken SOR is corrupted. Everything is blowing up in how teams are being ranked. That’s the original point. There’s a bias.
Thats why its called an upset. For the NFL people now paying attention to college football its not the 1990s anymore when the Cowboys and 49ers had 3rd string guys better than starters on other teams. Joe Burrow is a great example, he had to work real hard to graduate early so he could transfer from OSU to go play at LSU as a graduate transfer. Had that happened this year he could have just transferred after spring practices whether he didnt like the look of the team or didnt get the job. Thats what guys do now the leave instead of sit for 3 years.
Theres guys playing at schools that they may just plan on being there a year or two and then transfer into a bigger program. The rankings for the most part have been fine they just arent cut and dry anymore. Were going to have at least 8 teams with a loss if not two losses in the playoffs and at least two if not all of the conference champions will have at least one loss. Texas has to run the table for the SEC, OSU or Oregon has to run the table and they play each other, Miami is currently losing bad in the second half and theyre the last hope for the ACC to be undefeated, BYU and Iowa State are the only hope for the Big 12 which isnt realistic.
5 of the top 11 teams already lost tonight and its looking like 6. 4 were to unranked teams and if Cal wins 5 of the 6 will be to unraked teams. Its just a completely different world now with the super conferences and everything else. Catching a loss at some point should be expected for everyone
That’s an amazing story. You can’t understand what I said so you try to drown me with word soup. Yuck.
Im sorry you dont want to talk college football. My fault for trying
@coolstanley said:
If Bama loses this game, it will go down as the upset of the century.
Appalachian State beating Michigan was this century.
And, by point spread, Stanford beating USC five weeks later after being 41-point underdogs was also bigger.
Michigan weren't ranked #1. Michigan was a mediocre team during that timeframe.
Michigan was 11-2 the year before and had a strong argument for playing in the national title game. And returned basically every starter. App State was 1-AA.
There's no way that losing a road conference game is a bigger upset than a home loss to a 1-AA when you're top 5.
Michigan was losing to Ohio State every year. They finished 9-4 that year. Comparing those Michigan teams to today's Bama playoff teams is apples and oranges.
Apples and oranges is correct. One team lost to a conference opponent on the road, the other lost to a FCS team at home.
Since then, APP State has beat two sec teams..Texas A@M and South Carolina.
How often does a #1 lose to an unranked?
I really dont get your obsession with number 1. 1-4 will be conference champions. You want OSU to be #1 win the B!G and theres a chance, theres 0 chance if they dont
The fact is that App State beating Michigan as an FCS school at Michigan when Michigan was #5 20 years ago is a much worse loss. Its also weird to once again be defending your arch rival Michigan
I think the Alabama loss is worse. When was the last time Vanderbilt won anything? They couldn't even beat Georgia State a few weeks ago for heavens sake.
The Vandy team that beat Bama was far far more talented than the App State team that beat Michigan
So talented they lost to Georgia State.
2007 APP state won the National championship in their division, and two players were selected in the 2008 draft. One of those two players is a Super Bowl MVP.
Ive never seen an OSU fan defend their arch rival Michigan more. I'll just leave it that one was an FCS team one is a conference opponent. Even Michigan fans know it. None of it is remotely relevant.
@coolstanley said:
If Bama loses this game, it will go down as the upset of the century.
Appalachian State beating Michigan was this century.
And, by point spread, Stanford beating USC five weeks later after being 41-point underdogs was also bigger.
Michigan weren't ranked #1. Michigan was a mediocre team during that timeframe.
Michigan was 11-2 the year before and had a strong argument for playing in the national title game. And returned basically every starter. App State was 1-AA.
There's no way that losing a road conference game is a bigger upset than a home loss to a 1-AA when you're top 5.
Michigan was losing to Ohio State every year. They finished 9-4 that year. Comparing those Michigan teams to today's Bama playoff teams is apples and oranges.
Apples and oranges is correct. One team lost to a conference opponent on the road, the other lost to a FCS team at home.
Since then, APP State has beat two sec teams..Texas A@M and South Carolina.
How often does a #1 lose to an unranked?
I really dont get your obsession with number 1. 1-4 will be conference champions. You want OSU to be #1 win the B!G and theres a chance, theres 0 chance if they dont
The fact is that App State beating Michigan as an FCS school at Michigan when Michigan was #5 20 years ago is a much worse loss. Its also weird to once again be defending your arch rival Michigan
It’s a valid question. It happens pretty rarely. But you’re also right about the transfer portal…. It’s making FPI obsolete before our eyes. We can’t look back 4 years at a program anymore to weigh their strength. With FPI broken SOR is corrupted. Everything is blowing up in how teams are being ranked. That’s the original point. There’s a bias.
