1984 Donruss Baseball - the unofficial but legal thread

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Ichiro51fan

Hey, did you guys notice the low ending prices on the 10's the 4SC was selling yestreday? A lot of low pops (2-8) went for only $15-$40! I'd like to think that maybe PJP was intentionally bidding lower on those so that the evil 4SC would not get any more money than necessary, but who know if that's really the case or not. On most of them, only he and Upsala were bidding, so I hope this doesn't mean those other few big bidders have been scared away.

ArnyVee

Al, that stinks about the Kittle DK. I had a guy (Chris something) offer me a trade that we finally agreed upon where he was "dying" for a Kittle DK Steele. I finally got him to agree to a deal where he sent me a factory set of 1984 Donruss for the card and he agreed. I sent it to him in good faith and got nothing in return. I e-mailed him threatening mail fraud and all that, but nothing came about. I noticed that he had bid on a Kittle card a few months ago and e-mailed him again, but no dice. Hopefully it's not the same guy.

On a good note for me.....after customer service checked on our sub today, we were told that it could be by early next week!

BugOnTheRug

Arny - If remembering correctly, I sold 'Chris' at least one(if not 2 or 3) dk Kittle Steele 9's and he paid for them. Then about a year later he emailed again. I had 2 he was dying to get; we agreed on a price and - nada. Then nada-nada-nada. Seemed like some personal stuff going on but regardless, the word 'flakey' comes to mind.

alnavman

Bill, Arny, the guy who purchased the card was named Chris. Believe it's the same person. Don't know if a guy or gal but from picture I saw on their feedback forum I assume it's a guy. He also did the same to me, sending messages, asking for Kittle cards, etc, etc....guess I'll just have to negative and block the bidder from future purchases.

al.

ArnyVee

FYI....Brent, I'll be sending you an e-mail tonight.

Al, I would start the process for sure on this guy. He's not worth you even thinking about.

alnavman

I hear ya Arny, it's just frustrating sometimes when you do the ebay thing.....and with my luck he'll be the first one to neg me. I must be having bad month, I also goofed on one of my ebay listings. I listed an item twice by accident and one of the people keeps paying me via paypal even after I told them I didn't have two cards......won't belabor on this topic, I listed it in the community thread asking for help.....at least I finally got the guys telephone number so I'll call him direct and hopefully clear it up....probably will be my second neg.....oh well

al.

Piman58

Arny...looks like your shared sub popped. Nice job on the 10s. Some tough luck with the Horners though.

BugOnTheRug

c'mon Arny - post that sub!

envoy98

Arny has grades...he just hasn't seen them yet.

BugOnTheRug

Arny - congrats on the 2 youngblood 9's. That was the last card I needed to complete the set. A bear and a half really.

BrentR

Yeah, this Chris guy really gets around. He emailed me multiple times about Kittles. He asked some pretty bizzare stuff. Anyway, I think "flaky" is an understatement.

ArnyVee

Well, I'm not terribly happy about not even getting one of the Horners graded! That means that I'm still one card short of completing the set.

Plus, nearly all of these were pulled right from factory sets, so it shows that we still get those 'shorter' cards here and there. At least I pulled 9 10s and those Wilcox and Youngbloods feel good to get 9s on!

So, here they are....

