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old 2/26/09 ~ BBCE 1986 Fleer basketball - Group Break- Video posted - Ripping has started - 4 Jorda
leathtech
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History of the Box
Box came from a investor who bought items in the year of issue and hoarded them away. The 86/87 Fleer boxes I bought from him still had a price sheet with them that said 60 cents per pack, $18.00 per box. The 79/80 hockey he paid a little more $100 a box!!! Those now go for $2500.00! He did real well on those 2 items. We spent over $150,000 with him in the last 6 weeks. Everything is pristine and fresh. Unfortunately, the investor did all his homework and was not easy on the figures. I paid him stronger than my listed buy prices to to get this clean stuff.
1986/87 Fleer boxes should have 3 of every sticker and 3 extra stickers. Fleer did this on purpose so that any who bought a box got exactly 3 sticker sets and 3 extra stickers. If this pattern does not match up and there are only 2 of any sticker showing (or 5 of any sticker) then the box has been put together and is not an original factory fresh box from Fleer. Also, you will notice some patterns in the cards themselves from viewing the top card. As much as someone may view this a me "looking" through the packs, it's the only way to verify that the box is an intact 36 piece box that Fleer intended it to be. If I wasn't to look at the patterns whenever I got these in, I would have some real pissed off customers from all the crap boxes that I send back!
1986 Box
Eack Pack will be $277.77 + Shipping. OK, so who else wants in?
1. Leathtech - Bird Sticker
2. Leathtech - Sending to PSA to be Graded
3. flatfoot816 - PAID
4. flatfoot816 - PAID
5. fergie23 - Olajuwon Rookie
6. fergie23 - PAID
7. thunderdan - PAID
8. miklia- PAID
9. miconelegacy - PAID
10. miconelegacy - PAID
11. philipjgolden - PAID
12. TurbosHockey - Clyde Drexler / Joe Dumars / Jordan Sticker
13. TurbosHockey - Charles Barkley
14. ldferg - james worthy / Joe Dumars / Clyde Drexler
15. JeremyDie1 - PAID
16. miklia- PAID
17. Gonblott - Jordan Sticker
18. Gonblott - PAID
19. skilow- Wilkins
20. bmcollection - Olajuwon Rookie
21. bmcollection - I Thomas Rookie
22. bmcollection - I Thomas Sticker
23. ssdawg77 - Jordan
24. jmoran19 - Sending to PSA to be Graded
25. NCwrestler - PAID
26. Trev - Jordan
27. Trev - Bird
28. Leathtech - Jordan
29. 1980scollector - Magic Johnson Sticker
30. fergie23 - PAID
31. bmcollection - PAID
32. philipjgolden - Jordan
33. Sold - Carl Malone
34. Sold - Carl Malone
35. Sold - Sending to PSA to be Graded
36. Sold - Sending to PSA to be Graded
Shipping info
$7.00 for 1 pack
$9.00 for 2 packs
$11.00 for 3 packs
$13.00 for 4 packs
Will go UPS and the prices are not due to weight, but insurance.
Once we are full I will email BBCE a list of the participants, and then payments can start to be sent to BBCE at their paypal address which is BBCExchange@sprintmail.com, or you can use a credit card, directly without using Paypal by calling BBCE at 800-598-8656 and ask for Rick. Make sure to include "1986 Fleer basketball rip" and your CU user name in your payment/message.
Box came from a investor who bought items in the year of issue and hoarded them away. The 86/87 Fleer boxes I bought from him still had a price sheet with them that said 60 cents per pack, $18.00 per box. The 79/80 hockey he paid a little more $100 a box!!! Those now go for $2500.00! He did real well on those 2 items. We spent over $150,000 with him in the last 6 weeks. Everything is pristine and fresh. Unfortunately, the investor did all his homework and was not easy on the figures. I paid him stronger than my listed buy prices to to get this clean stuff.
