Last one from past FUN’s: The seller had a RD one @ over 2x the price but acknowledged I made a good choice with this one between the two. Really cool & tough 4* variety.
@rnkmyer1 said:
Last one from past FUN’s: The seller had a RD one @ over 2x the price but acknowledged I made a good choice with this one between the two. Really cool & tough 4* variety.
That 1880 S-1 is super nice!
I posted this one earlier in the thread....it is a very early dies state MS65RB, but it is full red, unquestioned.
Here are Rick Snows pics of the coin.
@rnkmyer1 said:
Last one from past FUN’s: The seller had a RD one @ over 2x the price but acknowledged I made a good choice with this one between the two. Really cool & tough 4* variety.
That 1880 S-1 is super nice!
I posted this one earlier in the thread....it is a very early dies state MS65RB, but it is full red, unquestioned.
Here are Rick Snows pics of the coin.
1873 Doubled Liberty MS63BN. This was bought at auction yesterday. I wish I had been able to get to FL to view it before the auction, but I think it looked choice for the grade, considering the amount of red remaining. This variety is often found with substantial strike throughs in LIBERTY and there is an MS63RB (Looks BN) for sale where you cannot see the "ERTY", which is the main focal point of the coin! This coin features all the detail. It went for less than I thought it would and was able to snag it.
Ultra Rarity. I never thought I would own one of these. In the PCGS pop, there’s one 62BN, then next is this XF45. The die gouge on the reverse looks like a failed lab experiment that was kept anyway for posterity. It runs over & under the shield bars & also over & under through the leaves before ending at 3:00 near the rim. Date is also repunched. Tips are full & surfaces not overly marked up.
@rnkmyer1 said:
Ultra Rarity. I never thought I would own one of these. In the PCGS pop, there’s one 62BN, then next is this XF45. The die gouge on the reverse looks like a failed lab experiment that was kept anyway for posterity. It runs over & under the shield bars & also over & under through the leaves before ending at 3:00 near the rim. Date is also repunched. Tips are full & surfaces not overly marked up.
The “common” is the issue itself - it’s pretty much available in all grades & color designations.
The “uncommon” though? This one year type is plagued by clashing, weak tips, incomplete diamonds & strike thrus. This coin has none of those. There are die lines behind the ear; these are very rarely seen. Just as rare is the reworked “ES” in STATES.
Add to all this is the exceptional eye appeal of this 65RB example.
@asheland: I found Rick’s description - looks like 7 yrs or so ago & before his PDS system.
“Fully struck & a beautiful example with prooflike fields on the obverse & die striations on the reverse. This is listed as a one-sided proof in my book. Very rare”.
The obv is the PR side from the PR3 die. The rev is MS, however, making this piece a MS coin. Very rare, but not unique.
I think that the obverse has too many dings in front of Liberty's face to believe that it is a proof obverse. It may be, but it looks like it was circulated before it was saved. After all, why would anyone in 1876 save this coin as a proof if they found it in circulation. And the planchets would not have been polished before the strike if it was intended to be a coin for circulation. Not sure if PCGS would authenticate this coin as a proof obverse even though there may be evidence it was struck with used proof dies. You have a sharp eye to make this determination, and you may be right. But it was never struck to be a proof coin and I do not think it will ever be recognized as a variety.
@OldIndianNutKase : good points. But PCGS would never authenticate as such as the reverse is clearly MS. I think that’s what would make the determination. I’m not aware of a coin graded both PR & MS & I admit I’m deferring to the boss on this one.
1876 IHC variety fact: there’s only 1 MS variety for this date; the least in the entire 51 year series with the exception of the 1909-S (which has none).
1867 IHC’s are exceptionally tough in GEM+ RD. The PCGS pop shows only 4 graded higher than this piece. Yet, very few who have seen it like it nearly as much as I do, if it all. I can’t figure out why & would welcome opinions from our members. No one who has reservations about it doubt the full RD color. The rev clashing has been mentioned as unusual, but not detrimental. Tips & diamonds are full. Marks seem consistent for the assigned grade.
