Gents - check out the link in TomB’s post above. One, I had no idea how to access this info; appreciate his direction! But two, I found this info fascinating & not altogether surprising. CAC issues the gold bean very sparingly. This 1877 is the ONLY 65RB that was awarded one in the entire IHC series if I’m reading it right!
Ken
I posted this coin in another thread, mentioning that I would update the CAC submission result here when it came in. I got the answer yesterday - SUCCESS! I’ll take a pic when I get it back & will edit this post.
Update: 5/1/25:
Here’s the new pic with the CAC sticker:
Ken - Not a surprise, as it's a great coin!!!! But I agree having submitted the coin to CAC stickering in NJ is a great way to help maximize the value of that coin!
While many collectors (and dealers) recognize the value of Rick Snow's Eagle Eye Photo Seals, there are many collectors that put greater value on the CAC sticker. I have learned that both JA at CAC and Rick each weigh factors differently in determining whether or not to apply their sticker. As such, there are some CAC stickered coins that Rick will not apply his Photo Seal to, and there are some coins with Photo Seals that JA will not sticker. Having BOTH stickers on the holder is having the best of both worlds. Some naively think of a double-stickered coin as redundant. I don't, and many other collectors don't either.
Congratulations!!!!!
Steve
A day without fine wine and working on your coin collection is like a day without sunshine!!!
@winesteven:
Thanks Steve -
Appreciate your comments. I still have a number of “big” ones like this I’ve never submitted. I do these particular to my situation, whether it’s to enhance a future sale, requested by a buyer, etc.
This one, though, was for me. I liked the coin’s chances & thought it would be cool to pair it with my 1871 Shallow N I won in the 2023 Blay auction!
Ken
If the 1859 IHC isn’t my favorite date in the entire 51 year series, it’s close. The one that started it all, it’s also a one year type. I think I’ve bought & sold & kept more of this date than any other. Here’s the latest:
Nice one & double stickered. Now take a look under a flash:
Difficult to see in the last pic, but the area around the “9” shows distinct repunching not yet seen in any other 1879 varieties. Will submit to Rick Snow for possible designation & his EEPS.
@Copperindian, wow Ken. Good eyes. What are your thoughts? I see it as maybe a 9/8 or 9/9 or nothing at all. I guess I’ll have to start looking at my IHCs with a bit more scrutiny. Good luck and I hope you found your discovery piece! Zack.
@jfriedm56: hi Zack! I think more like a 9/9. It’s got similarity as to location to the S-3, but it lacks the “1” characteristics the S-3 has. Showing inside the upper loop of the “9” & also below it. My version of the book stops @ S-5, but my friend’s goes to S-7. He thinks there’s similarity to the S-6, but I think there’s too much “action” on this “9” to match that. We’ll see what the “boss” says when he gets back from vacation. I need to get the EEPS anyway.
Ken
PS: I missed the repunching outside the upper loop @11:00. It covers a wide area but is faint.
@Copperindian, hey Ken. Is there really enough repunching around the inner and outer top loop to actually determine a new variety? I’m wondering if that could be the natural surface flow of the metal during the minting process. Anyway best of luck and can’t wait to see what the boss determines what it is. Zack
Difficult to see in the last pic, but the area around the “9” shows distinct repunching not yet seen in any other 1879 varieties. Will submit to Rick Snow for possible designation & his EEPS.
Regardless of variety, that is a beautiful example! Great find!
I’ve been searching for some time for a Proof Indian Cent for a 20th Century Proof Type Set, as I wanted one graded by PCGS as PR66RD with a CAC sticker. I got the following coin a few weeks ago, and sent it last week to Rick Snow to hopefully get his Eagle Eagle Eye Photo Seal. It came back today, with that sticker too.
There are 50 of these dated 1902 graded PR66RD (32 by PCGS, and 18 by NGC). Of those 50, only 11 have a CAC sticker! Snow PDS Score 14 (4,5,5).
Steve
A day without fine wine and working on your coin collection is like a day without sunshine!!!
This is an awesome coin! Thanks for posting it.
I recall reading about the mint marking coins to catch a thief a long time ago, and I always wondered if the marked examples made it into general circulation afterwards, and if they caught the culprit.
After seeing your coin and doing a quick search just now, I found both my answers.
Does anyone know if this was an isolated incident, or was this technique used to catch others at different times?
