<< <i>i did pick one up. Even having 3 glasses of wine while perusing BBCE, I felt it was a good deal. >>
Aren't you in Cali? Are you having eggs, bacon and pinot noir? Dude, you're gonna end up with about 5 packages around Christmas if you don't close that browser...
<< <i>i did pick one up. Even having 3 glasses of wine while perusing BBCE, I felt it was a good deal. >>
Aren't you in Cali? Are you having eggs, bacon and pinot noir? Dude, you're gonna end up with about 5 packages around Christmas if you don't close that browser...
On early 80's at least, it doesn't seem to be drying up. Early this morning I picked up 2 1980 OPC baseball 4 pack wax racks. I've personally never seen these before since I've been back in the hobby. I know production was limited that year due to a strike, but thought that was a cool find. If I only could find a nice wax box eventually...
Jimmy
Edited to ask how come this thread has pages in front of this one with no posts on them? I've never seen that before either lol. Lots of firsts today.
Always looking for OPC "tape intact" baseball wax boxes, and 1984 OPC baseball PSA 10's for my set. Please PM or email me if you have any available.
<< <i>On early 80's at least, it doesn't seem to be drying up. Early this morning I picked up 2 1980 OPC baseball 4 pack wax racks. I've personally never seen these before since I've been back in the hobby. I know production was limited that year due to a strike, but thought that was a cool find. If I only could find a nice wax box eventually...
Jimmy
Edited to ask how come this thread has pages in front of this one with no posts on them? I've never seen that before either lol. Lots of firsts today. >>
I'm wondering if all the blank pages are missing posts from deleted accounts?
I saw the 1980 OPC wax racks and was ready to buy...
...except last time he had them they were $75 cheaper and I wasn't prepared for that much of a hike. However, yes -- they are mildly rare from what I can tell.
I've picked up a couple things and filled a few holes in my 80s unopened stash the past day or two (and duplicated where there weren't holes -- oh well).
<< <i>I'm wondering if all the blank pages are missing posts from deleted accounts?
I saw the 1980 OPC wax racks and was ready to buy...
...except last time he had them they were $75 cheaper and I wasn't prepared for that much of a hike. However, yes -- they are mildly rare from what I can tell.
I've picked up a couple things and filled a few holes in my 80s unopened stash the past day or two (and duplicated where there weren't holes -- oh well). >>
Wow, that's quite an increase. Has it been awhile since any of these have come up for sale? I haven't seen these come up since I've been collecting this set, unless I haven't been paying close enough attention. I've been working on the set a little under a year now. I like how it has 4 wax packs as opposed to Topps' 3..I don't plan on ripping these though. I want to preserve them as is. I always seem to duplicate holes myself, especially when it comes to early 80's Topps. Can never seem to get enough of the stuff. For awhile, I wasn't ripping anything and just hoarding. Lately though, I'm starting to get the ripping urge and plan on doing a huge Christmas rip
Always looking for OPC "tape intact" baseball wax boxes, and 1984 OPC baseball PSA 10's for my set. Please PM or email me if you have any available.
From a football box point of view, the 1975 Topps Cello, 1981 Topps Rack, and 1984 Topps Rack sold only a few hours after they were posted. The 1986 Topps Rack Box is still there but I do not expect it to last much longer.
The pre-1978 Topps football boxes seem to sell almost immediately after being listed. I think the demand for these products is still very high.
How often does a pre-1960 pack come available and what are the prices right now with those packs. I've always been curious what a 48 Leaf pack would go for now - not that I would be able to afford it, but interested none the less.
Originally posted by: ugaskidawg How often does a pre-1960 pack come available and what are the prices right now with those packs. I've always been curious what a 48 Leaf pack would go for now - not that I would be able to afford it, but interested none the less.
I'd guess $25-30k. A '56 would be $20k these days, a '58 pretty close.
Always looking for Topps Salesman Samples, pre '51 unopened packs, E90-2, E91a, N690 Kalamazoo Bats, and T204 Square Frame Ramly's
I buy from them often and will continue to do so, but I still don't understand how being the "authenticator" of a PSA graded pack then selling said pack, regardless of grade, is not a huge conflict of interest.
...and I do not believe they are drying up anytime soon.
