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  • StoogeStooge Posts: 4,668 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @Khayman said:
    $500k easy, and that’s without juice. I just hope a billionaire other than Hansen gets it.

    Do you collect proof Roosies?


    Later, Paul.
  • TetromibiTetromibi Posts: 947 ✭✭✭✭✭

    What's the story on those? Where did they come from, and why do they exist?

  • StoogeStooge Posts: 4,668 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @Tetromibi said:
    What's the story on those? Where did they come from, and why do they exist?

    Until 1996, all U.S. coinage dies were produced at the Philadelphia Mint. The dies were then shipped to the various branch mints as needed, complete with the appropriate mint mark. Proof coins were struck at the San Francisco Mint in 1975 and all 2,845,450 proof 1975 dimes should have featured the S mintmark. However, the San Francisco Mint also struck 71,991,900 business-strike dimes with no mintmark that year, to help the Philadelphia Mint provide the 585,673,900 coins needed for circulation. There is no way to differentiate the business-strike coins that were struck at San Francisco from those struck at Philadelphia, since they were all struck from dies without a mintmark. According to an excellent article by Bill Gibbs in the September 1, 2011 edition of Coin World, while all the dies were manufactured in Philadelphia, the proof dies were actually polished to impart the proof finish in San Francisco. It seems that one of the dies with no mintmark, intended for business-strike production, was accidentally polished up, along with the proof dies, and used to strike a small run of proof dimes before the mistake was noticed. The San Francisco Mint has been tight-lipped on this subject, but quality control must have been excellent that year, as it seems that only two NO S dimes escaped detection and were released with the regular proof sets. Any other NO S dimes that were struck must have been detected and destroyed before leaving the Mint.


    Later, Paul.
  • DIMEMANDIMEMAN Posts: 22,403 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @Khayman said:
    $500k easy, and that’s without juice. I just hope a billionaire other than Hansen gets it.

    If Hanson wants it....he will get it. Anyone who will pay 370K for a 38-S Dime doesn't care about money at all!

  • onlyroosiesonlyroosies Posts: 3,298 ✭✭✭✭

    I'm sure Hansen and or his agent puts a value on these. DL has passed on several Roosies including pop 1/0 and pop 2/0. We're talking about coins where $1000 more would have bought the coin. I believe in Hansen's mind all Roosies are considered Modern and the odds are very high more top pops will be made. in the case of the 75 no-S more could be discovered. what is the value of the 1958 Lincoln double die. That coin was a pop 2 for Years. Now pop 3. Is that a re-grade coin or a newly discovered one.

    I sure hope the 75 no S dime exceeds $500K but I have my doubts. I would be at the $200K level myself. The risk is just to high that another could be discovered. I could see the coin reaching $350K but again I have my doubts it will. I would love to see a mega rare Roosie cross the block north of $500K.

    Just my 10c worth
    Onlyroosies

  • ilikemonstersilikemonsters Posts: 767 ✭✭✭✭

    @onlyroosies said:
    I'm sure Hansen and or his agent puts a value on these. DL has passed on several Roosies including pop 1/0 and pop 2/0. We're talking about coins where $1000 more would have bought the coin. I believe in Hansen's mind all Roosies are considered Modern and the odds are very high more top pops will be made. in the case of the 75 no-S more could be discovered. what is the value of the 1958 Lincoln double die. That coin was a pop 2 for Years. Now pop 3. Is that a re-grade coin or a newly discovered one.

    I sure hope the 75 no S dime exceeds $500K but I have my doubts. I would be at the $200K level myself. The risk is just to high that another could be discovered. I could see the coin reaching $350K but again I have my doubts it will. I would love to see a mega rare Roosie cross the block north of $500K.

    Just my 10c worth
    Onlyroosies

    I think the coin will not sell for a dollar over $250,000. That's my prediction.
    You really don't know what's out there. We didn't know about Danny's 1300 dime hoard.
    What if someone is sitting on five 1975-NO S Dimes? Bad news for whoever wins the coin.
    This coin is a MAJOR MAJOR Risk no matter how you look at it.

    Hansen will more than likely go for the coin. If he wins, he would be the first person in history to complete a 1964-Date Proof Set. This is the last coin he needs.

    I sure do hope a member of the Roosie gang goes for the 75/S, but it's the most expensive Roosie known to exist at the moment... Or is it? I haven't shown anybody my 1964-NO S Proof Roosevelt yet!

