Nice coins, I just ordered another ex Bowers token and should have it and be able to post it in a few days. This will be my 4th, all of them have awesome I appeal.
I also have a few finishing up grading, so I hope to add to this post over the next few weeks.
With one group of exceptions, Civil War Tokens are supposed to be dated from 1861 to 1864. The exceptions are the "Wealth of the South" tokens. These pieces were first issued in 1860 during the presidential election. They were re-issued frequently during and probably after the war. The series derives its name from this pro-Southern token, the "Wealth of rhe South" pieces, which cames in a few varieties. Many of the pieces that are available to collectors were restruck after 1860. I think that this one was made and used in 1860.
Here a couple of Lincoln "Wealth of the South" tokens. This first one is paired with the "President's House" reverse, which is most often seen.
This second one, which was made from a slightly different obverse, has the shield and slogan on the reverse. I think that this too was made and used in 1860. This is a rare piece.
Retired dealer and avid collector of U.S. type coins, 19th century presidential campaign medalets and selected medals. In recent years I have been working on a set of British coins - at least one coin from each king or queen who issued pieces that are collectible. I am also collecting at least one coin for each Roman emperor from Julius Caesar to ... ?
Excelsior Club civil war token, MA-115C-1e, "Good for a Scent" by Jos. H. Merriam. Ex. George Fuld, Steve Tanenbaum, QDB
The Boston directories listed 22 Elm St as the address of James W. Haley, a dealer in wines and liquor from 1861-1864. This token was most likely issued for his business. In that time frame, Merriam issued many storecards for businesses in that very neighborhood in Boston, among them Hess & Speidel's Apollo Gardens at 576 Washington St, C.F. Tuttle' s Restaurant also on Washington St., George Fera, a confectioner on Tremont St, as well as his own business, Merriam & Co, located at 18 and 19 Brattle Square.
This token was only struck in white metal, and this is the only known survivor after 150 years. It's been a long, hard road traveled over those years, but I do believe it's got character!
It is paired with Merriam's famous "Good for a Scent" reverse die.
Like so many other coins of the past, I'm left wondering of all the stories it could tell.
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Horace S. Ismon (1824-1904) came to Albion, Michigan with his family from their native New York in 1845. Horace soon settled in Jackson where he worked as a grocery clerk for two years. He then moved to Paw Paw with his brother Henry where they very successfully engaged in the grain and lumber business. They built the Paw Paw railroad and Horace was the company president.
Horace married Clara M. Barker of Brandon, Vermont there in Paw Paw in 1848. The couple had no children.
Horace and his wife returned to Jackson in 1848 and opened a dry goods store that they operated for 20 years. Having no children of their own, Ismon and his wife Clara, mentored youth interested in the mercantile
The Ismon building was erected in1853. The building still stands and is listed as a Michigan Historic Site. Although established in Jackson, he continued his Paw Paw ventures, engaging in the woolen trade, building a tannery and grist and saw mills, and financing the Paw Paw Railroad . He was a major wool trader across Michigan, and one particular year he purchased more than 1½ million pounds of fleece.
On April 1, 1870 he purchased land and platted the village of Hanover. At one time Horace had the largest income of anyone in Jackson County. With his profits he opened the Jackson County Bank in Jackson in 1872. It had a capital of $50,000, and Horace was president of that institution.. Horace S. Ismon died in Jackson in 1904 and is buried in Mt. Evergreen Cemetery next to his late wife.
The tokens Ismon utilized were manufactured in Chicago by Child’s Die Sinkers.
"A penny hit by lightning is worth six cents". Opie Taylor
Well, I can’t add a write up, because so far I am just into acquiring. Learning the history is for a later day when I have more free time. I was hoping to add more pics, but a few are not yet back from grading and another purchase was delayed.
I collect mainly patriotic cwt, with any occasional storecard thrown in. And hopefully a Sutler one day.