@Copperindian said:
Last one today - the historical “dot” reverse. 1875 PCGS 65+ RD S-16. My all time favorite & finest known.
@winesteven said:
I’ve been searching for some time for a Proof Indian Cent for a 20th Century Proof Type Set, as I wanted one graded by PCGS as PR66RD with a CAC sticker. I got the following coin a few weeks ago, and sent it last week to Rick Snow to hopefully get his Eagle Eagle Eye Photo Seal. It came back today, with that sticker too.
There are 50 of these dated 1902 graded PR66RD (32 by PCGS, and 18 by NGC). Of those 50, only 11 have a CAC sticker! Snow PDS Score 14 (4,5,5).
It’s now both CAC & EEPS. There are not many 1869/69 S-3 varieties with a 66RB grade (Pop is 5/0). Without a doubt, though, this one is the most rare. It’s an EDS of the toughest of the die pairs - the 3b!
@Copperindian said:
Today I have an update for the coin below:
It’s now both CAC & EEPS. There are not many 1869/69 S-3 varieties with a 66RB grade (Pop is 5/0). Without a doubt, though, this one is the most rare. It’s an EDS of the toughest of the die pairs - the 3b!
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@TomB: thank you! All good to know - appreciate it!
“The thrill of the hunt never gets old”
PCGS Registry: Screaming Eagles
Copperindian
Retired sets: Soaring Eagles
Copperindian
Nickelodeon
@winesteven: thanks Steve! In hand, it’s really special!
Ken
“The thrill of the hunt never gets old”
PCGS Registry: Screaming Eagles
Copperindian
Retired sets: Soaring Eagles
Copperindian
Nickelodeon
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@jfriedm56
Gents - check out the link in TomB’s post above. One, I had no idea how to access this info; appreciate his direction! But two, I found this info fascinating & not altogether surprising. CAC issues the gold bean very sparingly. This 1877 is the ONLY 65RB that was awarded one in the entire IHC series if I’m reading it right!
Ken
“The thrill of the hunt never gets old”
PCGS Registry: Screaming Eagles
Copperindian
Retired sets: Soaring Eagles
Copperindian
Nickelodeon
You are reading that correctly.
In honor of the memory of Cpl. Michael E. Thompson
Update on a BIG IHC:
I posted this coin in another thread, mentioning that I would update the CAC submission result here when it came in. I got the answer yesterday - SUCCESS! I’ll take a pic when I get it back & will edit this post.
Update: 5/1/25:
Here’s the new pic with the CAC sticker:
“The thrill of the hunt never gets old”
PCGS Registry: Screaming Eagles
Copperindian
Retired sets: Soaring Eagles
Copperindian
Nickelodeon
Ken - Not a surprise, as it's a great coin!!!! But I agree having submitted the coin to CAC stickering in NJ is a great way to help maximize the value of that coin!
While many collectors (and dealers) recognize the value of Rick Snow's Eagle Eye Photo Seals, there are many collectors that put greater value on the CAC sticker. I have learned that both JA at CAC and Rick each weigh factors differently in determining whether or not to apply their sticker. As such, there are some CAC stickered coins that Rick will not apply his Photo Seal to, and there are some coins with Photo Seals that JA will not sticker. Having BOTH stickers on the holder is having the best of both worlds. Some naively think of a double-stickered coin as redundant. I don't, and many other collectors don't either.
Congratulations!!!!!
Steve
My collecting “Pride & Joy” is my PCGS Registry Dansco 7070 Set:
https://www.pcgs.com/setregistry/type-sets/design-type-sets/complete-dansco-7070-modified-type-set-1796-date/publishedset/213996
@winesteven:
Thanks Steve -
Appreciate your comments. I still have a number of “big” ones like this I’ve never submitted. I do these particular to my situation, whether it’s to enhance a future sale, requested by a buyer, etc.
This one, though, was for me. I liked the coin’s chances & thought it would be cool to pair it with my 1871 Shallow N I won in the 2023 Blay auction!
Ken
“The thrill of the hunt never gets old”
PCGS Registry: Screaming Eagles
Copperindian
Retired sets: Soaring Eagles
Copperindian
Nickelodeon
@Copperindian that is spectacular! Congratulations!
