<< <i>That list is based upon topps pre order list, which they changed quite a bit. To my knowledge Sparky Anderson is no where to be found in this product.
Kevin >>
Seriously?? I know he's just a manager but I was hoping to pull or trade for one of Sparky's autos
Zep sorts as he goes, which is fine if that sorting style works for him. I think I am like most of the case rippers that sort the cards into hundreds piles (a stack of cards from 1 to 99, a stack of cards from 100 to 199, etc....) as I rip, then when the ripping is done, I numerically sort each sky scraping 100s pile.
I would imagine if you sorted after each box, you'd have to marry box 1 to box 2 (double work). Then when box 3 was done, you'd have to marry that to the box 1 and box 2 you just married. And so on and so on. To me, there is just no economy of motion in doing it that way.
I'm sorting into 1 gigantic set. pack by pack. not box by box. 1 base set is done, when box gets close to full, i pull another set out. Makes the rip last longer and I like that saves me money
I know if I wait until everything is done, I'll never get around to doing it. Have too many examples like that already. Makes it very hard to do any trading since none of the cards are in order and I loath trying to look through a 3000 ct box looking for 4 specific cards.
off work today - Originally had planned to go to Foxwoods today but blew the money I was going to take on that 2nd case yesterday so I'll be here for a while
my other case shipped yesterday so I won't see that one till Monday I guess
<< <i>Zep sorts as he goes, which is fine if that sorting style works for him. I think I am like most of the case rippers that sort the cards into hundreds piles (a stack of cards from 1 to 99, a stack of cards from 100 to 199, etc....) as I rip, then when the ripping is done, I numerically sort each sky scraping 100s pile. >>
That's the way I do it as well. Also saves on handling/wear of the cards.
I will provide a full analysis this weekend, because i have all the data from previous years regarding the estimated print runs. If there are indeed a million packs of this product, then it is the shortest print run of any heritage year and is on par with 2001. That is assuming the retail run is equal to the hobby run. last year the print run was somewhere around 2 million packs, fyi.
Consider that there are 1960*100 chromes, and 560*100 refractors and 60*100 blacks. Use all of those to triangulate a rough estimate of packs. All numbers point to about 1.1 million packs total....of course retail odds could be different, but in the past they weren't.
If 1 milion packs, and sp's are 1:3, then there's about 33k sp's total. divided by 75 and there are a grand total of 4500 of EACH short print card. Just for comparison, In 2001 there were about 5000 of each hi# sp. Of course, I think some sp's were double-printed because topps sheets are printed with 100 or 110 cards. Of course that is conjecture, they could have filled the missing 3 or 13 cards with checklists or something innocuous.
You never know with retail. I believe last year they made the odds longer for retail, or maybe I'm thinking about high #. The jumbo packs are going to throw a wrench into the math. I really like the idea of cutting back production, I don't think there is a whole lot of intrest in this product past set builders. I will admit that this gorgeous design is going to hook some people. The past of this will be sliding the last card into your album and sitting down to look through it.
I am contacting Clay at topps right now and should have a response on my blog page about the dropped cards. Hopefully he doesn't take Friday's off!
I will agree sorting as you rip is the way to do IF you can wait. Also if you are ripping live on the boards, make sure you know the conversion table for waiting. If the ripper waits 10 minutes between posts, it feels like 30 minutes to those watching! LOL
Once someone has their cards in order let me know, I want to ask you about some possible color varitions and low number SP's. So right now I still have SP's at card #'s 426+
well, crap. I gotta go to work. Might be able to check in from time to time, but otherwise I'll catch up tonight. Mike, good luck with the 2nd case. Hope stuff starts trickling in for the rest of you.
Autographs 1 (redemption) Game Used 12 (1 double) Black Chrome 1 Chrome Refractor 12 Chome 52 Short Prints 97 58 different 39 doubles Base set 1 2nd set short 1 card 3rd set short 3 cards Master set no Inserts: New Age 20 missing 3 Then & Now 19 complete Flashbacks 43 Baseball 20 complete News 23 complete Variations ? Buybacks 6 Ad Panels 12 all different Damaged cards 26 smashed corners
Autographs 1 (redemption) Game Used 12 (1 double) Black Chrome 1 Chrome Refractor 12 Chome 52 Short Prints 97 58 different 39 doubles Base set 1 2nd set short 1 card 3rd set short 3 cards Master set no Inserts: New Age 20 missing 3 Then & Now 19 complete Flashbacks 43 Baseball 20 complete News 23 complete Variations ? Buybacks 6 Ad Panels 12 all different Damaged cards 26 smashed corners >>
Great info Zep! Can you possible list the base set cards you didn't get doubles and triple of? I want to compare them to mine. Can't believe you pulled that many doubles on the SP's...OUCH
I saw a Kinsler chrome, a Chris Davis Chrome, and a Kevin Millwood jersey posted out there. I would love to try and trade for them. If you have them please PM me and we can work something out. Thanks.
please, why do people do this? Note in the auction despription its said 620 cards (+or-). This is a presale auction of what they thought might be in the product. Someone should post this info on that blog page, this is misinformation.
