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Re: micheal jordan fleer rookie cards ?s
@Groo said:
If as nice as you claim then you must use the walk through option!Ensure to tighten the screws on case as much as possible. That will ensure the grader knows it's been stored properly all these years in an old school case with minimal exposure to air.
Most of all my sincere wish of Good Luck on what seems will be a near certain life changing cash windfall.
The OP did nothing but come here with a legitimate question, and your mockery post is the kind of thing that will run off people that come here looking for help, which is all he did.
Re: Proof $20 Triple Delight
@bidask said:
How long did it take to collect all those ?
It’s easy to remember- in March 2020 when Covid struck I owned not a single gold coin, so it’s been a new direction over the last four years.
Re: Dime size penny?
Man-made alteration/magicians coin – not an error coin of any kind or type, Sorry to say.
Re: IMPORTANT Tip for Collectors!
This thread is derailed so i> @Walkerlover said:
@Crypto said:
@jmlanzaf said:
@Crypto said:
@winesteven said:
Believe it or not, for many of us, CAC stickering has made the hobby BETTER AND more fun!
Steve
More collectors have had the liquidity of their collections impacted by not having sticker than have benefited from a god level grader cherry picking the market preference out of the masses. Yes the 1% buyers out there have saved from not making as many mistakes but even then they paid a price by not having the lessons trust upon them those mistakes mandate to the quick to learn. Maybe one doesn’t want to live and learn but the hobby is about living and learning and not just competition or investing.
I say this as a fan of CAC but it is a marketing tool that has benefited dealers way more than collectors. Just those of us used to be able to pick A coins out of the masses and get them for retail has dramatically dried up. Combined with the ability to sell C coins for competitive % of retail is also now an uphill battle. Those are not collector benefits
Why is it not a collector benefit for them to be able to avoid the C coins that you appear to want to sell them?
CAC benefits collectors far more than dealers.
You have never sold anything but A+ coins. I would bet more than you could afford that you have sold more meh coins than I have ever owned. I am not a dealer and learned to grade over many speed bumps. Besides what I collect, many issues are simply not out there with A+ levels of preservation since they have been collectible for generations and having been processed by too many transactions not to have been fiddled with. Fresh is market slang meaning that it hasn’t been through too many dealers hands after all.
The whole construct that patina as a trait that deserves a price multiplier due to increased rarity is an attrition metric and any dealer knowns imparting scarcity is the key to adding value post procurement. Just as FBLs is a marketing schtick meant to impart scarcity/superiority to add value to otherwise common stuff. CAC is a pay more identifier in a market that the vast majority is simply trying to get their widgets to stand out. That helps dealers charge 50$ more for a nicely graded 81s dollar, I don’t think it adds much value to a choice AU58 61d dollar.
Of course CAC has helped pull some problems out of the market and a few collectors with the means have used it as a invaluable learning tool, but looked at on a pure number transactions base it has been used by dealers to maximize their inventory as a value add to charge more for other wise the same coins. Paying more for some random dealers 81s isn’t some blessing to collectors. And while paying 50$ more for a not bad 81s might be preferable to many newbs opposed to paying retail for an overgraded example, there were plenty of not bad 81s transacted before CAC. The detriment CAC has brought to collectors is the bad ones are still priced now closer to CAC’ed levels at the middle of the market and the collector’s good 81s not stickered is assumed bad or at best needing grading. Also not a blessing to collectors.
@Crypto said:
@jmlanzaf said:
@Crypto said:
@winesteven said:
Believe it or not, for many of us, CAC stickering has made the hobby BETTER AND more fun!
Steve
More collectors have had the liquidity of their collections impacted by not having sticker than have benefited from a god level grader cherry picking the market preference out of the masses. Yes the 1% buyers out there have saved from not making as many mistakes but even then they paid a price by not having the lessons trust upon them those mistakes mandate to the quick to learn. Maybe one doesn’t want to live and learn but the hobby is about living and learning and not just competition or investing.
I say this as a fan of CAC but it is a marketing tool that has benefited dealers way more than collectors. Just those of us used to be able to pick A coins out of the masses and get them for retail has dramatically dried up. Combined with the ability to sell C coins for competitive % of retail is also now an uphill battle. Those are not collector benefits
Why is it not a collector benefit for them to be able to avoid the C coins that you appear to want to sell them?
CAC benefits collectors far more than dealers.
You have never sold anything but A+ coins. I would bet more than you could afford that you have sold more meh coins than I have ever owned. I am not a dealer and learned to grade over many speed bumps. Besides what I collect, many issues are simply not out there with A+ levels of preservation since they have been collectible for generations and having been processed by too many transactions not to have been fiddled with. Fresh is market slang meaning that it hasn’t been through too many dealers hands after all.