  • StoogeStooge Posts: 4,668 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited July 29, 2019 6:33PM

    My take on the 1975-No-S is that PCGS says there are only 2 known. W/O digging up my Kevin Flynn Roosevelt book, I want to say that he mentions that 5 total specimens are known. Maybe someone can clarify that for me. It's a modern and with that it automatically opens up to "More could be found". I could buy an unopened box of (5) 1975 Proof sets from eBay and all 5 could be No-S, it's just a matter of faith and luck. I certainly wouldn't say BOO until after the auction was up.
    I know Dr. Brown had a thread on here some years ago asking if anyone knew where one was that he could buy. Does he know about this one yet, as he is hardly on here?
    With it being a modern, I still stand at $400K but would love to see it go through the roof. Because the dies were meant for Business Strike dimes, being a PR68 is a great grade. Doubt that one would grade Cam or DCam d/t this die issue.
    Not only that, it has some real nice toning to it.




    Later, Paul.
  • wondercoinwondercoin Posts: 16,953 ✭✭✭✭✭

    “Hansen will more than likely go for the coin. If he wins, he would be the first person in history to complete a 1964-Date Proof Set. This is the last coin he needs.”

    Nope. He is also missing the Unique 1976 No S Ike $1. That will be the only coin he is missing to finish that set.

    Wondercoin

    Please visit my website at www.wondercoins.com and my ebay auctions under my user name www.wondercoin.com.
  • CurrinCurrin Posts: 1,520 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @wondercoin said:
    “Hansen will more than likely go for the coin. If he wins, he would be the first person in history to complete a 1964-Date Proof Set. This is the last coin he needs.”

    Nope. He is also missing the Unique 1976 No S Ike $1. That will be the only coin he is missing to finish that set.

    Wondercoin

    Mitch. You are correct. I stated on Hansen watch that if he makes this purchase, he would be the first to complete the register set.

    I hear Hansen will never be able to purchase the Ike. Unless the owner’s son sells it to Hansen. 😉

    My 20th Century Type Set, With Type Variations---started : 9/22/1997 ---- completed : 1/7/2004

    My 20th Century Gold Major Design Type Set ---started : 11/17/1997 ---- completed : 1/21/2004
  • StoogeStooge Posts: 4,668 ✭✭✭✭✭

    They say “Everything has a price”. @wondercoin what’s ur price for your unique Ike?


    Later, Paul.
  • wondercoinwondercoin Posts: 16,953 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Stooge. For that, I would need to defer to “the brains of the operation” - Justin. 😉

    Wondercoin

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  • DIMEMANDIMEMAN Posts: 22,403 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @wondercoin said:
    Stooge. For that, I would need to defer to “the brains of the operation” - Justin. 😉

    Wondercoin

    When you say one of a kind.....you know that is one of a kind known at this time. There are more somewhere. ;)

  • StoogeStooge Posts: 4,668 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @DIMEMAN said:

    @wondercoin said:
    Stooge. For that, I would need to defer to “the brains of the operation” - Justin. 😉

    Wondercoin

    When you say one of a kind.....you know that is one of a kind known at this time. There are more somewhere. ;)

    If I were a betting man, which I am, I would say that the chances are better off in finding another ‘75-No-S before the No-S Ike. Probably by 10-1 odds.


    Later, Paul.
  • DIMEMANDIMEMAN Posts: 22,403 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @Stooge said:

    @DIMEMAN said:

    @wondercoin said:
    Stooge. For that, I would need to defer to “the brains of the operation” - Justin. 😉

    Wondercoin

    When you say one of a kind.....you know that is one of a kind known at this time. There are more somewhere. ;)

    If I were a betting man, which I am, I would say that the chances are better off in finding another ‘75-No-S before the No-S Ike. Probably by 10-1 odds.

    You could be right or wrong, but that is the problem with ANY modern rariety…..there can always be more!

  • StoogeStooge Posts: 4,668 ✭✭✭✭✭

    As of 08/06/19:

    MS67FB = 2,769
    MS67+FB = 512
    MS68FB = 139

    How many of these would you guess are crackouts attempting a higher grade?


    Later, Paul.
  • emeraldATVemeraldATV Posts: 4,642 ✭✭✭✭✭

    ;)

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  • DIMEMANDIMEMAN Posts: 22,403 ✭✭✭✭✭

    One of my latest Roosie buys.......