I thought this had one of the nicest obverse that I had seen, and the reverse(except for the single ding) is one of the sharpest strikes I’ve seen.
Someday I will learn to take better photos...within the next 2 weeks, collection will stand at about 27 patriotic tokens, and I will try to,post a pic of the family.
For the more experienced CWT collectors, I have 2 questions:
1) for the ex Bowers pieces that are in the special holder, as a general rule, do you find these to be quality pieces, Or was it also a marketing avenue, so while they maybe decent quality, not all are special. I ask this because a number of the pieces I either have or have seen are in the 64/65 range. I have noticed a few more 65/66 patriotic cwt,s floating around lately. Yes many are newer slabbed, but I think most would’ve been around when Bowers , Rosa and others were collecting. For me, almost all that I have acquired have nice eye appeal to me....but I admit I can judge I appeal much better than true grading with these. Also, maybe I am looking in the right places, but many of the slabbed Bowers pieces seem to be offered at fair prices versus many of the raw or newly slabbed pieces that people seem to be bidding up to what I would call high prices. Any thoughts are appreciated.
2) with lathe lines on the token shown above...is this equates to a good strike, an early strike, seen as a good thing on a token. I had seen a nice example of a common token that had this, and it was rated by the seller as very high grade...I dismissed it as I was unsure of why it had that look. I also have learned that some tokens may have file marks perhaps from the die...any insight or thoughts on how this impacts either a coins grade or desire ability?
For those considering collecting CWT’s, one of the reasons I find it fun is the affordability of the coins. Sometimes I buy slabbed coins, but many times I buy raw from a few select dealers. Below is a submission that just posted this week. All of these coins were bought raw, and I checked...I paid between $26-$58 for them. Some may ask why slab low dollar tokens, well for me, it’s how I am presenting the tokens, and also it helps me improve my grading/eye.
Happy with the grades, and the bottom two were top pop, although I am sure there are not a lot graded.
So It’s a way to have a fun hunt, for not too much money.
Once the coins return, I will try to post pics of them , plus some of my others.
@SimpleCollector
Those are some seriously nice grades for a raw submission of tokens. Hopefully you sprang for gold shield service that included True views
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Here is a Wealth of the South token this is a real stunner, formerly of the Bowers Reference Set and now a part of my special Box of 20: F-511/515b Wealth of the South Patriotic PCGS MS65
This thing really pops under the light!
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"Coin collecting for outcasts..."
I've always admired the design of that token and the first rate engraving. That's a stellar example. But, the "wealth of the South" wasn't the crops depicted on the reverse, it was the enslaved people who cultivated, harvested, and processed those crops for export. In 1860, there were 4 million enslaved people in the US, with a combined value of 3.5 billion dollars. They were worth more, in dollars, than all the railroads and industries in the US _combined. _In 1860, there were more slaveholder millionaires living in the lower Mississippi valley than anywhere else in the country.
A more accurate depiction of the "wealth of the South" might be this HTT:
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Worry is the interest you pay on a debt you may not owe.
"Paper money eventually returns to its intrinsic value---zero."----Voltaire
"Everything you say should be true, but not everything true should be said."----Voltaire
@SimpleCollector said:
Love that token and the Bowers reference pedigree. Congratulations....not many people can own that token, especially one so nice.
Thank you! This was in the enormous collection of George Fuld as well and annotated on the label as such
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"Coin collecting for outcasts..."
1863 Matthews Soda Water.NY-630-AV-1a R4 . Charles Müller, a medalist, cut the dies for a medal issued by John Matthews, maker of soda fountains, a piece which has been adopted as a “Civil War token,” although it is oversize by a large margin and never was intended as a monetary substitute.
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Here is one of my recently graded tokens...I really like everything about this coin, strike, color , luster. Although I usually collect patriotic tokens, I make exceptions for NY / New England storecards occasionally.
