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  • halosfanhalosfan Posts: 2,643 ✭✭✭✭

    The site has been a mess today so here are a few from todays return from over a year ago.

    Here’s one of Bernie. Too bad he was never able to get his super bowl. He led some fun teams to watch.

    I love the triple threads and this issue was similar and couldn’t resist a teddy

    I’ve been picking up more pop culture cards and she was def an icon

    Pitcher bat cards have always been an interest of mine. Add some ink and Doc and I was in.

    Here’s hoping more subs get finalized over the next month or so

    Looking for a Glen Rice Inkredible and Alex Rodriguez cards
  • CentauriCentauri Posts: 129 ✭✭✭

    Hey - technically Bernie did win a title. He carried a clipboard in Dallas during one of their wins.

  • envoy982envoy982 Posts: 388 ✭✭✭

    @halosfan - Love all of those cards! It does bother me that they decided to slab all of the horizontal cards with the flip on the right but not the Doc though. It was obviously the same person slabbing them.

  • halosfanhalosfan Posts: 2,643 ✭✭✭✭

    @envoy982 said:
    @halosfan - Love all of those cards! It does bother me that they decided to slab all of the horizontal cards with the flip on the right but not the Doc though. It was obviously the same person slabbing them.

    The seems to never be consistent with horizontal cards. It should be better

    Looking for a Glen Rice Inkredible and Alex Rodriguez cards
  • jeffcbayjeffcbay Posts: 8,950 ✭✭✭✭

    @envoy982 said:
    @halosfan - Love all of those cards! It does bother me that they decided to slab all of the horizontal cards with the flip on the right but not the Doc though. It was obviously the same person slabbing them.

    The Gooden makes sense if you look where it says "Leather & Lumber" on the front of the card (plus the back of the Gooden card is vertical). Same with the Kosar if you look at "Endorsements" on the front of the card, and the back is also vertical. The Williams and the West have all horizontal text on front and back so at least they're consistent with the general rule of "read from the right edge" when you have the slab tilted vertically. I'm really not trying to defend PSA here, but I can see their reasoning to make the Gooden different.

  • Mickey71Mickey71 Posts: 4,261 ✭✭✭✭

    Why not just all horizontal cards on the front have the label to the right. Done.

  • jeffcbayjeffcbay Posts: 8,950 ✭✭✭✭

    @Mickey71 said:
    Why not just all horizontal cards on the front have the label to the right. Done.

    Because the back might be upside down... or certain words on the card's front might be upside down. (see above post)

  • handymanhandyman Posts: 5,420 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited June 1, 2022 3:08PM

    Whats the current wait for Economy currently? I have one rec 5/04 entered 5/06 in grading. Are they going the full 90days or a month or so?

    Ahh just discovered this. Thought I saw someone say something about complete through dates.
    https://www.psacard.com/communication#ctd

  • Mickey71Mickey71 Posts: 4,261 ✭✭✭✭

    @jeffcbay said:

    @Mickey71 said:
    Why not just all horizontal cards on the front have the label to the right. Done.

    Because the back might be upside down... or certain words on the card's front might be upside down. (see above post)

    Technically, I agree with you; but were talking about simply standard label placement across the board for horizontal cards. Not talking about the back either. I've seen 1956 topps where the placement is different. This drives set collectors crazy. Put the label on left or right....not both. How easy is that standard ??

  • Jayman1982Jayman1982 Posts: 469 ✭✭✭

    @TsavoriteSam said:
    Is it me or has the cards that have been at PSA over a year slowed down since they opened up submissions again?

    It's more to do with which part of the backlog they have begun working on, that being the massive onslaught of daily shipments they were receiving end of April, start of May 2021 when they announced they were closing submissions.

  • FrozencaribouFrozencaribou Posts: 1,094 ✭✭✭✭✭

    From a March 30, 2021 Forbes article. "On a single day in late March, the company received 660,000 cards. “We literally broke the USPS in Southern California,” Turner says. “They called us and said they couldn’t manifest the boxes. I think we rented school buses with security guards and drove to USPS to pick them up.”

    As the backlog approached 13 million cards, the company had to rent temporary storage space and kick employees out of private offices to make room for the new submissions. Overwhelmed, PSA announced last March 30 that it was suspending service at its lower tiers. That prompted an outcry from collectors, but the company saw the pause as an opportunity not only to catch up but to scale up."

    Remember the board buzzing about the price increase on value around that time? It was the worst kept secret and they are just getting into it I suppose.