I am surprised it did not grade .91 Questionable Color. To me it appears to have been dipped and the RD color just does not look as realistic as needs to be for a coin minted in 1867. I have only submitted one IHC (a 1904) that graded RD. Most of the others all graded .91
@OldIndianNutKase: thanks for your input. It surprised me, so I got the coin out & examined it. I see no evidence of dipping; the color is a nice golden RD & I think the coin is natural. I will say most of the 67’s I’ve seen have a deeper shade of RD, so that may make this one a little unusual in that respect.
1865 pattern on a Copper-Nickel planchet. It is the fancy 5, which is very rare for this issue and appears to have a repunched 65 in the date, not matched up to any RPD in Ricks guide. Graded MS65
This one is in a PCGS Copper-Nickel PR65 Holder. It used to be in a 1864 Bronze PF64BN holder? Which is it? Neither!!
It is a thick planchet Bronze (J-356a) that should be graded PR65RB!
Lastly, an 1863 Judd-300 with a reeded edge. This is graded PR65 and has a very cool backstory. It was cherrypicked raw at a coin shop a few years back. Was labeled as a PR, but the reeded edge went unnoticed by the dealer!
Here is the Eliasberg Specimen of the same J-300 graded MS64. It is in an OGH with CAC and Photo Seal. I could see it upgrading today.
Sorry for the double post, but my PL/EDS 1877 crossed to PCGS equivalently at MS65RB right after Long Beach. Here’s my notes:
MS65RB, Die 1, Fully Proof-like, First Strike, Die Stage A/A, PS. Perhaps the most interesting 1877 cent there is. I waited at least five years to buy this coin and then I waited another 8 months to get it crossed equivalently from NGC. It is the ONLY mint-state 1877 seen to date WITHOUT the reverse die clash above the O in ONE that essentially defines the reverse of both die pairings of this issue. Fully brilliant and at least ninety percent red. Actually looks full red under the light. Thanks Rick Snow for this wonderful unicorn of a coin.
I will say that the TV isn’t bad, but does wash out a lot of the brilliance of this coin in-hand. I will also say that this coin is quite hard to photograph, and the best I could do to capture the light coming off this specimen wasn’t much better. Anyway, there you have it. Another successful crossover, and still batting a thousand. Cheers!
@renomedphys said:
Sorry for the double post, but my PL/EDS 1877 crossed to PCGS equivalently at MS65RB right after Long Beach. Here’s my notes:
MS65RB, Die 1, Fully Proof-like, First Strike, Die Stage A/A, PS. Perhaps the most interesting 1877 cent there is. I waited at least five years to buy this coin and then I waited another 8 months to get it crossed equivalently from NGC. It is the ONLY mint-state 1877 seen to date WITHOUT the reverse die clash above the O in ONE that essentially defines the reverse of both die pairings of this issue. Fully brilliant and at least ninety percent red. Actually looks full red under the light. Thanks Rick Snow for this wonderful unicorn of a coin.
I will say that the TV isn’t bad, but does wash out a lot of the brilliance of this coin in-hand. I will also say that this coin is quite hard to photograph, and the best I could do to capture the light coming off this specimen wasn’t much better. Anyway, there you have it. Another successful crossover, and still batting a thousand. Cheers!
No new posts for 10 days - this thread is getting buried again. So, for all the IHC adherents, this cud special is for you. Check the reverse @ 9-9:30. This is a RD beauty with something extra. Very seldom seen on 1878’s.
Since November, I’ve picked up a few new Indians. I’m tight on time, so I’ll show just one at a time, spread over the next week or so, in Date order. All are upgrades to my IHC set, other than this one, which was bought for my Small Cent Proof Type Set.
It’s a shame that neither of these two dimensional photos can capture the lustrous and deep field mirrors one sees with the coin in hand.
CAC Pop = 4, and the Snow PDS Score = 14 (5,4,5).
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Next up are these two. I bought them @ the same show.
This one’s sold & now attributed - it’s a 1869/69 S-3; the 3d die pair. Other worldly toning!