Thanks,
David (LD_Ferg)
1985 Topps Football (starting in psa 8) - #9 - started 05/21/06
** Working on the following sets-2013 Spectra Football Hall of Fame 50th Anniversary Autograph set, 2015 Spectra Football Illustrious Legends Autograph set, 2014-15 Hall of Fame Heroes autograph set. **
I was thinking that when they made that major modern purchase. They also are a major autograph seller now. I'm sure the older product is getting harder to find every day. It's possible they are also saving items for the National.
It's possible they are also saving items for the National.
I think the BBCE's are missing out on a great opportunity. The above mentioned quote should be their slogan and pasted all oveur every Facebook, Twitter and sports card chat board across the globe.
This is a company which doesn't just set up at the National. They DOMINATE THE NATIONAL.
In the world of rhetorical commentary, again, the above referenced statement should be no worse than Top 3, just behind "economic downturn" and "Trump is a ________!"
Originally posted by: ldferg I buy from them often and will continue to do so, but I still don't understand how being the "authenticator" of a PSA graded pack then selling said pack, regardless of grade, is not a huge conflict of interest.
Steve has stated that he does not submit his own packs to PSA for authentication/grading.
Originally posted by: Darin They haven't had any 75 baseball unopened for a long time. I know they have mini's, but I mean the regular size.
I bought a cello box of 1975 topps baseball (non minis) off them at the 2014 national. I am not sure how many cello boxes they had at that time. I think they had at least (1) box of cellos at the 2015 national as well. I haven't seen any on their website though.
Yeah, I've been looking for a regular 75 pack for quite awhile. I remember seeing one up on the website about a year ago, but it was gone by the time I went to buy it.
Fritsch has the 1975 cello market cornered. BBCE had 1 1975 wax box last year, but it went quickly. They also had a 1975 rack box last year that did not last long.
It may be time to dust off my unopened stuff. I don't have much before '81, but it would be fun to see what's going on with the '80s stuff. I still have a couple '84 Donruss boxes. Those have always been fun to track over the years...
I am going to resurrect this great time capsule of a thread. spent the weekend reading it. It is so interesting to read thoughts from a dozen years ago. the excitement and what folks thought were insane prices at the time. If they only knew what was to come!!
to those here that are still very active in the unopened market, how would you say things compare now?
I dont peruse BBCE weekly, has stock of 70's material improved? ( I doubt it)
I know prices have exploded. I imagine with the current prices and the cost of grading increasing, that opening vintage wax has slowed to a crawl.
another fun thing about reading this old thread was seeing some long lost members. I often wonder what happened to those who were so active and then fell off.
Mattyc used to be very active, then at some point he got the ban hammer. anyone remember what happened?
I also remember mintmoondog. he was into it big for a while and then dissapeared. anyone know if he is still in the hobby?
Bubblebathgirl got referrenced numerous times. i remember that guy being a hot mess. am i correct in thinking the controversy was him selling resealed packs?
some other long gone names in the thread as well. remember itzagoner?
if you are an unopened collector, take the time and read through the thread, it is a treat!
someone should start a new one, maybe call it "the state of unopened" or something!
Bubblebathgirl got referrenced numerous times. i remember that guy being a hot mess. am i correct in thinking the controversy was him selling resealed packs?
i think the dude's name is Paul S. He's on X and goes by bubblebathgirl. I assume it's the same guy. I read a lot of his posts. I have no idea about his collecting woes though.
in 2012 and 2013 I picked up 15 boxes of 1987 OPC baseball unopened. I opened 3. Got a PSA 10 BONDS out of it. SOld the Bonds for $1,250 around 2018 or so. i still have the other 12. I paid around $350 total for all 15 boxes.
SAme thing with 1985 leaf and 1987 leaf. Picked up a bunch around that time for around $25 - $30 a box.
The hobby has had rumors of the supposed train car loads of cards Fritsch bought from Topps for several years and from what I understand, these rumors have been true. One can only imagine what they are sitting on right now and I wonder if anyone outside of the Fritsch family has actually eye balled the warehouse full of cards that they have. I am willing to bet they have hundreds of cases of cards from the 60's and 70's that they are sitting on and letting small amounts out at a time. I think that, as the unopened prices continue to rise we will certainly see more of the Fritsch stash appear as well as all the other smaller collections come out of the woodwork. I think many holders of vintage unopened material still feel that the price ceiling for these cards has not even approached the limit and they will continue to hold onto their collection and watch the prices increase like they would a fine wine collection.
