@coolstanley said:
Not thrilled with the 12 team playoff expansion. Going to let 3 loss teams compete for championships now. Nobody wants to see that
I do. I would love to see a team like Utah, who is peaking at the end of the season, in the playoffs. They dismantled U$C almost as bad as they massacred Oregon last year in the Pac 12 championship. I think they would be a tough playoff out if there were 12 teams.
@coolstanley said:
Not thrilled with the 12 team playoff expansion. Going to let 3 loss teams compete for championships now. Nobody wants to see that
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I do.
It will expose weak schedules.
Last night, #11 Utah (9-3) beat #4 USC (11-1).......and the Florida Gators (6-6) beat Utah.
Utah lost by 1 point, in the first game of the year, on the road, so yes it's a loss but to make it sound like Florida and Utah are comparable NOW I don't think is accurate. I don't think that does anything to expose a weak schedule. Utah may, or may not, have a weak schedule but that one game isn't much evidence.
Should K State win, just end the hype and nonsense and have GA play UM provided that both win. Seems there needs to be consequences for loosing a conference title game. The process of elimination should take on a more compelling rationale instead of rewarding those that simply do not deserve to be rewarded. The playoff system should basically be s h i t c a n n e d because it simply does not work as anticipated. Mega conferences do not work. And we seem to be on the verge of ciaos as it is...
I think I have made it clear but for those that tuned in late... the playoff system in college football simply fails for so many compelling reasons. End the money grab and restore the conferences to what they once were. Implement challenges as to top to bottom between conferences to establish a baseline of strength. I don't see a problem with multiple national champions- I see a huge problem with a playoff system that really establishes nothing other than Team A beat team B on a certain day. Instead, schedule strength and conference strength should mean something. Rivalry games mean something. And those outside the Big Ten just don't get the trophy games which mean something.
Expanding the playoffs to 12 just expands the problem unless it really is a mon$y grab... and maybe that it really is not about the end result instead of how much $$$$ can be made in the process. Sad... but that seems to be the new norm.
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I don't see why 1-3 are in no matter what they do, as coinkat said "there needs to be consequences for losing a conference title game" and that should be no chance for a national championship. I can't understand why otherwise intelligent people can't appreciate that and would argue the point.
Arbitrary rankings based on people voting for their favorite team has too many inherent flaws.
So I just posed a simple question to my GF. She's smart and understands football.
--- Q --- If a team doesn't win their conference championship should they have a chance to play for the national championship??
--- A --- (without hesitation) No.
@Maywood said:
So I just posed a simple question to my GF. She's smart and understands football.
--- Q --- If a team doesn't win their conference championship should they have a chance to play for the national championship??
--- A --- (without hesitation) No.
You do realize the Big 10 could have two in the playoffs who lost the conference championship
@Maywood said:
So I just posed a simple question to my GF. She's smart and understands football.
--- Q --- If a team doesn't win their conference championship should they have a chance to play for the national championship??
--- A --- (without hesitation) No.
You do realize the Big 10 could have two in the playoffs who lost the conference championship
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That would be something. Purdue has a great record against top 5 teams, so anything is possible.
To answer your question, I may have said only conferences champions, but it all depends. This wouldn't be the first time Ohio State got in as a non conference champ. But who else would you put in front of them? Every other team behind them has at least two losses.
Will be interesting to see what the committee does with TCU. They should drop losing to a 3 loss team, which would mean a Ohio State vs Michigan rematch in the semis. Since the game was close, I think TCU will remain in the top four because its their only loss.
Since when does winning the conference Championship game mean a thing ??
The powers to be to make more money have decided to:
"The expanded 12-team bracket will feature the six highest-ranked conference champions as automatic qualifiers along with the next six highest-ranked teams. The four highest-ranked conference champions will be seeded 1-4 with first-round byes."
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Did anyone else notice the single five second spot they showed of the "committee" gathered together yesterday watching the games?? It looked like they were in a hotel somewhere, hunkered down for a long day of football followed by an all-nighter to figure out the order. It gave me the feeling that a Jury-Of-My-Peers was sequestered for the weekend as they contemplated the fate of some murder suspect.
I see some interesting possibilities:
Georgia.
Michigan.
Ohio State.
Alabama.
Georgia.
Michigan.
Alabama.
Ohio State.
Georgia.
Michigan.
Kansas State.
Utah.
Georgia.
Michigan.
Ohio State or Alabama.
Clemson.
Georgia.
