The UNOFFICIAL 2021-S Proof Silver Eagle thread

jmlanzaf

Why was the focus on the W (350,000 mintage) rather than the Type 2 S (200,000 mintage)?

jwitten

Because it came out first? I imagine as we get closer to the S, the conversation will grow.

MsMorrisine

it was what was next.

the S ... sell through in 10 minutes?

Onastone

Agreed it will be a sellout, how fast?? Under ten minutes.

jmlanzaf

@jwitten said:
Because it came out first? I imagine as we get closer to the S, the conversation will grow.

@MsMorrisine said:
it was what was next.

the S ... sell through in 10 minutes?

@Onastone said:
Agreed it will be a sellout, how fast?? Under ten minutes.

Yes, of course. 200,000 is still too many for the long haul. It is however getting closer to the cash zone: under 150,000 mintage.

Both the W and the S have unlimited total mintage. I wonder if they will be appearing in the LE set or some other product.

This year has to be a record for ASE types and labels.

Jzyskowski1

I may have caught a break on this one. I have it as my first enrollment and got the email check in the other day. I monitored ricko and a couple others who did enrollment on the W proof ase and posted results. They seem happy so 🤞🏽🤓give it a try. Now for the peace dollar hang on😈

BAJJERFAN

@Onastone said:
Agreed it will be a sellout, how fast?? Under ten minutes.

Any idea what the big buyers are planning to pay?

Mgarmy

HHL of 3 I think. Enrollment of 3 for me

Jzyskowski1

JM was offering $150 for the Morgan D and or S
Also good point about limited edition they do say W&S it has to be the ase’s 2type 1’s and 2 type 2. No 1&1 but good point 🤓

Onastone

Oh crap, I'm on the UNOFFICIAL thread. @jmlanzaf what have you done??

(I'm actually surprised nobody has said anything about this yet!!!! lol)

ricko

I will not get into the rush for this one.... I got the W (now in hand) and it is lovely. Cheers, RickO

rip_f

@jmlanzaf said:

This year has to be a record for ASE types and labels.

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I think labels shouldn't count. They're just marketing gimmicks.

But as to design, mint mark, and finish, I count 8 uniquely different ASEs this year. That beats out the 6 different ASEs in 2019, for a new record.

But the all time record is still the 2014 Kennedy half with 10 different!

Mgarmy

I think there are 100k or so less than the W amd there was a rush of the W so thinking the same thing here. In for three hoping one will be a 70

joeykoins

Good Thread and topic.
However, haven't found myself buying into this thus far. Maybe down the line sometime?

MetroD

@rip_f said:
I think labels shouldn't count. They're just marketing gimmicks.

But as to design, mint mark, and finish, I count 8 uniquely different ASEs this year. That beats out the 6 different ASEs in 2019, for a new record.

But the all time record is still the 2014 Kennedy half with 10 different!

A forum generated list, which includes label distinctions, can be found at:
https://forums.collectors.com/discussion/1060709/list-of-the-many-2021-ase-and-age-releases

JimTyler

“Unofficial” ? You can’t take the pressure either.

TheRaven

I do not understand the reason the mint is making these coins so limited. Silly really.

Mgarmy

Creating scarcity in the market. I completed the type 1 set and am on the fence for type two but until I make a call am following like a lemming

jmlanzaf

@TheRaven said:
I do not understand the reason the mint is making these coins so limited. Silly really.

Because you sell more that way.

smuglr

@rip_f said

But the all time record is still the 2014 Kennedy half with 10 different!

@smuglr said

Actually 12 different for the 2014 Kennedy half plus gold version if you include it.

smuglr

@jmlanzaf said:
Why was the focus on the W (350,000 mintage) rather than the Type 2 S (200,000 mintage)?

Hmmm that is the point I made on The Official TYPE 2 American Eagle 2021 One Ounce Silver Proof Coin thread (July 21 page 2) that instead of reading and agreeing you continued to argue and tear apart lol.

jmlanzaf

@smuglr said:

@jmlanzaf said:
Why was the focus on the W (350,000 mintage) rather than the Type 2 S (200,000 mintage)?

Hmmm that is the point I made on The Official TYPE 2 American Eagle 2021 One Ounce Silver Proof Coin thread (July 21 page 2) that instead of reading and agreeing you continued to argue and tear apart lol.

Not me. I simply don't believe in any of these long term. The 2019 sold 149,000. The 2020 sold 191,000. Suddenly a "limited mintage" of 350,000 sells out in 15 minutes. You do the math.

200,000 is still more than they sold the last 2 years.

smuglr

@jmlanzaf said:

@smuglr said:

@jmlanzaf said:
Why was the focus on the W (350,000 mintage) rather than the Type 2 S (200,000 mintage)?