Thats why its called an upset. For the NFL people now paying attention to college football its not the 1990s anymore when the Cowboys and 49ers had 3rd string guys better than starters on other teams. Joe Burrow is a great example, he had to work real hard to graduate early so he could transfer from OSU to go play at LSU as a graduate transfer. Had that happened this year he could have just transferred after spring practices whether he didnt like the look of the team or didnt get the job. Thats what guys do now the leave instead of sit for 3 years.
Theres guys playing at schools that they may just plan on being there a year or two and then transfer into a bigger program. The rankings for the most part have been fine they just arent cut and dry anymore. Were going to have at least 8 teams with a loss if not two losses in the playoffs and at least two if not all of the conference champions will have at least one loss. Texas has to run the table for the SEC, OSU or Oregon has to run the table and they play each other, Miami is currently losing bad in the second half and theyre the last hope for the ACC to be undefeated, BYU and Iowa State are the only hope for the Big 12 which isnt realistic.
5 of the top 11 teams already lost tonight and its looking like 6. 4 were to unranked teams and if Cal wins 5 of the 6 will be to unraked teams. Its just a completely different world now with the super conferences and everything else. Catching a loss at some point should be expected for everyone
That’s an amazing story. You can’t understand what I said so you try to drown me with word soup. Yuck.
Im sorry you dont want to talk college football. My fault for trying
You’re only telling me that it’s OK that Alabama lost to Vanderbilt buried in a whimsical story of the impact on parity of the transfer portal.
My comment was that there is a real bias in the rankings because FPI is exposed and the main reason is the transfer portal. Since 1990 how many #1s have been undefeated? I can think back maybe 15 years and there’s 7? My point is that there might not have been a loss with as wide of a FPI margin in history.
If you want to respond to me that’s fine, but don’t lament my consternation when you fail to stay on topic.
@coolstanley said:
If Bama loses this game, it will go down as the upset of the century.
Appalachian State beating Michigan was this century.
And, by point spread, Stanford beating USC five weeks later after being 41-point underdogs was also bigger.
Michigan weren't ranked #1. Michigan was a mediocre team during that timeframe.
Michigan was 11-2 the year before and had a strong argument for playing in the national title game. And returned basically every starter. App State was 1-AA.
There's no way that losing a road conference game is a bigger upset than a home loss to a 1-AA when you're top 5.
Michigan was losing to Ohio State every year. They finished 9-4 that year. Comparing those Michigan teams to today's Bama playoff teams is apples and oranges.
Apples and oranges is correct. One team lost to a conference opponent on the road, the other lost to a FCS team at home.
Since then, APP State has beat two sec teams..Texas A@M and South Carolina.
How often does a #1 lose to an unranked?
I really dont get your obsession with number 1. 1-4 will be conference champions. You want OSU to be #1 win the B!G and theres a chance, theres 0 chance if they dont
The fact is that App State beating Michigan as an FCS school at Michigan when Michigan was #5 20 years ago is a much worse loss. Its also weird to once again be defending your arch rival Michigan
It’s a valid question. It happens pretty rarely. But you’re also right about the transfer portal…. It’s making FPI obsolete before our eyes. We can’t look back 4 years at a program anymore to weigh their strength. With FPI broken SOR is corrupted. Everything is blowing up in how teams are being ranked. That’s the original point. There’s a bias.
Thats why its called an upset. For the NFL people now paying attention to college football its not the 1990s anymore when the Cowboys and 49ers had 3rd string guys better than starters on other teams. Joe Burrow is a great example, he had to work real hard to graduate early so he could transfer from OSU to go play at LSU as a graduate transfer. Had that happened this year he could have just transferred after spring practices whether he didnt like the look of the team or didnt get the job. Thats what guys do now the leave instead of sit for 3 years.
Theres guys playing at schools that they may just plan on being there a year or two and then transfer into a bigger program. The rankings for the most part have been fine they just arent cut and dry anymore. Were going to have at least 8 teams with a loss if not two losses in the playoffs and at least two if not all of the conference champions will have at least one loss. Texas has to run the table for the SEC, OSU or Oregon has to run the table and they play each other, Miami is currently losing bad in the second half and theyre the last hope for the ACC to be undefeated, BYU and Iowa State are the only hope for the Big 12 which isnt realistic.
