1984 Donruss Baseball - the unofficial but legal thread

Piman58 · February 6, 2008 9:28AM

Official page turn please.

ArnyVee · February 6, 2008 9:45AM

<< I know, it's torture. lol I have never heard of a sub taking this long. I't a little ridiculous. Especially for someone like yourself who's been such a solid customer of PSA. Maybe it will pop soon. >>

Well, I didn't renew my PSA membership. But, I piggybacked on another 'solid' member's order. So, together we have something around 150 cards with my portion being around 95 cards IIRC.

I'll just have to try and keep my mind off of it.....somehow.

Edited to add: This was post #2000 for this thread! We have some amazing cards and a pretty good following on this thread. Congrats to all!

Spahnfan · February 6, 2008 2:51PM

For any 84 Donruss collectors, I listed most of my duplicates, with prices I would sell them for, on the Buy-Sell-Trade board. Take a look if you are interested.

Arny, I kept out the ones you still need. Hope your submission pops in our lifetime.

Ichiro51fan · February 7, 2008 3:37AM

For those who are interested, I've posted my 3 low-pop PSA-10's (Rogers/Stenhouse/Bell) on ebay:

84 Donruss Rogers #219 - PSA-10

84 Donruss Bell #56 - PSA-10

84 Donruss Stenhouse No # - PSA-10

I've also got a few low-pop 9's (Butcher/Bowa/Griffin) that I will be posting soon.

ArnyVee · February 7, 2008 10:42AM

<< Arny, I kept out the ones you still need. Hope your submission pops in our lifetime. >>

That makes 2 of us! Sheesh.

Thanks for keeping those for me!

Rangerman · February 7, 2008 3:03PM

Spahnfan PM sent on your 84D sale. I have eight PSA 10's (9, 14, 304, 357, 407, 599, 603, 632) that you need in my 84Donruss set ----- the Rangers are not available though. Thanks--Tony

Spahnfan · February 8, 2008 1:19PM

Thanks Rangerman. I sent you a PM.

Rangerman · February 8, 2008 1:35PM

Spahnfan-------- PM back to you-----Thanks-Tony

BrentR · February 9, 2008 1:39AM

Wow Ichirofan! Your Low pop 10's are getting serious bids quick! Congrats!

ArnyVee · February 9, 2008 1:53AM

<< Wow Ichirofan! Your Low pop 10's are getting serious bids quick! Congrats! >>

Ain't that the truth! We told you

All three of them are at $150 or better! Hope you break $300 on the Rogers!! Good luck!

Ichiro51fan · February 9, 2008 5:58AM

Yeah, I couldn't believe that when I checked on them this morning. I figured the Rogers was a lock for $200 or more but I'm a bit surprised the other to are as high as they are already... especially the pop-4 Stenhouse. Looks like a couple of new players in the fray, plus pjpmint appears to have gotten really serious on these. Well, we'll see what happens but even if they ended at what they are at now, I'd still be very happy.

ArnyVee · February 9, 2008 9:42AM

Those guys are making it real tempting to sell off my low pop 10s. That's for sure.

BrentR · February 10, 2008 4:53AM

The Ron Kittle DK PSA 10 on ebay went for $476.66!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! The end of the world is near.

ArnyVee · February 10, 2008 1:37PM

That can't be right for the Kittle. My goodness.

BrentR · February 10, 2008 3:52PM

I wish it weren't. Here is the link.

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=360020914752&ssPageName=STRK:MEWA:IT&ih=023

ArnyVee · February 11, 2008 12:36PM

Brent, haven't you been tempted to sell off some 10s and pick them up later with these prices? I know that I have.

BrentR · February 11, 2008 1:30PM

Yes, I'm seriously considering it. The Rogers is up to $280 now and none of us took it at $180. The 1/2 Buddy Bell is up to $202 and I have the other one. I have 10 or 11 1/1's. It just doesn't seem as though my luck is as good when I go to sell something. I guess we could always reserve the auctions. This is just serious money being thrown around. I just traded the exact Kittle to Spahnfan that got over $476. Just unbelievable really. And who are these guys ponying up this cash? I'm not sure the two or three major players lately are even on the registry. What do you plan to do?