73 04407075 1984 DONRUSS 4 JOHN CASTINO DIAMOND KINGS-STEELE Not Holdered, Did not meet Minimum Size Requirements
74 04407076 1984 DONRUSS 14 BOB HORNER DIAMOND KINGS-STEELE Not Holdered, Did not meet Minimum Size Requirements
75 04407077 1984 DONRUSS 19 JIM CLANCY DIAMOND KINGS-STEEL 9
76 04407078 1984 DONRUSS 118 BILL CAUDILL N/A 10
77 04407079 1984 DONRUSS 170 RICK MANNING N/A 10
78 04407080 1984 DONRUSS 180 RICHARD DOTSON N/A 7
78 04407081 1984 DONRUSS 180 RICHARD DOTSON N/A 9
79 04407082 1984 DONRUSS 187 GREG MINTON N/A 9
80 04407083 1984 DONRUSS 199 KEN DAYLEY N/A 9
81 04407084 1984 DONRUSS 209 BOBBY RAMOS N/A 9
81 04407085 1984 DONRUSS 209 BOBBY RAMOS N/A 9
82 04407086 1984 DONRUSS 210 AL BUMBRY N/A 9
83 04407087 1984 DONRUSS 230 DOUG DeCINCES N/A 9
84 04407088 1984 DONRUSS 236 ATLEE HAMMAKER N/A 9
84 04407089 1984 DONRUSS 236 ATLEE HAMMAKER N/A 10
85 04407090 1984 DONRUSS 237 MIKE CALDWELL N/A 9
86 04407091 1984 DONRUSS 260 DAVE RUCKER N/A 9
87 04407092 1984 DONRUSS 282 TOM PACIOREK N/A 10
88 04407093 1984 DONRUSS 435 ED NUNEZ N/A 9
88 04407094 1984 DONRUSS 435 ED NUNEZ N/A 9
89 04407095 1984 DONRUSS 436 BOBBY CASTILLO N/A 9
90 04407096 1984 DONRUSS 444 MIKE EASLER N/A 9
91 04407097 1984 DONRUSS 466 JOHN WATHAN N/A 9
92 04407098 1984 DONRUSS 471 MILT WILCOX N/A 9
92 04407099 1984 DONRUSS 471 MILT WILCOX N/A 9
93 04407100 1984 DONRUSS 480 JOEL YOUNGBLOOD N/A 9
93 04407101 1984 DONRUSS 480 JOEL YOUNGBLOOD N/A 8
93 04407102 1984 DONRUSS 480 JOEL YOUNGBLOOD N/A 9
94 04407103 1984 DONRUSS 486 BRYAN OELKERS N/A 9
95 04407104 1984 DONRUSS 488 LAMARR HOYT N/A 9
96 04407105 1984 DONRUSS 489 JOE NOLAN N/A 9
97 04407106 1984 DONRUSS 490 MARSHALL EDWARDS N/A 9
98 04407107 1984 DONRUSS 491 MIKE LAGA N/A 9
99 04407108 1984 DONRUSS 507 PASCUAL PEREZ N/A 9
100 04407109 1984 DONRUSS 522 TOM BURGMEIER N/A 9
101 04407110 1984 DONRUSS 524 BOBBY CLARK N/A 10
102 04407111 1984 DONRUSS 528 ED WHITSON N/A 10
103 04407112 1984 DONRUSS 531 JERRY ROYSTER N/A 9
104 04407113 1984 DONRUSS 535 BOB HORNER N/A Not Holdered, Did not meet Minimum Size Requirements
104 04407114 1984 DONRUSS 535 BOB HORNER N/A Not Holdered, Did not meet Minimum Size Requirements
105 04407115 1984 DONRUSS 539 ALAN ASHBY N/A 8.5
106 04407116 1984 DONRUSS 544 DANNY DARWIN N/A 9OF
107 04407117 1984 DONRUSS 546 VANCE LAW N/A 8
107 04407118 1984 DONRUSS 546 VANCE LAW N/A 9
108 04407119 1984 DONRUSS 561 GARTH IORG N/A 10
109 04407120 1984 DONRUSS 564 VERN RUHLE N/A 10
110 04407121 1984 DONRUSS 571 DANE IORG N/A 10
111 04407122 1984 DONRUSS 597 LUIS SANCHEZ N/A 9
112 04407123 1984 DONRUSS 605 ALFREDO GRIFFIN N/A 9
112 04407124 1984 DONRUSS 605 ALFREDO GRIFFIN N/A 9
112 04407125 1984 DONRUSS 605 ALFREDO GRIFFIN N/A 9

....overall, not ecstatic, but not completely decimated either.

BrentR

Hey Arny, nice job on the Whitson! I had the only 10 until now!

ArnyVee

Thanks Brent!

Looks like our trades can happen, right?

alnavman

Great job Arny, those Griffins are hard to come by also and you got three 9's!!!!