The whole construct that patina as a trait that deserves a price multiplier due to increased rarity is an attrition metric and any dealer knowns imparting scarcity is the key to adding value post procurement. Just as FBLs is a marketing schtick meant to impart scarcity/superiority to add value to otherwise common stuff. CAC is a pay more identifier in a market that the vast majority is simply trying to get their widgets to stand out. That helps dealers charge 50$ more for a nicely graded 81s dollar, I don’t think it adds much value to a choice AU58 61d dollar.
Of course CAC has helped pull some problems out of the market and a few collectors with the means have used it as a invaluable learning tool, but looked at on a pure number transactions base it has been used by dealers to maximize their inventory as a value add to charge more for other wise the same coins. Paying more for some random dealers 81s isn’t some blessing to collectors. And while paying 50$ more for a not bad 81s might be preferable to many newbs opposed to paying retail for an overgraded example, there were plenty of not bad 81s transacted before CAC. The detriment CAC has brought to collectors is the bad ones are still priced now closer to CAC’ed levels at the middle of the market and the collector’s good 81s not stickered is assumed bad or at best needing grading. Also not a blessing to collectors.
I see many NON CAC coins on GC go for high prices. And some CAC coins not bringing much premiums as well.
There are always going to be outliers but in general higher priced coins with a sticker sell for more money than non stickered coins.
Re: Chop Marked 1884 Morgan Dollar
I've looked at many thousands of Chinese chopmarks, it's a passion of mine. The OP coin doesn't look like a Chinese chopmark. More directly, I'd say it's not.
Re: Seeking Advice - Getting Variety Attribution on Label Will Help or Hurt When Selling?
I'd say leave it, but not necessarily for the reason in your poll. It's an eye appealing coin, a good candidate for type sets where the variety doesn't matter.
I'd only bother if it was a scarcer (maybe R-5 minimum) and probably only then if in a source like the Red Book. I don't see any significance in R-3 varieties. I consider 201-500 (per my Judd reference) rather common for specialization.
I'd have a different opinion (maybe) for early large cents, but I haven't seen attribution on most of these either.
Re: IMPORTANT Tip for Collectors!
I'm thinking about cracking out all my seated quarters and putting them back in a Dansco.
Re: IMPORTANT Tip for Collectors!
@Maywood said:
I didn't read every reply thoroughly so maybe I missed it, but the biggest take-away from this is for me is ridiculous. It tells me that the OP and most probably many collectors are less interested in what the coin actually looks like and its grade than they are in that little green CAC sticker. The coin in question hasn't changed and the OP clearly liked it and thought it was superior and worthy of inclusion in his collection. The twist is clear: that opinion was based entirely on the CAC sticker.So @291fifth is correct in his assessment for me, the entire sticker phenomenon has distorted the Hobby. The top collectors have been persuaded to look past their own instincts and grading acumen to believe coins aren't worth owning unless they have the CAC sticker!! I find it somewhat embarrassing for the OP. I have viewed his coins here, followed with interest as he's built collections and had displays at shows. Checked his listings at the BST when he's sold coins to upgrade his collection. Now I am left believing that the primary quality a coin must possess in his view is a CAC sticker. That is discouraging, because I naturally extrapolate that finding to mean there are many, many collectors, no doubt some of them at this forum, who have fallen into the same trap.
Here's what I know: it is hard to become proficient at grading coins. Being a specialist is one thing but being a generalist is completely on a different level. The nuances of each series are hard to know, it takes years and decades to become proficient enough to not get skinned alive. Prior to the advent in the 1980's of the various TPG's a pure collector was really vulnerable. I started collecting around 1965 and didn't become wholly confident in my ability until the late 1990's and into the present century. I eventually became confident enough in my own ability that I could buy raw with a minimum of worry but STILL occasionally got burned. It happens. Then along came CAC and the game changed yet again.
This experience related by the OP took a lot of guts to post here because, JMHO, it exposes him as being duped but it also exposes the Industry. The Hobby has had to deal with counterfeiting in numerous forms, perhaps the "fake slab scandals" have been the worst. Now we are faced with things attached to the outside of the slab which are universally trusted. Collectors, slowly and most likely without realizing it themselves, are paying less attention to the actual coin. They trust the encapsulation, they trust the sticker company, they stop their progression of learning how to grade.
This is the end result.
That is NOT the conclusion. He never said that he no longer liked the coin. But he wanted a completely CAC set and that didn't fit anymore.
Re: Your favorite player's final card
Mike Greenwell has three cards for his final year, 1997. He played only a few games for the Hanshin Tigers, retiring after a barrage of injuries.
1997 Japanese cards were generous, though, and so Greenwell was featured in the 1997 Takara Hanshin Tigers set.
He’s also in the 1997 BBM set twice. His base card:
And his special Hanshin Tigers Team Set card. Here’s a picture of the set opened and one that is still factory sealed numbered 0005/5000.
He does have some commemorative Japanese cards from years later, but the three above are his last cards from his playing days.