BugOnTheRug · February 11, 2008 5:23PM

I guarantee you if I still had my 84D registry set, the low-pops would be put on the bay. I simply can't believe the prices being paid. I had several 1/1's years ago that are still 1/1's. If a dk steele kittle psa 10 can bring $476, the McGraw, Chambliss, Hernandez, etc. psa 10's should be in the $500-1K group. In all my years of collecting 84D's, I've not seen anything like this........

ArnyVee · February 11, 2008 9:38PM

I'm really considering selling them.

I've got the following low pop PSA 10 cards that I'm considering putting out there...

6 - Rusty Staub DK Steele POP 3
12 - Ray Knight DK Steele POP 3
22 - Eddie Murray DK Steele POP 3
43 - Mike Jeffcoat RR POP 4
88 - Joe Altobelli POP 4
91 - John Henry Johnson POP 3
157 - Bryan Little POP 2
167 - Scott Thompson POP 2
176 - Carney Lansford POP 4
187 - Greg Minton POP 2
188 - Phil Niekro POP 4
193 - Jesse Barfield POP 4
196 - Rick Sweet POP 3
205 - Dave Van Ohlen POP 3
207 - Juan Beniquez POP 2
210 - Al Bumbry POP 3
211 - Mark Brouhard POP 4
218 - Dave Beard POP 4
234 - Juan Bonilla POP 3
256 - Odell Jones POP 3
279 - Jeff Reardon POP 4
282 - Tom Paciorek POP 3
283 - Frank Lacorte POP 3
317 - Jorge Orta POP 4
412 - John Stuper POP 4
425 - David Green POP 2
450 - Kevin Bass POP 4
487 - Bruce Berenyi POP 4
498 - Chris Welsh POP 2
500 - Bobby Johnson POP 4
509 - Mike Krukow POP 4
511 - Al Cowens POP 2
519 - Dave Sax POP 3
521 - Paul Splittorff POP 2
551 - Dave Dravecky POP 3
575 - Manny Trillo POP 2
598 - Dave Engle POP 3
620 - Len Sakata POP 3

.....I also have probably 10 POP 5s and a few 6s as well which might go nicely.

Hmm...really debating this.

BugOnTheRug · February 12, 2008 12:06AM

arny -

If psa 9's are reasonably plentiful to a corresponding 10, I'd start there. I don't put much stock in a low pop 10 if there are several of 9's. On the other hand, to catch the gravy train, you may want to put the most difficult out there now before 'they' run out of money.

bill

BrentR · February 12, 2008 3:16AM

Ok, this is ridiculous. The Rogers card is now up to $415.00 with 6 hours left.

BrentR · February 12, 2008 3:17AM

Page turn

BugOnTheRug · February 12, 2008 3:47AM

Hopefully the sellers will be paid.

BrentR · February 12, 2008 4:06AM

My thoughts exactly

Ichiro51fan · February 12, 2008 4:43AM

Well, I'm not too worried about that, as long as either upsala or pjpmint end up winning them. I've dealt with both in the past and have no doubt that they will pay in a timely manner. I'm not familiar with a couple of other bidders on these cards, and I haven't seen any bids from the guy who won that Kittle. That guy might worry me a bit as he only has a 1 for feedback, but based on his user name (indian-whitesox-fan, or something like that), I'm not expecting to see a bid from him since none of the 3 cards I have listed are Tribe or Sox. Maybe there's a last minute bid coming from a wealthy Expos fanatic... but I'm not counting on it. The Rogers is already at about what I was hoping for for all 3 cards, so you'll get no complaints here... even if they all go for what they're at now.

AlmostPerfect · February 12, 2008 8:39AM

<< I'm really considering selling them.

I've got the following low pop PSA 10 cards that I'm considering putting out there...

6 - Rusty Staub DK Steele POP 3
12 - Ray Knight DK Steele POP 3
22 - Eddie Murray DK Steele POP 3
43 - Mike Jeffcoat RR POP 4
88 - Joe Altobelli POP 4
91 - John Henry Johnson POP 3
157 - Bryan Little POP 2
167 - Scott Thompson POP 2
176 - Carney Lansford POP 4
187 - Greg Minton POP 2
188 - Phil Niekro POP 4
193 - Jesse Barfield POP 4
196 - Rick Sweet POP 3
205 - Dave Van Ohlen POP 3
207 - Juan Beniquez POP 2
210 - Al Bumbry POP 3
211 - Mark Brouhard POP 4
218 - Dave Beard POP 4
234 - Juan Bonilla POP 3
256 - Odell Jones POP 3
279 - Jeff Reardon POP 4
282 - Tom Paciorek POP 3
283 - Frank Lacorte POP 3
317 - Jorge Orta POP 4
412 - John Stuper POP 4
425 - David Green POP 2
450 - Kevin Bass POP 4
487 - Bruce Berenyi POP 4
498 - Chris Welsh POP 2
500 - Bobby Johnson POP 4
509 - Mike Krukow POP 4
511 - Al Cowens POP 2
519 - Dave Sax POP 3
521 - Paul Splittorff POP 2
551 - Dave Dravecky POP 3
575 - Manny Trillo POP 2
598 - Dave Engle POP 3
620 - Len Sakata POP 3