Here's a quote from the 1st page 12 years ago that caught my eye. Prices back in 2013 had not yet hit the ceiling. I wonder if we have seen the ceiling now in 2025, or if prices for 70s and early 80s unopened will continue to rise.
Similar story to me OLB, same time frame. I bought 55 boxes of 85 OPC, for 30 bucks each, ripped them all. Bought 86 and 91 OPC, multiple boxes around 10 bucks each. 87 for 50 bucks.
I think it is interesting that Fritsch only seems to have a few certain years of unopened baseball in wax/cello or rack. if memory serves:
1968
1970
1973
1975
1978
1979
we will never know with certainty, but i wonder why no 69 or 67 or 71 etc.? did he not order in quantity those years? did he sell out of those years?
if he had them, you would think we would have seen some throughout the years
I’ve been following bbce for a while now. I buy unopened packs but no boxes. I have found that 80s unopened on their site has continued to go up in price, even recently. Almost all early to mid 80s packs have been raised $1-5 each over the last month or so. They tend to sell out pretty quickly as well.
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PSA HOF Baseball Postwar Rookies Set Registry- (Currently 80.51% Complete)
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@UlyssesExtravaganza said:
Here was what was on display Friday. I did not buy anything but later kind of wished I bought that 1992 Bowman baseball. Fun set.
Sorry pics are not crystal clear so challenging to read the prices.
Prices are hard to read. Can you list the prices for topps baseball wax boxes from 81-85 and indicate if they are from a sealed case. Thank you.
I'm not sure either. Just going by the pic which I cant read too well and I did not study it closely then.
Mostly just looking at what boxes they were highlighting. But I'm sure the prices are the same as what they have on the web site. I know the 78 Topps football was 2400 and that stood out cause I remember getting one for 300 in around 2012 and said as much to the staff there. The 1984 Donruss not from a sealed case $829 felt lower than I would have expected.
To clarify, I have no connection to them, just passed by their booth at a show and felt I should take a picture of the eye candy.
I don't believe bubblebathgirl actually sold resealed packs… rather he opened a lot of legit boxes and then sold “resealing kits” consisting of perfect wrappers, gum, etc on eBay.
@PaulMaul said:
I don't believe bubblebathgirl actually sold resealed packs… rather he opened a lot of legit boxes and then sold “resealing kits” consisting of perfect wrappers, gum, etc on eBay.
And wouldn't ya know it? As that scam progressed, so did the proliferation of available packs being sold on eBay from rather notorious dealers, some of whom still thrive today.
Comments
<< <i>For those interested. BBCE finally has some 1987 Football from a sealed case available at $85 each. >>
"Sealed case." It's like a mating call.
Did you snag one?
you'll never be able to outrun a bad diet
<< <i>
<< <i>For those interested. BBCE finally has some 1987 Football from a sealed case available at $85 each. >>
"Sealed case." It's like a mating call.
Did you snag one? >>
i did pick one up. Even having 3 glasses of wine while perusing BBCE, I felt it was a good deal.
<< <i>i did pick one up. Even having 3 glasses of wine while perusing BBCE, I felt it was a good deal. >>
Aren't you in Cali? Are you having eggs, bacon and pinot noir? Dude, you're gonna end up with about 5 packages around Christmas if you don't close that browser...
(Nice addition, btw.)
you'll never be able to outrun a bad diet
<< <i>
<< <i>i did pick one up. Even having 3 glasses of wine while perusing BBCE, I felt it was a good deal. >>
Aren't you in Cali? Are you having eggs, bacon and pinot noir? Dude, you're gonna end up with about 5 packages around Christmas if you don't close that browser...
(Nice addition, btw.) >>
I closed my browser ASAP after the purchase!! lol
you'll never be able to outrun a bad diet
<< <i>Nyet. Awfully moist here lately, with some tasty FASC morsels... >>
Yup one less box.
Jim
60's OPC packs
72 BB, 60's FB, 71FB, 73FB, 74FB, 75FB, 76FB, 78FB Rack Packs
72 and earlier BB cello
Jimmy
Edited to ask how come this thread has pages in front of this one with no posts on them? I've never seen that before either lol. Lots of firsts today.
BBCEx sold a vending box BBCEx sealed for $550.
Probstein sold a 2 box lot BBCEx sealed for $787, 845 and 905.
I'm thinking the moral to the story? Don't sell 2 at a time?