Hmmm that is the point I made on The Official TYPE 2 American Eagle 2021 One Ounce Silver Proof Coin thread (July 21 page 2) that instead of reading and agreeing you continued to argue and tear apart lol.

Not me. I simply don't believe in any of these long term. The 2019 sold 149,000. The 2020 sold 191,000. Suddenly a "limited mintage" of 350,000 sells out in 15 minutes. You do the math.

200,000 is still more than they sold the last 2 years.

The 2019 was just under 200,000 (50,000 were in the limited edition silver proof set) and the 2020 was over 200,000 (17,000 were in the 40 coin product).

Jzyskowski1

I moved the type 2 into a clamshell I had from 2019S ase enhanced that one with 29,000+ mintage. You would think that they would use a good product. It’s a clamshell and similar to the others but noticeably a darker shade of blue. The packaging holds a clamshell so the custom mint2021 sleeve fits





box fits

jmlanzaf

@smuglr said:

@jmlanzaf said:

@smuglr said:

@jmlanzaf said:
Why was the focus on the W (350,000 mintage) rather than the Type 2 S (200,000 mintage)?

Hmmm that is the point I made on The Official TYPE 2 American Eagle 2021 One Ounce Silver Proof Coin thread (July 21 page 2) that instead of reading and agreeing you continued to argue and tear apart lol.

Not me. I simply don't believe in any of these long term. The 2019 sold 149,000. The 2020 sold 191,000. Suddenly a "limited mintage" of 350,000 sells out in 15 minutes. You do the math.

200,000 is still more than they sold the last 2 years.

The 2019 was just under 200,000 (50,000 were in the limited edthe Lition silver proof set) and the 2020 was over 200,000 (17,000 were in the 40 coin product).

Sure. And then add the LE sets this year. The point remains. People are scrambling to acquire multiple ASEs this year, all of whom have higher mintages than recent years.

Jzyskowski1

I got this today about the enrollment 🤓

Joe_360

@jmlanzaf said:
Why was the focus on the W (350,000 mintage) rather than the Type 2 S (200,000 mintage)?

Because having both will make a better combined Flip...

jmlanzaf

@Joe_360 said:

@jmlanzaf said:
Why was the focus on the W (350,000 mintage) rather than the Type 2 S (200,000 mintage)?

Because having both will make a better combined Flip...

LOL. If I want to do a combined flip, I think I need like 37 different types at this point.

WQuarterFreddie

@Joe_360 said:

@jmlanzaf said:
Why was the focus on the W (350,000 mintage) rather than the Type 2 S (200,000 mintage)?

Because having both will make a better combined Flip...

I think it is nothing more than the fact the W was available first. I guess technically it should be considered the first Type 2!

Jzyskowski1

@Joe_360 said:

@jmlanzaf said:
Why was the focus on the W (350,000 mintage) rather than the Type 2 S (200,000 mintage)?

Because having both will make a better combined Flip...

@Jzyskowski1 said:
I moved the type 2 into a clamshell I had from 2019S ase enhanced that one with 29,000+ mintage. You would think that they would use a good product. It’s a clamshell and similar to the others but noticeably a darker shade of blue. The packaging holds a clamshell so the custom mint2021 sleeve fits





box fits

Joe_360

@jmlanzaf said:

@Joe_360 said:

@jmlanzaf said:
Why was the focus on the W (350,000 mintage) rather than the Type 2 S (200,000 mintage)?

Because having both will make a better combined Flip...

LOL. If I want to do a combined flip, I think I need like 37 different types at this point.

LOL, I was kind of just thinking the first W & S Type 2... But hey, 37 is better...

jmlanzaf

@Joe_360 said:

@jmlanzaf said:

@Joe_360 said:

@jmlanzaf said:
Why was the focus on the W (350,000 mintage) rather than the Type 2 S (200,000 mintage)?

Because having both will make a better combined Flip...

LOL. If I want to do a combined flip, I think I need like 37 different types at this point.

LOL, I was kind of just thinking the first W & S Type 2... But hey, 37 is better...

But what about the reverse proof? Is there one? And then you might have the LE coin.

And then there's the Type 1s.

Joe_360

@jmlanzaf said:

@Joe_360 said:

@jmlanzaf said:

@Joe_360 said:

@jmlanzaf said:
Why was the focus on the W (350,000 mintage) rather than the Type 2 S (200,000 mintage)?

Because having both will make a better combined Flip...

LOL. If I want to do a combined flip, I think I need like 37 different types at this point.

LOL, I was kind of just thinking the first W & S Type 2... But hey, 37 is better...

But what about the reverse proof? Is there one? And then you might have the LE coin.

And then there's the Type 1s.