5 of the top 11 teams already lost tonight and its looking like 6. 4 were to unranked teams and if Cal wins 5 of the 6 will be to unraked teams. Its just a completely different world now with the super conferences and everything else. Catching a loss at some point should be expected for everyone
That’s an amazing story. You can’t understand what I said so you try to drown me with word soup. Yuck.
Im sorry you dont want to talk college football. My fault for trying
You’re only telling me that it’s OK that Alabama lost to Vanderbilt buried in a whimsical story of the impact on parity of the transfer portal.
My comment was that there is a real bias in the rankings because FPI is exposed and the main reason is the transfer portal. Since 1990 how many #1s have been undefeated? I can think back maybe 15 years and there’s 7? My point is that there might not have been a loss with as wide of a FPI margin in history.
If you want to respond to me that’s fine, but don’t lament my consternation when you fail to stay on topic.
I dont lament anything. I enjoy sports debate some dont. Vandy beating Bama doesnt even break the top 10 of college football upsets
Michigan was -33 against an FCS team at home. James Madison was +33.5 when they beat VT in Blacksburg. Syracuse was +37 when they beat Louisville in Louisville the same year Michigan lost to App State. Stanford was +40.5 that same year beating USC.
Theres plenty of bigger upsets by far less talented teams before the portal was allowed and before the super conferences
Vanderbilt being 0 for 60 against top 5 teams is the worst record of any team in history.
I wasn't shocked when a mediocre Michigan team lost to APP state.
I was shocked when a #1 Alabama team who just beat Georgia 7 days ago, lost to Vanderbilt.
My TOP 12 this week are,
.
1. Texas
2. OSU
3. Oregon
4. Penn State
5. Indiana
6. BYU
7. Iowa State
8. Miami
9. Georgia
10. Clemson
11. Ole Miss
12. A&M
My team growing up was the badgers and they are still my home team. Gophers are my adopted team as that’s where I went to school for undergrad. Prep your jokes for these easy targets!
Great wins by both yesterday. Gotta love big red stomping the boiler makers. They used to drive through stadium village and dinkytown with that stupid converted fire engine blaring the horn from 6-7am on game days.
@coolstanley said:
If Bama loses this game, it will go down as the upset of the century.
Appalachian State beating Michigan was this century.
And, by point spread, Stanford beating USC five weeks later after being 41-point underdogs was also bigger.
Michigan weren't ranked #1. Michigan was a mediocre team during that timeframe.
Michigan was 11-2 the year before and had a strong argument for playing in the national title game. And returned basically every starter. App State was 1-AA.
There's no way that losing a road conference game is a bigger upset than a home loss to a 1-AA when you're top 5.
Michigan was losing to Ohio State every year. They finished 9-4 that year. Comparing those Michigan teams to today's Bama playoff teams is apples and oranges.
Apples and oranges is correct. One team lost to a conference opponent on the road, the other lost to a FCS team at home.
Since then, APP State has beat two sec teams..Texas A@M and South Carolina.
How often does a #1 lose to an unranked?
I really dont get your obsession with number 1. 1-4 will be conference champions. You want OSU to be #1 win the B!G and theres a chance, theres 0 chance if they dont
The fact is that App State beating Michigan as an FCS school at Michigan when Michigan was #5 20 years ago is a much worse loss. Its also weird to once again be defending your arch rival Michigan
It’s a valid question. It happens pretty rarely. But you’re also right about the transfer portal…. It’s making FPI obsolete before our eyes. We can’t look back 4 years at a program anymore to weigh their strength. With FPI broken SOR is corrupted. Everything is blowing up in how teams are being ranked. That’s the original point. There’s a bias.
Thats why its called an upset. For the NFL people now paying attention to college football its not the 1990s anymore when the Cowboys and 49ers had 3rd string guys better than starters on other teams. Joe Burrow is a great example, he had to work real hard to graduate early so he could transfer from OSU to go play at LSU as a graduate transfer. Had that happened this year he could have just transferred after spring practices whether he didnt like the look of the team or didnt get the job. Thats what guys do now the leave instead of sit for 3 years.
Theres guys playing at schools that they may just plan on being there a year or two and then transfer into a bigger program. The rankings for the most part have been fine they just arent cut and dry anymore. Were going to have at least 8 teams with a loss if not two losses in the playoffs and at least two if not all of the conference champions will have at least one loss. Texas has to run the table for the SEC, OSU or Oregon has to run the table and they play each other, Miami is currently losing bad in the second half and theyre the last hope for the ACC to be undefeated, BYU and Iowa State are the only hope for the Big 12 which isnt realistic.