    My outstanding order arrived on 3/16 and has been in grading since 8/1/2021. Even if PSA is churning out 900k cards a month, it still seems like a long way from completing the backlog.

    -Nathanael

  • @Jayman1982 said:

    @TsavoriteSam said:
    Is it me or has the cards that have been at PSA over a year slowed down since they opened up submissions again?

    It's more to do with which part of the backlog they have begun working on, that being the massive onslaught of daily shipments they were receiving end of April, start of May 2021 when they announced they were closing submissions.

    it has been so long without my cards that my memory may be foggy but I thought they shut down subs on March 31st? They finally got caught up on order entry in late May.

    They are currently up to what , 900K a month grading. Was probably less than 500K back then . based on 90% capacity and todays capacity it would be 16 months to clear. based on capacity back then 29 months. so as psa has stated, the backlog should be cleared by the end of the year which is somewhere in between.

  • envoy982envoy982 Posts: 388 ✭✭✭

    According to PSA the backlog a week or two ago sat around 3.6 million cards. Over half of those are graded but waiting on assembly and shipping. They are churning out roughly 800k cards per month which would put the backlog (even at 80-85% capacity dedicated to backlog) around 5 months. You can be assured that we will not see a $10-12 rack rate ever again. My guess is $20-25 will be the bottom. I will take Nat at his word that they will work on doing stuff for the registry folks and I expect that will come in the form of specials. Hopefully a $10-12 rate will be available then. If not, several hundred cards for my sets will remain raw and I’ll be out of the registry completely and I’ll let my membership lapse. I was primarily flipping to support my registry sets and I bet there are a lot of others doing the same.

  • Jayman1982Jayman1982 Posts: 469 ✭✭✭

    @beachbumcollecting said:

    @Jayman1982 said:

    @TsavoriteSam said:
    Is it me or has the cards that have been at PSA over a year slowed down since they opened up submissions again?

    It's more to do with which part of the backlog they have begun working on, that being the massive onslaught of daily shipments they were receiving end of April, start of May 2021 when they announced they were closing submissions.

    it has been so long without my cards that my memory may be foggy but I thought they shut down subs on March 31st? They finally got caught up on order entry in late May.

    They are currently up to what , 900K a month grading. Was probably less than 500K back then . based on 90% capacity and todays capacity it would be 16 months to clear. based on capacity back then 29 months. so as psa has stated, the backlog should be cleared by the end of the year which is somewhere in between.

    Yes but if you created a submission on March 31 you still had 30 days to get the package in their hands before the order expired.

  • @Jayman1982 said:

    @beachbumcollecting said:

    @Jayman1982 said:

    @TsavoriteSam said:
    Is it me or has the cards that have been at PSA over a year slowed down since they opened up submissions again?

    It's more to do with which part of the backlog they have begun working on, that being the massive onslaught of daily shipments they were receiving end of April, start of May 2021 when they announced they were closing submissions.

    it has been so long without my cards that my memory may be foggy but I thought they shut down subs on March 31st? They finally got caught up on order entry in late May.

    They are currently up to what , 900K a month grading. Was probably less than 500K back then . based on 90% capacity and todays capacity it would be 16 months to clear. based on capacity back then 29 months. so as psa has stated, the backlog should be cleared by the end of the year which is somewhere in between.

    Yes but if you created a submission on March 31 you still had 30 days to get the package in their hands before the order expired.

    does it matter at this point? is it worth debating?

    trying to give people a guide who were new to this last year, anything submitted just before they shut down still has a ways to go. they are still grading orders that were received in january and things blew up from there. simple extrapolation puts stuff received in march at a minimum of 3 more months and knowing the exponential increase in orders it is probably 6 more months

  • envoy982envoy982 Posts: 388 ✭✭✭

    @jeffcbay interesting point. Pretty crazy and they have to have more than that on-hand too! I want to know what happens to all the card saver 1’s though!

  • MarshallFaulk28MarshallFaulk28 Posts: 383 ✭✭✭

    Yeah, I don’t think PSA is winning any environmental awards anytime soon if they are just tossing all those card savers most of which were probably used just the one time to mail them a card.

  • handymanhandyman Posts: 5,420 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited June 3, 2022 9:26AM

    They put stickers on all of them like when they get them from the start. They are ruined and not brand new until the end. Like when you get one returned for min size. They have tracking stickers from the start. So not sure why anyone would want a bunch of card savers with stickers on the fronts

  • Bosox1976Bosox1976 Posts: 8,565 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I have a 4/30/2021 Value Modern that was in Grading for months move into Assembly last weekend. Still languishing there.