Right now Zep is the expert here, he has opened the most. Ill wait until he or anyone else opening in masse, talks about the product.
Red Autos: 1, Schult 27/60 Flashback Relics: 1, Mantle Clubhouse Collection: 12(1 double) GroupA Johnson,Millwood Group B Baldelli, Upton, Willis(2),Lester,Utley Group C Crawford, Ramirez Black Refractors: 3, Teixeira, Gallardo, Stephen Drew Refractors; 10, 1 dup Chrome: 55, 2 dups SP'S: 96, 38 dups Base: 3 sets, tons of duplication Master: None, missing 17 sp's Flashbacks: 1 set, 14 dups News Flashbacks: 9/10, need #10, 14 dups NAP: 12/15, need #1,11,15, 6 dups Then and Now: 9/10, need #3, 11 dups
Kevin,
Base that I did not have after the base sets: 1 12 13 29 44 51 58 70 76 92 94 107 119 124 143 144 155 158 165 185 203 213 216 217 218 223 224 228 249 253 254 260 275 276 285 288 301 309 310 311 314 351 363 377 385 392 413 414 415 416 417 418 419 420 421 422 423 424 425
I believe I am going to hold off on the other 3 cases I have for the moment and see what I can do thru trading to complete my Master set with Chrome and a few more base sets. If anyone is interested in trading LMK.
Are we sure there will be a super SP in this set? Was there a weird variation in 1960 Topps? Last year the Smoltz made sense because of the Burdette variation and the guy at Topps who is in love with Santana (see 08 Topps #661). If my memory serves me correctly there was not a super SP in 2007 Topps Heritage and the only reason there was one in 2006 Topps Heritage was because of the Alex Gordon issue.
The only advantage I can see to waiting...and waiting...and waiting for my two cases to arrive is that there should be a complete list of short prints and variations, if any, by the time they finally get here. Thanks to all of you who are currently working on compiling this information.
I called 3 different shops here in Michigan and they all told me that Topps delayed shipping, so they won't see anything until Tuesday or Wednesday at the latest
I just read this on sportscardnation.com: "MARKET REPORT DETAILS: Topps has been sold out for months. Huge collectibility every year. Set builders dream. Always a great seller. This year's has started out much higher than in previous years due to the early sellout and lower production.
SCN DIRECTIONAL REPORT (Which way will prices move in the next 60 days): We should see cases come out in the $800-$825 range. If there is a dip down to the $750 range, we feel it's a great buy. Very little of this product will hit the secondary market and most of it will be broken. We could see $75 a Box in 30-60 days and if the print run is really short, this could be a $100 box similar to back in 2001.
It also lists the factory direct price @ around $600/case (blow out cards is makin out pretty good, 925)
<< <i>I called 3 different shops here in Michigan and they all told me that Topps delayed shipping, so they won't see anything until Tuesday or Wednesday at the latest >>
How in the heck did some get out? Does this normally happen? It doesn't seem that Topps would let some out, but ship some?
<< <i>I called 3 different shops here in Michigan and they all told me that Topps delayed shipping, so they won't see anything until Tuesday or Wednesday at the latest >>
How in the heck did some get out? Does this normally happen? It doesn't seem that Topps would let some out, but ship some? >>
Most of the stuff on ebay is on the east coast. Maybe Topps ships it out in sections
i was supposed to have a case today. but only 4 boxes came in he sold me 2. scans coming of my 2 box break! did real good on 2 boxes i think. got a smoltz sp # 445. braves uni maybe there is a redsox variation?
got 17 sp's if 426 and over are. here are the good ones
Comments
Thanks for helping me with the rip again. Good time, even though the case could have been better. I guess it also could have been a lot worse.
Doran,
I just sent you an email with the DC# for your case. Good luck
And a Whitey Lockman redemption? They couldn't get Lockman to sign? Ughhhhhh.