  • emeraldATVemeraldATV Posts: 4,642 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Just recived in change, a friend, for my noosey friend.
    But thats another... story...


    color has not been tampered with. No need to surfaces smooth.

  • onlyroosiesonlyroosies Posts: 3,298 ✭✭✭✭

    Beautiful 75

  • ilikemonstersilikemonsters Posts: 767 ✭✭✭✭

    The ANA officially starts next Tuesday. Will we see several silver MS68's be made?

    I've been waiting a year for the second 68+(FB) to be made. But so far the only one given this prestigious grade has been the 1947-S which @onlyroosies made.

    Am looking very forward to checking the pop report twenty times a day over the next week, as I'm sure Nick will be checking too!

  • DIMEMANDIMEMAN Posts: 22,403 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @ilikemonsters said:
    The ANA officially starts next Tuesday. Will we see several silver MS68's be made?

    I've been waiting a year for the second 68+(FB) to be made. But so far the only one given this prestigious grade has been the 1947-S which @onlyroosies made.

    Am looking very forward to checking the pop report twenty times a day over the next week, as I'm sure Nick will be checking too!

    How many 68's do you think are sitting in lock boxes that the owners don't even know about or care about?

  • DANNYDANNY Posts: 372 ✭✭✭

    I am hoping that I have had a few 68's sitting in my lock boxes for the past 15-20 years.
    I am not a grader, so I have no idea.
    However, Nick IS A GRADER OF ROOSIES, and he now has EVERYONE of my silver PCGS Roosies in his possession.
    Who knows what he might find......
    67+'s....68's.....68+'s..... the first PL Silver.....
    It is going to be quite an undertaking, but he is absolutely the man for the job.
    Danny

  • DIMEMANDIMEMAN Posts: 22,403 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @DANNY said:
    I am hoping that I have had a few 68's sitting in my lock boxes for the past 15-20 years.
    I am not a grader, so I have no idea.
    However, Nick IS A GRADER OF ROOSIES, and he now has EVERYONE of my silver PCGS Roosies in his possession.
    Who knows what he might find......
    67+'s....68's.....68+'s..... the first PL Silver.....
    It is going to be quite an undertaking, but he is absolutely the man for the job.
    Danny

    Looking forward to the results of this undertaking.

    On another note who all is going to ANA?

  • StoogeStooge Posts: 4,668 ✭✭✭✭✭

    It looks like there is no stopping Danny as he is about to overtake Dr. Brown and go into 3rd place on the basic 1946-1964 Roosie set. Danny is about 0.06 GPA away and 0.19 points via bonuses. This doesn't include what's to come when Nick gets done with his silvers.

    Simply amazing at how fast he's redone his set.


    Later, Paul.
  • onlyroosiesonlyroosies Posts: 3,298 ✭✭✭✭

    @Stooge said:
    It looks like there is no stopping Danny as he is about to overtake Dr. Brown and go into 3rd place on the basic 1946-1964 Roosie set. Danny is about 0.06 GPA away and 0.19 points via bonuses. This doesn't include what's to come when Nick gets done with his silvers.

    Simply amazing at how fast he's redone his set.

    This is nothing compared to how fast Danny built a complete Roosie Proof set lacking only the 75 no-S. And unlike his silvers and clads he had no proofs to start with. Check out his proof set

  • DANNYDANNY Posts: 372 ✭✭✭

    Thanks Paul and Nick for the "Pat-On-The-Back".
    I have been able to assemble a nice set of Roosies (silver/clad/proof/varieties) in such a short period of time (Feb.2019-present) because I have had a lot of help from my fellow Roosie collectors.
    I hope to be able to return the "help" after Nick has completed his examination of my silver Roosies.
    I sometimes stop and think back to February of this year (2019), and remember that I DID NOT TECHNICALLY OWN even ONE Full Band Roosevelt Dime,silver or clad. I had them in my possession, they just weren't labeled as such by PCGS.
    I also did not own even ONE Roosie VARIETY coin of any kind, and I did not own even ONE Roosie PROOF coin.
    Things sure have changed in the last 6 months.
    Regards,
    Danny

  • ilikemonstersilikemonsters Posts: 767 ✭✭✭✭

    I notice that a fourth 1957 67+FB has been made, and already been added into the Halcyon set.