With one small group of exceptions, all Civil War tokens are supposed to be dated from 1861 to 1864. The war started in 1861 and Congress outlawed the use of privately issued tokens as substitutes for money in 1864.
The exceptions are the "Wealth of the South" series of tokens that Benjamin True introduced in the summer of 1860. Later John Stanton acquired the True dies and made many muleings with them, some of them nonsensical. For example combining an Abraham Lincoln die with a pro-southern variety makes no sense.
Here are examples of the four 1860 presidential candidates:
Abraham Lincoln
Stephen Douglas
John Bell
John Breckenridge
All of these pieces range from scarce to rare. They are most often seen with the "president's house" reverse. The varieties with the slogans and the shield are much scarcer.
Retired dealer and avid collector of U.S. type coins, 19th century presidential campaign medalets and selected medals. In recent years I have been working on a set of British coins - at least one coin from each king or queen who issued pieces that are collectible. I am also collecting at least one coin for each Roman emperor from Julius Caesar to ... ?
F-630AMa-1b Brass PE H & M Kayser & Co. NY, PCGS MS64 ex. Q. David Bowers
Here is a great example of a rare Civil War token from NY that currently resides in my Box of 20, having once graced the important collections of Richard Rossa and Q. David Bowers. I've always admired the slogan "No North, No South, One Flag, One Union." It sums up nicely the call to preserve the country leading up to the American Civil War.
This piece is obviously from the same hand that brought us the famous Strasburger & Nuhn token, also in my collection:
Dead Cat Waltz Exonumia
"Coin collecting for outcasts..."
Trying to keep this thread alive, and unfortunately usually skewing it back in the more simple and common token direction...just picked up this token...sellers pics....
Why? I had already been watching this token as it caught my attention...As I was looking at ebay and also searching cwt information, I found an article that described 10 patriotic cwt designs that many should have in a collection...I had never seen that article , but actually think I had somehow already acquired 9 of the 10 that they listed... I also knew I had recently seen this other one at one of the dealers/sites I follow, and low in behold, when I found which one, the auction was within an hour of closing. Spent a little more than I think it was worth, but I liked the look and thought it would match the set. When the weather turns cold, I will eventually take group shot of the 10, plus maybe some of the others.
Continuing my Jackson, MI store card posts, here is the third of the three merchants from that town.
At the age of 35 Simon Holland came to Napoleon Township in Jackson County Michigan. Holland moved to the City of Jackson in 1857 and, with Robert F. Latimer, his oldest daughter’s (Mary) husband purchased the drug store operated by H.G. Bliss. Robert Latimer left the partnership with his father-in-law in 1862 for another partnership in another drug store.
Simon brought his son James M. into the business forming S. Holland and Son that year. “The Best of Goods” were promised to be available at the establishment of Simon Holland & Sons in Jackson Michigan in 1863. His store was located in the Empire Block at 213 Main Street.
It stayed that way until Simon Holland died in 1878 after almost 22 years in business, and his son James M. Holland continued to operate the business on his own. Simon Holland, who is buried in Napoleon's Oak Grove Cemetery, was a Deacon in the Baptist church since the age of 21 and was called "a fine, genial and honorable man" and a "well-respected citizen" in the 1811 De Land's History reference.
The two token designs Holland utilized were both manufactured in Chicago by S. D. Childs and Company. One of those designs is shown here. Fuld ID MI525A-1a. This well circulated example is rated as a Rarity 7 (10 to 19 estimated to exist).
This period map of Jackson shows the locations of the three merchants that utilized store card tokens.
A newspaper illustration of the Empire Block buildings. Holland’s store is the second from the left.
"A penny hit by lightning is worth six cents". Opie Taylor
I received an email today that Stacks is having am auction titled
"The Tampa Collection of Civil War Tokens" Part 1. Wednesday, October 7, 2020
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Looking through it appears they have one coming for auction similar to min but don't see the difference.
Since its listed as Civil War Token. I will post mine.
