1909-S cent with V.D.B. is a variety
mr1931S
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At least that's what Q. David Bowers has said.
“I believe in intuitions and inspirations. I sometimes feel that I am right. I do not know that I am. When two expeditions of scientists, financed by the Royal Academy, went forth to test my theory of relativity, I was convinced that their conclusions would tally with my hypothesis. I was not surprised when the eclipse of May 29, 1919, confirmed my intuitions. I would have been surprised if I had been wrong.”
“Then you trust more to your imagination than to your knowledge?”
“I am enough of the artist to draw freely upon my imagination. Imagination is more important than knowledge. Knowledge is limited. Imagination encircles the world.”
Albert Einstein- quoted in Saturday Evening Post interview (1929)
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very nice coin
Is it the "Whispering" variety?
The coin I pictured (one of the finest known 1909-S V.D.B. cents) is not the whispering V.D.B. variety of 1909-S. But they certainly do exist. Anyone familiar with Bert Harsche's book on counterfeit and altered coins, specifically the 5th or 6th edition, knows this. I can pretty much answer any questions you might have about 1909-S Lincoln cents or it's variation, the 1909-S Lincoln cent with V.D.B., so If you came here to learn about 1909-S or 1909-S V.D.B. ask your question here. No such thing as a dumb question in my way of thinking.
“I believe in intuitions and inspirations. I sometimes feel that I am right. I do not know that I am. When two expeditions of scientists, financed by the Royal Academy, went forth to test my theory of relativity, I was convinced that their conclusions would tally with my hypothesis. I was not surprised when the eclipse of May 29, 1919, confirmed my intuitions. I would have been surprised if I had been wrong.”
“Then you trust more to your imagination than to your knowledge?”
“I am enough of the artist to draw freely upon my imagination. Imagination is more important than knowledge. Knowledge is limited. Imagination encircles the world.”
Albert Einstein- quoted in Saturday Evening Post interview (1929)
Is this possibly the whispering VDB? Large seller has it listed on the Bay:
You proved to the forum that you can't tell a real S VDB from a counterfeit one even after everyone on the forum explains it to you for 3 months.
Okay, is or was this an 09-S-VDB? I've posted this coin many times before. I'm just hoping for another answer. 😂 🤣
That doesn't help me. Both center lines on the B are slanted up.
I think he may have been showing you the placement of the dot after the D.
Doesn't this dot look close to the genuine one?
Yes, the placement on yours looks correct.
That dot moves around a little bit on the VDB's and many times is closer to the D.
Got it, thanks. I'm just wondering if there are any other die marks that would point to a genuine S-VDB without seeing the S mint mark?
I don't know of any other markers that would confirm it for sure.
If you look at the 4 mint mark positions for a S VDB it would appear that Die #1, 2 & 3 would still show part of the S on the edge of the hole. That would leave die #4 as the only possibility. If it was a Die #4 the hole is in the perfect place to remove the entire mint mark. So in other words you have about a 25% chance that it was an S.
I don't know if my eyes are playing tricks on me but his N almost looks like a cross of a shallow & deep N?
Maybe I'm just tired and need to go to bed.
Is this a shallow N? I can't tell.
I don't think it is but I can take better pictures tomorrow.
That is the deep N
If it's not helping me, it's hurting me! 😂 🤣 😉
I think it’s the shallow N. All the shallow N’s have a webbing (for lack of a better description) at the V. Depending on the lighting it may look deeper than it is, but the deep N is a straight cut with none of the web look.
- Bob -
MPL's - Lincolns of Color
Central Valley Roosevelts
Maybe @OAKSTAR can get a better photo of it for us.
I don't know. You're the expert, why don't you tell us?
“I believe in intuitions and inspirations. I sometimes feel that I am right. I do not know that I am. When two expeditions of scientists, financed by the Royal Academy, went forth to test my theory of relativity, I was convinced that their conclusions would tally with my hypothesis. I was not surprised when the eclipse of May 29, 1919, confirmed my intuitions. I would have been surprised if I had been wrong.”
“Then you trust more to your imagination than to your knowledge?”
“I am enough of the artist to draw freely upon my imagination. Imagination is more important than knowledge. Knowledge is limited. Imagination encircles the world.”
Albert Einstein- quoted in Saturday Evening Post interview (1929)
Thanks for the invitation for me to further participate in a thread I started.
“I believe in intuitions and inspirations. I sometimes feel that I am right. I do not know that I am. When two expeditions of scientists, financed by the Royal Academy, went forth to test my theory of relativity, I was convinced that their conclusions would tally with my hypothesis. I was not surprised when the eclipse of May 29, 1919, confirmed my intuitions. I would have been surprised if I had been wrong.”
“Then you trust more to your imagination than to your knowledge?”
“I am enough of the artist to draw freely upon my imagination. Imagination is more important than knowledge. Knowledge is limited. Imagination encircles the world.”
Albert Einstein- quoted in Saturday Evening Post interview (1929)
Stby........
Have you bought yourself an SVDB yet? You were telling everyone on the forum about them but said you didn't own one, as I recall.
“I believe in intuitions and inspirations. I sometimes feel that I am right. I do not know that I am. When two expeditions of scientists, financed by the Royal Academy, went forth to test my theory of relativity, I was convinced that their conclusions would tally with my hypothesis. I was not surprised when the eclipse of May 29, 1919, confirmed my intuitions. I would have been surprised if I had been wrong.”