    Mike
    Bosox1976
  • bobbybakerivbobbybakeriv Posts: 2,186 ✭✭✭✭

    @Bosox1976 said:
    I have a 4/30/2021 Value Modern that was in Grading for months move into Assembly last weekend. Still languishing there.

    Good to hear that something is moving. I wonder why the CTD for this group is still stuck on 03/04? I have a submission that was entered a few days after yours that is still in grading (and has been for months).

  • UlyssesExtravaganzaUlyssesExtravaganza Posts: 765 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Anyone have any experience with how long, in the $50 allocation world, it typically takes to movie from Step 7 QA2 to Step 8 Ship/Pop? It sat in grading for a little while but then moved quickly from steps 5 to 7. Maybe only a day to advance to the next step each time. But now I have been holding my breath and gritting my teeth for maybe the last 72 hours. Felt like this was maybe the quickest step. On my big 14 month wait $12 a card order think it went from 7 to 8 quick. Seems logical. They just have to confirm labels and put it in the mail and then they get to accept the money. Feels like there would be a lot of motivation to fly through those steps.

  • envoy982envoy982 Posts: 388 ✭✭✭

    @UlyssesExtravaganza 5-7 days on the last 3 Economy subs I sent. Most recent was 6 days and those popped on 6/1.

  • UlyssesExtravaganzaUlyssesExtravaganza Posts: 765 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Thanks envoy. I will breathe again. :D The only bright spot is maybe it hits next month's credit card statement. Ha ha. This is a big one and its starting to resonate. All those card investment decisions made in the year plus during the pandemic, expensive decisions, going to find out if it was a success or epic fail soon. I got the bottle ready either way. It would serve both purposes. Celebration or drown the miseries.

  • BBBrkrrBBBrkrr Posts: 1,491 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @Bosox1976 said:
    I have a 4/30/2021 Value Modern that was in Grading for months move into Assembly last weekend. Still languishing there.

    Don't get too excited. My Value Modern from last year has been in Assembly since May 4th. You probably have a ways to go.

  • Teri12357Teri12357 Posts: 32 ✭✭

    these just went in to QA-1. Hoping for 7 or better on the Yankee/Dodger subs. Will post grades when i get them.

    1939 W.A. & A.C. Churchman Kings of Speed 45 Jesse Owens--Hoping for 9

    1951 Bowman 218 Ed Lopat
    1952 Bowman 73 Jerry Coleman
    1952 Bowman 241 Mel Parnell
    1952 Topps 57 Ed Lopat
    1953 Topps 137 John Rutherford
    1954 Bowman 81 Jerry Coleman 1.000/.975 Field Avg.
    1954 Bowman 224 William Bruton
    1955 Topps 158 Tom Carroll
    1955 Topps 199 Bert Hamric
    1956 Topps 190 Carl Furillo
    1961 Topps 260 Don Drysdale
    1963 Topps 2 AL Batting Leaders (Mantle)
    1963 Topps 550 Duke Snider

    2000 Quantum Leaf 343 Tom Brady
    2017 Panini Crown Royale 84 Patrick Mahomes II
    2001 Russian Ice Young Lions 3 Alexander Ovechkin Young Lions
    2001 Russian Ice Dynamo Moscow HC 15 Alexander Ovechkin Dynamo Moscow HC
    2001 Upper Deck Golf 1 Tiger Woods X2

  • UlyssesExtravaganzaUlyssesExtravaganza Posts: 765 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @Teri12357 said:
    these just went in to QA-1. Hoping for 7 or better on the Yankee/Dodger subs. Will post grades when i get them.

    1939 W.A. & A.C. Churchman Kings of Speed 45 Jesse Owens--Hoping for 9

    1951 Bowman 218 Ed Lopat
    1952 Bowman 73 Jerry Coleman
    1952 Bowman 241 Mel Parnell
    1952 Topps 57 Ed Lopat
    1953 Topps 137 John Rutherford
    1954 Bowman 81 Jerry Coleman 1.000/.975 Field Avg.
    1954 Bowman 224 William Bruton
    1955 Topps 158 Tom Carroll
    1955 Topps 199 Bert Hamric
    1956 Topps 190 Carl Furillo
    1961 Topps 260 Don Drysdale
    1963 Topps 2 AL Batting Leaders (Mantle)
    1963 Topps 550 Duke Snider

    2000 Quantum Leaf 343 Tom Brady
    2017 Panini Crown Royale 84 Patrick Mahomes II
    2001 Russian Ice Young Lions 3 Alexander Ovechkin Young Lions
    2001 Russian Ice Dynamo Moscow HC 15 Alexander Ovechkin Dynamo Moscow HC
    2001 Upper Deck Golf 1 Tiger Woods X2

    Good luck Teri. If you dont mind, please post pics of those Ovechkins when they are returned. Would love to see them.

