1984 Donruss Baseball - the unofficial but legal thread

ArnyVee · February 21, 2006 12:10PM

It's amazing how some of those 9s can look better than the 10s, isn't it?

If you put that thing on eBay right now, you'll pull at least $750 for it, I believe. Nice $300 profit for 'flipping' a card in a week, huh?

BugOnTheRug · February 21, 2006 12:17PM

I've seen some nice $$$ 'flipping' before, all within a few week time period - I guess it's my turn now. I just happened to get lucky in checking when I did. There's no way this would have lasted long. BTW, how far were you behind me when you saw it.?

Arny, It's simply amazing how some 9's look. I paid over $100 for this (with a 0xxxxxxx cert number to boot, which typically I won't do), but I'm taking the position that the bulls-eye centering might produce the knockout punch needed in obtaining that elusive 10.

ArnyVee · February 21, 2006 12:48PM

Probably a couple of hours later.....no real competition for the speed of a mongoose that you exhibited!

That 9 Mattingly with the 0xxxx was graded tougher than the normal standards. I'm sure that you'll have a solid shot at a 10. Good luck!

alnavman · February 22, 2006 9:22AM

alnavman · February 22, 2006 9:25AM

Saw the post talking about flipping and got a little flipped out...sorry about the blank post...but got to thinkin about the old days when I was a youngster flipping the cards against the wall, playing closest to the wall and it seemed like always losing....oh well, sweet memories. by the way have any of you seen the PSA 10 Ripken that's on ebay now....it's over $200.....WOW!!! I remember recently seeing one sit until the last day with an opening bid of $49.99 and no one bid on it....man has that article helped prices or what!!!

BugOnTheRug · February 22, 2006 9:29AM

funny thing is, it opened with a BIN of $175............gotta love ebay!!!!!

alnavman · February 22, 2006 9:46AM

Bill, it makes me almost want to list the one I have......the only thing stopping me is that I usually have the luck that the next one sells for $25!!......I just keep thinking $200!!! That's 40 cards from the set I can get graded for the price of one....awful tempting...

ArnyVee · February 22, 2006 10:51AM

Al, I thought the same thing with my 10. If you really want to sell it, offer it to the 2nd highest bidder for whatever he bid and maybe you can strike a deal!

alnavman · February 23, 2006 8:14AM

Well, here's the results from my latest submission.....can't believe that I had so many low grades....I must have been half asleep when I was picking the cards out.

31498968 1984 DONRUSS 350 RICH DAUER N/A 6
31498969 1984 DONRUSS 346 RICK BEHENNA N/A 5
31498970 1984 DONRUSS 250 ALEJANDRO PENA N/A 8
31498971 1984 DONRUSS 262 JEFF JONES N/A 9
31498972 1984 DONRUSS 240 TONY BERNAZARD N/A 9
31498973 1984 DONRUSS 239 LARRY BOWA N/A 9
31498974 1984 DONRUSS 280 KEN FORSCH N/A 10
31498975 1984 DONRUSS 282 TOM PACIOREK N/A 10
31498976 1984 DONRUSS 317 JORGE ORTA N/A 9
31498977 1984 DONRUSS 260 DAVE RUCKER N/A 6
31498978 1984 DONRUSS 255 ANDY HASSLER N/A 9
31498979 1984 DONRUSS 451 DARYL SCONIERS N/A 8
31498980 1984 DONRUSS 457 DENNIS BOYD N/A 8
31498981 1984 DONRUSS 460 RON HASSEY N/A 8
31498982 1984 DONRUSS 494 RICK HONEYCUTT N/A 8
31498983 1984 DONRUSS 271 NED YOST N/A 9
31498984 1984 DONRUSS 129 BERT BLYLEVEN N/A 9
31498985 1984 DONRUSS 332 ALLAN RAMIREZ N/A 8
31498986 1984 DONRUSS 337 JOE BECKWITH N/A 9
31498987 1984 DONRUSS 351 CECIL COOPER N/A 8
31498988 1984 DONRUSS 352 ROD CAREW N/A 7
31498989 1984 DONRUSS 354 PHIL GARNER N/A 9
31498990 1984 DONRUSS 354 PHIL GARNER N/A 7
31498991 1984 DONRUSS 362 MATT YOUNG N/A 5
31498992 1984 DONRUSS 362 MATT YOUNG N/A 8
31498993 1984 DONRUSS 367 DAN FORD N/A 8
31498994 1984 DONRUSS 374 GREG PRYOR N/A 9
31498995 1984 DONRUSS 374 GREG PRYOR N/A 9
31498996 1984 DONRUSS 421 TIM WALLACH N/A 9
31498997 1984 DONRUSS 433 JODY DAVIS N/A 8
31498998 1984 DONRUSS 376 CHARLIE LEA N/A 10
31498999 1984 DONRUSS 376 CHARLIE LEA N/A 7
31499000 1984 DONRUSS 377 STEVE LUBRATICH N/A 8
31499001 1984 DONRUSS 380 JOHN MIZEROCK N/A 9
31499002 1984 DONRUSS 382 MIKE RAMSEY N/A 6
31499003 1984 DONRUSS 385 PETE FALCONE N/A 8

