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  • zep33zep33 Posts: 6,897 ✭✭✭


    << <i>

    << <i>3 Armais and they are all the same just first name.

    I have put all my cards in order and out of 6 boxes I was able to get every card under 425. Does this mean there are no lower # SP's..no. Some of the cards
    I had 3-4 of and some only 1. Anyone pull a bunch of Ellsbury?

    So far from what I can see there have been no variations on the fronts. I also noticed that while putting the cards in order in a box I like to have the number
    on the back sticking up, so when I look through the box I can see the numbers better (rather than being on the top), this works fine except for the manager
    cards which are upside down.

    I still am baffled that there is no real one autograph checklist.

    Kevin >>



    I assume you mean a card of the checklist....but if not....

    AUTOGRAPHED CARDS
    Real One
    ROA-BT Bobby Thomson
    ROA-NC Nelson Chittum
    ROA-BG Buddy Gilbert
    ROA-WL Whitey Lockman
    ROA-CT Chuck Tanner
    ROA-JH Jack Harshman
    ROA-BTH Bill Harris
    ROA-BR Bob Rush
    ROA-SL Stan Lopata
    ROA-JM Justin Masterson
    ROA-JB Jay Bruce
    ROA-FC Fausto Carmona
    ROA-MG Mat Gamel
    ROA-CK Clayton Kershaw

    Real One Special Edition
    Same subjects as above

    Real One Dual Autographs
    RODA-HA Ryan Howard/Sparky Anderson
    RODA-BL Jay Bruce/Whitey Lockman
    RODA-GL Mat Gamel/Stan Lopata
    RODA-KH Clayton Kershaw/Bill Harris
    RODA-MC Justin Masterson/Nelson Chittum
    RODA-CH Fausto Carmona/Jack Harshman
    RODA-BG Jay Bruce/Buddy Gilbert
    RODA-GR Mat Gamel/Bob Rush
    RODA-CH Fausto Carmona/Bob Hartman
    RODA-MT Justin Masterson/Bobby Thomson >>






    hmmm there's still hope - ssdawg77 pulled one not on that checklist
  • TNP777TNP777 Posts: 5,710 ✭✭✭
    So did Joe & I - Wayne Terwilliger. Unfortunately, that checklist can't be trusted.
  • kuhlmannkuhlmann Posts: 3,326 ✭✭
    another auto i dont see on that list?

    image
  • kuhlmannkuhlmann Posts: 3,326 ✭✭
    different mantle seat relic.. gonna be alot of surprizes in here i think..

    imageill ask again does anyone know if dan murphy of the mets is in this set?
  • nam812nam812 Posts: 10,583 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>different mantle seat relic........ >>



    That's because no one wants to see Mickey Mantle with a glove in his hand.
  • kuhlmannkuhlmann Posts: 3,326 ✭✭
    and another auto not on that list...


    image


  • << <i>ill ask again does anyone know if dan murphy of the mets is in this set? >>



    according to my checklist (which has been proven to not be complete) he is #179
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  • TNP777TNP777 Posts: 5,710 ✭✭✭
    Chris, I think I saw a Daniel Murphy card when we were ripping, but I can't swear to it.

    Who had the Excel-based checklist, anyway?
  • nam812nam812 Posts: 10,583 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Topps Heritage thread post counts from years past:

    2008 - 2095
    2007 - 1898
    2006 - 1045
    2005 - 1000

    How high will 2009 go?
  • zep33zep33 Posts: 6,897 ✭✭✭
    there's a Daniel Murphy card
  • zep33zep33 Posts: 6,897 ✭✭✭
    Hi Nick
  • zep33zep33 Posts: 6,897 ✭✭✭
    box 5 - finished base set

    9 SPs
    5 chrome
    1 ref - Gallardo

    image
  • kuhlmannkuhlmann Posts: 3,326 ✭✭
    Thanks hope to have my case friday.. seat relics look good. i did the 57 heritage seat set. still need musial. might sell it off and do this one now as it looks better to me.
  • nam812nam812 Posts: 10,583 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>box 5.......... >>



    Of case 1??? Amateur.
  • kmnortonkmnorton Posts: 1,050 ✭✭✭
    Pumpsie checking in. I have the kids tonight, so I won't scan until later, but stopped at the close-to-home shop (vs. Work local shop) and grabbed six quick packs to look at before picking up up rugrats. 2 chrome (Pettitte and Gallardo), 1 GU (Carl Crawford) and 1 Black (Mat Gamel). I kind of think that box is toast.
    IWTDMBII
  • Pretty good haul for six packs Pumpsie.
  • BunchOBullBunchOBull Posts: 6,188 ✭✭✭
    Once again, Frank is an SP in the base set...have any of you seen him in Chrome form?
    Collector of most things Frank Thomas. www.BigHurtHOF.com
  • 09 Heritage Checklist

    this will take you to an Excel file to download
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  • kuhlmannkuhlmann Posts: 3,326 ✭✭
    1 Black (Mat Gamel) wow quit while your way ahead. 6 packs and a black nice!!
  • joestalinjoestalin Posts: 12,473 ✭✭
    man that ink list is weak, looks like topps shot their wad with 08 update.

