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  • fergie23fergie23 Posts: 2,129 ✭✭✭✭

    Those SEC vs B10 bowl matchups are off by one as the 2nd best B10 team isn't playing the 2nd best SEC team. Georgia should be playing OSU with the rest of the matchups shifted. That would have been a really good test between the conferences.

    Sucks for FSU, I think the committee made a terrible mistake simply because they didn't want to deny the SEC a CFP spot. What you do on the field should matter. Fortunately, I don't think they will be able to make this level of mistake again as when determining the 7th or 8th best team for a 12 team playoff, the team(s) left out will have a lot more flaws. I say this believing Alabama/Georgia are absolutely top 4 teams in the country but just believing something shouldn't be enough, they should have had to prove it on the field and Alabama simply doesn't deserve a spot ahead of FSU.

    Robb

  • BullsitterBullsitter Posts: 5,610 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @fergie23 said:
    Those SEC vs B10 bowl matchups are off by one as the 2nd best B10 team isn't playing the 2nd best SEC team. Georgia should be playing OSU with the rest of the matchups shifted. That would have been a really good test between the conferences.

    Sucks for FSU, I think the committee made a terrible mistake simply because they didn't want to deny the SEC a CFP spot. What you do on the field should matter. Fortunately, I don't think they will be able to make this level of mistake again as when determining the 7th or 8th best team for a 12 team playoff, the team(s) left out will have a lot more flaws. I say this believing Alabama/Georgia are absolutely top 4 teams in the country but just believing something shouldn't be enough, they should have had to prove it on the field and Alabama simply doesn't deserve a spot ahead of FSU.

    Robb

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    How can an undefeated #5 team (FSU) be a 13-point underdog to the #6 team (Georgia)?

  • fergie23fergie23 Posts: 2,129 ✭✭✭✭

    "How can an undefeated #5 team (FSU) be a 13-point underdog to the #6 team (Georgia)?"

    Doesn't matter what folks are predicting. Alabama was a 7 point favorite over Texas and lost by 10.

    I already said Georgia/Alabama appear to be top 4 in the country teams but if all we are going to do is use the eye test, why play games at all?? If you don't reward teams for winning then what is the point?

    Let's just put Alabama, Georgia, OSU and Michigan in the CFPs because they appear to be the most talented teams in the country. That is what the committee did, they said FSU winning all of their games is irrelevant because their QB got injured. Why didn't they apply that logic to OSU in 2014 when Barrett went down and the OSU 3rd string QB took over? It would have been one thing if FSU was a one loss ACC champion but they weren't. They were undefeated.

    Robb

  • coolstanleycoolstanley Posts: 2,822 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Oregon was favored by 10 over Washington.

    But yeah its a travesty that two one loss teams got in over a undefeated. I think FSU had the most wins over teams playing in bowl games.

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  • BrickBrick Posts: 4,981 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I think the committee got it right. FSU would be a warm up game for Michigan. I expect Alabama to easily handle Michigan. I believe Alabama wins it all as they avenge their loss to Texas.

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  • BrickBrick Posts: 4,981 ✭✭✭✭✭

    BTW. Michigan players eat their cereal off of plates because they just can't handle bowls.

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  • BullsitterBullsitter Posts: 5,610 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited December 4, 2023 10:43AM

    @fergie23 said:
    "How can an undefeated #5 team (FSU) be a 13-point underdog to the #6 team (Georgia)?"

    Doesn't matter what folks are predicting. Alabama was a 7 point favorite over Texas and lost by 10.

    I already said Georgia/Alabama appear to be top 4 in the country teams but if all we are going to do is use the eye test, why play games at all?? If you don't reward teams for winning then what is the point?

    Let's just put Alabama, Georgia, OSU and Michigan in the CFPs because they appear to be the most talented teams in the country. That is what the committee did, they said FSU winning all of their games is irrelevant because their QB got injured. when Barrett went down and the OSU 3rd string QB took over? It would have been one thing if FSU was a one loss ACC champion but they weren't. They were undefeated.

    Robb

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    Thanks, that answered my question, the qb is injured.

    Why didn't they apply that logic to OSU in 2014?
    OSU vs Wisconsin in championship game, OSU won 59-0, Cardale had 260 yds and 3 tds.
    FSU vs L'ville in championship game, FSU won 16-6 and had 55 yds passing.

    Those stats might have something to do with that.