I still own this one & always thought it was undergraded:
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The one below is an all time fave. It’s a 3* variety that’s not only seldom seen but has an awesome look with great color:
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Last one from past FUN’s: The seller had a RD one @ over 2x the price but acknowledged I made a good choice with this one between the two. Really cool & tough 4* variety.
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That 1880 S-1 is super nice!
I posted this one earlier in the thread....it is a very early dies state MS65RB, but it is full red, unquestioned.
Here are Rick Snows pics of the coin.
Here is my MS65BN - should be Red/Brown
That’s awesome!
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@rnkmyer1 great coins! 👍
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What he said.
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I think this used to be in an NGC 66RB Holder....did it cross at MS66RB? its a gorgeous coin!
I just checked the cert it is 66RB.
1873 Doubled Liberty MS63BN. This was bought at auction yesterday. I wish I had been able to get to FL to view it before the auction, but I think it looked choice for the grade, considering the amount of red remaining. This variety is often found with substantial strike throughs in LIBERTY and there is an MS63RB (Looks BN) for sale where you cannot see the "ERTY", which is the main focal point of the coin! This coin features all the detail. It went for less than I thought it would and was able to snag it.
@redraider - a beauty! Congrats!
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I should nickname this coin “glitter”. A great replacement for my old 66 that was the “dog” of my CN’s.
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1864 Copper Nickel - thin planchet with cool concentric lathe lines.
Often seen on Bronze planchets, this pattern coin exhibits the lathe lines seen on S-13 examples. Maybe unique?
Very nice! It looks a lot like my example. Nice clean surfaces. I think your is about one grade higher though… VF 30?
Mine is a 25:
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The “Elite” 8 - all 1869/69 die pairs. This was quite a hunt, but mission accomplished!
S-3a PCGS 66RB
S-3b PCGS 64RB ((this was the tough one & last acquired)
S-3c PCGS 64RB
S-3d PCGS 64RB
S-3e PCGS 64RB
S-3f PCGS 64RD
S-3g PCGS 65RB
S-3h PCGS 64RB
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Thanks asheland! PCGS VF35!
That’s a great coin! When I saw mine, I just had to have it!
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PR-66 RB
Very slight weakness in upper right obv @ 2:00, but with exceptional eye appeal that I find impossible to resist!
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I like that one!
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Ultra Rarity. I never thought I would own one of these. In the PCGS pop, there’s one 62BN, then next is this XF45. The die gouge on the reverse looks like a failed lab experiment that was kept anyway for posterity. It runs over & under the shield bars & also over & under through the leaves before ending at 3:00 near the rim. Date is also repunched. Tips are full & surfaces not overly marked up.
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Very cool and a great looking example! 👍
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Here's a couple of mine:
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Love the color & detail on this one:
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Common & Uncommon - this 1864 NoL (Bronze) IHC
The “common” is the issue itself - it’s pretty much available in all grades & color designations.
The “uncommon” though? This one year type is plagued by clashing, weak tips, incomplete diamonds & strike thrus. This coin has none of those. There are die lines behind the ear; these are very rarely seen. Just as rare is the reworked “ES” in STATES.
Add to all this is the exceptional eye appeal of this 65RB example.
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One sided Proof
The obv is the PR side from the PR3 die. The rev is MS, however, making this piece a MS coin. Very rare, but not unique.
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That’s really cool!
Is that in the Snow book?
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Yes - he discusses it on the 1876 page. It is cool!
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@asheland: I found Rick’s description - looks like 7 yrs or so ago & before his PDS system.
“Fully struck & a beautiful example with prooflike fields on the obverse & die striations on the reverse. This is listed as a one-sided proof in my book. Very rare”.
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I think that the obverse has too many dings in front of Liberty's face to believe that it is a proof obverse. It may be, but it looks like it was circulated before it was saved. After all, why would anyone in 1876 save this coin as a proof if they found it in circulation. And the planchets would not have been polished before the strike if it was intended to be a coin for circulation. Not sure if PCGS would authenticate this coin as a proof obverse even though there may be evidence it was struck with used proof dies. You have a sharp eye to make this determination, and you may be right. But it was never struck to be a proof coin and I do not think it will ever be recognized as a variety.