    I have not see a Hurt chrome yet...plenty of Dodgers though!

    I can't believe that they paired Taylor Phillips with Ryan Howard.

    Kevin
  • jimradjimrad Posts: 2,777 ✭✭✭


    << <i>Topps Heritage thread post counts from years past:

    2008 - 2095
    2007 - 1898
    2006 - 1045
    2005 - 1000

    How high will 2009 go? >>



    Hi Nick........Is this a contest you're starting?
    I'm almost done with my 1960 set and now I have to build this one........geeezzzzz..
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  • joestalinjoestalin Posts: 12,473 ✭✭
    whoa, where did you get that excel checklist? The topps site is not right and the checklists included in the product are incomplete. Those double relics are going
    to be crazy.

    Kevin
  • I got it from one of my distributors
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  • joestalinjoestalin Posts: 12,473 ✭✭
    That list is based upon topps pre order list, which they changed quite a bit. To my knowledge Sparky Anderson is no where to be found in this product.

    Kevin


  • << <i>That list is based upon topps pre order list, which they changed quite a bit. To my knowledge Sparky Anderson is no where to be found in this product.

    Kevin >>



    good to know!

    please ignore any info I have given in this thread!!!!!!
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  • joestalinjoestalin Posts: 12,473 ✭✭
    Harshman/Carmona dual auto just showed up as a redemption which we can assume that Harshman regular autos are also redemptions....along with
    the one redemption already pulled makes 2 redemptions in a small auto checklist.

    So far live autos are:

    Carmona
    Taylor Phillips
    Masterson

    Im sure others.

  • TNP777TNP777 Posts: 5,710 ✭✭✭
    <sigh>

    Terwilliger, Terwilliger, a thousand times Terwilliger.

    Disappointing enough to only pull the one blue auto, but to have him ignored is too much! image
  • ssdawg77ssdawg77 Posts: 1,196 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Beckett online has complete checklists available.
  • joestalinjoestalin Posts: 12,473 ✭✭


    << <i><sigh>

    Terwilliger, Terwilliger, a thousand times Terwilliger.

    Disappointing enough to only pull the one blue auto, but to have him ignored is too much! image >>




    would look good in my box!

    Kevin
  • TNP777TNP777 Posts: 5,710 ✭✭✭
    OK, so because my retail case should be here next week, I didn't bring home any Dodger commons to stare at in the meantime, at least not until Joe gets his 1-425s sorted. I did bring home an empty hobby box and wrapper for my collection, plus Joe surprised me with this:

    image

    I've been slowly building a stack of '60s, with the intention of someday officially posting the '60 set on my wantlist. Nice to get one of the biggies out of the way! Plus, it's in the perfect shape to fit in with the rest of my ragged vintage! image

    A public shoutout to Joe - thanks for the great Yaz, and for letting me help you break your case. It was a lot of fun.
  • Anyone interested in my Whitey Lockman Relic Auto redemption?
  • zep33zep33 Posts: 6,897 ✭✭✭
    sweet Yaz
  • joestalinjoestalin Posts: 12,473 ✭✭
    I just saw the beckett list...wtf, where is Ryan Howard???

    Kevin
  • Here is the list of Real One Autos according to Beckett. There are 35 different ones (not counting duals):

    Art Ceccarelli
    Art Schult
    Buddy Gilbert
    Ben Johnson
    Bob Rush
    Bill Harris
    Clayton Kershaw
    Carl Mathias
    Cal Neeman
    Curt Raydon
    Dick Gray
    Don Williams
    Fausto Carmona
    Gil McDougald
    Irv Noren
    Jay Bruce
    Johnny Groth
    Jack Harshman
    Justin Masterson
    Jim Proctor
    John Romonosky
    Joe Shipley
    Jake Striker
    Mat Gamel
    Mike Lee
    Nelson Chittum
    Red Wilson
    Ron Samford
    Ray Webster
    Steve Korchek
    Stan Lopata
    Taylor Phillips
    Ted Wieland
    Whitey Lockman
    Wayne Terwilliger

    I'll be getting my Heritage tomorrow - can't wait guys!!!