5 of the top 11 teams already lost tonight and its looking like 6. 4 were to unranked teams and if Cal wins 5 of the 6 will be to unraked teams. Its just a completely different world now with the super conferences and everything else. Catching a loss at some point should be expected for everyone
That’s an amazing story. You can’t understand what I said so you try to drown me with word soup. Yuck.
Im sorry you dont want to talk college football. My fault for trying
You’re only telling me that it’s OK that Alabama lost to Vanderbilt buried in a whimsical story of the impact on parity of the transfer portal.
My comment was that there is a real bias in the rankings because FPI is exposed and the main reason is the transfer portal. Since 1990 how many #1s have been undefeated? I can think back maybe 15 years and there’s 7? My point is that there might not have been a loss with as wide of a FPI margin in history.
If you want to respond to me that’s fine, but don’t lament my consternation when you fail to stay on topic.
I dont lament anything. I enjoy sports debate some dont. Vandy beating Bama doesnt even break the top 10 of college football upsets
Michigan was -33 against an FCS team at home. James Madison was +33.5 when they beat VT in Blacksburg. Syracuse was +37 when they beat Louisville in Louisville the same year Michigan lost to App State. Stanford was +40.5 that same year beating USC.
Theres plenty of bigger upsets by far less talented teams before the portal was allowed and before the super conferences
You’re talking about betting lines and I’m talking about FPI. FPI has historically been about 70% accurate in predicting outcomes in FBS. It’s a big deal that it’s broken and I like it.
You’re totally welcome to keep talking about the app state upset but remember…. there were a few things working for app state too.
It was the opener.
APP state was a very good program even if it was a FCS school. This wasn’t their first win against a ranked FBS school.
Michigan wasn’t a great team that year. They also lost to Wisconsin.
Their defense, especially their secondary, was a complete liability. As far as biggest upsets in history I also don’t think Vandy/Bama is #1 but I think it might have been the largest FPI margin in history. Does that specific detail make sense? I’m trying to highlight what I’m saying again so you don’t continue thinking I’m saying something else. I’m talking about FPI which is a core mechanism, if not the only piece, of how teams are ranked. I’ve never liked FPI because I find it unfair, and now, with the transfer portal, it’s being exposed as BS.
Fun fact: badgers QB that year went to my highschool. I was never a Donovan fan though. If I’m being honest I preferred Barry ball. Different times.
bull i was being tough on your team yesterday but truthfully i have nothing against Bama -- it was a veiled attempt to keep basebal on the straight and narrow. if Ohio St had been #1 and lost at Northwestern, rest assured there would have been nary a mention of parity or portal rolling off his fingers. it would have been all about fraudulence. but that's what he's known for -- bobbing, weaving and spinning like a record to protect his special (needs) ideology without budging one iota.
you, on the other hand, always keep it honest and i respect that -- as evidenced by your top 12 up above that doesn't include Alabama. if basebal posted his 12 he'd probably still have them hugging the top spot because of parity, portal, the greenhouse effect, and Devin Wiliams tipping his pitches to Pete Alonso
to answer your question, i don't have one. i've lived in Texas my entire life but i don't like UT. they're the collegiate version of Jerry Jones' franchise -- it's one big dog and pony show with lots of pomp and circumstance that yields few positive results. the Horns have their own network and are constantly talked up like they are God's gift to college football, yet they haven't won a title in almost two decades. very, very Dallas Cowboys-esque.
with that said, they're attempting to shed the paper tigers label this season. i wouldn't mind if they won. i'm just not an advocate of all talk, zero action teams...........even if it's one in my neck of the woods.
Speaking of being tough on Bama, nobody is tougher on Bama than Bama fans. I'm a member of BAMA ON3 and it's in meltdown mode. They're griping because DeBoer wore a t-shirt. They want the DC gone. They want one player to be held out in next weeks game. The younger Bama fans that grew up under Saban are having the toughest time....
Didn’t watch Cal Miami, but it looked like a textbook targeting call wasn’t called against Miami, that apparently would have essentially iced the game. Between that and the Hail Mary overturn, the Canes are getting some big time help to remain undefeated.
In this weeks coaches poll, only 34 points separate Texas and Ohio State from the #1 spot. But whomever wins the Oregon vs Ohio State game should move up to #1. The B1G Ten now has 3 in the top 5 in both polls.