  • onlyroosiesonlyroosies Posts: 3,298 ✭✭✭✭
    edited August 15, 2019 8:18AM

    @ilikemonsters said:
    I notice that a fourth 1957 67+FB has been made, and already been added into the Halcyon set.

    Your x coin, Right... B)
    The pop for the 57P 67+FB has doubled in the last 60 days. The 46P added 1 in 68FB to 5 and another 52D 68FB was made. The pop for the 52D 68FB has now tripled in the last 90 days. The PC price guide needs to adjust as the pops go up. The 46P 68FB has a price guide value of $10,500. That's over 50% off. The 52D is at $9,000. Not a chance that number is even close to correct. I will be adjusting the "correct" price guide to reflect these changes.
    It's tough to pay up for low pop coins when the odds will always be against you. Nice score for John on the 57P

    Onlyroosies

  • KhaymanKhayman Posts: 71 ✭✭✭

    The big thanks here goes to Gary who I worked with to put together a great submission for the ANA show. He’s got a great eye, and should seriously consider starting his own dealer business (just my 2c!). We only got this one upgrade so far but there are still a couple “irons in the fire” so possibly more to come later.

  • ilikemonstersilikemonsters Posts: 767 ✭✭✭✭

    Saw the 1975 No/S in hand today. Not a fan of the coin.

  • DIMEMANDIMEMAN Posts: 22,403 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @ilikemonsters said:
    Saw the 1975 No/S in hand today. Not a fan of the coin.

    Me neither.

  • StoogeStooge Posts: 4,668 ✭✭✭✭✭

    With a pop of 103 specimens in MS67FB and with a pop of only 2 in MS68FB for years, well over 10 possibly 15+ years at least, someone popped the 3rd MS68FB for the 1981-P Roosevelt Dime.

    It'll be interesting to see what this brings at auction.


    Later, Paul.
  • StoogeStooge Posts: 4,668 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Never mind, I found it in Danny's set.


    Later, Paul.
  • DANNYDANNY Posts: 372 ✭✭✭

    @Stooge said:
    With a pop of 103 specimens in MS67FB and with a pop of only 2 in MS68FB for years, well over 10 possibly 15+ years at least, someone popped the 3rd MS68FB for the 1981-P Roosevelt Dime.

    It'll be interesting to see what this brings at auction.

    Hello Paul:
    The 81P MS68FB coin was in the very first batch of clad coins that Nick sent to PCGS on my behalf after he had begun the vetting process of all of my clad dimes. It was one of the very first clad coins that we got back from PCGS. It was originally in a MS68 holder, which I had bought about 20 years ago.
    We have received back from PCGS (so far), 5 Top Pop Clad Roosies in FB:
    81P 68FB
    81D 68FB
    96W 68FB
    2000D 68FB
    2001P 68FB
    All of these coins were originally in MS68 holders, but were bought by me 15-20 years ago before PCGS began grading the Roosie Series in Full Band.
    Danny

  • StoogeStooge Posts: 4,668 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @DANNY said:

    @Stooge said:
    With a pop of 103 specimens in MS67FB and with a pop of only 2 in MS68FB for years, well over 10 possibly 15+ years at least, someone popped the 3rd MS68FB for the 1981-P Roosevelt Dime.

    It'll be interesting to see what this brings at auction.

    Hello Paul:
    The 81P MS68FB coin was in the very first batch of clad coins that Nick sent to PCGS on my behalf after he had begun the vetting process of all of my clad dimes. It was one of the very first clad coins that we got back from PCGS. It was originally in a MS68 holder, which I had bought about 20 years ago.
    We have received back from PCGS (so far), 5 Top Pop Clad Roosies in FB:
    81P 68FB
    81D 68FB
    96W 68FB
    2000D 68FB
    2001P 68FB
    All of these coins were originally in MS68 holders, but were bought by me 15-20 years ago before PCGS began grading the Roosie Series in Full Band.
    Danny

    Forgive me for just now seeing it. I'm getting slow in my older years. LOL


    Later, Paul.
  • DIMEMANDIMEMAN Posts: 22,403 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I may be wrong, but I would think that most 68's would have a fair chance of getting FB just because of what it takes to get a 68 grade. I think my 96W PCGS68 would FB, but not sure I want to mess with it.

  • StoogeStooge Posts: 4,668 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @DIMEMAN said:
    I may be wrong, but I would think that most 68's would have a fair chance of getting FB just because of what it takes to get a 68 grade. I think my 96W PCGS68 would FB, but not sure I want to mess with it.

