Went to my local card shop today. Bought his last box of '09 heritage. Don't think I did too bad.
1 Buy Back. Tex Clevenger. very good condition only 1 ding on lower right corner Chrome c48 JJ Hardy c46 Alfonso Soriano c35 Cole Hamels c7 Ian Kinsler c18 Brad Lidge
1 Chrome refractor c50 Ryan Howard 191/560
High Numbers 438 Chris Coste 430 Kevin Slowey 498 Ben Sheets 485 Alex Rodriguez 447 Adrian Beltre 453 Ryan Dempster 439 Daisuke Matsuzaka 463 Dodgers Coaches
For the past few years, I have bought two twelve box hobby cases and always seem to come up four or five sp's short of a master set. Since I've yet to get my cases yet this year, I wondered if those of you who had opened cases have had better luck at assembling a master set. Two cases should be 192 short prints (eight per box), which should be more than enough to get the complete seventy five card sp set.
For those of you that have already opened boxes/cases, am I right in understanding that there are *no* base set variations this year? There were multiple poses on the front in '05 (1956) and '06 (1957), yellow name/team variants in '07 (1958) and green & black backs last year (1959). There were gray and white backs in 1960 Topps, they don't have a subset of base cards with back variations this year?
<< <i>For the past few years, I have bought two twelve box hobby cases and always seem to come up four or five sp's short of a master set. Since I've yet to get my cases yet this year, I wondered if those of you who had opened cases have had better luck at assembling a master set. Two cases should be 192 short prints (eight per box), which should be more than enough to get the complete seventy five card sp set. >>
I've only gotten 2 SPs that I needed through the first 6 boxes of case 2. Not looking good for a master set through 2 cases
still need 15 SPs and 1 New Age with 6 boxes to go
I am examining all of my duplicates checking for any kind of variations. So far, there are none whatsoever. Kind of disappointing if you ask me. However, last year's super short prints were about 1 in 3 cases if I remember correctly.
Don't have access to a scanner right now, but grabbed another box today and got ink. Stan Lapato (blue ink), plus the usual suspects and one of the chromes was of griffey.
If anybody gets a Lincecum or Cain chrome/Refractor (I know Lincy's in the set, not sure about Cain), can you let me know?
Hit two wally worlds and a target and no dice. I didn't open a box of 09 regular topps and I pulled all black cards..is this right?
I predict Monday this thread is going to blow up.
As far as other short prints, to create them that takes effort, so far I am seeing little effort by topps here on this product. I think we might be done at 75 sp's this year.
Here's an interesting note: The Aramis Ramirez chrome card has his full and last name....doesn't mean anything yet, but maybe there will be a base card variation.
as for mayo's they aren't numbered, they are listed on the back as WME-xx where xx is the players initials. I would assume that WME is walmart exclusive.
and someone here is correct - no where on the card does it say topps heritage.
- david ortiz - david wright - pujols - lincecum - longoria - manny - vlad - dice-k - josh hamilton - grady sizemore
<< <i>Matt & Kevin, what happened to the cards you were going to pick up. I need my fix for the evening so show me some scans! >>
Sorry they are sitting here, I needed to eat, start some laundry, now I'm cleaning off my desk from that 80s Recession Wax Rip from a week ago or so. I never put those cards up....Almost done then its rip and scan time!!!
<< <i>Matt & Kevin, what happened to the cards you were going to pick up. I need my fix for the evening so show me some scans! >>
Sorry they are sitting here, I needed to eat, start some laundry, now I'm cleaning off my desk from that 80s Recession Wax Rip from a week ago or so. I never put those cards up....Almost done then its rip and scan time!!! >>
<< <i>Here's an interesting note: The Aramis Ramirez chrome card has his full and last name....doesn't mean anything yet, but maybe there will be a base card variation.
as for mayo's they aren't numbered, they are listed on the back as WME-xx where xx is the players initials. I would assume that WME is walmart exclusive.
and someone here is correct - no where on the card does it say topps heritage. >>
That was me - I would absolutely put them in my set if they had the logo. They are nice looking cards, though.
ok, big news that you will hear only here. I just talked to someone who opened 4300+ packs..yes that is right 4300 packs!