<< <i>On early 80's at least, it doesn't seem to be drying up. Early this morning I picked up 2 1980 OPC baseball 4 pack wax racks. I've personally never seen these before since I've been back in the hobby. I know production was limited that year due to a strike, but thought that was a cool find. If I only could find a nice wax box eventually...
Jimmy
Edited to ask how come this thread has pages in front of this one with no posts on them? I've never seen that before either lol. Lots of firsts today. >>
I'm wondering if all the blank pages are missing posts from deleted accounts?
I saw the 1980 OPC wax racks and was ready to buy...
...except last time he had them they were $75 cheaper and I wasn't prepared for that much of a hike. However, yes -- they are mildly rare from what I can tell.
I've picked up a couple things and filled a few holes in my 80s unopened stash the past day or two (and duplicated where there weren't holes -- oh well).
<< <i>I'm wondering if all the blank pages are missing posts from deleted accounts?
I saw the 1980 OPC wax racks and was ready to buy...
...except last time he had them they were $75 cheaper and I wasn't prepared for that much of a hike. However, yes -- they are mildly rare from what I can tell.
I've picked up a couple things and filled a few holes in my 80s unopened stash the past day or two (and duplicated where there weren't holes -- oh well). >>
Wow, that's quite an increase. Has it been awhile since any of these have come up for sale? I haven't seen these come up since I've been collecting this set, unless I haven't been paying close enough attention. I've been working on the set a little under a year now. I like how it has 4 wax packs as opposed to Topps' 3..I don't plan on ripping these though. I want to preserve them as is.
I always seem to duplicate holes myself, especially when it comes to early 80's Topps. Can never seem to get enough of the stuff. For awhile, I wasn't ripping anything and just hoarding. Lately though, I'm starting to get the ripping urge and plan on doing a huge Christmas rip
<< <i>They may not be drying up but their customer service sure is >>
The pre-1978 Topps football boxes seem to sell almost immediately after being listed. I think the demand for these products is still very high.
How often does a pre-1960 pack come available and what are the prices right now with those packs. I've always been curious what a 48 Leaf pack would go for now - not that I would be able to afford it, but interested none the less.
I'd guess $25-30k.
A '56 would be $20k these days, a '58 pretty close.
Always looking for Topps Salesman Samples, pre '51 unopened packs, E90-2, E91a, N690 Kalamazoo Bats, and T204 Square Frame Ramly's
...and I do not believe they are drying up anytime soon.
Thanks,
David (LD_Ferg)
1985 Topps Football (starting in psa 8) - #9 - started 05/21/06
random question but were pre 1970 wax boxes cellophane wrapped?
no. I am not sure when Topps started wrapping their wax boxes---but probably in the '90s
I think the BBCE's are missing out on a great opportunity. The above mentioned quote should be their slogan and pasted all oveur every Facebook, Twitter and sports card chat board across the globe.
This is a company which doesn't just set up at the National. They DOMINATE THE NATIONAL.
In the world of rhetorical commentary, again, the above referenced statement should be no worse than Top 3, just behind "economic downturn" and "Trump is a ________!"
I buy from them often and will continue to do so, but I still don't understand how being the "authenticator" of a PSA graded pack then selling said pack, regardless of grade, is not a huge conflict of interest.
Steve has stated that he does not submit his own packs to PSA for authentication/grading.
I know they have mini's, but I mean the regular size.
They haven't had any 75 baseball unopened for a long time.
I know they have mini's, but I mean the regular size.
I bought a cello box of 1975 topps baseball (non minis) off them at the 2014 national. I am not sure how many cello boxes they had at that time. I think they had at least (1) box of cellos at the 2015 national as well. I haven't seen any on their website though.
Dave
My dream box is an unopened, BBCE authenticated 75 topps baseball wax box.
Couldn't afford one right now, but when I get rich in the future that's what I start shopping for.
I am going to resurrect this great time capsule of a thread. spent the weekend reading it. It is so interesting to read thoughts from a dozen years ago. the excitement and what folks thought were insane prices at the time. If they only knew what was to come!!
to those here that are still very active in the unopened market, how would you say things compare now?
I dont peruse BBCE weekly, has stock of 70's material improved? ( I doubt it)
I know prices have exploded. I imagine with the current prices and the cost of grading increasing, that opening vintage wax has slowed to a crawl.
another fun thing about reading this old thread was seeing some long lost members. I often wonder what happened to those who were so active and then fell off.