1986/87 Fleer boxes should have 3 of every sticker and 3 extra stickers. Fleer did this on purpose so that any who bought a box got exactly 3 sticker sets and 3 extra stickers. If this pattern does not match up and there are only 2 of any sticker showing (or 5 of any sticker) then the box has been put together and is not an original factory fresh box from Fleer. Also, you will notice some patterns in the cards themselves from viewing the top card. As much as someone may view this a me "looking" through the packs, it's the only way to verify that the box is an intact 36 piece box that Fleer intended it to be. If I wasn't to look at the patterns whenever I got these in, I would have some real pissed off customers from all the crap boxes that I send back!
1986 Box
Eack Pack will be $277.77 + Shipping. OK, so who else wants in?
1. Leathtech - Bird Sticker
2. Leathtech - Sending to PSA to be Graded
3. flatfoot816 - PAID
4. flatfoot816 - PAID
5. fergie23 - Olajuwon Rookie
6. fergie23 - PAID
7. thunderdan - PAID
8. miklia- PAID
9. miconelegacy - PAID
10. miconelegacy - PAID
11. philipjgolden - PAID
12. TurbosHockey - Clyde Drexler / Joe Dumars / Jordan Sticker
13. TurbosHockey - Charles Barkley
14. ldferg - james worthy / Joe Dumars / Clyde Drexler
15. JeremyDie1 - PAID
16. miklia- PAID
17. Gonblott - Jordan Sticker
18. Gonblott - PAID
19. skilow- Wilkins
20. bmcollection - Olajuwon Rookie
21. bmcollection - I Thomas Rookie
22. bmcollection - I Thomas Sticker
23. ssdawg77 - Jordan
24. jmoran19 - Sending to PSA to be Graded
25. NCwrestler - PAID
26. Trev - Jordan
27. Trev - Bird
28. Leathtech - Jordan
29. 1980scollector - Magic Johnson Sticker
30. fergie23 - PAID
31. bmcollection - PAID
32. philipjgolden - Jordan
33. Sold - Carl Malone
34. Sold - Carl Malone
35. Sold - Sending to PSA to be Graded
36. Sold - Sending to PSA to be Graded
Shipping info
$7.00 for 1 pack
$9.00 for 2 packs
$11.00 for 3 packs
$13.00 for 4 packs
Will go UPS and the prices are not due to weight, but insurance.
Once we are full I will email BBCE a list of the participants, and then payments can start to be sent to BBCE at their paypal address which is BBCExchange@sprintmail.com, or you can use a credit card, directly without using Paypal by calling BBCE at 800-598-8656 and ask for Rick. Make sure to include "1986 Fleer basketball rip" and your CU user name in your payment/message.
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"Live everyday, don't throw it away"
"Live everyday, don't throw it away"
Doubt he will go that low.
<< <i>Going rate has come down to the $200 level for most graded packs (graded at 7-9), even those desiganted as "from a full box".
Doubt he will go that low. >>
What have PSA packs been seeling for... I see lot of GAI packs on ebay - not sure if I trust them.
<< <i>Going rate has come down to the $200 level for most graded packs (graded at 7-9), even those desiganted as "from a full box".
Doubt he will go that low. >>
Bob ... as you probably know, there is a sequence to those packs that a lot of people know. So even if there are packs labeled "from a full box", if you can see one of the cards thru the pack you would know if there was a good chance at a Jordan. If there was, I'm sure those are the pack(s) that the person who had them graded would keep and they would sell the others. So it MIGHT be worth paying the extra money IF you are buying from someone you trust. JMO.
Doug
Liquidating my collection for the 3rd and final time. Time for others to enjoy what I have enjoyed over the last several decades. Money could be put to better use.
If it is, no worries at all and the packs should go for a premium.
But, I imagine it was bought by him as a loose box. I'm also going to go out on a limb and guess he looked at all the packs carefully before he bought the box, but ONLY to make sure they were legit. I highly doubt he can tell if the box was put together by someone who "sequenced" several boxes and pulled the good packs and put lots of 36 "bad" packs back in the boxes. I may be totally off here, but there is no way (unless steve opened the case) that he can guarantee these packs are any different from the ones you take your chances with in GAI holders (as far as sequence searching goes) .