    Also, last year they were ready to start the 12-team playoff this year but the ACC and two more conferences said no, they weren't ready. If the ACC had voted yes we'd have a 12-team playoff this year and FSU would be in.

    Maybe if the SEC expands again FSU would join, they'd make a great addition. I remember, under Bowden, FSU had a chance to join the SEC but went to the ACC.

    Good luck against Georgia.

  • Steven59Steven59 Posts: 8,642 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @coolstanley said:

    @Bullsitter said:
    Ohio State starting quarterback Kyle McCord enters transfer portal.....oh my.

    I wonder who plays against Missouri? We shall see.

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  • Steven59Steven59 Posts: 8,642 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @Bullsitter said:
    Ohio State starting quarterback Kyle McCord enters transfer portal.....oh my.

    Anybody hear why? Death threats from losing to Michigan?

    We all know this is all lawyer written.....

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  • coolstanleycoolstanley Posts: 2,822 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @Bullsitter said:

    @fergie23 said:
    "How can an undefeated #5 team (FSU) be a 13-point underdog to the #6 team (Georgia)?"

    Doesn't matter what folks are predicting. Alabama was a 7 point favorite over Texas and lost by 10.

    I already said Georgia/Alabama appear to be top 4 in the country teams but if all we are going to do is use the eye test, why play games at all?? If you don't reward teams for winning then what is the point?

    Let's just put Alabama, Georgia, OSU and Michigan in the CFPs because they appear to be the most talented teams in the country. That is what the committee did, they said FSU winning all of their games is irrelevant because their QB got injured. when Barrett went down and the OSU 3rd string QB took over? It would have been one thing if FSU was a one loss ACC champion but they weren't. They were undefeated.

    Robb

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    Thanks, that answered my question, the qb is injured.

    Why didn't they apply that logic to OSU in 2014?
    OSU vs Wisconsin in championship game, OSU won 59-0, Cardale had 260 yds and 3 tds.
    FSU vs L'ville in championship game, FSU won 16-6 and had 55 yds passing.

    2014 Ohio State didn't get placed over a undefeated team. Apples and oranges.

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  • Basebal21Basebal21 Posts: 3,378 ✭✭✭✭
    edited December 4, 2023 7:19PM

    @Bullsitter said:
    Hey CoolStanley, you're the smartest football fan on the boards.
    Can you please tell me why FSU is a 13-point underdog to Georgia.
    How can an undefeated #5 team (FSU) be a 13-point underdog to the #6 team (Georgia)?

    Michigan and Washington would be significant underdogs to Georgia as well

    @fergie23 said:
    Those SEC vs B10 bowl matchups are off by one as the 2nd best B10 team isn't playing the 2nd best SEC team. Georgia should be playing OSU with the rest of the matchups shifted. That would have been a really good test between the conferences.

    Sucks for FSU, I think the committee made a terrible mistake simply because they didn't want to deny the SEC a CFP spot. What you do on the field should matter. Fortunately, I don't think they will be able to make this level of mistake again as when determining the 7th or 8th best team for a 12 team playoff, the team(s) left out will have a lot more flaws. I say this believing Alabama/Georgia are absolutely top 4 teams in the country but just believing something shouldn't be enough, they should have had to prove it on the field and Alabama simply doesn't deserve a spot ahead of FSU.

    Robb

    Youre right what you do on the field should matter and Bama did more on the field than FSU. Bama had 4 ranked wins in a much much tougher division. If FSU had to play Bama or Georgia they would have had a loss. Georgia and Bama just have the unfortunate path of usually having to go through each other even though they are the two most talented teams in the county.

    As far as bowl games we have to wait and see what kind of test they will be. We wont know until we know all the opt outs. For instance LSU will probably be without its Heisman QB and its two first round WRs which clearly wouldnt be a representation of what they were > @fergie23 said:

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  • Basebal21Basebal21 Posts: 3,378 ✭✭✭✭
    edited December 4, 2023 3:04PM

    @Steven59 said:

    @Bullsitter said:
    Ohio State starting quarterback Kyle McCord enters transfer portal.....oh my.

    Anybody hear why? Death threats from losing to Michigan?

    We all know this is all lawyer written.....