@burghman said:
Didn’t watch Cal Miami, but it looked like a textbook targeting call wasn’t called against Miami, that apparently would have essentially iced the game. Between that and the Hail Mary overturn, the Canes are getting some big time help to remain undefeated.
That's 2 weeks in a row the ACC Refs bailed Miami out.
@Bullsitter said:
My TOP 12 this week are,
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1. Texas
2. OSU
3. Oregon
4. Penn State
5. Indiana
6. BYU
7. Iowa State
8. Miami
9. Georgia
10. Clemson
11. Ole Miss
12. A&M
I dont have Miami in my top 10 because they probably should have 2 losses after the blown calls by the refs.
Boise State is an interesting team. They went toe to toe with Oregon on the road. They give up a lot of points on defense but have one of the best offenses in the country.
@coolstanley said:
In this weeks coaches poll, only 34 points separate Texas and Ohio State from the #1 spot. But whomever wins the Oregon vs Ohio State game should move up to #1. The B1G Ten now has 3 in the top 5 in both polls.
They perpetuate the continued narrative about the SEC being the best.
They aren't, but these people that vote in this continue to just push and push and push it.
Bama is still ranked 3rd in FPI which is what most of the polls use. It’s just a bad metric.
The rankings do matter because it is I’ll affect the selections and ordering and who plays at who. So if you’re not in those first 4 spots you really care about the rankings.
@coolstanley said:
In this weeks coaches poll, only 34 points separate Texas and Ohio State from the #1 spot. But whomever wins the Oregon vs Ohio State game should move up to #1. The B1G Ten now has 3 in the top 5 in both polls.
They perpetuate the continued narrative about the SEC being the best.
They aren't, but these people that vote in this continue to just push and push and push it.
Bama is still ranked 3rd in FPI which is what most of the polls use. It’s just a bad metric.
The rankings do matter because it is I’ll affect the selections and ordering and who plays at who. So if you’re not in those first 4 spots you really care about the rankings.
Texas, which had an open date, received 52 out of 61 first-place votes and became the first team in two years to bounce in and out of the top spot in a span of three polls. The Longhorns also were just the third team since 2008 to be voted No. 1 after not playing the day before.
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Speaking of being tough on Bama, nobody is tougher on Bama than Bama fans. I'm a member of BAMA ON3 and it's in meltdown mode. They're griping because DeBoer wore a t-shirt. They want the DC gone. They want one player to be held out in next weeks game. The younger Bama fans that grew up under Saban are having the toughest time....
DeBoer knows the honeymoon is over.
You never want to be the guy after the GOAT and the offense is more creative, but that defense has really lost some toughness and some discipline. Anything less than one national title in the next 3 or 4 years and he will either get fired or they will make something up to fire him like Auburn did to their coach.
He really needs to bench Moore for at least a half if not the game. Its a little risky but the just absolutely unacceptable after the play garbage. The kicking the football after the ref just spotted it might be the dumbest thing Ive ever seen on a football field. He might have had to find his own ride home if he did that with Saban there
@Steven59 said:
Texas, which had an open date, received 52 out of 61 first-place votes and became the first team in two years to bounce in and out of the top spot in a span of three polls. The Longhorns also were just the third team since 2008 to be voted No. 1 after not playing the day before.
LOL unreal. I'm surprised those morons didn't put Vanderbilt at #2.
@burghman said:
Didn’t watch Cal Miami, but it looked like a textbook targeting call wasn’t called against Miami, that apparently would have essentially iced the game. Between that and the Hail Mary overturn, the Canes are getting some big time help to remain undefeated.
100% correct. Yes, Cal blew the lead so it's mostly on them but if that targeting is called, the game is basically over.
@burghman said:
Didn’t watch Cal Miami, but it looked like a textbook targeting call wasn’t called against Miami, that apparently would have essentially iced the game. Between that and the Hail Mary overturn, the Canes are getting some big time help to remain undefeated.
100% correct. Yes, Cal blew the lead so it's mostly on them but if that targeting is called, the game is basically over.
Certainly seen less get called many times, but Cal should have never let it get to that point. You deserve to lose if you get outscored 29-3 in the last 18 minutes to lose by 1
Paul Finebaum: “Inexcusable, This will go down as the worst loss in NCAA History. They should’ve fired him before getting on the team bus back home. This loss would’ve never happened with Nick Saban.”
Vanderbilt was 0-60 all time versus AP top-five teams before Saturday, the longest such streak in the poll era (since 1936). The Commodores hadn't beaten the Crimson Tide in 40 years, but they snapped a 23-game skid.