Edit - guess I should have looked at his site first. it says box matches up with Fleer coalation. Guess that's what I was talking about. Looks like he did check to make sure it was a "legit" box afterall.
I'm sorry.
I would do $10,000 on the box plus shipping. So, it would be $277.77 per pack plus exact shipping.
"1986/87 Fleer Basketball Unopened Wax Box. Box is 100% authentic and unopened. Box matches up with correct Fleer collation on stickers/packs etc. 36 unopened wax packs. The king of unopened boxes!!"
So if the box matches up with Fleer collation, then there should be Jordans in it.
NO PROBLEM! Unfortunately I will not be participating, but I hope this box comes from a day the workers at Fleer were drunk and the print run was done incorrectly, resulting in ten times as many Jordans showing up in this box!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Doug
Liquidating my collection for the 3rd and final time. Time for others to enjoy what I have enjoyed over the last several decades. Money could be put to better use.
I'll have to watch ANOTHER rip from sidelines! I'm jealous, good luck all!
ALWAYS Looking for Chris Sabo cards!
Manny
shameless plug
<< <i>Sure, I trust Steve. More than I trust anyone else out there. But I'm going out on a limb and guessing the box he has for sale is not from a full case he opened himself.
If it is, no worries at all and the packs should go for a premium.
But, I imagine it was bought by him as a loose box. I'm also going to go out on a limb and guess he looked at all the packs carefully before he bought the box, but ONLY to make sure they were legit. I highly doubt he can tell if the box was put together by someone who "sequenced" several boxes and pulled the good packs and put lots of 36 "bad" packs back in the boxes. I may be totally off here, but there is no way (unless steve opened the case) that he can guarantee these packs are any different from the ones you take your chances with in GAI holders (as far as sequence searching goes) .
Edit - guess I should have looked at his site first. it says box matches up with Fleer coalation. Guess that's what I was talking about. Looks like he did check to make sure it was a "legit" box afterall.
I'm sorry. >>
Does this mean he opened the case himself? Does it guarantee that the packs have not been rearranged from other fleer boxes? I'm interested, and would pay what appears to be a premium given Steve's impeccable reputation, but wanted to understand what "box matches up with Fleer coalation actually means."
<< <i>Think he would do 4 packs @$1000.00??
Feel free to e-mail him and ask... bbcexchange@sprintmail.com - we are already getting $900 off so I won't think so but it never hurts to ask.
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<< <i>Sure, I trust Steve. More than I trust anyone else out there. But I'm going out on a limb and guessing the box he has for sale is not from a full case he opened himself.
If it is, no worries at all and the packs should go for a premium.
But, I imagine it was bought by him as a loose box. I'm also going to go out on a limb and guess he looked at all the packs carefully before he bought the box, but ONLY to make sure they were legit. I highly doubt he can tell if the box was put together by someone who "sequenced" several boxes and pulled the good packs and put lots of 36 "bad" packs back in the boxes. I may be totally off here, but there is no way (unless steve opened the case) that he can guarantee these packs are any different from the ones you take your chances with in GAI holders (as far as sequence searching goes) .
Edit - guess I should have looked at his site first. it says box matches up with Fleer coalation. Guess that's what I was talking about. Looks like he did check to make sure it was a "legit" box afterall.
I'm sorry. >>
Does this mean he opened the case himself? Does it guarantee that the packs have not been rearranged from other fleer boxes? I'm interested, and would pay what appears to be a premium given Steve's impeccable reputation, but wanted to understand what "box matches up with Fleer coalation actually means." >>
Thunderdan - I will fire an e-mail off and see if he can give us more information.
Dan.
Wow, I have always said to myself that if a box of these were ever done on these boards, that I would have to be in for 2 packs.
Always said!!!!!.
And then you come up with this today, not week before last, not 3 weeks from now, but today!!!!
Yesterday I spent over a Thousand on E-bay, tonight I am still in the running for about 5K at Mastro, so the timing couldn't be worse. I mean worse than worse!!!!
This sucks I have to pass!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Neil
Robb
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<< <i>Sure, I trust Steve. More than I trust anyone else out there. But I'm going out on a limb and guessing the box he has for sale is not from a full case he opened himself.