    They very likely told him they were planning to replace him because he simply isnt that good. Ryan Day wouldnt even commit to starting him in the Bowl game during his interview

    Theres already several QBs in the portal that are better to significantly better than him

    With Harrison JR going to the draft theyre going to need someone significantly better than him next year

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  • Steven59Steven59 Posts: 8,642 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Do you think it has anything to do with McCord losing money from deals/endorsements/gifts from his poor performance vs Michigan? So now he's going elsewhere to recoup his loses? After all, he probably will never be an NFL caliber starter so the "college money" is more than he will make in the pros. Rumor has it Caleb Williams pulls in around 8 Million as the USC QB.

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  • Basebal21Basebal21 Posts: 3,378 ✭✭✭✭

    Multiple QBs are making millions. Ewers got over a million to be the backup at OSU then got another payday transferring to Texas. It would be smart for McCord to go get a payday from somewhere like Miami (whose QB also entered the portal) rather than stay and fight for a job. He needs to get paid as much as possible while he can in college because there is no NFL for him unless he magically gets much better somewhere else.

    I do also think Ryan Day told him that hes not guaranteed any playing time next year. Day has to be feeling the hot seat at this point with his atrocious record against top teams

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  • Steven59Steven59 Posts: 8,642 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Yes, on sports talk radio today it was stated that Day would not answer the question when asked if McCord would be the starter for next season.

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  • Basebal21Basebal21 Posts: 3,378 ✭✭✭✭

    Id be surprised if he ended up at a high end program, but theres a ton of schools like a Duke or pretty much anyone in the B!G west that need QBs and will pay for one.

    The portal has shown to be very favorable for QBs and WRs. Teams can just keep reloading those positions through it. Linemen is the one area the portal generally lacks

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  • MartinMartin Posts: 962 ✭✭✭✭✭

    FSU will get there rear handed to them. 1 because of big let down (being hosed)
    2 Georgia is most likely the better team

    I think FSU got robbed ( I don’t even care for them)
    It will hurt all non sec schools in recruiting .
    If I was a member of this FSU team I would highly consider waiting untill the plane takes off for the bowl game and just no go. Imagine if all the kids did that. I feel like the NCAA robbed me why should I go put my body on the line for them to make millions on the bowl game. Leave the networks who are actually calling most of the shots with 4 hours of reruns instead of a football game.

    I really don’t know why this bothers me so much I think most people saw it coming. It is just wrong

    Martin

  • BullsitterBullsitter Posts: 5,610 ✭✭✭✭✭

    An Auburn friend of mine sent me this.....surprise, surprise, surprise.
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  • coolstanleycoolstanley Posts: 2,822 ✭✭✭✭✭

    David Eickholt
    @DavidEickholt
    Florida State QB Jordan Travis isn't good enough to be invited to the Heisman Ceremony, but he's good enough to keep his team out of the College Football Playoff.

    Absolute. Garbage.

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  • coolstanleycoolstanley Posts: 2,822 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Shannon knew the script in 2017.

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  • coolstanleycoolstanley Posts: 2,822 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Heisman Finalists.

    Marvin Harrison JR
    Michael Penix JR
    Jayden Daniels
    Bo Nix

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  • MaywoodMaywood Posts: 2,090 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I suspect that Kyle McCord left Ohio State for two reasons: he probably knew he would be challenged and not the starter in 2024 --- and --- he can now choose to play as a starter where can improve his chances of being drafted.

  • BullsitterBullsitter Posts: 5,610 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Missouri +2.........I thought it was +7

  • Basebal21Basebal21 Posts: 3,378 ✭✭✭✭
    edited December 5, 2023 7:44AM

    @coolstanley said:
    Heisman Finalists.

    Marvin Harrison JR
    Michael Penix JR
    Jayden Daniels
    Bo Nix

    Please tell me youre just trolling at this point with that order.

    Daniels is the only deserving option and anyone that votes against him should lose their vote

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  • MCMLVToppsMCMLVTopps Posts: 4,831 ✭✭✭✭✭

    When you have a subjective system you will always have disagreement and some bad calls.

    If the decision to exclude FSU was based primarily on the loss of the starting qb, I think that's pretty myopic. Seemed to me that the backup qb did pretty well, although I haven't looked at all his starts. Maybe the decision makers didn't want to exclude an SEC team, or maybe it was the blowout last year. Next year, with 12 teams in the mix, things will be worked out on the field and let the scores speak for themselves, much like MLB.

    I still think FSU got royally screwed.

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  • fergie23fergie23 Posts: 2,129 ✭✭✭✭

    Youre right what you do on the field should matter and Bama did more on the field than FSU. Bama had 4 ranked wins in a much much tougher division. If FSU had to play Bama or Georgia they would have had a loss

    And you would have said Texas would lose to Alabama if they hadn't already played.