Michigan.
Clemson.
TCU.
Or, the "committee" could just skip through all the formalities and choose one of two options:
--- Option number one: Georgia vs. Michigan.
--- Option number two: Award the National Title to Georgia on Christmas Day.
The scheduling of these prime bowl games is one victim of the fall-out from the screwy rankings this season. K State looked quite stout yesterday, I think their biggest mistake was handing the ball to Deuce Bigelow in too many critical situations when they have an unstoppable beast for QB. I was thinking that all game until Deuce ripped off that 45 yard TD!!
What is the point of having conference championship games if they don't count for anything? This is why the CFP is a total farce. Only conference champions should get into the 4 team CFP. So that would be Georgia, Michigan, Utah, and Clemson as the best 4 conference champions. Ohio State did was not good enough to make it to their conference championship and TCU lost theirs. Seriously? What farce.
So Georgia gets a Home Game in the play-offs?? Why would they do that?? I thought the whole point of the warm-weather games was for the weather and a neutral field?? In the whole scheme of things it won't matter who Georgia plays or where they play them. JMHO, but All-In-All I don't think this format, the picks or the "committee" in charge of everything could screw it up more than they have. How is it possible that TCU loses their championship game and absolutely nothing changes for them??
My take is this: the "committee" watched USC lose Friday night and decided the best choice to replace them was Ohio State. By doing that they inadvertently trapped themselves. They clearly didn't anticipate TCU losing which meant that if they dropped TCU there would be a rematch between Ohio State and Michigan, something they didn't want because they learned that lesson last season. The result --- TCU lost, but so what, if we move them then we get stuck with Ohio State vs. Michigan and Georgia vs. Alabama!!!
@spacehayduke said:
What is the point of having conference championship games if they don't count for anything? This is why the CFP is a total farce. Only conference champions should get into the 4 team CFP. So that would be Georgia, Michigan, Utah, and Clemson as the best 4 conference champions. Ohio State did was not good enough to make it to their conference championship and TCU lost theirs. Seriously? What farce.
@Maywood said:
So I just posed a simple question to my GF. She's smart and understands football.
--- Q --- If a team doesn't win their conference championship should they have a chance to play for the national championship??
--- A --- (without hesitation) No.
--- Q --- If a team doesn't win their conference championship (because they weren't good enough to make the conference championship game) should they have a chance to play for the national championship??
I don't know what the answer is but listening to sports radio yesterday morning the blow hard said (when speaking of TCU) "No way should a team get penalized for playing in their conference championship." Obviously that's what happened to USC. I am not saying USC is better than Ohio State but it is ironic to get penalized for playing another game. I have no problem with the 4 teams. I just think it brings up an interesting point about playing or not playing in your conference championship.
@larryallen73, no matter how many ways you try to slice it, the problem is still that there's a "committee" making an arbitrary decision on who should play. That is self-serving and biased. We can ask the same question in any number of forms but I always get the same answer, No.
--- Q --- If a team isn't good enough to play in their conference championship should they have a chance to play for the national championship??
@Bullsitter said: In past years when the SEC got 2 teams in the playoffs there was lots of whining and crying...
Now that 2 Big10 teams are in..............crickets......
Read back a few pages, I think I've been pretty up front about the fact that I don't agree with it, I may have even been the first one here to say as much.
BTW, whatever happened to Ohio State homer @garnettstyle who's been absent for a while now??
When did two sec teams have one loss between two teams? The committee had no choice. Every other team had at least two losses and no TWO LOSS team HAS EVER landed in the top four. So I see no argument here other then the sec homies crying.
I think Brick used that same line earlier... it was funny then and it is today even if modified.
In all seriousness... Ohio State is the team with the chip on their shoulder. I have this feeling this game with Georgia will be one of the better games. I thought a KState-Utah match up would be the the best- did not get scheduled. Instead, Alabama and Penn State may have much more in store than they anticipated.
We have read about conference match ups. And there are some interesting match ups between the SEC and Big Ten. The Mike Leach Mississippi State offense against the Illinois pass defense just might be part of the real test. That seems to be the best and most even match up between the two conferences in this Bowl Season.
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@coinkat said: Ohio State is the team with the chip on their shoulder.
Ohio State should be careful or Georgia will take the chip and beat them to death with it!! Though it may be possible to rack up yards against the Bulldogs and maybe even some points they present a formidable challenge for the Buckeyes defense.