. 1864 MA F-760A-8a S. TANENBAUM COLLECTION EX. LESLIE HEILBRONNER. NGC MS 65 RB The Liberty Cap motif is one of the favorite Bolen dies. The symbol has a rich numismatic history that has antecedents on circulating Mexican coinage and the 1836 March 23 Mint medal for the steam press launch, as well as a pattern gold dollar of that year, both by Christian Gobrecht. The surfaces are about 50% blazing mint red deepening to navy blue.
Provenance: From the Q. David Bowers Collection. Earlier ex J. Kuehnert; J. Harris; Steve Tanenbaum Collection.
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OH 165CY-38a. R5. PCGS MS-63 BN. Ex: Q. David Bowers
ANA-LM, CWTS-LM, NBS, TAMS, ANS
Nice coins, I just ordered another ex Bowers token and should have it and be able to post it in a few days. This will be my 4th, all of them have awesome I appeal.
I also have a few finishing up grading, so I hope to add to this post over the next few weeks.
With one group of exceptions, Civil War Tokens are supposed to be dated from 1861 to 1864. The exceptions are the "Wealth of the South" tokens. These pieces were first issued in 1860 during the presidential election. They were re-issued frequently during and probably after the war. The series derives its name from this pro-Southern token, the "Wealth of rhe South" pieces, which cames in a few varieties. Many of the pieces that are available to collectors were restruck after 1860. I think that this one was made and used in 1860.
Here a couple of Lincoln "Wealth of the South" tokens. This first one is paired with the "President's House" reverse, which is most often seen.
This second one, which was made from a slightly different obverse, has the shield and slogan on the reverse. I think that this too was made and used in 1860. This is a rare piece.
Excelsior Club civil war token, MA-115C-1e, "Good for a Scent" by Jos. H. Merriam. Ex. George Fuld, Steve Tanenbaum, QDB
The Boston directories listed 22 Elm St as the address of James W. Haley, a dealer in wines and liquor from 1861-1864. This token was most likely issued for his business. In that time frame, Merriam issued many storecards for businesses in that very neighborhood in Boston, among them Hess & Speidel's Apollo Gardens at 576 Washington St, C.F. Tuttle' s Restaurant also on Washington St., George Fera, a confectioner on Tremont St, as well as his own business, Merriam & Co, located at 18 and 19 Brattle Square.
This token was only struck in white metal, and this is the only known survivor after 150 years. It's been a long, hard road traveled over those years, but I do believe it's got character!
It is paired with Merriam's famous "Good for a Scent" reverse die.
Like so many other coins of the past, I'm left wondering of all the stories it could tell.
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"Coin collecting for outcasts..."
very nice !!!
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Another very interesting token. Thanks DCW.
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Another store card from my Michigan collection.
Horace S. Ismon (1824-1904) came to Albion, Michigan with his family from their native New York in 1845. Horace soon settled in Jackson where he worked as a grocery clerk for two years. He then moved to Paw Paw with his brother Henry where they very successfully engaged in the grain and lumber business. They built the Paw Paw railroad and Horace was the company president.
Horace married Clara M. Barker of Brandon, Vermont there in Paw Paw in 1848. The couple had no children.
Horace and his wife returned to Jackson in 1848 and opened a dry goods store that they operated for 20 years. Having no children of their own, Ismon and his wife Clara, mentored youth interested in the mercantile
The Ismon building was erected in1853. The building still stands and is listed as a Michigan Historic Site. Although established in Jackson, he continued his Paw Paw ventures, engaging in the woolen trade, building a tannery and grist and saw mills, and financing the Paw Paw Railroad . He was a major wool trader across Michigan, and one particular year he purchased more than 1½ million pounds of fleece.
On April 1, 1870 he purchased land and platted the village of Hanover. At one time Horace had the largest income of anyone in Jackson County. With his profits he opened the Jackson County Bank in Jackson in 1872. It had a capital of $50,000, and Horace was president of that institution.. Horace S. Ismon died in Jackson in 1904 and is buried in Mt. Evergreen Cemetery next to his late wife.