    Can we stop pretending Alabama is some sort of great team? They needed a 4th and 31 miracle to beat a team that lost by 21 points to New Mexico St. They barely beat Arkansas. They did nothing to deserve a spot over FSU. Heck FSU beat LSU by 21 and Alabama beat LSU by 14. So common opponent FSU was better.

    Robb

  • BullsitterBullsitter Posts: 5,610 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Have mercy, what in the world is going on?
    OSU opened as a 7-point favorite and now Missouri is a 1-point favorite.
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  • Basebal21Basebal21 Posts: 3,378 ✭✭✭✭

    @fergie23 said:
    Youre right what you do on the field should matter and Bama did more on the field than FSU. Bama had 4 ranked wins in a much much tougher division. If FSU had to play Bama or Georgia they would have had a loss

    And you would have said Texas would lose to Alabama if they hadn't already played.

    Can we stop pretending Alabama is some sort of great team? They needed a 4th and 31 miracle to beat a team that lost by 21 points to New Mexico St. They barely beat Arkansas. They did nothing to deserve a spot over FSU. Heck FSU beat LSU by 21 and Alabama beat LSU by 14. So common opponent FSU was better.

    Robb

    Actually you can probably find it where I said Texas is a very very good team and could be in the playoffs before the year began. They have a potential first round QB, they do have a first round WR and an elite RB before he got hurt, their lines are too, top 5 talent roster in terms of stars rankings. Theyve underachieved in the last several years

    Theres no reason to stop pretending that Alabama is some sort of great team because its not pretend, they are a great team. They have one weakness, QB who has gotten better when they figured out

    Bama had 4 ranked wins. FSU had 2. FSUs best wins were Louisville and LSU, their 3rd best win was Duke. They lost their star QB and their backups would be practice level against a playoff team. Bamas best wins were Georgia, Ole Miss, LSU, Tennessee.

    Yes Bama deserves to be in over FSU and FSU would not have gone undefeated with their schedule. FSU is also not the same team that won the first 11 games once Travis got hurt. FSU fans should be complaining to the ACC commish for voting for this. The ACC, the Pac 2, and the B!G all fought too and nail to block playoff expansion and are the reason why it isnt happening until next year. FSU is in with the 12 team playoff

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  • MaywoodMaywood Posts: 2,090 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @Bullsitter said: Have mercy, what in the world is going on?
    OSU opened as a 7-point favorite and now Missouri is a 1-point favorite
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    It's probably a reflection of McCord entering the transfer portal and the assumption that he won't play.

  • Basebal21Basebal21 Posts: 3,378 ✭✭✭✭

    He cant play. He would have to remove himself from the portal

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  • coolstanleycoolstanley Posts: 2,822 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @Maywood said:
    @Bullsitter said: Have mercy, what in the world is going on?
    OSU opened as a 7-point favorite and now Missouri is a 1-point favorite
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    It's probably a reflection of McCord entering the transfer portal and the assumption that he won't play.

    Alot of their stars arnt playing including Marvin Harrison JR.

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  • coolstanleycoolstanley Posts: 2,822 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I been hearing Cam Ward is going to the Buckeyes.

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  • BullsitterBullsitter Posts: 5,610 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Pollack played for georgia... :p
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    @BillJones said:
    The Georgia - Alabama game should serve as a lesson for the Philadelphia Eagles. You can’t keep falling behind and expect to come back.

    Alabama got a huge break at the end of the first half. The Alabama player didn’t catch a fourth down play pass which was called a catch. Shortly there after Alabama scored which made it 17 to 7 at the half.

    Georgia’s national championship season is over. They didn’t play well enough to win.

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    Here's an update on that play.

    “The play was reviewed,” an SEC spokesman told The Atlanta Journal-Constitution, responding to an email requesting an explanation. “Every play is reviewed in the Video Center, but some are stopped for further review. The play you referenced was reviewed, and it was determined there was not enough evidence to overturn the call and not necessary to stop the play for further review.”

  • BillJonesBillJones Posts: 33,958 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited December 6, 2023 1:52PM

    @Bullsitter said:

    @BillJones said:
    The Georgia - Alabama game should serve as a lesson for the Philadelphia Eagles. You can’t keep falling behind and expect to come back.