.....I also have probably 10 POP 5s and a few 6s as well which might go nicely.

Hmm...really debating this. >>

sell them NOW, they are '84's for christsake, you will be able to buy them back for much less, or settle on nice 9's!

Piman58 · February 12, 2008 11:58AM

Looking back, maybe I put my Hickey 1/2 up to soon. But it is hard to complain about the price I received.
It appears upsalallamerican has new competition from a new ebayer with just 14 feedback.

Ichiro...congrats on the Rogers. The Bell looks to be aligned with the right bidders for another big return.

Brent..... if I had some of those 1/1's a few would be hitting eBay, riding the wave.

sagard · February 12, 2008 1:51PM

<< Hmm...really debating this. >>

You should know exactly what to do. $0.20 listing day is upon us and you should post the prices you won't mind selling them at. If your cards get hit, your set is basically paid for.

Ichiro51fan · February 13, 2008 2:58AM

thanks Piman... I don't think there's any way any of us could have predicted what's happened with the recent few low pop 10's, so you're right to be happy with what you got on the Hickey. There are a number of variables in play here, but the bottom line is, there now appear to be between 1-4 people that are willing to push Upsala higher than before on these cards. And that's without Brent bidding, who I know was pushing him at one point not so long ago. Bottom line, I think it just shows that there is new & continued interest in what is easily the best set of the 80's, and I think we're all glad to see that.

Did you guys see that somebody (ebay ID rvc9911) listed several pop-4 to pop-6's yesterday? Maybe that's somebody from this board cuz I know a couple of you guys were seriously considering listing yours. The .20 cent listing deal is indeed perfect timing cuz now you can list those cards for the lowest you'd be confortable letting them go for, while not paying the extra $$ for higher starting values. And bottom line, if 2-4 of these heavy hitters need that card, a higher initial bid (of say $40-$60) obviously shouldn't make much of an impact. Seems like a win-win to me... I just wish I had a few more 10's already graded to throw out there.

BrentR · February 13, 2008 3:48AM

You're right Ichiro, it is positive for collectors of this set. Congrats on your sells. And yeah, these guys are willing to push upsala.. much farther than even I did. I wonder who they are. And I did notice that someone put some 5-6 pops up. I put two pop 4's up. It will be interesting to see what happens.
One very cool thing is that the new Beckett Graded Card Investor that came out yesterday, the cover story is on 80's sets being graded, and specifically talks about how 1984 Donruss is "quietly gaining steam amoung registry collectors" and how people should keep their eye out for this set's emergence. Really cool. This can only help this set with all the readers Beckett has and the interest is could create.

Ichiro51fan · February 13, 2008 4:59AM

yeah... that's good news about that article. As a seller specializing in this set, I need a stream of new collectors to help drive demand & pirces. While recent events are great (from my perspective), eventually, the these big-bidders will start to complete their sets and prices will start to drop if new people aren't coming in to pick up the slack. Still, since you are pretty much done with your set, and PJP & Upsala get closer, I'm pretty sure prices will start to come down. I think you and PJP are among the regular top end bidders for a set like this and guys like Upsala (with seemingly limitless funds) are more of an exception. My problem now is that I've got a stack of about 200 potential low-pop 10's that I need to send in for grading. I have to move it on those or I feel like I'm going to miss the upswing. I think pop-1's and pop-2's will probably still command a good premium, but I can't see the pop-5 craze continuing for too much longer... but that's just my opinion. Anyway.... interesting stuff to be sure. Good luck to the rest of you who decide to post some low-pops!

I also have to applaud these guys that keep putting bids in yet almost always get outbid by Upsala. Gotta be frustrating, but they keep plugging away. We'll see if some of these new guys can keep it up as well...

