PS to my 3b post from yesterday. I thought the EDS (top pic) was a 3a die pair. I wanted to ensure I still had a complete set of the 1869/69 die pairs, so I bought this one yesterday:
It’s already out for designation. I included the descriptive literature from EERC. The tv is way too dark so I didn’t want to post it.
@TomB said:
Somehow, I managed to be on these boards for the last year without ever opening this thread up. I know, I know, how could that happen? Now that I have spent the last hour looking at these incredible IHCs and giving myself carpel tunnel from hitting the "Like" button over and over, I have come to the conclusion that @asheland can either pay for my medical expenses to carpel tunnel surgery or, instead, can simply mail me that incredibly attractive PCGS VF25 1877 that has been posted in this thread.
@TomB said:
I guess I get to put up post numbers 298 and 299 in this thread. This coin is not nearly as rare as myriad others in this thread and is not nearly as high grade as so many others and is definitely not nearly as valuable as coin after coin after coin that has been shared, but I like it. For the IHC series I really like RD coins to be in older holders because I believe they are likely going to be more stable overall, and much less likely to show a fingerprint in the future, than newer holdered coins.
100% agree with RED in the old holders!
A fatty with a gold sticker!? That is remarkable! I would be so proud to own that one!
@TomB said:
I guess I get to put up post numbers 298 and 299 in this thread. This coin is not nearly as rare as myriad others in this thread and is not nearly as high grade as so many others and is definitely not nearly as valuable as coin after coin after coin that has been shared, but I like it. For the IHC series I really like RD coins to be in older holders because I believe they are likely going to be more stable overall, and much less likely to show a fingerprint in the future, than newer holdered coins.
100% agree with RED in the old holders!
A fatty with a gold sticker!? That is remarkable! I would be so proud to own that one!
This is an interesting one....It was originally purchased in an NGC holder as a PF64BN (Bronze).
It was cracked and sent to PCGS, where it graded PF65 (copper Nickel).
Metallurgic analysis says it is bronze, but on a thick planchet. That should make it a J-356a Pattern and should be graded with a color designation. Looks absolutely Cameo in hand too!
@redraider: great coin! Curious about the metallurgical test: did you do that before or after going to PCGS? Are you going to attempt to designate it as a J-356a? Love these coins with distinct obv/rev contrast!
@Copperindian: Metlaergic testing was done in the NGC slab and was not accurate. It was cracked out and tested again and tested as bronze. It then went to PCGS (with the metallurgic testing results) where the testing results were ignored and went into a Copper-Nickel holder.
Here is the testing results. Interesting to see more than trace amount of silver and gold in the result.
The mint did a lot of funky stuff in 1864 in testing new metal compositions, so who knows what this one really is.
@redraider said: @Copperindian: Metlaergic testing was done in the NGC slab and was not accurate. It was cracked out and tested again and tested as bronze. It then went to PCGS (with the metallurgic testing results) where the testing results were ignored and went into a Copper-Nickel holder.
Here is the testing results. Interesting to see more than trace amount of silver and gold in the result.
The mint did a lot of funky stuff in 1864 in testing new metal compositions, so who knows what this one really is.
Graded MS 64BN. This is the very rare S-4 variety; few are known & this is a pop 2/0. The Big Registry Set? It’s the IHC Complete Variety Set with no less than 185(!) examples. I have 8 remaining after this find & it’s been months since I added one! Do I expect to finish it? No, not really. A handful that remain are very obscure & seldom seen, let alone available.
What made acquiring this coin even more difficult was the “road trip” it took over the past year. It started here:
It was a 62BN with the variety not designated. And yes, the TV’s are actually of the same coin. It was submitted for review/upgrade as the grade seemed low with the result above. The S-4 designation was also added.
One of 8 sharing the top pop. Really nice eye appeal & remarkable contrast between the two sides.
I find collecting toned proof IHC's can be way more challenging than RD IHC's. Way too many levels of RD that are only color. Color is truly special. But I do admire your dedication to all varieties which requires true intent. A toned proof set of IHC's would be like a walk in the park for you, and very gratifying as well.
(slab shot taken before the attribution was added).