The tokens Ismon utilized were manufactured in Chicago by Child’s Die Sinkers.
"A penny hit by lightning is worth six cents". Opie Taylor
@PennyGuy
Great write up! Don't you just love the way these little discs can reveal an entire storyline?
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"Coin collecting for outcasts..."
How very true. I’ve spent a number of cold winter days in our local Library Reference Room reading newspapers from the Civil War years.
"A penny hit by lightning is worth six cents". Opie Taylor
Well, I can’t add a write up, because so far I am just into acquiring. Learning the history is for a later day when I have more free time. I was hoping to add more pics, but a few are not yet back from grading and another purchase was delayed.
I collect mainly patriotic cwt, with any occasional storecard thrown in. And hopefully a Sutler one day.
I thought this had one of the nicest obverse that I had seen, and the reverse(except for the single ding) is one of the sharpest strikes I’ve seen.
Someday I will learn to take better photos...within the next 2 weeks, collection will stand at about 27 patriotic tokens, and I will try to,post a pic of the family.
Pittsburgh, PA F-765V-4a Copper PE Civil War Token PCGS MS65BN, ex. Q. David Bowers.
Said to be R6.
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I just missed seeing this before it sold. I love the brightness and lathe lines on this.
This is a Rich Rossa piece..
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I didn’t see this one come up for auction. Was it at Stacks?
Maybe it was a good thing I didn’t see it......I would have gone for it
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CoinsAreFun Toned Silver Eagle Proof Album
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Gallery Mint Museum, Ron Landis& Joe Rust, The beginnings of the Golden Dollar
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More CoinsAreFun Pictorials NGC
For the more experienced CWT collectors, I have 2 questions:
1) for the ex Bowers pieces that are in the special holder, as a general rule, do you find these to be quality pieces, Or was it also a marketing avenue, so while they maybe decent quality, not all are special. I ask this because a number of the pieces I either have or have seen are in the 64/65 range. I have noticed a few more 65/66 patriotic cwt,s floating around lately. Yes many are newer slabbed, but I think most would’ve been around when Bowers , Rosa and others were collecting. For me, almost all that I have acquired have nice eye appeal to me....but I admit I can judge I appeal much better than true grading with these. Also, maybe I am looking in the right places, but many of the slabbed Bowers pieces seem to be offered at fair prices versus many of the raw or newly slabbed pieces that people seem to be bidding up to what I would call high prices. Any thoughts are appreciated.
2) with lathe lines on the token shown above...is this equates to a good strike, an early strike, seen as a good thing on a token. I had seen a nice example of a common token that had this, and it was rated by the seller as very high grade...I dismissed it as I was unsure of why it had that look. I also have learned that some tokens may have file marks perhaps from the die...any insight or thoughts on how this impacts either a coins grade or desire ability?
Still trying to learn...thanks
Here is the newest token
Very nice, thanks. Love the way they spelled cigars. Old Pennsylvania speak I think.
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Yeah....lol
It must have continued into the 1960’s (accent) of cigars cause my dad alway said “see gars”
Not jokingly either.....lol
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CoinsAreFun Toned Silver Eagle Proof Album
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Gallery Mint Museum, Ron Landis& Joe Rust, The beginnings of the Golden Dollar
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More CoinsAreFun Pictorials NGC
For those considering collecting CWT’s, one of the reasons I find it fun is the affordability of the coins. Sometimes I buy slabbed coins, but many times I buy raw from a few select dealers. Below is a submission that just posted this week. All of these coins were bought raw, and I checked...I paid between $26-$58 for them. Some may ask why slab low dollar tokens, well for me, it’s how I am presenting the tokens, and also it helps me improve my grading/eye.