BrentR

Yes, our trades can happen Arny! Works out really well! You'll have 100%!!

ArnyVee

<< <i>Great job Arny, those Griffins are hard to come by also and you got three 9's!!!! >>



Thank you sir!

Honestly, I held back on sending in 6 of them because these three had real solid shots at 10s in my eyes. All of the cards that I sent in had real solid shots at 10s aside from the Youngbloods, Horners and Wilcox cards from what I remember.

alnavman

Still great work Arny, especially with the way they seem to have tighten down on grading lately.

al.

ArnyVee

Al, I was a little bit nervous based on the grading going on, but I figured that if I pulled a card that looked like a 10, smelled like a 10....well, it would at least be a 9!

Out of the 10s that I got, there is a 1 of 2 and a couple of 1 of 3s and 4s. So, not bad overall I guess. Looks like I'll have more going to my 'extras' set to sell/trade.

BugOnTheRug

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Piman58

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I couldn't agree more.

BrentR

mmhmm...

alnavman

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are the kids acting up on the West Coast???? or is this another case of high grading expectations?? thought it was a 10, came back a 4

Piman58

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BugOnTheRug

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alnavman

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BugOnTheRug

Talk about crappy centering on a psa 10 - look at this carter just listed from 4SC. They already have one listed (due to close in 4 hr) from a factory set with a $125 opening and $150 BIN. The new one (shown below) is $150 opening and $199 BIN. While obvious 4SC's left and right hands are unfamiliar with each other, that centering on a psa 10 should be outlawed. Pathetic. The only thing I can think of is that it's mislabeled and should have be given a 9. I can't fathom this card was correctly graded as a 10.

Stingray

60/40 need for the front for a PSA 10, is this Carter not within that range??

Ichiro51fan

ummmm.... yeah.... "technically" 60/40 is the criteria, but ask and regular person how many 10's they've received with centering approaching that and the silence will be deafaning. My first couple of subs had several cards in the 60/40 to 56/44 range with absoulutely NO other flaws and the ALL came back as 9's (and yes, I used digital calipers to measure several times). I think the general rule that most people go by when expecting 10's is no worse than 55/45 on the front. That's what I have been using for the last 2 subs and my results have definately improved. It's sad too cuz I have some real nice low/no pop 84 D's with centering just a bit worse than 55/45, but for issues like this where 9's are rarely sellable for even grading fee recoup, it just doesn't make sense to throw away $6 on like a 1/1,000 or worse shot (not for me anyway). Now granted, if you're 4SC or one of the other PSA-Preferred customers, 60/40 definately seems doable for a 10. Not very equitable but it's not like there's anything we can do about it

btw, congrats on those 10's and tough 9's Arny. Can't believe those Horners though... but overall a really good sub!

BugOnTheRug

<<<<A PSA Gem Mint 10 card is a virtually perfect card. Attributes include four perfectly sharp corners, sharp focus and full original gloss. A PSA Gem Mint 10 card must be free of staining of any kind, but an allowance may be made for a slight printing imperfection, if it doesn't impair the overall appeal of the card. The image must be centered on the card within a tolerance not to exceed approximately 55/45 to 60/40 percent on the front, and 75/25 percent on the reverse. >>>>

As you can see from psa's own description, there's wiggle-room. Maybe someone can do a L/R border pixel count on this card, but in my mind a psa 10 is all about eye appeal. With centering bordering on 60/40 or possibly even less the eye appeal on this baby is bad. Very bad IMO.

alnavman

Bug, is that a smudge on the right side do you think??

BugOnTheRug

Al - I would surely hope that is something stuck on the outside of the slab or the scanner. Regardless, it doesn't help the presentation, does it?

alnavman

<< <i>Al - I would surely hope that is something stuck on the outside of the slab or the scanner. Regardless, it doesn't help the presentation, does it? >>



no help to the presentation, I agree that it seems to be the lower level 10...