If it is, no worries at all and the packs should go for a premium.
But, I imagine it was bought by him as a loose box. I'm also going to go out on a limb and guess he looked at all the packs carefully before he bought the box, but ONLY to make sure they were legit. I highly doubt he can tell if the box was put together by someone who "sequenced" several boxes and pulled the good packs and put lots of 36 "bad" packs back in the boxes. I may be totally off here, but there is no way (unless steve opened the case) that he can guarantee these packs are any different from the ones you take your chances with in GAI holders (as far as sequence searching goes) .
Edit - guess I should have looked at his site first. it says box matches up with Fleer coalation. Guess that's what I was talking about. Looks like he did check to make sure it was a "legit" box afterall.
I'm sorry. >>
Does this mean he opened the case himself? Does it guarantee that the packs have not been rearranged from other fleer boxes? I'm interested, and would pay what appears to be a premium given Steve's impeccable reputation, but wanted to understand what "box matches up with Fleer coalation actually means." >>
Thunderdan - I will fire an e-mail off and see if he can give us more information. >>
Here is Steve's Response:
Box came from a investor who bought items in the year of issue and hoarded them away. The 86/87 Fleer boxes I bought from him still had a price sheet with them that said 60 cents per pack, $18.00 per box. The 79/80 hockey he paid a little more $100 a box!!! Those now go for $2500.00! He did real well on those 2 items. We spent over $150,000 with him in the last 6 weeks. Everything is pristine and fresh. Unfortunately, the investor did all his homework and was not easy on the figures.
1986/87 Fleer boxes should have 3 of every sticker and 3 extra stickers. Fleer did this on purpose so that any who bought a box got exactly 3 sticker sets and 3 extra stickers. If this pattern does not match up and there are only 2 of any sticker showing (or 5 of any sticker) then the box has been put together and is not an original factory fresh box from Fleer. Also, you will notice some patterns in the cards themselves from viewing the top card. As much as someone may view this a me "looking" through the packs, it's the only way to verify that the box is an intact 36 piece box that Fleer intended it to be. If I wasn't to look at the patterns whenever I got these in, I would have some real pissed off customers from all the crap boxes that I send back!
<< <i>If it is like any other fleer set then you can expect to get anywhere between 2-4 plus 2-3 stickers. >>
According to Steve every box should have 3 Jordan Stickers with a possibility of a 4th!
Steve has confirmed there are at least 3 Jordan Stickers in this box.
"Live everyday, don't throw it away"
"Live everyday, don't throw it away"
<< <i>sign me up for two as well. I have a couple of questions. >>
You are down for 2 please ask any questions of feel free to PM me!
Mike
<< <i>okay, i'll go for one. >>
sweet, you in!
I am also thinking about throwing the same money into the stock market, as there are some incredible bargins right now.
The dilemma!!!
<< <i>so my question is , does steve directly ship however many packs each person orders ?? thanks >>
yes, Steve will take care of everything and ship out how ever many packs you buy.
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Its my first post here., but Im here to stay !
I love what you guys do here.
I was just wondering how PSA knows packs are un-searched when they grade.. ?
Doesn't it sound misleading to grade something that is searched ?
Just wondering ?
I am def interested in this break...
I love the group effort !
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80 Topps Greg Pryor “No Name"
90 ProSet Dexter Manley error
90 Topps Jeff King Yellow back
1958 Topps Pancho Herrera (no“a”)
81 Topps Art Howe (black smear above hat)
91 D A. Hawkins BC-12 “Pitcher”
<< <i>This is a tough one, so the complete box HAS to be sold out for Steve to start shipping? I'm not a fan of the PSA 8 prices, and with the main issue probably being centering, I'd like to know the answer to my first question. Decisions, decisions....Oh, and the set is just under 150 cards with the stickers.... >>
Yes the whole box muxt sell out before anything gets shipped!
My plan is to buy 2 packs, open 1 and send 1 in to be graded for my graded pack collection... but if the centering is dead on I might have to open both.