Happy with the grades, and the bottom two were top pop, although I am sure there are not a lot graded.
So It’s a way to have a fun hunt, for not too much money.
Once the coins return, I will try to post pics of them , plus some of my others.
@SimpleCollector
Those are some seriously nice grades for a raw submission of tokens. Hopefully you sprang for gold shield service that included True views
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"Coin collecting for outcasts..."
Here is a Wealth of the South token this is a real stunner, formerly of the Bowers Reference Set and now a part of my special Box of 20:
F-511/515b Wealth of the South Patriotic PCGS MS65
This thing really pops under the light!
Dead Cat Waltz Exonumia
"Coin collecting for outcasts..."
Love that token and the Bowers reference pedigree. Congratulations....not many people can own that token, especially one so nice.
I've always admired the design of that token and the first rate engraving. That's a stellar example. But, the "wealth of the South" wasn't the crops depicted on the reverse, it was the enslaved people who cultivated, harvested, and processed those crops for export. In 1860, there were 4 million enslaved people in the US, with a combined value of 3.5 billion dollars. They were worth more, in dollars, than all the railroads and industries in the US _combined. _In 1860, there were more slaveholder millionaires living in the lower Mississippi valley than anywhere else in the country.
A more accurate depiction of the "wealth of the South" might be this HTT:
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@kaz Thanks for the history lesson.
Worry is the interest you pay on a debt you may not owe.
"Paper money eventually returns to its intrinsic value---zero."----Voltaire
"Everything you say should be true, but not everything true should be said."----Voltaire
Thank you! This was in the enormous collection of George Fuld as well and annotated on the label as such
Dead Cat Waltz Exonumia
"Coin collecting for outcasts..."
1863 Matthews Soda Water.NY-630-AV-1a R4 . Charles Müller, a medalist, cut the dies for a medal issued by John Matthews, maker of soda fountains, a piece which has been adopted as a “Civil War token,” although it is oversize by a large margin and never was intended as a monetary substitute.
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CoinsAreFun Toned Silver Eagle Proof Album
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Gallery Mint Museum, Ron Landis& Joe Rust, The beginnings of the Golden Dollar
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More CoinsAreFun Pictorials NGC
Here is one of my recently graded tokens...I really like everything about this coin, strike, color , luster. Although I usually collect patriotic tokens, I make exceptions for NY / New England storecards occasionally.
Just noticed, my most recent patriotic cwt had a very similar reverse, different maker, but similar
Very similiar @SimpleCollector . That one is from NY diesinker, Emil Sigel.
Nice tokens everyone. And great to see the continued additions.
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"Coin collecting for outcasts..."
With one small group of exceptions, all Civil War tokens are supposed to be dated from 1861 to 1864. The war started in 1861 and Congress outlawed the use of privately issued tokens as substitutes for money in 1864.
The exceptions are the "Wealth of the South" series of tokens that Benjamin True introduced in the summer of 1860. Later John Stanton acquired the True dies and made many muleings with them, some of them nonsensical. For example combining an Abraham Lincoln die with a pro-southern variety makes no sense.
Here are examples of the four 1860 presidential candidates:
Abraham Lincoln
Stephen Douglas
John Bell
John Breckenridge
All of these pieces range from scarce to rare. They are most often seen with the "president's house" reverse. The varieties with the slogans and the shield are much scarcer.
F-630AMa-1b Brass PE H & M Kayser & Co. NY, PCGS MS64 ex. Q. David Bowers
Here is a great example of a rare Civil War token from NY that currently resides in my Box of 20, having once graced the important collections of Richard Rossa and Q. David Bowers. I've always admired the slogan "No North, No South, One Flag, One Union." It sums up nicely the call to preserve the country leading up to the American Civil War.
This piece is obviously from the same hand that brought us the famous Strasburger & Nuhn token, also in my collection:
Dead Cat Waltz Exonumia
"Coin collecting for outcasts..."
@DCW awesome !!