There are no super sp's or any kind of lower # sp's
and it appears that the blue ink autos are much rarer than they have been in the past, this of course will have to be watched, but I have noticed a lot more red autos up than blue and at 200 in the past, that trend should not be showing itself.
My inserts were evenly distributed.. 8 SPs, 4 Chromes, 1 Chrome Refractor, 1 Then & Now, 1 New Age Performer, 2 Flashbacks, 2 News Flashbacks, and a Game Used... Here are the Highlights: (Oswalt is the Refractor)
Looks like Jack Harshman signed his base real one autos, but kept the relics and duals, which are redemptions. Don't hold your breath on these.
Agree with Kevin 100%. Complete lack of effort on Topps' part. I am so done with that company, and will not be ripping any wax. I am still waiting on a Tim Lincecum / Hideki Okajima dual auto from '52 Rookies 16 months after it was redeemed. I am still on the fence about even buying any new Heritage cards on ebay. Something sounds nice about focusing ONLY on the Topps Heritage sets from 2001-2009 (the 1950's designs.) It is actually possibly a completable project one day. This may be the year that Heritage jumped the shark. I would have initially said that the turning point was the 07 chrome set, but the 08 chromes were great, and Heritage update was loaded. Other than a solid (?) chrome checklist, 09 Heritage boxes seem like a good way to flush $75. Even if you pull the auto (the case hit), you will be lucky to break even. They may be great looking cards, but I can get great looking cards from a $10 blaster of base Topps. Either improve the quality or lower the price point.
Remember when you could pull autos of players like this from Topps Heritage?
Hank Aaron
Willie Mays
Alex Rodriguez
Roger Clemens
Al Kaline
Duke freaking Snider (every year)
Yogi Berra
Frank Robinson
Show me a single hall of famer, or a modern player who will receive votes for sure. In 2005, Monte Irvin was almost considered a base Real One auto. This year, he would be the hit of the checklist.
I said it before, and I'll say it again. Absolute garbage. I know this set is mainly about short prints, but they didn't even try to give us that this year. No variations or challenges for people who actually care about the set. If you knew that you couldn't pull any "hits" from this product (ie, no autos, GU, or chromes/refs/blacks), how much would you be willing to pay per box? I think a dollar a pack sounds about right.
<< <i>Finished my jumbo case rip. here are the tallies:
In 120 jumbo packs: ($337 dlvd)
- 30 mayo inserts (including 2 full sets) - 8 refractors (expected 7.5) - 21 chrome (expected 20) - maybin bat relic - 1 per 216 - mantle seat relic - 1 per 216 - aparicio seat relic - 16 nap - expected 15 - 17 fb - expected 20 - 18 news - expected 20 - 17 t&n - expected 15 - 58 short prints - ?? must be about 1 per 2 packs on average - blue ink - cal neeman - 1 per 318 packs, so beat the odds here
That was a loaded case....at least as loaded as heritage gets i think.
i think retail is the way to go here for sure. and if i may comment on the cards.....I don't like them. yes, they got the design perfectly matching 1960, but the photography once again is piss-poor. Its not as bad as last year...where they seemed to do grainy blowups of most cards. Every single card has a washed-out dull color to them....like they were stone-washed in the 80s. Go back and look at 2005 heritage...those cards are perfect....great action shots, great head shots, and just top notch clear photography, with no photoshop tricks to make them pseudo-old.
By the way in 1960 they have both gray and white backs. >>
How do you get a retail case for 337.00 dlvd??? LMK.