Five games I want to see:
1. Ga vs OSU
2. Michigan vs TCU
3. Utah vs PSU
4. S, Carolina vs N. Dame
5. Bama vs KSU
IF Bryce and Anderson opt out because of the NFL draft Bama will get thumped.
OSU has a chance of beating Georgia. I think they are even in all positions except for te, lb and safety. They seem a step behind good offenses, Bama (2020) and the last two Michigan games, jmo. I just wish they weren't playing in the ATL...it's not fair.
PSU VS Utes, man, that should be a rock 'em sock 'em game.
I'll be pulling for OSU and Michigan, then Michigan....and I'm serious.
GA, has gotten too big for their britches, somebody needs to spank 'em.
@coolstanley said:
When did two sec teams have one loss between two teams? The committee had no choice. Every other team had at least two losses and no TWO LOSS team HAS EVER landed in the top four. So I see no argument here other then the sec homies crying.
Shouldn't matter, in a 4 team playoff, you take 4 conference champions. Period. 12 team playoff will solve the issue at least to some extent.
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I do. I would love to see a team like Utah, who is peaking at the end of the season, in the playoffs. They dismantled U$C almost as bad as they massacred Oregon last year in the Pac 12 championship. I think they would be a tough playoff out if there were 12 teams.
Utah lost by 1 point, in the first game of the year, on the road, so yes it's a loss but to make it sound like Florida and Utah are comparable NOW I don't think is accurate. I don't think that does anything to expose a weak schedule. Utah may, or may not, have a weak schedule but that one game isn't much evidence.
Looks like TCU/K. St. might be a shoot-out, what happens if number three loses??
1 through 3 are already in. Just a question of which spot.
Brick was onto something...
Should K State win, just end the hype and nonsense and have GA play UM provided that both win. Seems there needs to be consequences for loosing a conference title game. The process of elimination should take on a more compelling rationale instead of rewarding those that simply do not deserve to be rewarded. The playoff system should basically be s h i t c a n n e d because it simply does not work as anticipated. Mega conferences do not work. And we seem to be on the verge of ciaos as it is...
I think I have made it clear but for those that tuned in late... the playoff system in college football simply fails for so many compelling reasons. End the money grab and restore the conferences to what they once were. Implement challenges as to top to bottom between conferences to establish a baseline of strength. I don't see a problem with multiple national champions- I see a huge problem with a playoff system that really establishes nothing other than Team A beat team B on a certain day. Instead, schedule strength and conference strength should mean something. Rivalry games mean something. And those outside the Big Ten just don't get the trophy games which mean something.
Expanding the playoffs to 12 just expands the problem unless it really is a mon$y grab... and maybe that it really is not about the end result instead of how much $$$$ can be made in the process. Sad... but that seems to be the new norm.
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I don't see why 1-3 are in no matter what they do, as coinkat said "there needs to be consequences for losing a conference title game" and that should be no chance for a national championship. I can't understand why otherwise intelligent people can't appreciate that and would argue the point.
Arbitrary rankings based on people voting for their favorite team has too many inherent flaws.
So I just posed a simple question to my GF. She's smart and understands football.
--- Q --- If a team doesn't win their conference championship should they have a chance to play for the national championship??
--- A --- (without hesitation) No.
You do realize the Big 10 could have two in the playoffs who lost the conference championship
😭
That would be something. Purdue has a great record against top 5 teams, so anything is possible.
To answer your question, I may have said only conferences champions, but it all depends. This wouldn't be the first time Ohio State got in as a non conference champ. But who else would you put in front of them? Every other team behind them has at least two losses.
Will be interesting to see what the committee does with TCU. They should drop losing to a 3 loss team, which would mean a Ohio State vs Michigan rematch in the semis. Since the game was close, I think TCU will remain in the top four because its their only loss.
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Since when does winning the conference Championship game mean a thing ??
The powers to be to make more money have decided to:
"The expanded 12-team bracket will feature the six highest-ranked conference champions as automatic qualifiers along with the next six highest-ranked teams. The four highest-ranked conference champions will be seeded 1-4 with first-round byes."
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But those consequences should be less than not even qualifying for the conference title game.
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I dont see the committee leaping Alabama over TCU, when TCU only has one loss.
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Saben... begging at half-time for a spot in the final 4. Not impressed with his act, nor the logic he is using!
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Coolstanleys top 10
Georgia
Michigan
Ohio State
TCU
Clemson
Penn State
Washington
USC
Tennessee
Utah
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I did find a new excuse for the filing cabinet, never heard this one.