    Alabama got a huge break at the end of the first half. The Alabama player didn’t catch a fourth down play pass which was called a catch. Shortly there after Alabama scored which made it 17 to 7 at the half.

    Georgia’s national championship season is over. They didn’t play well enough to win.

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    Here's an update on that play.

    “The play was reviewed,” an SEC spokesman told The Atlanta Journal-Constitution, responding to an email requesting an explanation. “Every play is reviewed in the Video Center, but some are stopped for further review. The play you referenced was reviewed, and it was determined there was not enough evidence to overturn the call and not necessary to stop the play for further review.”

    Yep, no further review was required when a potential nation title hangs in the balance. Got it. What else do you expect them to say? They are not going to embarrass their fellow officials with a contrary opinion. They are going to circle the wagons.

    The ball was bouncing on the ground when the receiver hit the turf. The powers of college football are smiling down on their favorite, Alabama.

    If Alabama runs the table in the national tournament, then the call was right. If Michigan takes them out, it shows they should not have been there over the Florida team.

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  • DMWJRDMWJR Posts: 6,006 ✭✭✭✭✭

    All of this bantering, which is valid, just points to the 12 team playoff system coming next year was the right call.

    Doug
  • Basebal21Basebal21 Posts: 3,378 ✭✭✭✭

    The call had nothing to do with smiling down on their favorite, they absolutely love Georgia who hadnt lost in almost 3 years just as much. The ball wasnt bouncing on the ground, it moved a little and his arm was under it. Could it have been called incompletely, probably. Was what ever call happened on the field likely to stand, yes

    The 4 team playoff never made any sense. When the playoff was created there were 5 power conferences meaning someone was always going to be left out. They were basically just banking on one of the conferences being so bad every year rthat they wouldnt complain. It never should have been any less than 6

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  • coolstanleycoolstanley Posts: 2,822 ✭✭✭✭✭

    BIG TEN has 4 of the top 5 rated defenses.

    https://www.ncaa.com/stats/football/fbs/current/team/22

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  • Basebal21Basebal21 Posts: 3,378 ✭✭✭✭
    edited December 7, 2023 1:19AM

    Air Force is the 6th ranked defense...

    OSU is also the highest rated B!G offense at 36 from the same site if you change total defense to total offense
    https://www.ncaa.com/stats/football/fbs/current/team/21

    The B!G did not have 4 of the top 5 defenses, but they did have bad offenses

    Its just ranking yards per game and yards given up

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  • BullsitterBullsitter Posts: 5,610 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited December 7, 2023 5:45AM

    @Applejacks said:
    Bama is too young and inexperienced to pose a threat to Georgia.

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    Applejacks has left the building, hope he's well.....you out there AJ........ B)
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  • coolstanleycoolstanley Posts: 2,822 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited December 8, 2023 4:21AM

    Most new years six bowls by conference.

    SEC - 31 BIG TEN 27 ACC 17

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    Terry Bradshaw was AMAZING!!

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  • coolstanleycoolstanley Posts: 2,822 ✭✭✭✭✭

    BCS rankings - if they still existed.

    1. Michigan
    2. Washington
    3. Florida State
    4. Texas

    Shockingly, nobody agrees with leaving out an undefeated P5 conference champion.
    The interesting question that we have every year is whether the committee will agree with the BCS System. Since the inception of the 4 team format, the top 4 has always agreed with the BCS in terms of which teams were selected. The order may not have always been the same, and in a few cases the matchups differed slightly, but the top 4 were always consistent..until this year.

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  • MaywoodMaywood Posts: 2,090 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I think that with Florida State we are now beating the proverbial dead horse.

  • Basebal21Basebal21 Posts: 3,378 ✭✭✭✭

    The BCS hasnt been a thing for years. FSU is not a top 3 team without Travis. The BCS rankings had Bama 3rd FSU 4th and left out Texas at 5th

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  • coolstanleycoolstanley Posts: 2,822 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @Maywood said:
    I think that with Florida State we are now beating the proverbial dead horse.

    Will be talked about for years to come. Everybody outside of Bama goggles knows Florida State should be in the playoffs.

    Both the AP poll and the coaches poll have Florida State in the top four, and Alabama not ranked in the top 4.

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  • TabeTabe Posts: 6,060 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @Brick said:
    BTW. Michigan players eat their cereal off of plates because they just can't handle bowls.

    I'm a Michigan fan and laughed at this.

  • coolstanleycoolstanley Posts: 2,822 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited December 9, 2023 5:46AM
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