I have been collecting this set since it first launched in 2001 and I have had some awsome autograph pulls from hobby and retail. I pulled top name people like Preacher Roe red and Rizzuto in 2001. Willie Mays in 2002, Ernie Banks blue in 2003, Al Kaline in 2004, Ernie Banks red in 2005, Yogi Berra in 2006. Now in the past couple years it seems like there are nothin but scrubs. I wonder if it has anything to do with the new owner of Topps, Michael Eisner, who was the chief of Disney. He bought the Topps Co last year for $385 million in hopes of turning it around. I think he is doing the opposite. Since he took over I noticed the change in Heritage, over production, no big name autos, making update sets. I think the only way to get or keep people really interested in this product is for Mr. Eisner to open his fat check book and pay the lords of baseball for their sigs. Enough of this "who the f*%# is that" autograph cards! I see it as a good thing that I screwed on my case from LR Cards. It saved me money and anger. I will still build my master set this year but will try to do it with retail. I usually go overboard and spend a few thousand dollars every year on this crap. Now I am not so sure, it just isn't worth it anymore. But I'm still an addict
<< <i>. If you knew that you couldn't pull any "hits" from this product (ie, no autos, GU, or chromes/refs/blacks), how much would you be willing to pay per box? I think a dollar a pack sounds about right. >>
I think that could be said about any product, right?
That being said, I completely agree with you Jeff. The "hits" in this product just aren't that special anymore. From Mays and Aaron to now is like night and day.
I'm enjoying looking at the box breaks and certainly don't want to rain on anyones parade here, but I've been on the fence about buying Heritage this year, and I certainly don't like what I've seen and heard yet.
These boxes will definately come down in price, and won't hold near the same value as the '01 and '02 do, which makes sense. There's simply not as much in them.
Well I have gone through every card I have looking for some kind of variation and I have not found anything unfortunately. I did notice an error but it is uncorrected. It is on Andy Pettitte's card. His name is misspelled on the front. I need a few SPs to complete the 500 card set so I will be posting my want list and trade list soon.
If anyone can post the odds for a regular retail pack and a retail blaster pack -- I would appreciate it! Thank you to Jim for posting the retail jumbo wrapper! I'm trying to determine if I should buy more hobby or retail and right now I am leaning towards retail since I really did not do that great on my hobby case although the Kaline buyback was nice!
I have no idea but if you look at the auction now, the seller changed their Buy It Now -- except he raised it higher!!! Why is this? I can not figure out why he would do this but here is the ebay link for those who might be able to answer the question...
<< <i>I have no idea but if you look at the auction now, the seller changed their Buy It Now -- except he raised it higher!!! Why is this? I can not figure out why he would do this but here is the ebay link for those who might be able to answer the question...
Let's do some trading, I have plenty of base sp's and chrome available. i need the following:
426 Scott Rolen 431 Jason Bartlett 436 Billy Butler 439 Daisuke Matsuzaka 442 Joe Mauer 445 John Smoltz 447 Adrian Beltre 453 Ryan Dempster 456 Brad Mills 460 Jeff Datz 475 Derek Lowe 483 Dustin Pedroia AS 487 Derek Jeter AS 488 Hanley Ramirez AS 489 Josh Hamilton AS 499 Cliff Lee AS 500 Billy Wagner AS NAP1 David Wright NAP11 Cole Hamels NAP15 Evan Longoria NF10 Polaris Missle TN3 Minnie Minoso C1 Manny Ramirez C2 Andre Ethier C4 Nick Markakis C6 Grady Sizemore C9 Jonathan Papelbon C10 Albert Pujols C11 Carlos Beltran C12 David Price C14 Derek Jeter C15 Mark Teixeira C16 Aramis Ramirez C19 Johnny Cueto C20 David Wright C21 Mat Gamel C22 B.J. Upton C25 Scott Kazmir C29 Rick Ankiel C32 Felix Hernandez C37 Kosuke Fu*udome C38 Justin Upton C39 John Lackey C42 Alex Rios C45 Hanley Ramirez C49 James Loney C53 Miguel Cabrera C55 Russell Martin C59 Andy Pettitte C60 Francisco Rodriguez C61 Vernon Wells C63 Joe Saunders C65 Ken Griffey Jr. C67 Edinson Volquez C68 Phil Hughes C72 Adrian Gonzalez C74 Brad Penny C75 Dustin Pedroia C78 Kila Ka'aihue C82 Travis Snider C83 Adam Dunn C85 Jay Bruce C86 Ryan Doumit C87 Tim Lincecum C91 Carlos Zambrano C93 Alex Gordon C95 Carlos Quentin C96 Xavier Nady C97 Max Scherzer C98 Hiroki Kuroda C100 Alex Rodriguez