Marking the biggest Upset in NCAA History over Appalachian State’s 34-32 Upset Win Over #5 Michigan, According to Paul Finebaum.
I'm a huge Finebaum fan, been listening to him for about 30 years. He has a 4 hour show daily from 2-6 CST on SEC NATION.
His show yesterday was spot on, it was inexcusable. It'll be a good show today. You guys here ought to tune in. We have 3 callers that are OSU fans. The callers make the show, always have. Listen for 2 weeks and you'll be hooked.
Jeff is a huge OSU fan and one of my favorite callers....
Red Sanders was the Vanderbilt coach for 4 seasons. He lead Vandy to one of its greatest football seasons in 1947 which included an upset of Alabama. Sanders went on to do great things as the Head Coach at UCLA starting in 1949 until his sad and premature death in the late 1950s. The 1954 UCLA team was among the best of the decade. The PAC 8 had a no repeat rule in place which prevented the Uclans from meeting Ohio State in the 1955 Rose Bowl. Now that would be been a legendary match up.
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No… not sure anyone has ever cracked 1000 rushing yards at this point in the season….impressive that their schedule included some decent teams, including Oregon
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Doesn't look like he'll be playing anymore this year.............
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The Vandy team that beat Bama was far far more talented than the App State team that beat Michigan
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If only we had a hot tub and some energy drinks we could have them play Alabama.
Thats why its called an upset. For the NFL people now paying attention to college football its not the 1990s anymore when the Cowboys and 49ers had 3rd string guys better than starters on other teams. Joe Burrow is a great example, he had to work real hard to graduate early so he could transfer from OSU to go play at LSU as a graduate transfer. Had that happened this year he could have just transferred after spring practices whether he didnt like the look of the team or didnt get the job. Thats what guys do now the leave instead of sit for 3 years.
Theres guys playing at schools that they may just plan on being there a year or two and then transfer into a bigger program. The rankings for the most part have been fine they just arent cut and dry anymore. Were going to have at least 8 teams with a loss if not two losses in the playoffs and at least two if not all of the conference champions will have at least one loss. Texas has to run the table for the SEC, OSU or Oregon has to run the table and they play each other, Miami is currently losing bad in the second half and theyre the last hope for the ACC to be undefeated, BYU and Iowa State are the only hope for the Big 12 which isnt realistic.
5 of the top 11 teams already lost tonight and its looking like 6. 4 were to unranked teams and if Cal wins 5 of the 6 will be to unraked teams. Its just a completely different world now with the super conferences and everything else. Catching a loss at some point should be expected for everyone
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That’s an amazing story. You can’t understand what I said so you try to drown me with word soup. Yuck.
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So talented they lost to Georgia State.
2007 APP state won the National championship in their division, and two players were selected in the 2008 draft. One of those two players is a Super Bowl MVP.
Terry Bradshaw was AMAZING!!
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Im sorry you dont want to talk college football. My fault for trying
Missouri 14 OSU 3
Ive never seen an OSU fan defend their arch rival Michigan more. I'll just leave it that one was an FCS team one is a conference opponent. Even Michigan fans know it. None of it is remotely relevant.
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You’re only telling me that it’s OK that Alabama lost to Vanderbilt buried in a whimsical story of the impact on parity of the transfer portal.
My comment was that there is a real bias in the rankings because FPI is exposed and the main reason is the transfer portal. Since 1990 how many #1s have been undefeated? I can think back maybe 15 years and there’s 7? My point is that there might not have been a loss with as wide of a FPI margin in history.
If you want to respond to me that’s fine, but don’t lament my consternation when you fail to stay on topic.
What an insane choke job by Cal to let Miami come back and win
Missouri 14 OSU 3
I dont lament anything. I enjoy sports debate some dont. Vandy beating Bama doesnt even break the top 10 of college football upsets
Michigan was -33 against an FCS team at home. James Madison was +33.5 when they beat VT in Blacksburg. Syracuse was +37 when they beat Louisville in Louisville the same year Michigan lost to App State. Stanford was +40.5 that same year beating USC.
Theres plenty of bigger upsets by far less talented teams before the portal was allowed and before the super conferences
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Vanderbilt being 0 for 60 against top 5 teams is the worst record of any team in history.
I wasn't shocked when a mediocre Michigan team lost to APP state.
I was shocked when a #1 Alabama team who just beat Georgia 7 days ago, lost to Vanderbilt.