The 1888 S-27 is #178 of the 185 needed for the IHC Complete Variety Set. It’s an absolute beast & I’ve occasionally had regrets about ever trying to achieve it. But, with “only” 7 to go, it’s become possible. I’ll have another one to add soon: a 1903 S-7 in PCGS 62BN. The seller is traveling, but I’m all too glad to work within his timetable. Then, I’ll have 6 remaining. It will be a tough 6 for sure!
I don’t recall ever posting this one. It’s not designated (& won’t be as long as I own it), but it’s the very tough 1867/67. The S-1 sticker designates the variety. Hard to tell from the woodgrain, but it’s close to full RD.
Edit: I neglected to add this, which nicely shows the overdate. It’s so pronounced, it can be seen with the naked eye:
Die cracks galore, extra outlines that look like doubling on the letters & feathers + lots of RD on the rev of this CACG pop 1/0 66BN. There’s also a PCGS pop 1/0 in 66BN, but I have no intentions to cross it. I’ve come to like the “integrity” of the CACG grade.
I don’t recall ever posting this one. It’s not designated (& won’t be as long as I own it), but it’s the very tough 1867/67. The S-1 sticker designates the variety. Hard to tell from the woodgrain, but it’s close to full RD.
Edit: I neglected to add this, which nicely shows the overdate. It’s so pronounced, it can be seen with the naked eye:
I love that! With the Eagle Eye sticker, and the S1 as far as I’m concerned, that’s as good as any designation that PCGS would put on there…
The 1908-S finally got the grade it deserved - posted it as a 66+ last year, upgraded at FUN.
What great memories looking through this thread - many GREAT coins!!
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I bought this coin years ago when I was in process of completing a mostly RD Registry IHC set. The good news is I didn’t pay up for it. The bad news is just about everything else. It’s really a 95% RD & probably should be in a RB holder. Eye appeal is mediocre. It won’t qualify for the EEPS nor green bean. Worst of all - I still own it!
This is a case in point for me not following Terry’s (@asheland) good parameters. His coin above is a nice true RD with no issues. I would buy his coin 10 times out of 10 today instead of mine!
I think they have both high grading standards & a quality slab. It’s a 1/0 in their pop & 15/3 in PCGS. Really nice eye appeal on this one & nearly mark free!
@Copperindian said:
Any of us “older” collectors remember Jefferson Airplane. This one reminds me of being at one of their shows. Although the memory is cloudy!
I don't think I will ever see another finer (at least to my taste)! This one is an absolute Banger !!!!!
@winesteven:
Steve, there’s a few posts in the BST forum from an individual that implies he owns the 1877 PCGS 65RB Gold CAC in Sunday’s GC auction. I don’t know if he’s using his name or a pseudonym: it’s “OwenSeymour”.
@Copperindian said: @winesteven:
Steve, there’s a few posts in the BST forum from an individual that implies he owns the 1877 PCGS 65RB Gold CAC in Sunday’s GC auction. I don’t know if he’s using his name or a pseudonym: it’s “OwenSeymour”.
I saw his post on a separate CoinCommunity forum. We seem to agree it'll sell for at least $30K, so I'm "watching it" on GC. He's hoping/thinking it'll go for $50K+, for reasons he describes. While I'm rooting for him, I'm not optimistic it'll hit that level. Obviously, I'm not bidding, as I cannot afford coins at those price points. but it's a pleasure to see coins like this.
It goes off this Sunday, and the current high hammer bid is $24,500.
Steve
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@jfriedm56 said: @Copperindian, Wonderful Ken! Can’t be but just a couple w/ Gold CAC. Outstanding! Zack.
Thanks Zack! It’s supposedly the only gold one, but I’m going to try & verify that. They don’t seem to break those out on the site.
Ken
Yes, they do. Their site might take a little getting used to, but it is pretty logical. Choose the coin type then choose the “Pop Only” option from one drop-down menu. Then choose “Stickered Only” from the next drop-down menu and finally a third drop-down menu will appear and choose “Gold Only” and the information appears.
Your coin is the only business strike 1877 IHC to receive a gold CAC sticker, regardless of c color designation or grade.
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@WiscKau: nice! Is this one raw?
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@TomB: glad you caught up with “us”! Nice 1908!