Mattyc used to be very active, then at some point he got the ban hammer. anyone remember what happened?
I also remember mintmoondog. he was into it big for a while and then dissapeared. anyone know if he is still in the hobby?
Bubblebathgirl got referrenced numerous times. i remember that guy being a hot mess. am i correct in thinking the controversy was him selling resealed packs?
some other long gone names in the thread as well. remember itzagoner?
if you are an unopened collector, take the time and read through the thread, it is a treat!
someone should start a new one, maybe call it "the state of unopened" or something!
George Brett, Roger Clemens and Tommy Brady.
moderately unsavory, this guy
😉
you'll never be able to outrun a bad diet
Bubblebathgirl got referrenced numerous times. i remember that guy being a hot mess. am i correct in thinking the controversy was him selling resealed packs?
i think the dude's name is Paul S. He's on X and goes by bubblebathgirl. I assume it's the same guy. I read a lot of his posts. I have no idea about his collecting woes though.
I remember reading this thread at the time and the Fritsch comment.
in 2012 and 2013 I picked up 15 boxes of 1987 OPC baseball unopened. I opened 3. Got a PSA 10 BONDS out of it. SOld the Bonds for $1,250 around 2018 or so. i still have the other 12. I paid around $350 total for all 15 boxes.
SAme thing with 1985 leaf and 1987 leaf. Picked up a bunch around that time for around $25 - $30 a box.
Here's a quote from the 1st page 12 years ago that caught my eye. Prices back in 2013 had not yet hit the ceiling. I wonder if we have seen the ceiling now in 2025, or if prices for 70s and early 80s unopened will continue to rise.
buying O-Pee-Chee (OPC) baseball
Similar story to me OLB, same time frame. I bought 55 boxes of 85 OPC, for 30 bucks each, ripped them all. Bought 86 and 91 OPC, multiple boxes around 10 bucks each. 87 for 50 bucks.
Sure wish I would have kept some sealed, oh well.
I think it is interesting that Fritsch only seems to have a few certain years of unopened baseball in wax/cello or rack. if memory serves:
1968
1970
1973
1975
1978
1979
we will never know with certainty, but i wonder why no 69 or 67 or 71 etc.? did he not order in quantity those years? did he sell out of those years?
if he had them, you would think we would have seen some throughout the years
George Brett, Roger Clemens and Tommy Brady.
I’ve been following bbce for a while now. I buy unopened packs but no boxes. I have found that 80s unopened on their site has continued to go up in price, even recently. Almost all early to mid 80s packs have been raised $1-5 each over the last month or so. They tend to sell out pretty quickly as well.
PSA HOF Baseball Postwar Rookies Set Registry- (Currently 80.51% Complete)
PSA Pro Football HOF Rookie Players Set Registry- (Currently 19.80% Complete)
PSA Basketball HOF Players Rookies Set Registry- (Currently 6.02% Complete)
I recall around 2000 that a 1967 sealed Topps baseball wax case high series sold in an auction house. Anyone else recall this?
Here was what was on display Friday. I did not buy anything but later kind of wished I bought that 1992 Bowman baseball. Fun set.
Sorry pics are not crystal clear so challenging to read the prices.
We laughed, we cried, we preached and we lied. What a great time to be alive.
Prices are hard to read. Can you list the prices for topps baseball wax boxes from 81-85 and indicate if they are from a sealed case. Thank you.
I'm not sure either. Just going by the pic which I cant read too well and I did not study it closely then.
Mostly just looking at what boxes they were highlighting. But I'm sure the prices are the same as what they have on the web site. I know the 78 Topps football was 2400 and that stood out cause I remember getting one for 300 in around 2012 and said as much to the staff there. The 1984 Donruss not from a sealed case $829 felt lower than I would have expected.
To clarify, I have no connection to them, just passed by their booth at a show and felt I should take a picture of the eye candy.
I don't believe bubblebathgirl actually sold resealed packs… rather he opened a lot of legit boxes and then sold “resealing kits” consisting of perfect wrappers, gum, etc on eBay.
@Yankees70
Best I can see in place of an "official response" is.
81 looks like $1050
84 looks like $495 - this is the toughest for me to read.
85 looks like $725
They all say FASC
They all seem expensive to me, or maybe they're cheap. I don't know anymore.
And wouldn't ya know it? As that scam progressed, so did the proliferation of available packs being sold on eBay from rather notorious dealers, some of whom still thrive today.