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@OldIndianNutKase : good points. But PCGS would never authenticate as such as the reverse is clearly MS. I think that’s what would make the determination. I’m not aware of a coin graded both PR & MS & I admit I’m deferring to the boss on this one.
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1876 IHC variety fact: there’s only 1 MS variety for this date; the least in the entire 51 year series with the exception of the 1909-S (which has none).
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What’s “wrong” with this coin:
1867 IHC’s are exceptionally tough in GEM+ RD. The PCGS pop shows only 4 graded higher than this piece. Yet, very few who have seen it like it nearly as much as I do, if it all. I can’t figure out why & would welcome opinions from our members. No one who has reservations about it doubt the full RD color. The rev clashing has been mentioned as unusual, but not detrimental. Tips & diamonds are full. Marks seem consistent for the assigned grade.
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OINK
@OldIndianNutKase: thanks for your input. It surprised me, so I got the coin out & examined it. I see no evidence of dipping; the color is a nice golden RD & I think the coin is natural. I will say most of the 67’s I’ve seen have a deeper shade of RD, so that may make this one a little unusual in that respect.
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1865 pattern on a Copper-Nickel planchet. It is the fancy 5, which is very rare for this issue and appears to have a repunched 65 in the date, not matched up to any RPD in Ricks guide. Graded MS65
This one is in a PCGS Copper-Nickel PR65 Holder. It used to be in a 1864 Bronze PF64BN holder? Which is it? Neither!!
It is a thick planchet Bronze (J-356a) that should be graded PR65RB!
Lastly, an 1863 Judd-300 with a reeded edge. This is graded PR65 and has a very cool backstory. It was cherrypicked raw at a coin shop a few years back. Was labeled as a PR, but the reeded edge went unnoticed by the dealer!
Here is the Eliasberg Specimen of the same J-300 graded MS64. It is in an OGH with CAC and Photo Seal. I could see it upgrading today.
My only RED proof. Ex. Brian Wagner
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Blazing luster on this double stickered GEM
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W O W !
That is crazy nice!
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Sorry for the double post, but my PL/EDS 1877 crossed to PCGS equivalently at MS65RB right after Long Beach. Here’s my notes:
MS65RB, Die 1, Fully Proof-like, First Strike, Die Stage A/A, PS. Perhaps the most interesting 1877 cent there is. I waited at least five years to buy this coin and then I waited another 8 months to get it crossed equivalently from NGC. It is the ONLY mint-state 1877 seen to date WITHOUT the reverse die clash above the O in ONE that essentially defines the reverse of both die pairings of this issue. Fully brilliant and at least ninety percent red. Actually looks full red under the light. Thanks Rick Snow for this wonderful unicorn of a coin.
I will say that the TV isn’t bad, but does wash out a lot of the brilliance of this coin in-hand. I will also say that this coin is quite hard to photograph, and the best I could do to capture the light coming off this specimen wasn’t much better. Anyway, there you have it. Another successful crossover, and still batting a thousand. Cheers!
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Hey Matt - has to be one of the most awesome IHC’s I’ve ever seen! Unique as well - great piece!
Ken
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That is fantastic!
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No new posts for 10 days - this thread is getting buried again. So, for all the IHC adherents, this cud special is for you. Check the reverse @ 9-9:30. This is a RD beauty with something extra. Very seldom seen on 1878’s.
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Since November, I’ve picked up a few new Indians. I’m tight on time, so I’ll show just one at a time, spread over the next week or so, in Date order. All are upgrades to my IHC set, other than this one, which was bought for my Small Cent Proof Type Set.
It’s a shame that neither of these two dimensional photos can capture the lustrous and deep field mirrors one sees with the coin in hand.
CAC Pop = 4, and the Snow PDS Score = 14 (5,4,5).
Steve
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