Ichiro51fan · February 13, 2008 7:58AM

Got a question for Arny or some of the other long-timers on this thread...

I know that the 84-D factory-sealed sets have the Steele variation DK's as well as the numbered (29 & 30) variations on Stenhouse & Darling. However, is that the ONLY way to get these variations/corrections, or did some later produced wax boxes also have the corrected versions. If yes, have any of you ever pulled any correct versions from a was box or pack?

Just curious...

BrentR · February 13, 2008 8:37AM

Yes, the ONLY way to get the corrected versions is from the factory sets. And the only way to get the errors or cards A and B were through wax packs or triple cellophane packs. There were no vending boxes or other kind of source for the 84 D's.

ArnyVee · February 13, 2008 9:31AM

<< Did you guys see that somebody (ebay ID rvc9911) listed several pop-4 to pop-6's yesterday? Maybe that's somebody from this board cuz I know a couple of you guys were seriously considering listing yours. >>

That's Robert. And yes, he's from the boards. He's taken some time off which allowed myself and Brent to stay ahead of him. But, once he gets back into the swing of things, he'll probably have the best set. All of his cards are 10s! His GPA is 10.00! And he's 88% complete!

He was one of the three main players (Bill-BugoftheRug, Robert-rvc and me) while kicking off this thread.

Anyways, I will probably list some of my low pops with some reserves tonight under my wife's eBay ID (I'm still in disputes with mine

).

Ichiro51fan · February 13, 2008 10:17AM

Well, something really strange just happened with my Bell card. Upsala did not attempt to outbid the webfoot guy for some reason. I know he's active today cuz he outbid on the Stenhouse a couple of hours ago, which is currently at $275. Don't get me wrong, I'm happy to have the $214 for the Bell, but it just doesn't make sense that he'd be engaged in bidding and then not follow through at the end. I thought that he may have a last minute snipe set, but it wasn't so. I've been watching this guy's bidding habits for the last few months and to my knowledge, this is only the 2nd time he lost out on an 84-D PSA-10 (the first being that $500 Kittle, which I can understand). Anyway, I hope this isn't a sign that his funds are running low. Still, why would he go for the pop-4 Stenhouse and leave the pop-2 Bell sitting there... weird stuff!

ArnyVee · February 13, 2008 10:41AM

Strange bidding pattern there Jim. Oh well, you did great either way!

I wanted to try and take advantage of the .20 listing day, but I'm way too tired to get all of this done tonight. I'll get them done in the next couple of days. Hopefully the big money guys aren't wasting all of their money on the few that have been out there lately.

BrentR · February 13, 2008 12:18PM

Hey Arny, here is the latest. Only one changed.

6 - Rusty Staub DK Steele POP 3
12 - Ray Knight DK Steele POP 3
22 - Eddie Murray DK Steele POP 3
43 - Mike Jeffcoat RR POP 4
88 - Joe Altobelli POP 4
91 - John Henry Johnson POP 3
157 - Bryan Little POP 2
167 - Scott Thompson POP 2
176 - Carney Lansford POP 4
187 - Greg Minton POP 2
188 - Phil Niekro POP 4
193 - Jesse Barfield POP 4
196 - Rick Sweet POP 3
205 - Dave Van Ohlen POP 3
207 - Juan Beniquez POP 3
210 - Al Bumbry POP 3
211 - Mark Brouhard POP 4
218 - Dave Beard POP 4
234 - Juan Bonilla POP 3
256 - Odell Jones POP 3
279 - Jeff Reardon POP 4
282 - Tom Paciorek POP 3
283 - Frank Lacorte POP 3
317 - Jorge Orta POP 4
412 - John Stuper POP 4
425 - David Green POP 2
450 - Kevin Bass POP 4
487 - Bruce Berenyi POP 4
498 - Chris Welsh POP 2
500 - Bobby Johnson POP 4
509 - Mike Krukow POP 4
511 - Al Cowens POP 2
519 - Dave Sax POP 3
521 - Paul Splittorff POP 2
551 - Dave Dravecky POP 3
575 - Manny Trillo POP 2
598 - Dave Engle POP 3
620 - Len Sakata POP 3

BrentR · February 13, 2008 12:22PM

Hey Arny, I need like 15 or 16 of the cards you are looking to sell. Send me a PM with what it would take to buy them from you. I'd like first crack before these guys buy them and breathe down our neck. Besides, I could also include my 9's in the trade so you wouldn't lose your sets completeness. Thanks man

Ichiro51fan · February 13, 2008 4:37PM

Wow... did you guys see what happened with that Dravecky DK pop-1? Sure, Upsala won in for $250.27, and PJP bid his usual $177, but there was another guy in there that bid $247.77! And, this guy was not one of the other 2 big bidders on any of my 3 auctions. Could this mean there is now a 4th guy willing to fork out $200+ for low-pop 10's? Let's hope so!