  • Bosox1976Bosox1976 Posts: 8,565 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Congratulations UlyssesExtravaganza!

    Lots of nice hits there!

    Mike
    Bosox1976
  • Teri12357Teri12357 Posts: 32 ✭✭
    edited June 3, 2022 7:59PM



    Will Do. These are the before pictures of them

  • UlyssesExtravaganzaUlyssesExtravaganza Posts: 765 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Thanks Bosox and Teri. Beauties. Might have to try to find some of those.

  • threeofsixthreeofsix Posts: 641 ✭✭✭✭
    edited June 6, 2022 4:51PM

    I got my TCG value submission back today…submission date details below.

    Results were as expected. Yay!

    Mailed 02/10/21
    Received 02/11/21
    Accepted 04/09/21
    Grading 11/04/21
    Q1 05/30/22
    Q2 5/31/22
    Shipped 06/02/22

    The needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few. Or the one.
    Live long, and prosper.
  • MarshallFaulk28MarshallFaulk28 Posts: 383 ✭✭✭

    Anyone planning to partake in the new "Value" service tomorrow? PSA needs to start a new backlog for the fall. 🙂

  • Jayman1982Jayman1982 Posts: 469 ✭✭✭

    @MarshallFaulk28 said:
    Anyone planning to partake in the new "Value" service tomorrow? PSA needs to start a new backlog for the fall. 🙂

    Damn right I did, need my fix, was refreshing the submit page all day to see when it would open

  • MarshallFaulk28MarshallFaulk28 Posts: 383 ✭✭✭

    @Jayman1982 said:

    @MarshallFaulk28 said:
    Anyone planning to partake in the new "Value" service tomorrow? PSA needs to start a new backlog for the fall. 🙂

    Damn right I did, need my fix, was refreshing the submit page all day to see when it would open

    I'm getting one ready too. For me, 20 cards is about right for what I'm comfortable sending at this price point, so I think I'll do one order. I have a bunch of cards I'd like to have dual-graded, but certainly not 20. It would definitely be nice for me if were possible to send a mix of cards in a single order- some dual-graded, some not - but I guess you can't.

  • bobbybakerivbobbybakeriv Posts: 2,186 ✭✭✭✭
    edited June 10, 2022 10:02AM

    I am still waiting on a "Modern" value sub (the cards are (75 thru 77 Topps) that was officially entered on 05/04/2021 and received in March. It is 59 cards total and still in "grading" (sitting on a shelf somewhere). I will not be submitting to PSA anymore. Waiting well over a year to get grades? TOTALLY unacceptable. It is not like PSA is an economic value. New ownership/management is completely focused on making money. Understood. However, I quite literally did not sign up for this. The deal was different when I slapped down my money for a membership.

  • jeffcbayjeffcbay Posts: 8,950 ✭✭✭✭

    With current card values being at pre-pandemic lows, it's difficult for me to justify submitting enough cards to fill the 20-card minimum in the $30 Value Tier. A year ago it would have been a no-brainer. I only have about a dozen that would make the cut, in my opinion.

    I currently have three cards sitting in a $50 Economy Tier sub, so that's enough to scratch my itch for now. In the meantime, I'll be waiting patiently for the next tier (maybe a $20 - $299 max value tier). I hope it doesn't take too long, since my Collectors Club Membership is a ticking clock.

  • MarshallFaulk28MarshallFaulk28 Posts: 383 ✭✭✭

    @jeffcbay said:
    With current card values being at pre-pandemic lows, it's difficult for me to justify submitting enough cards to fill the 20-card minimum in the $30 Value Tier. A year ago it would have been a no-brainer. I only have about a dozen that would make the cut, in my opinion.

    I currently have three cards sitting in a $50 Economy Tier sub, so that's enough to scratch my itch for now. In the meantime, I'll be waiting patiently for the next tier (maybe a $20 - $299 max value tier). I hope it doesn't take too long, since my Collectors Club Membership is a ticking clock.