Bighurt4 · February 23, 2006 8:25AM

I actually get lower grades the more deserate I am to pass the next person on the Set Registry. I start compromising on the edge wear or maybe it isn't THAT off center. Be happy though, I would kill for any of my grades to post.

Brent

BugOnTheRug · February 23, 2006 8:48AM

Al,
Did you pull these from a factory set(s)? I'm curious if the 8's are due to borderline centering because of the diamond-cut effect. Factory sets are notorious for this - especially the DK's.

BugOnTheRug · February 23, 2006 8:50AM

stupid page-turning issue............

alnavman · February 23, 2006 9:32AM

Bill, the cards were from factory sets. I also think I was not as observant as I've been......I need to slow down a bit.....I was going to try and get another lot to PSA before the end of the month but think I'll wait now....I'm getting to impatient!!!! at least I got a couple that are low pops....the Blylevan is one I was hoping for a 9 and got it.....and I couldn't believe the two Charlie Lea cards...I thought they would both be at least 9's......go figure!!

rvc · February 23, 2006 9:56AM

hey al
is #282 psa 10 available?

ArnyVee · February 23, 2006 12:03PM

Blyleven and Beckwith available? C.Cooper as a placeholder for me?

ArnyVee · February 26, 2006 5:17AM

I've picked up 5 cards for my Basic set in the last 24 hours and 6 cards for my Master set. I'm now sitting at over 92% complete on the master and over 94% complete on the basic set.

FYI, I haven't heard anything in the last two days about the reweighting. But, I had some decent dialogue before then with BJ. We'll see when things will get finished with the reweighting of the set.

alnavman · February 26, 2006 9:33AM

Arny, there are some of us relatively new and to be honest I don't remember the reweighting.......is there a summary somewhere for the new guys to read???? Is it included somewhere in this thread? thanks al.

ArnyVee · February 26, 2006 9:39AM

Al, it's definitely in this thread, but I can't remember at which point. Basically...Ray, RVC, Bill & myself put together some thoughts as to what the cards should be weighted at and I submitted a spreadsheet with our thoughts to PSA. Cosetta responded that BJ was going to correspond with me and we've e-mailed back and forth a couple of times on it already. PSA agrees that the set should be reweighted based on the fact that price changes over time have occurred and some cards are valued higher while some are lower now.

alnavman · February 26, 2006 10:13AM

Thanks Arny....I'll check back thru the thread to find the details........al.

BugOnTheRug · February 26, 2006 1:14PM

Al,
Did you crack the 84D box from BBCX yet? Curious if you found much gradable stuff...........