8 SPs
5 chrome
1 ref - Kershaw
CDsNuts, 1/9/15
<< <i>That list is based upon topps pre order list, which they changed quite a bit. To my knowledge Sparky Anderson is no where to be found in this product.
Kevin >>
Seriously?? I know he's just a manager but I was hoping to pull or trade for one of Sparky's autos
My Registry Sets
box 9
7 SPs
5 chrome
1 ref - Pettite
I would imagine if you sorted after each box, you'd have to marry box 1 to box 2 (double work). Then when box 3 was done, you'd have to marry that to the box 1 and box 2 you just married. And so on and so on. To me, there is just no economy of motion in doing it that way.
I know if I wait until everything is done, I'll never get around to doing it. Have too many examples like that already. Makes it very hard to do any trading since none of the cards are in order and I loath trying to look through a 3000 ct box looking for 4 specific cards.
My Registry Sets
<< <i>box 7 - last one for tonight
9 SPs
3 chrome
1 ref. McCann
rip will restart around 5:30 AM >>
Nice Zep, nothing like seeing you pull a nice Sox card. Please don't pull any more Dodgers cards as I would like to have a shot at them.
brian
my other case shipped yesterday so I won't see that one till Monday I guess
<< <i>Zep sorts as he goes, which is fine if that sorting style works for him. I think I am like most of the case rippers that sort the cards into hundreds piles (a stack of cards from 1 to 99, a stack of cards from 100 to 199, etc....) as I rip, then when the ripping is done, I numerically sort each sky scraping 100s pile.
>>
That's the way I do it as well. Also saves on handling/wear of the cards.
My Registry Sets
Consider that there are 1960*100 chromes, and 560*100 refractors and 60*100 blacks. Use all of those to triangulate a rough estimate of packs. All numbers point to about 1.1 million packs total....of course retail odds could be different, but in the past they weren't.
If 1 milion packs, and sp's are 1:3, then there's about 33k sp's total. divided by 75 and there are a grand total of 4500 of EACH short print card. Just for comparison, In 2001 there were about 5000 of each hi# sp. Of course, I think some sp's were double-printed because topps sheets are printed with 100 or 110 cards. Of course that is conjecture, they could have filled the missing 3 or 13 cards with checklists or something innocuous.
Topps Heritage - Trade Page
7 SPs
4 chrome
1 black
CDsNuts, 1/9/15
My Registry Sets
CDsNuts, 1/9/15
You never know with retail. I believe last year they made the odds longer for retail, or maybe I'm thinking about high #. The jumbo packs are going to throw
a wrench into the math. I really like the idea of cutting back production, I don't think there is a whole lot of intrest in this product past set builders. I will
admit that this gorgeous design is going to hook some people. The past of this will be sliding the last card into your album and sitting down to look
through it.
I am contacting Clay at topps right now and should have a response on my blog page about the dropped cards. Hopefully he doesn't take Friday's off!
I will agree sorting as you rip is the way to do IF you can wait. Also if you are ripping live on the boards, make sure you know the conversion table
for waiting. If the ripper waits 10 minutes between posts, it feels like 30 minutes to those watching! LOL
Once someone has their cards in order let me know, I want to ask you about some possible color varitions and low number SP's. So right now I still have
SP's at card #'s 426+
Keep Rippin!
Kevin
CDsNuts, 1/9/15
<< <i>Is there a difference in 'cards per pack' between Hobby and Retail? >>
There hasn't been in the past, but their are jumbo packs in retail this year.
Kevin
Allen & Ginter Cards
My Blog -- Ballcard Mania
7 SPs
5 chome
1 ref - Ichiro
<< <i>Which card in the pack is the SP/Insert this year? >>
Some where in the middle...LOL I ripped to fast. Im hoping to have more today. Clay emailed me and said he doesn't even have the product yet!
Kevin
8 SPs
4 chrome
1 ref
now it's time for breakfast and do some stats on this miserable case
<< <i>box 12 - thank God this case is done
now it's time for breakfast and do some stats on this miserable case >>
Welcome to our world, Mike. You've just gotten spoiled on miraculous pulls in every product you've opened!
Dodgers collection scans | Brett Butler registry | 1978 Dodgers - straight 9s, homie
Brad
CDsNuts, 1/9/15
Dodgers collection scans | Brett Butler registry | 1978 Dodgers - straight 9s, homie
Autographs 1 (redemption)
Game Used 12 (1 double)
Black Chrome 1
Chrome Refractor 12
Chome 52
Short Prints 97 58 different 39 doubles
Base set 1 2nd set short 1 card 3rd set short 3 cards
Master set no
Inserts:
New Age 20 missing 3
Then & Now 19 complete
Flashbacks 43
Baseball 20 complete
News 23 complete
Variations ?