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PS to my 3b post from yesterday. I thought the EDS (top pic) was a 3a die pair. I wanted to ensure I still had a complete set of the 1869/69 die pairs, so I bought this one yesterday:
It’s already out for designation. I included the descriptive literature from EERC. The tv is way too dark so I didn’t want to post it.
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Thanks for the kind words!
NGC PF 64BN
Haha.
I can electronically mail this to you…
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100% agree with RED in the old holders!
A fatty with a gold sticker!? That is remarkable! I would be so proud to own that one!
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I love that one. I used to own it.
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This is an interesting one....It was originally purchased in an NGC holder as a PF64BN (Bronze).
It was cracked and sent to PCGS, where it graded PF65 (copper Nickel).
Metallurgic analysis says it is bronze, but on a thick planchet. That should make it a J-356a Pattern and should be graded with a color designation. Looks absolutely Cameo in hand too!
@redraider: great coin! Curious about the metallurgical test: did you do that before or after going to PCGS? Are you going to attempt to designate it as a J-356a? Love these coins with distinct obv/rev contrast!
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@Copperindian: Metlaergic testing was done in the NGC slab and was not accurate. It was cracked out and tested again and tested as bronze. It then went to PCGS (with the metallurgic testing results) where the testing results were ignored and went into a Copper-Nickel holder.
Here is the testing results. Interesting to see more than trace amount of silver and gold in the result.
The mint did a lot of funky stuff in 1864 in testing new metal compositions, so who knows what this one really is.
That’s very interesting!
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Upgrading:
I had a 64BN for about 10 years. The new one has exceptional eye appeal (but the old one wasn’t bad either):
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What a cool clash!
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Great coin Ken!! If you ever want to upgrade it again, I might be able to help you out.
Conquering the Big Registry Set:
Graded MS 64BN. This is the very rare S-4 variety; few are known & this is a pop 2/0. The Big Registry Set? It’s the IHC Complete Variety Set with no less than 185(!) examples. I have 8 remaining after this find & it’s been months since I added one! Do I expect to finish it? No, not really. A handful that remain are very obscure & seldom seen, let alone available.
What made acquiring this coin even more difficult was the “road trip” it took over the past year. It started here:
It was a 62BN with the variety not designated. And yes, the TV’s are actually of the same coin. It was submitted for review/upgrade as the grade seemed low with the result above. The S-4 designation was also added.
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Feeding the toner “addiction”:
One of 8 sharing the top pop. Really nice eye appeal & remarkable contrast between the two sides.
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The only one I've got but she makes me smile.
I find collecting toned proof IHC's can be way more challenging than RD IHC's. Way too many levels of RD that are only color. Color is truly special. But I do admire your dedication to all varieties which requires true intent. A toned proof set of IHC's would be like a walk in the park for you, and very gratifying as well.
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@Cladiator, she would make me smile, too!
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Another one “down”:
(slab shot taken before the attribution was added).
The 1888 S-27 is #178 of the 185 needed for the IHC Complete Variety Set. It’s an absolute beast & I’ve occasionally had regrets about ever trying to achieve it. But, with “only” 7 to go, it’s become possible. I’ll have another one to add soon: a 1903 S-7 in PCGS 62BN. The seller is traveling, but I’m all too glad to work within his timetable. Then, I’ll have 6 remaining. It will be a tough 6 for sure!
3/8 - updated slab shots added:
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That’s fantastic!
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A doily for a Sunday:
I don’t recall ever posting this one. It’s not designated (& won’t be as long as I own it), but it’s the very tough 1867/67. The S-1 sticker designates the variety. Hard to tell from the woodgrain, but it’s close to full RD.
Edit: I neglected to add this, which nicely shows the overdate. It’s so pronounced, it can be seen with the naked eye:
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Love all the busy goings-on with this one:
Die cracks galore, extra outlines that look like doubling on the letters & feathers + lots of RD on the rev of this CACG pop 1/0 66BN. There’s also a PCGS pop 1/0 in 66BN, but I have no intentions to cross it. I’ve come to like the “integrity” of the CACG grade.
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I love that! With the Eagle Eye sticker, and the S1 as far as I’m concerned, that’s as good as any designation that PCGS would put on there…
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I’ll post my latest:
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The 1908-S finally got the grade it deserved - posted it as a 66+ last year, upgraded at FUN.