Cal blew a 35-10 lead.
Terry Bradshaw was AMAZING!!
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My TOP 12 this week are,
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1. Texas
2. OSU
3. Oregon
4. Penn State
5. Indiana
6. BYU
7. Iowa State
8. Miami
9. Georgia
10. Clemson
11. Ole Miss
12. A&M
What team do you guys pull for?
BGR?
GALAXY27?
My team growing up was the badgers and they are still my home team. Gophers are my adopted team as that’s where I went to school for undergrad. Prep your jokes for these easy targets!
Great wins by both yesterday. Gotta love big red stomping the boiler makers. They used to drive through stadium village and dinkytown with that stupid converted fire engine blaring the horn from 6-7am on game days.
You’re talking about betting lines and I’m talking about FPI. FPI has historically been about 70% accurate in predicting outcomes in FBS. It’s a big deal that it’s broken and I like it.
You’re totally welcome to keep talking about the app state upset but remember…. there were a few things working for app state too.
Their defense, especially their secondary, was a complete liability. As far as biggest upsets in history I also don’t think Vandy/Bama is #1 but I think it might have been the largest FPI margin in history. Does that specific detail make sense? I’m trying to highlight what I’m saying again so you don’t continue thinking I’m saying something else. I’m talking about FPI which is a core mechanism, if not the only piece, of how teams are ranked. I’ve never liked FPI because I find it unfair, and now, with the transfer portal, it’s being exposed as BS.
Fun fact: badgers QB that year went to my highschool. I was never a Donovan fan though. If I’m being honest I preferred Barry ball. Different times.
bull i was being tough on your team yesterday but truthfully i have nothing against Bama -- it was a veiled attempt to keep basebal on the straight and narrow. if Ohio St had been #1 and lost at Northwestern, rest assured there would have been nary a mention of parity or portal rolling off his fingers. it would have been all about fraudulence. but that's what he's known for -- bobbing, weaving and spinning like a record to protect his special (needs) ideology without budging one iota.
you, on the other hand, always keep it honest and i respect that -- as evidenced by your top 12 up above that doesn't include Alabama. if basebal posted his 12 he'd probably still have them hugging the top spot because of parity, portal, the greenhouse effect, and Devin Wiliams tipping his pitches to Pete Alonso
to answer your question, i don't have one. i've lived in Texas my entire life but i don't like UT. they're the collegiate version of Jerry Jones' franchise -- it's one big dog and pony show with lots of pomp and circumstance that yields few positive results. the Horns have their own network and are constantly talked up like they are God's gift to college football, yet they haven't won a title in almost two decades. very, very Dallas Cowboys-esque.
with that said, they're attempting to shed the paper tigers label this season. i wouldn't mind if they won. i'm just not an advocate of all talk, zero action teams...........even if it's one in my neck of the woods.
you'll never be able to outrun a bad diet
Absolutely crazy day of games yesterday
Alabama coming off that huge win against Georgia last week gets caught sleeping in Vanderbilt.
Tennessee was a shocker, I thought they were going to really be a top contender
Missouri losing to A&M was something I was surprised at but I think one of you guys called it.
Cal should be absolutely ashamed of themselves for losing to Miami after having such a commanding lead! .
I was just curious.
Speaking of being tough on Bama, nobody is tougher on Bama than Bama fans. I'm a member of BAMA ON3 and it's in meltdown mode. They're griping because DeBoer wore a t-shirt. They want the DC gone. They want one player to be held out in next weeks game. The younger Bama fans that grew up under Saban are having the toughest time....
DeBoer knows the honeymoon is over.
Talking about DeBoer's shirt.....
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No.1 Team in the country is the swarm of loonies that dumped the goalposts into the Cumberland River.
My Dad can beat up your Dad.
In fairness he doesn’t have the body for a medium. Haha.
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Ain't that the truth......he looked like a tall Alvarez....
Cal was up 35-10 with 8:06 left in the 3rd. from that point on, the Canes scored 4 touchdowns. along the way they converted:
4th and 3
4th and 6
4th and 10
and
3rd and 20 with :37 left to set up the winning touchdown
Cal's offseason to-do list:
1) recruit a living, breathing human being who can make a play on defense
you'll never be able to outrun a bad diet
That is a sound plan! 😂😂😂
Didn’t watch Cal Miami, but it looked like a textbook targeting call wasn’t called against Miami, that apparently would have essentially iced the game. Between that and the Hail Mary overturn, the Canes are getting some big time help to remain undefeated.