Buybacks 6
Ad Panels 12 all different
Damaged cards 26 smashed corners
<< <i>Case 1 of 3 stats:
Autographs 1 (redemption)
Game Used 12 (1 double)
Black Chrome 1
Chrome Refractor 12
Chome 52
Short Prints 97 58 different 39 doubles
Base set 1 2nd set short 1 card 3rd set short 3 cards
Master set no
Inserts:
New Age 20 missing 3
Then & Now 19 complete
Flashbacks 43
Baseball 20 complete
News 23 complete
Variations ?
Buybacks 6
Ad Panels 12 all different
Damaged cards 26 smashed corners >>
Great info Zep! Can you possible list the base set cards you didn't get doubles and triple of? I want to compare them to mine. Can't believe you pulled that many
doubles on the SP's...OUCH
Kevin
Allen & Ginter Cards
My Blog -- Ballcard Mania
What I'm selling
Building Sets, Collecting Texas Rangers, and Texas Tech Red Raiders
2009 Topps Heritage Black Backs?
Allen & Ginter Cards
My Blog -- Ballcard Mania
be in the product. Someone should post this info on that blog page, this is misinformation.
Right now Zep is the expert here, he has opened the most. Ill wait until he or anyone else opening in masse, talks about the product.
KEvin
Red Autos: 1, Schult 27/60
Flashback Relics: 1, Mantle
Clubhouse Collection: 12(1 double) GroupA Johnson,Millwood Group B Baldelli, Upton, Willis(2),Lester,Utley Group C Crawford, Ramirez
Black Refractors: 3, Teixeira, Gallardo, Stephen Drew
Refractors; 10, 1 dup
Chrome: 55, 2 dups
SP'S: 96, 38 dups
Base: 3 sets, tons of duplication
Master: None, missing 17 sp's
Flashbacks: 1 set, 14 dups
News Flashbacks: 9/10, need #10, 14 dups
NAP: 12/15, need #1,11,15, 6 dups
Then and Now: 9/10, need #3, 11 dups
Kevin,
Base that I did not have after the base sets:
1
12
13
29
44
51
58
70
76
92
94
107
119
124
143
144
155
158
165
185
203
213
216
217
218
223
224
228
249
253
254
260
275
276
285
288
301
309
310
311
314
351
363
377
385
392
413
414
415
416
417
418
419
420
421
422
423
424
425
I believe I am going to hold off on the other 3 cases I have for the moment and see what I can do thru trading to complete my Master set with Chrome and a few more base sets. If anyone is interested in trading LMK.
Stoney
For Sale
For Sale
<< <i>If you say triangulate, conjecture, or innocuous again you will be asked to leave.
same with marrying boxes.
What I'm selling
Building Sets, Collecting Texas Rangers, and Texas Tech Red Raiders
Authorized wholesale dealer for BCW, if you need any supplies let me know and I will get you a quote
Topps has been sold out for months. Huge collectibility every year. Set builders dream. Always a great seller. This year's has started out much higher than in previous years due to the early sellout and lower production.
SCN DIRECTIONAL REPORT (Which way will prices move in the next 60 days):
We should see cases come out in the $800-$825 range. If there is a dip down to the $750 range, we feel it's a great buy. Very little of this product will hit the secondary market and most of it will be broken. We could see $75 a Box in 30-60 days and if the print run is really short, this could be a $100 box similar to back in 2001.
It also lists the factory direct price @ around $600/case (blow out cards is makin out pretty good, 925)
<< <i>I called 3 different shops here in Michigan and they all told me that Topps delayed shipping, so they won't see anything until Tuesday or Wednesday at the latest
How in the heck did some get out? Does this normally happen? It doesn't seem that Topps would let some out, but ship some?
What I'm selling
Building Sets, Collecting Texas Rangers, and Texas Tech Red Raiders
<< <i>
<< <i>I called 3 different shops here in Michigan and they all told me that Topps delayed shipping, so they won't see anything until Tuesday or Wednesday at the latest
How in the heck did some get out? Does this normally happen? It doesn't seem that Topps would let some out, but ship some? >>
Most of the stuff on ebay is on the east coast. Maybe Topps ships it out in sections
got 17 sp's if 426 and over are. here are the good ones