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1 Buy Back. Tex Clevenger. very good condition only 1 ding on lower right corner
Chrome
c48 JJ Hardy
c46 Alfonso Soriano
c35 Cole Hamels
c7 Ian Kinsler
c18 Brad Lidge
1 Chrome refractor
c50 Ryan Howard 191/560
High Numbers
438 Chris Coste
430 Kevin Slowey
498 Ben Sheets
485 Alex Rodriguez
447 Adrian Beltre
453 Ryan Dempster
439 Daisuke Matsuzaka
463 Dodgers Coaches
1 Red Ink
Jack Harshman roa-jh 49/60
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<< <i>For the past few years, I have bought two twelve box hobby cases and always seem to come up four or five sp's short of a master set. Since I've yet to get my cases yet this year, I wondered if those of you who had opened cases have had better luck at assembling a master set. Two cases should be 192 short prints (eight per box), which should be more than enough to get the complete seventy five card sp set. >>
I've only gotten 2 SPs that I needed through the first 6 boxes of case 2. Not looking good for a master set through 2 cases
still need 15 SPs and 1 New Age with 6 boxes to go
9 SPs
4 chrome
1 ref
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If anybody gets a Lincecum or Cain chrome/Refractor (I know Lincy's in the set, not sure about Cain), can you let me know?
Pumpsie
8 SPs (1 needed)
4 chrome
1 ref
"Molon Labe"
Has a Mayo checklist been made?
<< <i>I don't think this has been posted...so I'll ask.]
Has a Mayo checklist been made? >>
parkerj has two full sets, so he should be able to list all 10 players included.
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I predict Monday this thread is going to blow up.
As far as other short prints, to create them that takes effort, so far I am seeing little effort by topps here on this product. I think we might be done
at 75 sp's this year.
Kevin
What the heck happened to topps on this product? WOW
Kevin
as for mayo's they aren't numbered, they are listed on the back as WME-xx where xx is the players initials. I would assume that WME is walmart exclusive.
and someone here is correct - no where on the card does it say topps heritage.
- david ortiz
- david wright
- pujols
- lincecum
- longoria
- manny
- vlad
- dice-k
- josh hamilton
- grady sizemore
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<< <i>Matt & Kevin, what happened to the cards you were going to pick up. I need my fix for the evening so show me some scans! >>
Sorry they are sitting here, I needed to eat, start some laundry, now I'm cleaning off my desk from that 80s Recession Wax Rip from a week ago or so. I never put those cards up....Almost done then its rip and scan time!!!
What I'm selling
Building Sets, Collecting Texas Rangers, and Texas Tech Red Raiders
<< <i>
<< <i>Matt & Kevin, what happened to the cards you were going to pick up. I need my fix for the evening so show me some scans! >>
Sorry they are sitting here, I needed to eat, start some laundry, now I'm cleaning off my desk from that 80s Recession Wax Rip from a week ago or so. I never put those cards up....Almost done then its rip and scan time!!! >>
can you give us an ETOR?
(estimated time of rippage)?
Thanks
Kevin
<< <i>can you give us an ETOR? >>
Less than 20 minutes....
What I'm selling
Building Sets, Collecting Texas Rangers, and Texas Tech Red Raiders
<< <i>Here's an interesting note: The Aramis Ramirez chrome card has his full and last name....doesn't mean anything yet, but maybe there will be a base card variation.
as for mayo's they aren't numbered, they are listed on the back as WME-xx where xx is the players initials. I would assume that WME is walmart exclusive.
and someone here is correct - no where on the card does it say topps heritage. >>
That was me - I would absolutely put them in my set if they had the logo. They are nice looking cards, though.