    Just send it in already and finally join the Full Band club. It took Danny 20 years to come around, don’t be an old grumpy, get that FB!!!!!


    Later, Paul.
  • DIMEMANDIMEMAN Posts: 22,403 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @Stooge said:

    @DIMEMAN said:
    I may be wrong, but I would think that most 68's would have a fair chance of getting FB just because of what it takes to get a 68 grade. I think my 96W PCGS68 would FB, but not sure I want to mess with it.

    Just send it in already and finally join the Full Band club. It took Danny 20 years to come around, don’t be an old grumpy, get that FB!!!!!

    It's only a 60 buck bump. Plus it's only the no band sets that I have a shot at. The FB guys are out of my league. And I just can't pay moon money for high grade FB Roosies. Heck I don't even do that on Mercury's. It just goes against my grain.

  • KhaymanKhayman Posts: 71 ✭✭✭

    That 81-P is a real gem, Danny - well done!

  • DANNYDANNY Posts: 372 ✭✭✭

    Thanks John, I have Nick to thank. He is the one who is submitting the coins to PCGS on my behalf.

    On Sunday Aug 18, Heritage sold a 1959P MS67+FB Roosie at auction for $2880 ($2400 + 20% juice).
    This is a Top Pop coin 11/0.....
    Some previous sell prices for this particular date/MM are $1294 $1272 $1189 $1097
    Yesterdays sell price was about 2.5 times more than these previous selling prices.
    I was knocked out of the bidding process with the very first live bid submitted.
    I would like the thoughts of my fellow Roosie collectors on the auction price realized for this particular coin.
    I have my own opinion/reason, but would like to hear some thoughts from some other Roosie guys.
    Danny

  • ilikemonstersilikemonsters Posts: 767 ✭✭✭✭
    edited August 19, 2019 6:42AM

    @DANNY said:
    Thanks John, I have Nick to thank. He is the one who is submitting the coins to PCGS on my behalf.

    On Sunday Aug 18, Heritage sold a 1959P MS67+FB Roosie at auction for $2880 ($2400 + 20% juice).
    This is a Top Pop coin 11/0.....
    Some previous sell prices for this particular date/MM are $1294 $1272 $1189 $1097
    Yesterdays sell price was about 2.5 times more than these previous selling prices.
    I was knocked out of the bidding process with the very first live bid submitted.
    I would like the thoughts of my fellow Roosie collectors on the auction price realized for this particular coin.
    I have my own opinion/reason, but would like to hear some thoughts from some other Roosie guys.
    Danny

    Saw the coin in question, in hand. I have seen a few different examples of this date in PCGS 67+FB. The heritage example is high-end for the grade, but it will not upgrade in my opinion. It has a similar tone to a 59D 68FB which I've seen in hand.

    Of course I could be wrong, but what holds it back from upgrading to 1/0 68FB, is first of all, the tone on the obverse is mucky and mottled. Secondly, it does not have the luster, nor the flash of a 68.

    If I'm not mistaken, I saw the coin when it was first made a year ago. If I'm right on this, then I'm sure it's been tried for 68.

  • onlyroosiesonlyroosies Posts: 3,298 ✭✭✭✭

    I didn't like the coin and I don't trust that the hammer price is a new buyer. No reason this coin or the 64D should hammer for the price they did. As Gary said I'm sure both of these dimes have been back to see PCGS a few times for upgrade.

  • QBertQBert Posts: 311 ✭✭✭

    For a 59P67fb, that seems excessive. Someone must think it will go 68fb.

  • QBertQBert Posts: 311 ✭✭✭

    5967+fb

  • onlyroosiesonlyroosies Posts: 3,298 ✭✭✭✭

    Bidding is now open for the 1975 No-S PF68 dime on Heritage. Did everyone get there bid in? I know I did, At least I can say I was a bidder on the most famous Roosevelt Dime to exist.

  • StoogeStooge Posts: 4,668 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @onlyroosies said:
    Bidding is now open for the 1975 No-S PF68 dime on Heritage. Did everyone get there bid in? I know I did, At least I can say I was a bidder on the most famous Roosevelt Dime to exist.

    Well I could sell my home, car, and cash in my 401K and have enough to get outbid by probably 50%, but hey, lets bid big I say!


    Later, Paul.
  • QBertQBert Posts: 311 ✭✭✭

    Already to high to put me token bid in :'(

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