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Trying to keep this thread alive, and unfortunately usually skewing it back in the more simple and common token direction...just picked up this token...sellers pics....
Why? I had already been watching this token as it caught my attention...As I was looking at ebay and also searching cwt information, I found an article that described 10 patriotic cwt designs that many should have in a collection...I had never seen that article , but actually think I had somehow already acquired 9 of the 10 that they listed... I also knew I had recently seen this other one at one of the dealers/sites I follow, and low in behold, when I found which one, the auction was within an hour of closing. Spent a little more than I think it was worth, but I liked the look and thought it would match the set. When the weather turns cold, I will eventually take group shot of the 10, plus maybe some of the others.
Lets keep this thread going! Two recent Indiana purchases:
ANA-LM, CWTS-LM, NBS, TAMS, ANS
Continuing my Jackson, MI store card posts, here is the third of the three merchants from that town.
At the age of 35 Simon Holland came to Napoleon Township in Jackson County Michigan. Holland moved to the City of Jackson in 1857 and, with Robert F. Latimer, his oldest daughter’s (Mary) husband purchased the drug store operated by H.G. Bliss. Robert Latimer left the partnership with his father-in-law in 1862 for another partnership in another drug store.
Simon brought his son James M. into the business forming S. Holland and Son that year. “The Best of Goods” were promised to be available at the establishment of Simon Holland & Sons in Jackson Michigan in 1863. His store was located in the Empire Block at 213 Main Street.
It stayed that way until Simon Holland died in 1878 after almost 22 years in business, and his son James M. Holland continued to operate the business on his own. Simon Holland, who is buried in Napoleon's Oak Grove Cemetery, was a Deacon in the Baptist church since the age of 21 and was called "a fine, genial and honorable man" and a "well-respected citizen" in the 1811 De Land's History reference.
The two token designs Holland utilized were both manufactured in Chicago by S. D. Childs and Company. One of those designs is shown here. Fuld ID MI525A-1a. This well circulated example is rated as a Rarity 7 (10 to 19 estimated to exist).
This period map of Jackson shows the locations of the three merchants that utilized store card tokens.
A newspaper illustration of the Empire Block buildings. Holland’s store is the second from the left.
"A penny hit by lightning is worth six cents". Opie Taylor
I received an email today that Stacks is having am auction titled
"The Tampa Collection of Civil War Tokens" Part 1. Wednesday, October 7, 2020
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Looking through it appears they have one coming for auction similar to min but don't see the difference.
Since its listed as Civil War Token. I will post mine.
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1864 MA F-760A-8a S. TANENBAUM COLLECTION EX. LESLIE HEILBRONNER. NGC MS 65 RB
The Liberty Cap motif is one of the favorite Bolen dies. The symbol has a rich numismatic history that has antecedents on circulating Mexican coinage and the 1836 March 23 Mint medal for the steam press launch, as well as a pattern gold dollar of that year, both by Christian Gobrecht. The surfaces are about 50% blazing mint red deepening to navy blue.
Provenance: From the Q. David Bowers Collection. Earlier ex J. Kuehnert; J. Harris; Steve Tanenbaum Collection.
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I assume this was ngc? I did a quick search and only found
a F-233/312 F at ngc and they state it’s silver.
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I collect only a few cwt’s and collect more htt’s and merchant tokens.
I’ve come to the conclusion that many companies get it wrong often.
Even on scd’s & Conder Tokens they get mist attributed.
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Not to say the one you looked at is wrong, just saying
Value wise......depends on rarity. How many were found or made in German silver?
Could be double or more. Also depends on how popular the design is. As you said,
Army Navy 233/312 is a common one. I don’t think you will find a definitive answer
other than what someone is willing to pay.
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Great thread!
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@coinsarefun ...host certified with a j... hence part of the problem...there is virtually no record I can find of this token in this material... I have seen some other white metal or sliver tokens of common variety go for 1.5-2x copper tokens, but also seen some go 10x...