ArnyVee · February 13, 2008 9:09PM

<< Hey Arny, I need like 15 or 16 of the cards you are looking to sell. Send me a PM with what it would take to buy them from you. I'd like first crack before these guys buy them and breathe down our neck. Besides, I could also include my 9's in the trade so you wouldn't lose your sets completeness. Thanks man >>

Brent, send me an e-mail and we'll discuss it. I'd rather have you get them and upgrade your set than a stranger.

E-mail me at SCMAuctions@aol.com

BrentR · February 13, 2008 9:23PM

BrentR · February 13, 2008 9:23PM

BrentR · February 13, 2008 9:27PM

Ichiro, I bid on the Dravecky. That has to be the best card in the set. There had only been one 9 ever until that 10 came out of nowhere. Toughest card in the set hands down. I was either gonna buy it, or make ups pay plenty. I wouldn't pay quite that much for any low pop, but that may be the only time we see that card in a 10 ever. To me it should have gone for more than the Rogers, but who can figure this stuff out with these guys.

ArnyVee · February 13, 2008 9:57PM

Brent, just responded to your e-mail.

I couldn't believe that Dravecky 10. Beautiful thing. That is one tough SOB of a card!

Oh...and by the way....no poppage for my sub yet.

ArnyVee · February 13, 2008 10:53PM

Anyone here have an extra raw Joe Carter rookie? I'm putting set together for someone and I'm missing it. Rather than going through ebay and paying for shipping in a white envelope or something, I'd rather pick one up from someone here who might have a dupe.

Also, I have a few others cards (20 total) that I might need. I've got a list that I'm working on and I still have to go through a few commons that I don't have perfectly sorted. So, I'll know those tonight or tomorrow.

alnavman · February 13, 2008 11:41PM

Hi guys, I've been unable to log in for a few days, just had my basement redone and was offline....noticed that a Kittle was recently for sale, did it sell??? who was winning bidder...my curiousity needs to be satisfied since I noticed mention of a indywhitesoxfan1 bidder (or something like that) with low feedback........the name I have listed recently won a kittle from me on the 15th of January and I havent been paid yet.......don't want to panic anyone but thought I'd mention....hopefully in today's mail...it was low dollar value but you'd think it would have been taken care of by now...

al.

Ichiro51fan · February 14, 2008 2:15AM

Yeah, that Kittle went for $476.66 to indywhitesoxfan1 (with 1 feedback). He amazingly beat out Upsala for it, who was the only other guy to bid over $200.

Brent, yeah... I thought about that user ID last night after I posted and figured it might have been you. You're right about that card though... based on numbers alone, it's the toughest in the set, so certainly worth a shot at it. I even put in a low bid in case everyone else just missed it, but I really knew it would get detroyed

Looks like Upsala won several high $$ auctions yesterday in addition to my Stenhouse and the DD-DK. I'm going to check them out and see if there were any new bidders in there.

BrentR · February 14, 2008 2:23AM

Man Arny, I can't believe your non-poppage! That is now one heck of an expensive sub!! lol

I just responded to your email.

Ichiro51fan · February 14, 2008 3:01AM

Well, doesn't look like any new (high end) bidders on the dozen or so PSA-10's to sell yesterday. Just a note that might interest you guys... Upsala has spent about $1,900 on 84 Donruss PSA-10's... just in the last 2 days! I still don't get why he gave up on that 1/2 Bell at $200 (which I guess is actually a pop-3 now according to the new pop report), considering he forked out $300 for the pop-3 Speier.

alnavman · February 14, 2008 3:27AM

auction this is a link to the kittle auction I had .....checked the mail today and no payment yet.... I'm not going to sweat since it's only a small amount and the card is still residing in my home... weird how Little Kittles all of a sudden popped into my head....remember those from years ago

1984 Donruss Baseball - the unofficial but legal thread

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