The reverse proof and LE are already in a set. The Type I's are irrelevant to the first released 2021 W&S Type II's

I am sure that there would be interest on eBay. Good debate, thanks...

jmlanzaf

@Joe_360 said:

@jmlanzaf said:

@Joe_360 said:

@jmlanzaf said:

@Joe_360 said:

@jmlanzaf said:
Why was the focus on the W (350,000 mintage) rather than the Type 2 S (200,000 mintage)?

Because having both will make a better combined Flip...

LOL. If I want to do a combined flip, I think I need like 37 different types at this point.

LOL, I was kind of just thinking the first W & S Type 2... But hey, 37 is better...

But what about the reverse proof? Is there one? And then you might have the LE coin.

And then there's the Type 1s.

The reverse proof and LE are already in a set. The Type I's are irrelevant to the first released 2021 W&S Type II's

I am sure that there would be interest on eBay. Good debate, thanks...

Not really debating. There's just so many of the damn things this year, I can barely keep track. LOL

Joe_360

@Jzyskowski1 said:

@Joe_360 said:

@jmlanzaf said:
Why was the focus on the W (350,000 mintage) rather than the Type 2 S (200,000 mintage)?

Because having both will make a better combined Flip...

@Jzyskowski1 said:
I moved the type 2 into a clamshell I had from 2019S ase enhanced that one with 29,000+ mintage. You would think that they would use a good product. It’s a clamshell and similar to the others but noticeably a darker shade of blue. The packaging holds a clamshell so the custom mint2021 sleeve fits





box fits

Good idea, thanks. I had one extra clam-shell from a previous graded Eagle purchase and did the same.

Jzyskowski1

Wow it’s really amazing how cheap and cheesy the ase age boxes are. Junk

jmlanzaf

Meh. I don't buy them for the boxes.

Jzyskowski1

Just thinking about pride in craftsmanship. I buy 1 and do kinda care about the packaging That’s ok right?

jmlanzaf

@Jzyskowski1 said:
Just thinking about pride in craftsmanship. I buy 1 and do kinda care about the packaging That’s ok right?

I didn't say it wasn't. I don't care about packaging. That's OK, right?

Jzyskowski1

Yes sir perhaps I place a little too much interest in what you say. I have nothing but ultimate respect for you and your opinion. Just took as dismissive of me your response. Again sorry

jmlanzaf

@Jzyskowski1 said:
Yes sir perhaps I place a little too much interest in what you say. I have nothing but ultimate respect for you and your opinion. Just took as dismissive of me your response. Again sorry

No need to apologize. Posts have no nuance. I'm sorry I came across as dismissive.

All my posts are strictly opinions. Embrace or dismiss them as you see fit.

Sometimes I wish there was no packaging. The packaging ends up taking up so much space.

CaptHenway

Not buying or selling anything, but I have no access to any price guides and I was curious what the 2021-W Proof Type 2 silvers were being traded at after all that hype.
Thx.

Jzyskowski1

Here’s some I’ve noticed them at $159

CaptHenway

Thank you.

cagcrisp

Someone has Egg on their Face…

This item is Scheduled to go on Sale in TWO DAYS…

21EMN 2021 AM EAGLE SILVER PROOF 1 OZ NEW (S) 13,986 +13,986

jmlanzaf

@cagcrisp said:
Someone has Egg on their Face…

This item is Scheduled to go on Sale in TWO DAYS…

21EMN 2021 AM EAGLE SILVER PROOF 1 OZ NEW (S) 13,986 +13,986

Dealer allotment probably. They had to pick them up in advance of release.

cagcrisp

@jmlanzaf said:

@cagcrisp said:
Someone has Egg on their Face…

This item is Scheduled to go on Sale in TWO DAYS…

21EMN 2021 AM EAGLE SILVER PROOF 1 OZ NEW (S) 13,986 +13,986

Dealer allotment probably. They had to pick them up in advance of release.

Agreed. It happens. Just Not Usually reported...

PipestonePete

I just received this email for my ASE order of 7/29. My order history shows it as "PROCESSING".

jskillz95

I received the same message this morning as well

WQuarterFreddie

@PipestonePete said:
I just received this email for my ASE order of 7/29. My order history shows it as "PROCESSING".

Did you use PayPal as payment? Maybe they tried to ship yesterday while the PayPal payment option was disabled from all accounts.

Did you call them yet to find out the issue? Please report back.

I am curious 🤔

Goldminers

@jmlanzaf said:
Why was the focus on the W (350,000 mintage) rather than the Type 2 S (200,000 mintage)?

There is an order limit of 3, a product limit of 200,000, but the mintage limit states: NONE, so I expect some 100,000 other "products" with this one.

Mintage rarity is fleeting when the rules can change.