So while it seems rare and legit, that does not necessarily translate to desirable and valuable... if it was sub $200, I would just buy it and show it here.... as it’s not, I am trying to determine if this is a random occurrence once in a lifetime token and cool story that I should jump on, or if it is a boat anchor or albatross waiting to happen.
@SimpleCollector The patriotic book does not list that combination (233/312) in German silver. However, it is known in silver as a rarity-9 (2-4 known). As coinsarefun said it could possibly be an error by the grading service. With regards to your questions, the majority of off metal CWT are numismatic strikes meaning that they were made during the Civil War for sale to contemporary collectors. Off metal strikes are popular but some enthusiasts don’t like them as they were made for sale to collectors and not made for use. I hope this helps.
ANA-LM, CWTS-LM, NBS, TAMS, ANS
@SimpleCollector if your looking for a definitive price on something that has not been known before
It will be almost impossible. As I said before the value will be whatever you feel comfortable paying.
Who knows what the next guy you sell it to will pay.
The only true way to find out is in a major auction. And even that is not a guarantee it will sell again
at that price. I do own a few off metal tokens but they are very popular designs with collectors,
so I felt comfortable stepping up in the price. This will ultimately be your decision
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@coinsarefun and @CWT1863 , thank you for your input...It has helped me at least think about this potential acquisition a little more clearly. It seems that while perhaps unique and rare, the audience for a token like this would be much smaller than cwt’s in general , and that the pricing would be highly subject to (if a few specific collectors might be interested in it at the time I sell). Thus in my view not being very liquid.
So while interesting, it is not something that I would now feel comfortable stretching for...Instead I may see if it sits in the LCS inventory for a bit, then potentially of 2x maybe 3x the price of a regular copper/bronze version, but not willing to offer more than that.
Thanks again for the thoughts and insight.
Recently acquired patriotic token. Not overly special, but a variety that I was looking for and the eye appeal/price seemed fair.
C.F. Tuttle’s Restaurant, F-115G-1a PCGS MS66RB, ex. QDB
Like so many fantastic, eye appealing Civil War tokens, this one resided in Dave Bowers' personal set. A beauty!
These tokens for Tuttle's restaurant were issued by Joseph H. Merriam. He employed modular dies so that the reverse denomination could be changed. 5, 10, 25, 50.
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That is a very nice token. Very nice. Thanks for posting it.
F.B. Orr/ The Washington Token struck over an 1853 With Arrows Seated Liberty Dime PCGS MS63ex. Bowers
Here is a nice example of a Civil War Token struck over a dime. The details are quite bold in hand. CWT overstrikes on cents are rare, but finding one on a dime is many times rarer.
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So, just figured I would highlight a downside to threads like this and the great info on this forum.
You can begin to truly appreciate rarity and quality, but either lack the funds or commitment to take the full plunge.
I had reviewed an online auction tonight, trying to be more selective for CWT patriotic, and narrowed it down to 4 lots. Was hoping that one may go cheaper than expected, but with lots of time still to go, the lots already are in the $600-1800 range with 20+ followers. Was expecting some, in the 1000-1500 range, but when tokens get higher than that, my commitment wanes and the generic gold type set which needs a no motto $10 eagle and type 1 double eagle wins out.
So if you’re bidding, good luck. Hope to see some nice pics.
Sounds like you are an informed collector @SimpleCollector !
Very wise. It can be beautiful, rare and high grade but if it goes beyond my comfort zone
I’m more than happy to bow out. I watched and seriously bid on at least 5 or 6 tokens but
they exceeded my comfort zone.
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@DCW that C.F. Tuttle’s Restaurant token ROCKS!
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I still haven’t found out if these are still in or out of the CWT’s since I have a new silver
one I guess I’ll post it again in this thread.
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I need to send this back in and have them change ‘Levick’s” to LEVICK
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