What great memories looking through this thread - many GREAT coins!!
Bad buy:
I bought this coin years ago when I was in process of completing a mostly RD Registry IHC set. The good news is I didn’t pay up for it. The bad news is just about everything else. It’s really a 95% RD & probably should be in a RB holder. Eye appeal is mediocre. It won’t qualify for the EEPS nor green bean. Worst of all - I still own it!
This is a case in point for me not following Terry’s (@asheland) good parameters. His coin above is a nice true RD with no issues. I would buy his coin 10 times out of 10 today instead of mine!
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For those of you with super deep pockets (NOT me), look what I came across searching GC (GC Item ID 1787283). I don’t know the consignor:
Good luck! This should easily go for more than $30,000+.
Steve
My collecting “Pride & Joy” is my PCGS Registry Dansco 7070 Set:
https://www.pcgs.com/setregistry/type-sets/design-type-sets/complete-dansco-7070-modified-type-set-1796-date/publishedset/213996
I noticed that 1877 on GC, too, and expect it to receive spirited bidding.
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That’s awesome! Congratulations.
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Success! Just back from CAC:
Should arrive today; my partner feels it’s a 65+ which would more than double its value. Will submit in the near future with a few other candidates.
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@Copperindian, she’s a beauty Ken! Zack.
Going CACG (again):
I think they have both high grading standards & a quality slab. It’s a 1/0 in their pop & 15/3 in PCGS. Really nice eye appeal on this one & nearly mark free!
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I don't think I will ever see another finer (at least to my taste)! This one is an absolute Banger !!!!!
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Upgrading a variety with this “eye appeal” toner:
It’s a 65BN pop 1/0.
Replaces this one:
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@winesteven:
Steve, there’s a few posts in the BST forum from an individual that implies he owns the 1877 PCGS 65RB Gold CAC in Sunday’s GC auction. I don’t know if he’s using his name or a pseudonym: it’s “OwenSeymour”.
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I saw his post on a separate CoinCommunity forum. We seem to agree it'll sell for at least $30K, so I'm "watching it" on GC. He's hoping/thinking it'll go for $50K+, for reasons he describes. While I'm rooting for him, I'm not optimistic it'll hit that level. Obviously, I'm not bidding, as I cannot afford coins at those price points. but it's a pleasure to see coins like this.
It goes off this Sunday, and the current high hammer bid is $24,500.
Steve
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https://www.pcgs.com/setregistry/type-sets/design-type-sets/complete-dansco-7070-modified-type-set-1796-date/publishedset/213996
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I've come across a lot of Indians from that year with great strikes. That one is awesome!
TBD
BIG coin NEWP:
Posted in another thread this AM, but it certainly belongs here:
Gold CAC key date with about 75-80% RD. Will submit to EERC for the coveted EEPS COA.
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Congratulations on your incredible new Indian!
@Copperindian, Wonderful Ken! Can’t be but just a couple w/ Gold CAC. Outstanding! Zack.
Nice one Ken,
Glad to see this ended up with your collection! I got to see it in hand in Baltimore and it is a beauty! Congrats!
Thanks Zack! It’s supposedly the only gold one, but I’m going to try & verify that. They don’t seem to break those out on the site.
Ken
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@Copperindian Ken, when I watched that auction go down I knew YOU were on the winning end
Congrats, what a great looking coin
Mike
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@alaura22: Thanks Mike! I expected it to go higher & I would be blown out!
Ken
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I know the consignor, who posted in advance, was hoping it would exceed $50k
My collecting “Pride & Joy” is my PCGS Registry Dansco 7070 Set:
https://www.pcgs.com/setregistry/type-sets/design-type-sets/complete-dansco-7070-modified-type-set-1796-date/publishedset/213996
Yes, they do. Their site might take a little getting used to, but it is pretty logical. Choose the coin type then choose the “Pop Only” option from one drop-down menu. Then choose “Stickered Only” from the next drop-down menu and finally a third drop-down menu will appear and choose “Gold Only” and the information appears.
Your coin is the only business strike 1877 IHC to receive a gold CAC sticker, regardless of c color designation or grade.
https://www.cacgrading.com/pop/stickered-gold/17
In honor of the memory of Cpl. Michael E. Thompson