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If the 1859 IHC isn’t my favorite date in the entire 51 year series, it’s close. The one that started it all, it’s also a one year type. I think I’ve bought & sold & kept more of this date than any other. Here’s the latest:
Nice one & double stickered. Now take a look under a flash:
Spectacular toning (rev is too)!
“The thrill of the hunt never gets old”
PCGS Registry: Screaming Eagles
Copperindian
Retired sets: Soaring Eagles
Copperindian
Nickelodeon
Maybe a new discovery?
Difficult to see in the last pic, but the area around the “9” shows distinct repunching not yet seen in any other 1879 varieties. Will submit to Rick Snow for possible designation & his EEPS.
“The thrill of the hunt never gets old”
PCGS Registry: Screaming Eagles
Copperindian
Retired sets: Soaring Eagles
Copperindian
Nickelodeon
@Copperindian, wow Ken. Good eyes. What are your thoughts? I see it as maybe a 9/8 or 9/9 or nothing at all. I guess I’ll have to start looking at my IHCs with a bit more scrutiny. Good luck and I hope you found your discovery piece! Zack.
@jfriedm56: hi Zack! I think more like a 9/9. It’s got similarity as to location to the S-3, but it lacks the “1” characteristics the S-3 has. Showing inside the upper loop of the “9” & also below it. My version of the book stops @ S-5, but my friend’s goes to S-7. He thinks there’s similarity to the S-6, but I think there’s too much “action” on this “9” to match that. We’ll see what the “boss” says when he gets back from vacation. I need to get the EEPS anyway.
Ken
PS: I missed the repunching outside the upper loop @11:00. It covers a wide area but is faint.
“The thrill of the hunt never gets old”
PCGS Registry: Screaming Eagles
Copperindian
Retired sets: Soaring Eagles
Copperindian
Nickelodeon
@Copperindian, hey Ken. Is there really enough repunching around the inner and outer top loop to actually determine a new variety? I’m wondering if that could be the natural surface flow of the metal during the minting process. Anyway best of luck and can’t wait to see what the boss determines what it is. Zack
Regardless of variety, that is a beautiful example! Great find!
My YouTube Channel
I’ve been searching for some time for a Proof Indian Cent for a 20th Century Proof Type Set, as I wanted one graded by PCGS as PR66RD with a CAC sticker. I got the following coin a few weeks ago, and sent it last week to Rick Snow to hopefully get his Eagle Eagle Eye Photo Seal. It came back today, with that sticker too.
There are 50 of these dated 1902 graded PR66RD (32 by PCGS, and 18 by NGC). Of those 50, only 11 have a CAC sticker! Snow PDS Score 14 (4,5,5).
Steve
My collecting “Pride & Joy” is my PCGS Registry Dansco 7070 Set:
https://www.pcgs.com/setregistry/type-sets/design-type-sets/complete-dansco-7070-modified-type-set-1796-date/publishedset/213996
This beat up old thing kept popping up in my eBay searches so I finally snagged it. The off center look appeals to me.
https://www.autismforums.com/media/albums/acrylic-colors-by-rocco.291/
@winesteven, wow Steve that proof is stunning! Definitely worth waiting for. Congrats. Zack.
This is an awesome coin! Thanks for posting it.
I recall reading about the mint marking coins to catch a thief a long time ago, and I always wondered if the marked examples made it into general circulation afterwards, and if they caught the culprit.
After seeing your coin and doing a quick search just now, I found both my answers.
Does anyone know if this was an isolated incident, or was this technique used to catch others at different times?
https://www.autismforums.com/media/albums/acrylic-colors-by-rocco.291/
That is a true beauty!
My YouTube Channel
Today I have an update for the coin below:
It’s now both CAC & EEPS. There are not many 1869/69 S-3 varieties with a 66RB grade (Pop is 5/0). Without a doubt, though, this one is the most rare. It’s an EDS of the toughest of the die pairs - the 3b!
“The thrill of the hunt never gets old”
PCGS Registry: Screaming Eagles
Copperindian
Retired sets: Soaring Eagles
Copperindian
Nickelodeon
@Copperindian, really a beauty Ken!
Thanks Zack - I had the bean, but needed Rick’s PS. It “wowed” him; said it’s 99% RD!
Ken
“The thrill of the hunt never gets old”
PCGS Registry: Screaming Eagles
Copperindian
Retired sets: Soaring Eagles
Copperindian
Nickelodeon
That is awesome!
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