" the first game of the year".
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SEC already beat the PAC-12 and ACC champ this year with their mid tier teams.
Now the Big 12 and Big 10 can wrestle with its Top Dawg.
Good luck !
2022-23 bowl-eligible teams
Did anyone else notice the single five second spot they showed of the "committee" gathered together yesterday watching the games?? It looked like they were in a hotel somewhere, hunkered down for a long day of football followed by an all-nighter to figure out the order. It gave me the feeling that a Jury-Of-My-Peers was sequestered for the weekend as they contemplated the fate of some murder suspect.
I see some interesting possibilities:
Georgia.
Michigan.
Ohio State.
Alabama.
Georgia.
Michigan.
Alabama.
Ohio State.
Georgia.
Michigan.
Kansas State.
Utah.
Georgia.
Michigan.
Ohio State or Alabama.
Clemson.
Georgia.
Michigan.
Clemson.
TCU.
Or, the "committee" could just skip through all the formalities and choose one of two options:
--- Option number one: Georgia vs. Michigan.
--- Option number two: Award the National Title to Georgia on Christmas Day.
Looks like Bama vs KSU in the Sugar Bowl.
I wonder what the Vegas odds will be.
The Big 12 champs that beat TCU, a playoff team vs Bama that finished 4th in the SEC.
Surely KSU will be favored by 7+
The scheduling of these prime bowl games is one victim of the fall-out from the screwy rankings this season. K State looked quite stout yesterday, I think their biggest mistake was handing the ball to Deuce Bigelow in too many critical situations when they have an unstoppable beast for QB. I was thinking that all game until Deuce ripped off that 45 yard TD!!
OSU vs Georgia in Atlanta.
Talk about home field advantage, it's loud, loud, loud.
Congrats to TCU, go Michigan.....
LSU just put up 550 yards and 500 yards passing against Georgia.
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What is the point of having conference championship games if they don't count for anything? This is why the CFP is a total farce. Only conference champions should get into the 4 team CFP. So that would be Georgia, Michigan, Utah, and Clemson as the best 4 conference champions. Ohio State did was not good enough to make it to their conference championship and TCU lost theirs. Seriously? What farce.
So Georgia gets a Home Game in the play-offs?? Why would they do that?? I thought the whole point of the warm-weather games was for the weather and a neutral field?? In the whole scheme of things it won't matter who Georgia plays or where they play them. JMHO, but All-In-All I don't think this format, the picks or the "committee" in charge of everything could screw it up more than they have. How is it possible that TCU loses their championship game and absolutely nothing changes for them??
My take is this: the "committee" watched USC lose Friday night and decided the best choice to replace them was Ohio State. By doing that they inadvertently trapped themselves. They clearly didn't anticipate TCU losing which meant that if they dropped TCU there would be a rematch between Ohio State and Michigan, something they didn't want because they learned that lesson last season. The result --- TCU lost, but so what, if we move them then we get stuck with Ohio State vs. Michigan and Georgia vs. Alabama!!!
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Sounds good to me.
I think OSU can hang in there against Georgia right up to the opening kickoff.
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--- Q --- If a team doesn't win their conference championship (because they weren't good enough to make the conference championship game) should they have a chance to play for the national championship??
I don't know what the answer is but listening to sports radio yesterday morning the blow hard said (when speaking of TCU) "No way should a team get penalized for playing in their conference championship." Obviously that's what happened to USC. I am not saying USC is better than Ohio State but it is ironic to get penalized for playing another game. I have no problem with the 4 teams. I just think it brings up an interesting point about playing or not playing in your conference championship.
@larryallen73, no matter how many ways you try to slice it, the problem is still that there's a "committee" making an arbitrary decision on who should play. That is self-serving and biased. We can ask the same question in any number of forms but I always get the same answer, No.
--- Q --- If a team isn't good enough to play in their conference championship should they have a chance to play for the national championship??
Transfer portal is crazy this year.
The committee had it easy this year to pick the top 4 being there are only two undefeated teams and only two one loss teams.
“We lost to South Carolina Orange Bowl”
Clemson vs Tennessee.
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Yes, Georgia has blown good teams out this year, but we can’t ignore the Missouri and Kentucky road games.
It could be one of those affairs also.
We shall see.