    Craig in Texas
  • joestalinjoestalin Posts: 12,473 ✭✭
    No Ryan Howard auto and no Sparky Anderson auto. That is weak.

    The cut autos are listed as 1:250,000.....there are two on the topps checklist, so can we assume that the total print run for this
    stuff is half a million packs? That is only 1,770 cases. Not a lot, we need to see if they let the presses run for retail or if that
    includes retail.

    Kevin
  • nam812nam812 Posts: 10,583 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Im no math genius or anything, but there are 10 cut autos this year just like last year, and last year the cut auto odds were 1:98,200

    This year the odds are 1:250,000 for a cut auto which tells me there are roughly 2.5X more hobby packs this year. That's a lot of hobby packs.
  • TNP777TNP777 Posts: 5,710 ✭✭✭
    I'm no math genius either - correct me if I'm wrong. 10 cuts seeded at 1:250000 = 2,500,000 hobby packs. 2,500,000/288 packs = approx 8680 cases, right? I must be wrong - that seems like a LOT of product.
  • zep33zep33 Posts: 6,897 ✭✭✭
    box 6

    8 SPs
    4 chrome
    1 ref. - Dunn

    image
  • That "Old Zep Magic" better make an appearance soon!
  • joestalinjoestalin Posts: 12,473 ✭✭
    The topps website lists only two cuts...Mantle and a TBD.

    That is a total of 500,000 packs, IF retail odds are the same. That is pretty limited yes, but topps cut huge corners valuewise here. How do you follow up
    this:

    Al Kaline
    Dustin Pedoria
    Duke Snider
    Frank Robinson
    Gevany Soto
    Jay Bruce
    Jim Kaat
    Orlando Cepeda


    with this:

    Lockman
    Rush
    Harshman
    Chittum
    Gilbert

    ??Bobby Thompson was one of the lesser valued autos in 2001, today it might be the best pull of the lot. I know you are sick of me talking about the ink
    in the set, but man cmon topps, we are loyal here, throw us a bone!

  • nam812nam812 Posts: 10,583 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>That is a total of 500,000 packs, IF retail odds are the same....... >>



    Retail packs usually do not have cut autos inserted in them.
  • DavidPuddyDavidPuddy Posts: 3,485 ✭✭✭
    Topps must really be trying to cut costs. That's the only reason I can come up with.
    They tanked on the Mayo autos, likewise with the Heritage.

    "The Sipe market is ridiculous right now"
    CDsNuts, 1/9/15
  • joestalinjoestalin Posts: 12,473 ✭✭


    << <i>

    << <i>That is a total of 500,000 packs, IF retail odds are the same....... >>



    Retail packs usually do not have cut autos inserted in them. >>



    so 500,000 total hobby packs or 1,736 cases plus retail. I can't remember what some of the other print have been.

    Kevin
  • joestalinjoestalin Posts: 12,473 ✭✭
    There is a 300 dollar difference now between the price of a case of 08 Heritage Update and 09 Heritage! WOW
  • TNP777TNP777 Posts: 5,710 ✭✭✭
    Since no online checklist can be trusted, is it 2 cuts or 10? What do your in-hand team card checklists say, Kevin?
  • joestalinjoestalin Posts: 12,473 ✭✭
    My checklists don't list the cuts. dang.

    Im going to do some math..brb

    Kevin
  • joestalinjoestalin Posts: 12,473 ✭✭
    Ok, the only set that is hobby exclusive that I can tell production run are the Clubouse Collection Dual Autograph Relics. They are numbered to 10 and
    there are 5 different cards in the set...that is 50 total cards which pull once every 10,200 packs..for a total of: 510,000 packs.

    My theory is complete, there are roughly half a million packs of 09 topps heritage hobby. The 10 cuts listed on the sales sheet is obvious BS as is two of the
    cards pictured...Howard/Sparky Dual auto and Papi/Ted Williams dual GU.

    Now if they printed just as much retail then this product will have endless supply. What do you guys think? Im not a math major.

    Kevin
  • zep33zep33 Posts: 6,897 ✭✭✭
    box 7 - last one for tonight

    9 SPs
    3 chrome
    1 ref. McCann

    image

    rip will restart around 5:30 AM


  • SidePocketSidePocket Posts: 2,901 ✭✭✭
    GU bat from Kurt Suzuki?

    2008 statistics:

    Avg HR RBI Runs
    .279 7 42 54

    "Molon Labe"

  • joestalinjoestalin Posts: 12,473 ✭✭
    wow could 09 topps heritage even keep Zep from pulling something amazing, probably not, but right now Heritage has the lead on Zep. Ill have to set
    my alarm!

    Kevin
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