Spahnfan

Arny, that is a very good sub. You did miss on a couple that I know would have made your day, but you did get some other outstanding cards. Caudill was only a pop 2, as was the Ruhle, the Hammaker has always been tough and was only a pop 3, and of course the Whitson was only a pop 1. Then two 9 Youngblood's! How many collectors would give their left arm for just one. You did good, Arny.

Charlie9

Sorry to butt in but wondered if anyone was interested in a 84 Donruss George Brett PSA 10? Looking for $45 delivered. Apologize about the spam but I figured this would be the crowd that may have interest. PM me if you do. Thanks, Chris

BrentR

Arny, email sent.

alnavman

just wanted to stop by and say hey....hey!!

Ichiro51fan

Well, I finally ended up winning a couple of factory sets yesterday. Seems like the last few weeks, they have mostly been going for well over $100, with some in the $120 range. I bid on a few of those but my max bid was nowhere near good enough. Yesterday, one seller had 2 listed... both ending at about the same time. I put bids in on both within the last 2 minutes and amazingly ended up winning the first for $77 and the second for a great price of $61! Based on what I've seen, an average price of $69 per set is pretty darn good for these. Hopefully, they're both from a good batch and I can pull some 10's from them. I may post some scans when I receive and break the sets next week.

BrentR

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Where are you , Arny?

alnavman

Good luck on those sets Jim....if you get centering on the DK's it could make it a worthwhile buy.

thenavarro

Hi,
After a week of going through my new to me 84 Donruss set. I have pulled the cards which were low pop commons or superstars that I feel have the best shot at grading high. There were some other nice cards, but the pop is too high to make good money on them. I'm going to send them in under the set registry $5.00 per card special, and I hope to hit some 10's to sale on some low pop commons and a couple superstars. This is my first submission, I've been over the cards with a magnifier and all look to me like they have a shot at what I would envision a 10 at (except for the centering on the Darling but that's for a friend to have anyway), but like I said I'm a rookie at this.

What do you feel these grades would grade?? Do you see any 10's here? If so, which ones? If you see any black spots like on the corner of the Beniquez, they are on my scanner only, not on the card. Honest opinions please, your criticisms won't bother me, they'll help me become a better screener. Thanks,

Mike

alnavman

Good luck Mike, may the PSA gods be with you!!! cards look nice.

Ichiro51fan

Well, without getting out the calipers, and assuming no corner dings or other major flaws, I'd say that most of them look like they have a shot at a 10. So, out of 24 good shots, you're probably looking at 7-8 10's imo. Oddly enough, aside from the Mattingly, you should hope for 10's on the low pops instead of the superstars

Ichiro51fan

<< <i>Good luck on those sets Jim....if you get centering on the DK's it could make it a worthwhile buy. >>



That would be a great bonus as far as I'm concerned. I just hope that most of the corners are good. If so, I should be able to turn a decent profit. Should be getting them by tomorrow, so we will see.

thenavarro

<< <i>Well, without getting out the calipers, and assuming no corner dings or other major flaws, I'd say that most of them look like they have a shot at a 10. So, out of 24 good shots, you're probably looking at 7-8 10's imo. Oddly enough, aside from the Mattingly, you should hope for 10's on the low pops instead of the superstars >>



I ended up sending in 19 of them. I took out the Darling, Davis, Checklist, Gossage, and Butcher. If I get 7-8 10's, I'll be ecstatic, especially if I get it on Mattingly and the rest on the low pops. I've been over and over them with a small magnifier, but like I indicated, this is my first sub for grading, so I"ll just have to wait and see. If some of mine are not 10's, then there is truly some amazing cards out there.

Mike

Ichiro51fan

Well, I cracked about half of 1 of my 2 factory set recieved last week. The good news is the cards are rock-solid fresh with little to no apparent corner or edge damage. The not-so-good news is that the centering is less than average, for the most part. Checking the Mattingly, Ryan, the DK's and the other key very low-pop cards in the first half of the set, I'd say little or no chances at PSA 10's. There may be a chance on some pop-2's and up but I only checked 0-1 pops so far. The Mattingly may be worthy of an 8 or 8.5 max. I'll spend some more time with this over the next week or so and report back if I find any gems.