“Then you trust more to your imagination than to your knowledge?”
“I am enough of the artist to draw freely upon my imagination. Imagination is more important than knowledge. Knowledge is limited. Imagination encircles the world.”
Albert Einstein- quoted in Saturday Evening Post interview (1929)
Here's my SVDB. Fake or real?
“I believe in intuitions and inspirations. I sometimes feel that I am right. I do not know that I am. When two expeditions of scientists, financed by the Royal Academy, went forth to test my theory of relativity, I was convinced that their conclusions would tally with my hypothesis. I was not surprised when the eclipse of May 29, 1919, confirmed my intuitions. I would have been surprised if I had been wrong.”
“Then you trust more to your imagination than to your knowledge?”
“I am enough of the artist to draw freely upon my imagination. Imagination is more important than knowledge. Knowledge is limited. Imagination encircles the world.”
Albert Einstein- quoted in Saturday Evening Post interview (1929)
1909-S V.D.B., the variety of Lincoln cent that the collector does not need in their collection to be able to legitimately say he or she has a complete set. 1909-S V.D.B. is not a necessary coin for the collector to acquire for completion of the set of Lincoln cents, 1909-1940.
“I believe in intuitions and inspirations. I sometimes feel that I am right. I do not know that I am. When two expeditions of scientists, financed by the Royal Academy, went forth to test my theory of relativity, I was convinced that their conclusions would tally with my hypothesis. I was not surprised when the eclipse of May 29, 1919, confirmed my intuitions. I would have been surprised if I had been wrong.”
“Then you trust more to your imagination than to your knowledge?”
“I am enough of the artist to draw freely upon my imagination. Imagination is more important than knowledge. Knowledge is limited. Imagination encircles the world.”
Albert Einstein- quoted in Saturday Evening Post interview (1929)
If it was fake we wouldn't take another 3 months to explain it to you.
I don't recall stating that here like you did
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You stated:
" I can pretty much answer any questions you might have about 1909-S Lincoln cents or it's variation, the 1909-S Lincoln cent with V.D.B., so If you came here to learn about 1909-S or 1909-S V.D.B. ask your question here. No such thing as a dumb question in my way of thinking.
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Stby........
Maybe "we" wouldn't but my money is on that you would.
“I believe in intuitions and inspirations. I sometimes feel that I am right. I do not know that I am. When two expeditions of scientists, financed by the Royal Academy, went forth to test my theory of relativity, I was convinced that their conclusions would tally with my hypothesis. I was not surprised when the eclipse of May 29, 1919, confirmed my intuitions. I would have been surprised if I had been wrong.”
“Then you trust more to your imagination than to your knowledge?”
“I am enough of the artist to draw freely upon my imagination. Imagination is more important than knowledge. Knowledge is limited. Imagination encircles the world.”
Albert Einstein- quoted in Saturday Evening Post interview (1929)
Nope
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Posted by mistake.
- Bob -
MPL's - Lincolns of Color
Central Valley Roosevelts
Are you acknowledging me as the 1909-S and 1909-S V.D.B. expert around here now? If so, please stop as being recognized as such I am not worthy of. Now, Harsche, there's your real expert. The only discrepency, if you will, in Harsche's 5th and 6th editions of Detecting Counterfeit and Altered Coins is that Harsche never saw what we now know as 1909-S V.D.B. from PCGS obverse die #1. Obviously, no expert can identify and list what they don't see. It so happens that a 1909-S V.D.B. Lincoln cent from PCGS obverse die #1 is scarcer than an example from any of the other three obverse dies used for SVDB. The difference between the dies is in the position of the 's' mintmark.
“I believe in intuitions and inspirations. I sometimes feel that I am right. I do not know that I am. When two expeditions of scientists, financed by the Royal Academy, went forth to test my theory of relativity, I was convinced that their conclusions would tally with my hypothesis. I was not surprised when the eclipse of May 29, 1919, confirmed my intuitions. I would have been surprised if I had been wrong.”
“Then you trust more to your imagination than to your knowledge?”
“I am enough of the artist to draw freely upon my imagination. Imagination is more important than knowledge. Knowledge is limited. Imagination encircles the world.”
Albert Einstein- quoted in Saturday Evening Post interview (1929)
I seldom agree with anything I see you spout here; please get a life outside of here...
The light, focus and angle wasn't easy but here it is. You tell me.
Did everybody get the new book by Harsche?..................
"When they can't find anything wrong with you, they create it!"
Doesn't look sharp:
@OAKSTAR This one sure makes it look like a shallow N.
Waiting for Harsche confirmation...
@mr1931S I was honestly asking if this one meets your definition of the whispering VDB variety.
That's what I was thinking @ifthevamzarockin
09 S. N in UNITED not right.
RIP Mom- 1932-2012
I think he is asking if the VDB is right.
If the VDB is right on this coin, the S mint mark is a fake. No authentic SVDB has a reverse with that N.
- Bob -
MPL's - Lincolns of Color
Central Valley Roosevelts
Is the VDB right?
Looks like deep N - yellow arrow points to (what looks like) "gunk" in the crotch (
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"When they can't find anything wrong with you, they create it!"