Dodgers collection scans | Brett Butler registry | 1978 Dodgers - straight 9s, homie
There are no super sp's or any kind of lower # sp's
and it appears that the blue ink autos are much rarer than they have been in the past, this of course will have to be watched, but I have noticed a lot more
red autos up than blue and at 200 in the past, that trend should not be showing itself.
Can't wait for the rip!
Kevin
<< <i>ok, big news that you will hear only here. I just talked to someone who opened 4300+ packs..yes that is right 4300 packs!
>>
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<< <i>
<< <i>can you give us an ETOR? >>
Less than 20 minutes.... >>
Its been 20 minutes! LOL
Kevin
What I'm selling
Building Sets, Collecting Texas Rangers, and Texas Tech Red Raiders
8 SPs, 4 Chromes, 1 Chrome Refractor, 1 Then & Now, 1 New Age Performer, 2 Flashbacks, 2 News Flashbacks, and a Game Used...
Here are the Highlights:
(Oswalt is the Refractor)
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Scans in the morning. I am going out for booze.
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Building Sets, Collecting Texas Rangers, and Texas Tech Red Raiders
Marvelous Marv (pretty good shape all around and the centering is nice)
Stan Lopata Auto
I'm quite sure there will be more to follow
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Agree with Kevin 100%. Complete lack of effort on Topps' part. I am so done with that company, and will not be ripping any wax. I am still waiting on a Tim Lincecum / Hideki Okajima dual auto from '52 Rookies 16 months after it was redeemed. I am still on the fence about even buying any new Heritage cards on ebay. Something sounds nice about focusing ONLY on the Topps Heritage sets from 2001-2009 (the 1950's designs.) It is actually possibly a completable project one day. This may be the year that Heritage jumped the shark. I would have initially said that the turning point was the 07 chrome set, but the 08 chromes were great, and Heritage update was loaded. Other than a solid (?) chrome checklist, 09 Heritage boxes seem like a good way to flush $75. Even if you pull the auto (the case hit), you will be lucky to break even. They may be great looking cards, but I can get great looking cards from a $10 blaster of base Topps. Either improve the quality or lower the price point.
Hank Aaron
Willie Mays
Alex Rodriguez
Roger Clemens
Al Kaline
Duke freaking Snider (every year)
Yogi Berra
Frank Robinson
Show me a single hall of famer, or a modern player who will receive votes for sure. In 2005, Monte Irvin was almost considered a base Real One auto. This year, he would be the hit of the checklist.
I said it before, and I'll say it again. Absolute garbage. I know this set is mainly about short prints, but they didn't even try to give us that this year. No variations or challenges for people who actually care about the set. If you knew that you couldn't pull any "hits" from this product (ie, no autos, GU, or chromes/refs/blacks), how much would you be willing to pay per box? I think a dollar a pack sounds about right.
7 SPs
4 chrome
2 ref
<< <i>Finished my jumbo case rip. here are the tallies:
In 120 jumbo packs: ($337 dlvd)
- 30 mayo inserts (including 2 full sets)
- 8 refractors (expected 7.5)
- 21 chrome (expected 20)
- maybin bat relic - 1 per 216
- mantle seat relic - 1 per 216
- aparicio seat relic
- 16 nap - expected 15
- 17 fb - expected 20
- 18 news - expected 20
- 17 t&n - expected 15
- 58 short prints - ?? must be about 1 per 2 packs on average
- blue ink - cal neeman - 1 per 318 packs, so beat the odds here
That was a loaded case....at least as loaded as heritage gets i think.
i think retail is the way to go here for sure. and if i may comment on the cards.....I don't like them. yes, they got the design perfectly matching 1960, but the photography once again is piss-poor. Its not as bad as last year...where they seemed to do grainy blowups of most cards. Every single card has a washed-out dull color to them....like they were stone-washed in the 80s. Go back and look at 2005 heritage...those cards are perfect....great action shots, great head shots, and just top notch clear photography, with no photoshop tricks to make them pseudo-old.