RayBShotz · February 26, 2006 10:29PM

Al - The discussion about reweighting goes almost all the way back to the beginning of the thread if I recall. Maybe like the 3rd or 4th page.
Arny - Thanks for picking up on the reweighting project. I think that ultimately the 84D guys are going to really benefit from changes that correctly reflect the sets components.
RayB

ArnyVee · February 26, 2006 10:35PM

Ray, still in the negotiation process for your set?

Bill, is that an extra "Goose" Gossage 10 that you had? Or, just seeing if there are any bites? Gotta love that card!

BugOnTheRug · February 27, 2006 5:26AM

Arny,
I have a beautiful wide bordered one in 9 coming in soon, so I threw my 10 out there.

However, upon further review, It'll get repriced.

alnavman · February 27, 2006 8:28AM

Bill, the 84D wax box I bought is still sitting unopened....it's sort of like a trophy right now!!! I plan to one day bust and see what happens but not quite yet......I got my last submission back from PSA today....here are two of the cards I got back.

BugOnTheRug · February 27, 2006 8:56AM

Sweet!
I've got a 40-50 card sub going in tomorrow. Nothing like waiting till the afternoon of the last day to get that Feb 28 postmark!!!!

alnavman · February 27, 2006 10:17AM

Good luck on your submission, I was going to try and send in another lot but decided to wait......hopefully they will repeat the offer again later in the year......

Bighurt4 · February 27, 2006 4:24PM

Arny,
Negotiations are complete. Joining the club.

Brent

ArnyVee · February 27, 2006 9:28PM

Welcome Brent!

Wow, you have picked up a major league boost into a set that is wonderful to collect! Ray, we'll miss you buddy! Unless you are joining us again and starting over, that is.

Brent any doubles comin' out of camp Brent? If so, please list them here first to try and help your fellow '84 Donruss boys!

5STAT · February 28, 2006 4:07AM

Brent,

Welcome to the group....you now own a set started out as my baby and blossomed under Ray...

I'll see what I can do to help you along too...

Congrats,

Bruce (5_stat)

Bighurt4 · February 28, 2006 2:51PM

Thank you Bruce and Arny,
It is an awesome set and I hope to do it justice in the future. Ray has truly been a pleasure to work with to complete this deal. I have been lurking on this board for a while and have enjoyed what I have seen. Thank you in advance for any help in this journey and I hope to be able to contribute as much as I receive.

Brent

BugOnTheRug · February 28, 2006 3:04PM

BugOnTheRug · February 28, 2006 3:05PM

BugOnTheRug · February 28, 2006 3:07PM

Welcome aboard! You must be a west coast guy based on when you post.

The little periods above bump the thread up to viewing state from the previous page.

Bill

Bighurt4 · February 28, 2006 3:11PM

Hi Bill,

I actually live in Mobile, Alabama and have been on nights for a couple of weeks. Thanks for the welcome.

Brent

BugOnTheRug · February 28, 2006 3:20PM

It's a nice set to start with and the fun is just beginning!

Bighurt4 · February 28, 2006 3:33PM

I have been a fan of the set since I was a kid. I have to admit I liked the 83 Fleer better at that time since it was the first time I bought a full box at one time. I skipped lunch at school for 2 weeks to do it. When I first saw the 84 Donruss wax pack, I knew it was going to be special. Then I opened it and knew I had a new favorite. I skipped a lot more lunches that year.

Brent

alnavman · March 1, 2006 7:57AM

Hey Brent, welcome to the 84 D club......I got hooked late last year and it's been a lot of fun.....the folks here are great...they all have been able to get me going and helped on my set.....you'll enjoy the conversation also.......al.

rvc · March 1, 2006 9:42AM

welcome brent

BugOnTheRug · March 1, 2006 11:48AM

Hey guys - I'm all over the Riggetti 10 if ok with you - need it for the master.

ArnyVee · March 1, 2006 12:25PM

Whoops...I already put a snipe on that puppy. Is it an upgrade for you Bill or an outright need?