Jim
In this weeks coaches poll, only 34 points separate Texas and Ohio State from the #1 spot. But whomever wins the Oregon vs Ohio State game should move up to #1. The B1G Ten now has 3 in the top 5 in both polls.
The SEC bias is real. 2 AP voters have Alabama still #3 in their rankings. https://collegepolltracker.com/football/team/alabama-crimson-tide/2024
They don't matter but they kind of do.
They perpetuate the continued narrative about the SEC being the best.
They aren't, but these people that vote in this continue to just push and push and push it.
Terry Bradshaw was AMAZING!!
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That's 2 weeks in a row the ACC Refs bailed Miami out.
Terry Bradshaw was AMAZING!!
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I dont have Miami in my top 10 because they probably should have 2 losses after the blown calls by the refs.
Boise State is an interesting team. They went toe to toe with Oregon on the road. They give up a lot of points on defense but have one of the best offenses in the country.
Terry Bradshaw was AMAZING!!
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Bama is still ranked 3rd in FPI which is what most of the polls use. It’s just a bad metric.
The rankings do matter because it is I’ll affect the selections and ordering and who plays at who. So if you’re not in those first 4 spots you really care about the rankings.
All good points agreed.
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Texas, which had an open date, received 52 out of 61 first-place votes and became the first team in two years to bounce in and out of the top spot in a span of three polls. The Longhorns also were just the third team since 2008 to be voted No. 1 after not playing the day before.
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Gotta Re-do this one... Wrong Topic...
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You never want to be the guy after the GOAT and the offense is more creative, but that defense has really lost some toughness and some discipline. Anything less than one national title in the next 3 or 4 years and he will either get fired or they will make something up to fire him like Auburn did to their coach.
He really needs to bench Moore for at least a half if not the game. Its a little risky but the just absolutely unacceptable after the play garbage. The kicking the football after the ref just spotted it might be the dumbest thing Ive ever seen on a football field. He might have had to find his own ride home if he did that with Saban there
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LOL unreal. I'm surprised those morons didn't put Vanderbilt at #2.
Terry Bradshaw was AMAZING!!
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100% correct. Yes, Cal blew the lead so it's mostly on them but if that targeting is called, the game is basically over.
Certainly seen less get called many times, but Cal should have never let it get to that point. You deserve to lose if you get outscored 29-3 in the last 18 minutes to lose by 1
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Paul Finebaum: “Inexcusable, This will go down as the worst loss in NCAA History. They should’ve fired him before getting on the team bus back home. This loss would’ve never happened with Nick Saban.”
Vanderbilt was 0-60 all time versus AP top-five teams before Saturday, the longest such streak in the poll era (since 1936). The Commodores hadn't beaten the Crimson Tide in 40 years, but they snapped a 23-game skid.
Marking the biggest Upset in NCAA History over Appalachian State’s 34-32 Upset Win Over #5 Michigan, According to Paul Finebaum.
Terry Bradshaw was AMAZING!!
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I'm a huge Finebaum fan, been listening to him for about 30 years. He has a 4 hour show daily from 2-6 CST on SEC NATION.
His show yesterday was spot on, it was inexcusable. It'll be a good show today. You guys here ought to tune in. We have 3 callers that are OSU fans. The callers make the show, always have. Listen for 2 weeks and you'll be hooked.
Jeff is a huge OSU fan and one of my favorite callers....
ROLL TIDE ROLL
Red Sanders was the Vanderbilt coach for 4 seasons. He lead Vandy to one of its greatest football seasons in 1947 which included an upset of Alabama. Sanders went on to do great things as the Head Coach at UCLA starting in 1949 until his sad and premature death in the late 1950s. The 1954 UCLA team was among the best of the decade. The PAC 8 had a no repeat rule in place which prevented the Uclans from meeting Ohio State in the 1955 Rose Bowl. Now that would be been a legendary match up.
Experience the World through Numismatics...it's more than you can imagine.
has anyone seen this kid play
and keep in mind these stats are through 5 games
can't wait to see how this translates at the next level
Kiper has him ranked high
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No… not sure anyone has ever cracked 1000 rushing yards at this point in the season….impressive that their schedule included some decent teams, including Oregon
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I don't know if Barry Sanders did in 88 but he must have been close.
Doesn't look like he'll be playing anymore this year.............
"Georgia Bulldogs wide receiver Colbie Young was arrested on charges of battery and assault of an unborn child early Tuesday (October 8) morning, according to Athens-Clarke County Jail records."
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