By the way in 1960 they have both gray and white backs. >>
How do you get a retail case for 337.00 dlvd??? LMK.
<< <i>. If you knew that you couldn't pull any "hits" from this product (ie, no autos, GU, or chromes/refs/blacks), how much would you be willing to pay per box? I think a dollar a pack sounds about right. >>
I think that could be said about any product, right?
That being said, I completely agree with you Jeff. The "hits" in this product just aren't that special anymore. From Mays and Aaron to now is like night and day.
I'm enjoying looking at the box breaks and certainly don't want to rain on anyones parade here, but I've been on the fence about buying Heritage this year, and I certainly don't like what I've seen and heard yet.
These boxes will definately come down in price, and won't hold near the same value as the '01 and '02 do, which makes sense. There's simply not as much in them.
Just my two cents.
If anyone can post the odds for a regular retail pack and a retail blaster pack -- I would appreciate it! Thank you to Jim for posting the retail jumbo wrapper! I'm trying to determine if I should buy more hobby or retail and right now I am leaning towards retail since I really did not do that great on my hobby case although the Kaline buyback was nice!
Craig in Texas
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2009 Topps Heritage #42 Pablo Sandoval
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<< <i>That the heck is this about
2009 Topps Heritage Pablo Sandoval #42 SF Giants RC SP buy it now of $99???? >>
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<< <i>I have no idea but if you look at the auction now, the seller changed their Buy It Now -- except he raised it higher!!! Why is this? I can not figure out why he would do this but here is the ebay link for those who might be able to answer the question...
2009 Topps Heritage #42 Pablo Sandoval
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<< <i>That the heck is this about
2009 Topps Heritage Pablo Sandoval #42 SF Giants RC SP buy it now of $99???? >>
>>
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<< <i>Cory- What part of the country did you see retail at Target.? Also is $70 (plus ten for shipping) a fair price for retail jumbo box? >>
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My Sandberg Topps Master set
426 Scott Rolen
431 Jason Bartlett
436 Billy Butler
439 Daisuke Matsuzaka
442 Joe Mauer
445 John Smoltz
447 Adrian Beltre
453 Ryan Dempster
456 Brad Mills
460 Jeff Datz
475 Derek Lowe
483 Dustin Pedroia AS
487 Derek Jeter AS
488 Hanley Ramirez AS
489 Josh Hamilton AS
499 Cliff Lee AS
500 Billy Wagner AS
NAP1 David Wright
NAP11 Cole Hamels
NAP15 Evan Longoria
NF10 Polaris Missle
TN3 Minnie Minoso
C1 Manny Ramirez
C2 Andre Ethier
C4 Nick Markakis
C6 Grady Sizemore
C9 Jonathan Papelbon
C10 Albert Pujols
C11 Carlos Beltran
C12 David Price
C14 Derek Jeter
C15 Mark Teixeira
C16 Aramis Ramirez
C19 Johnny Cueto
C20 David Wright
C21 Mat Gamel
C22 B.J. Upton
C25 Scott Kazmir
C29 Rick Ankiel
C32 Felix Hernandez
C37 Kosuke Fu*udome
C38 Justin Upton
C39 John Lackey
C42 Alex Rios
C45 Hanley Ramirez
C49 James Loney
C53 Miguel Cabrera
C55 Russell Martin
C59 Andy Pettitte
C60 Francisco Rodriguez
C61 Vernon Wells
C63 Joe Saunders
C65 Ken Griffey Jr.
C67 Edinson Volquez
C68 Phil Hughes
C72 Adrian Gonzalez
C74 Brad Penny
C75 Dustin Pedroia
C78 Kila Ka'aihue
C82 Travis Snider
C83 Adam Dunn
C85 Jay Bruce
C86 Ryan Doumit
C87 Tim Lincecum
C91 Carlos Zambrano
C93 Alex Gordon
C95 Carlos Quentin
C96 Xavier Nady
C97 Max Scherzer
C98 Hiroki Kuroda
C100 Alex Rodriguez
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Some of us do not even have our boxes yet and you are ready for trading????