Coaches poll
1 Georgia 13-0 1523 59 1 — 1/3
2 Michigan 13-0 1466 2 2 — 2/6
3 Ohio State 11-1 1359 0 5 2 2/5
4 Texas Christian 12-1 1353 0 3 -1 3/NR
5 Alabama 10-2 1282 0 6 1 1/11
6 Tennessee 10-2 1116 0 8 2 3/NR
7 Penn State 10-2 1074 0 7 — 7/NR
8 Southern California 11-2 1054 0 4 -4 4/15
9 Kansas State 10-3 1050 0 10 1 9/NR
10 Utah 10-3 1044 0 12 2 8/19
11 Clemson 11-2 1003 0 11 — 4/12
12 Washington 10-2 864 0 9 -3 9/NR
13 Florida State 9-3 741 0 14 1 13/NR
14 Oregon 9-3 661 0 15 1 6/24
15 Louisiana State 9-4 635 0 13 -2 6/NR
16 Oregon State 9-3 629 0 16 — 16/NR
17 Tulane 11-2 591 0 18 1 17/NR
18 UCLA 9-3 541 0 17 -1 10/NR
19 South Carolina 8-4 354 0 20 1 19/NR
20 Notre Dame 8-4 323 0 19 -1 5/NR
21 Texas 8-4 300 0 21 — 18/NR
22 Texas-San Antonio 11-2 206 0 24 2 22/NR
23 Mississippi State 8-4 139 0 25 2 17/NR
24 Troy 11-2 132 0 NR 3 24/NR
25 North Carolina
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In past years when the SEC got 2 teams in the playoffs there was lots of whining and crying...
Now that 2 Big10 teams are in..............crickets......
Because this was the reaction around Columbus when they realized they got the #4 seed
@Bullsitter said: In past years when the SEC got 2 teams in the playoffs there was lots of whining and crying...
Now that 2 Big10 teams are in..............crickets......
Read back a few pages, I think I've been pretty up front about the fact that I don't agree with it, I may have even been the first one here to say as much.
BTW, whatever happened to Ohio State homer @garnettstyle who's been absent for a while now??
You're correct, I should have said Cool Stanley.
What you say Cool?
When did two sec teams have one loss between two teams? The committee had no choice. Every other team had at least two losses and no TWO LOSS team HAS EVER landed in the top four. So I see no argument here other then the sec homies crying.
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You once said only conference champions should go.
Good luck with Georgia.
I think Brick used that same line earlier... it was funny then and it is today even if modified.
In all seriousness... Ohio State is the team with the chip on their shoulder. I have this feeling this game with Georgia will be one of the better games. I thought a KState-Utah match up would be the the best- did not get scheduled. Instead, Alabama and Penn State may have much more in store than they anticipated.
We have read about conference match ups. And there are some interesting match ups between the SEC and Big Ten. The Mike Leach Mississippi State offense against the Illinois pass defense just might be part of the real test. That seems to be the best and most even match up between the two conferences in this Bowl Season.
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@coinkat said: Ohio State is the team with the chip on their shoulder.
Ohio State should be careful or Georgia will take the chip and beat them to death with it!! Though it may be possible to rack up yards against the Bulldogs and maybe even some points they present a formidable challenge for the Buckeyes defense.
Agreed... not trying to overstate the case for the Buckeyes other than to write it could be a better game than an anticipated.
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Bowl games start in 7 days, next Friday morning.
Five games I want to see:
1. Ga vs OSU
2. Michigan vs TCU
3. Utah vs PSU
4. S, Carolina vs N. Dame
5. Bama vs KSU
IF Bryce and Anderson opt out because of the NFL draft Bama will get thumped.
OSU has a chance of beating Georgia. I think they are even in all positions except for te, lb and safety. They seem a step behind good offenses, Bama (2020) and the last two Michigan games, jmo. I just wish they weren't playing in the ATL...it's not fair.
PSU VS Utes, man, that should be a rock 'em sock 'em game.
I'll be pulling for OSU and Michigan, then Michigan....and I'm serious.
GA, has gotten too big for their britches, somebody needs to spank 'em.
Not looking forward to Penn State-Utah. The others mentioned by Bull should keep me awake
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They really went all out orange with the orange bowl this year with two orange teams.
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57 points in the 4 qtr of a quarterfinal game - crazy!
Kinda like the transfer portal for coaches always has been, now the players can have opportunities too. This is a good thing for the players.
Shouldn't matter, in a 4 team playoff, you take 4 conference champions. Period. 12 team playoff will solve the issue at least to some extent.