    That's sure the truth. The cards I'm picking for my submission I'm trying to ensure their prices aren't on a downward trajectory. Otherwise, might as well just wait for better grading prices. For me, 15 cards would be better. The last few are a bit of a stretch. Hopefully by September, the cards aren't completely worthless. lol

  • rexvosrexvos Posts: 3,330 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @Jayman1982 said:

    @MarshallFaulk28 said:
    Anyone planning to partake in the new "Value" service tomorrow? PSA needs to start a new backlog for the fall. 🙂

    Damn right I did, need my fix, was refreshing the submit page all day to see when it would open

    I sent 21. I had 10 I really wanted to sub, and 11 a threw in just to get over the limit plus one.

    What you gonna do.

    Looking for FB HOF Rookies
  • Teri12357Teri12357 Posts: 32 ✭✭

    My $50 Value just moved in to QA1 and order was entered on 5/12/22

    Expecting 7.5 or higher on the Vintage. If not, it was like playing the horses and i tear up the ticket.

    1939 W.A. & A.C. CHURCHMAN KINGS OF SPEED 45 JESSE OWENS
    1951 BOWMAN 218 ED LOPAT
    1952 BOWMAN 73 JERRY COLEMAN
    1952 BOWMAN 241 MEL PARNELL
    1952 TOPPS 57 ED LOPAT (BLACK BACK)
    1953 TOPPS 137 JOHN RUTHERFORD
    1954 BOWMAN 81 JERRY COLEMAN 1.000/.975 FIELD AVG.
    1954 BOWMAN 224 WILLIAM BRUTON
    1955 TOPPS 158 TOM CARROLL
    1955 TOPPS 199 BERT HAMRIC
    1956 TOPPS 190 CARL FURILLO
    1963 TOPPS 2 AL BATTING LEADERS--Mantle
    1963 TOPPS 550 DUKE SNIDER
    1961 TOPPS 260 DON DRYSDALE

    Expecting 9 or higher on the modern

    2017 PANINI CROWN ROYALE 84 PATRICK MAHOMES II
    2001 RUSSIAN ICE YOUNG LIONS 3 ALEXANDER OVECHKIN YOUNG LIONS
    2001 RUSSIAN ICE DYNAMO MOSCOW HC 15 ALEXANDER OVECHKIN DYNAMO MOSCOW HC
    2000 QUANTUM LEAF 343 TOM BRADY
    2001 UPPER DECK GOLF 1 TIGER WOODS
    2001 UPPER DECK GOLF 1 TIGER WOODS

  • threeofsixthreeofsix Posts: 641 ✭✭✭✭

    @Teri12357 Wow!!!

    Good Luck!!!!!

    The needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few. Or the one.
    Live long, and prosper.
  • :/ I have a value entered 5/11/22 still in grading

  • bobbybakerivbobbybakeriv Posts: 2,186 ✭✭✭✭
    edited June 14, 2022 11:45AM

    @TMad said:
    :/ I have a value entered 5/11/22 still in grading

    05/04/2021 PSA is very disappointing!

  • bobbybakerivbobbybakeriv Posts: 2,186 ✭✭✭✭
    edited June 14, 2022 11:44AM

    Finally moved to assembly! It is a value modern order that was entered 05/04/2021. 59 cards (all 70s Topps).

  • Panama Mutiny Panama Mutiny Posts: 2,199 ✭✭✭✭

    @bobbybakeriv said:
    Finally moved tp assembly! It is a value modern order that was entered 05/04/2021. 59 cards (all 70s Topps).

    so how long after assembly ?

  • Bosox1976Bosox1976 Posts: 8,565 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited June 14, 2022 11:50AM

    I've got a three still pending:

    Value Modern - entered 4/30/21 - has been in assembly for two weeks
    1960's Deal - entered 4/19/21 - grading
    Value TCG - entered 4/30/21 - grading

    edit: Added the year to the three entered dates - which is always a bad sign....

    Mike
    Bosox1976
  • bobbybakerivbobbybakeriv Posts: 2,186 ✭✭✭✭

    @lawyer05 said:

    @bobbybakeriv said:
    Finally moved tp assembly! It is a value modern order that was entered 05/04/2021. 59 cards (all 70s Topps).

    so how long after assembly ?

    I am thinking 3-4 weeks?

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