If you need it, you can go for that one and I'll take whatever the next card I need is. Thoughts?

BugOnTheRug · March 1, 2006 12:33PM

Arny,
It's an outright need. Funny thing as it's a 1/7 but for whatever reason I don't have it. Do you have a 9 of #10 Steel (that's labeled correctly?) If so, maybe we can do the trade/cash thing. I'd be just as happy with a cheaper and nicely centered 9.

ArnyVee · March 2, 2006 11:34AM

Bill, I've got the mislabeled 9 of the Righetti. That's why I wanted the 10 Steel. But, go ahead with this one and I'll take the next card that comes along.

BugOnTheRug · March 2, 2006 11:57AM

Arny - thanks. I'm gonna email the seller and make sure it is a STEEL. Stupid mislables!

BugOnTheRug · March 3, 2006 2:58AM

check this out:

I have a mild interest in Krukcards 1984D wax case and wanted more info. Because the description stated the case had a loose or torn flap, I emailed them and asked for pics of all sides of the case, and also if the BIN price would be negotiable. Here's the response from them:

<< <i>Due to time restraints we are unable to add additional pictures on this lot or single card >>

Great - a vague, canned answer on an item priced at $3.5K. As far as I'm concerned now, they can shove that case up their Kruk.

ArnyVee · March 3, 2006 11:37AM

I have picked up a couple of raw sets from Kruk and they haven't been exactly as described. So, I wouldn't be surprised that they'd give a 'canned' response. No personal touch or attention to detail means less repeat customers. I'm sure that I have significantly less traffic and business than them, but I sure have repeat customers!

ArnyVee · March 3, 2006 12:01PM

'84 Donruss brothers...BJ from PSA states that we should see the reweighting take affect in approximately a week or so!

Darin · March 3, 2006 1:39PM

Over the last week I went through about 3400 84D cards. I found around 200-220 that I'm going to have graded when they have a registry set special again. I've been following this thread and I remembered how much I liked this set way back when so I decided I'll eventually build a reg. set. I bought a raw set and four or five wax boxes between 1984-86. Its funny, back then I never paid a whole lot of attention to centering, didn't really notice it unless it was really bad. But I see what you guys mean by this being a very tough set to build well centered. I lost count of how many off center Rich Gedmans, Dion James, and Sid Fernandez cards I went through. Heck, I couldn't even find a well centered checklist card!

BTW- the first post of this thread is a great one, it lets folks know what some of the toughest cards in the set are right away.

BugOnTheRug · March 3, 2006 3:24PM

Darin,
Welcome! Glad you've been following the thread and hopefully your name will be 'in lights' on the registry soon. Centering is always a bear: In fact, the raw set that got me started in this whole registry game came from 2 wax CASES back in '84. The best centered of those 2 cases (21,600 cards) would account roughly 80 percent of the 660 card set worthy of psa 9/10 copies based soley on centering - the rest were off enough to qualify for 8's only.

BTW, if you had a submittable #480 Joel Youngblood, you'd make one collector VERY happy.

alnavman · March 3, 2006 9:42PM

Welcome Darin, as noted by Bill the centering is a big issue. I've only been pursuing the set for a few months but it's already driving me crazy...pay special attention to the DK cards, they are tough....also make sure when you send your submission in to state in big letters that the DK's are either the STEEL or STEELE version. As noted several times in this thread PSA mislabels these at times.....

Great to see you are on board, al.

ArnyVee · March 3, 2006 10:25PM

Welcome aboard Darin! Great to see another '84 Donruss collector join the fray!

If you need any help or advice on the set, this is the place. Heck, a few of us were quoted in the '84 Donruss article in SMR!

So, we can probably answer any and all questions that you might have. Good luck with the submissions! Oh, and make sure that you try and throw some extra 9 quality cards of the ones that I need in there as well!

1984 Donruss Baseball - the unofficial but legal thread

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