enrollments and the bulk trays are two different buying options. Restrictions on being bulk buyer, no restriction on the enrollment option. Enrollment option includes box and COA, bulk trays include capsule only.
Gold has a world price entirely unaffected by accounting games between the Treasury and the Fed. - Jim Rickards
It is my understanding that the bulk buyers get 10% of the 160,000 box & COA in advance plus all of the bulk 40 coin trays.
I will pose this question to my connection at CW as I don't believe you can get a real answer from the mint.
" If you push something hard enough, it will fall over. " The 1st Law of Opposition from The Firesign Theater
@stawick said:
I hope the ASE-S proof enrollment opens up. Or at least they'll have some to order.
I'd HATE for that to be the 1 ASE proof I'd have missing. Just stupid. (Or pay 3-5 x for one on the open market, I'm sure HSN will have a bunch. )
Anyone think they'll cancel the "S" proof this year?
If you have to buy after market, look at AVC coins or Pinehurst..
@HATTRICK said:
It is my understanding that the bulk buyers get 10% of the 160,000 box & COA in advance plus all of the bulk 40 coin trays.
I will pose this question to my connection at CW as I don't believe you can get a real answer from the mint.
As I understand it:
~ 'Numismatic Bulk Purchase Program' (NBPP) - in this case, gets the 40-coin trays (i.e., item #22EG040). As @derryb pointed out, these do not come with boxes or COAs, just capsules.
~ 'Authorized Bulk Purchase Program' (ABPP) - in this case, gets advance access to a max of 10% of the available 160,000 coins (i.e., 22EG). IIRC, it is NOT always 10% (e.g., item #22EA).
Every one of the 18 ABPP dealers is part of the NBPP, but not every NBPP dealer is part of the ABPP.
Looking forward to clarification from your CW contact.
Clarification is definitely needed. At the CW reported numbers (281,840 total) this would be the highest mintage uncirculated ASE since 2011 and higher by more than 100,000 than any of the last 5 years. Really??
@MetroD said:
As I understand it:
~ 'Numismatic Bulk Purchase Program' (NBPP) - in this case, gets the 40-coin trays (i.e., item #22EG040). As @derryb pointed out, these do not come with boxes or COAs, just capsules.
~ 'Authorized Bulk Purchase Program' (ABPP) - in this case, gets advance access to a max of 10% of the available 160,000 coins (i.e., 22EG). IIRC, it is NOT always 10% (e.g., item #22EA).
Every one of the 18 ABPP dealers is part of the NBPP, but not every NBPP dealer is part of the ABPP.
Looking forward to clarification from your CW contact.
Edited to add that there are 18 ABPP dealers.
I believe you are correct. Thanks for the expanded information. If I get confirmation I will post it.
" If you push something hard enough, it will fall over. " The 1st Law of Opposition from The Firesign Theater
@smuglr said:
Clarification is definitely needed. At the CW reported numbers (281,840 total) this would be the highest mintage uncirculated ASE since 2011 and higher by more than 100,000 than any of the last 5 years. Really??
I am sure the 160,000 regular issue will sell out. We will have to see if the NBPP trays are sold. If so the total will be 281,840.
" If you push something hard enough, it will fall over. " The 1st Law of Opposition from The Firesign Theater
Login and refresh right at 12 Eastern. I made a shortcut to the product page (Congrats Set) and snagged 3 immediately. Please be sure to doublecheck your credit card in their system in advance.
15 minutes and still up when was supposed to be almost gone by enrollments. DOA as I suspected. Two out of three leaves hope for those who want to get an S proof
" If you push something hard enough, it will fall over. " The 1st Law of Opposition from The Firesign Theater
I’m stuck because I’ve got em all , so I kinda want to keep with a loser. I can relate, I do realize that these are probably never going to be loved. Low mintage and all.
I have managed to resist the other ase’s, so far. ( no that’s not true, I bought a congratulations set. ) 😉🦫🙀
I am hit or miss. Purchased a lot for the grand kids birth years. Purchased a lot last year because of the new type 2 s but mostly because I retired and spent too much time on line.
" If you push something hard enough, it will fall over. " The 1st Law of Opposition from The Firesign Theater
35 minutes and still up.looks like anybody who wants one can get one from the mint.
Will there be more demand for the S proof ? I expect so but there will probably be some avable at on sale time. Stay tuned.😳
" If you push something hard enough, it will fall over. " The 1st Law of Opposition from The Firesign Theater
Have seen several dealers on eBay variously advertising them as pre-sale, burnished, confirmed order, all non-certified, prices range from approximately $80-$95, some with free shipping, some charge extra. I suspect that as long as they're still available from the mint, prices will still not go up Seems like they will only make $15 or $20 per coin, maximum. I guess if you have a mass market/volume, this is worth it.
@Jzyskowski1 said:
I’m stuck because I’ve got em all , so I kinda want to keep with a loser. I can relate, I do realize that these are probably never going to be loved. Low mintage and all.
I have managed to resist the other ase’s, so far. ( no that’s not true, I bought a congratulations set. ) 😉🦫🙀
There is no mintage limit. The mint just needs to change the packaging and give it a different product # and they can mint all they want.
@HATTRICK said:
Will there be more demand for the S proof ? I expect so but there will probably be some avable at on sale time. Stay tuned.😳
Yes, I believe the S Proof will be the winner this year as the most valuable of the ASE's.
The S proof went unavailable almost immediately upon enrollment opening (but we know how a sold out enrollment does not mean really mean much anymore).
For those with existing S Proof enrollments that can increase their enrollment to 100 coins... I believe they can make a nice side profit to help pay for more than a few S Proof's to keep for themselves.
Can you remind me what you entered in the search query to find out the number available?
On the Mints product schedule click on the unc, when it comes up right click anywhere in the white space on the item page. Then click the "view page source" in the box that appears. When the page comes up click on the three dots at top right of your screen which brings up a box of options. From there click on "find." In the new search box type "data-available" and hit enter. Refresh throughout the sale day & you'll see the number available in real time.
Can you remind me what you entered in the search query to find out the number available?
On the Mints product schedule click on the unc, when it comes up right click anywhere in the white space on the item page. Then click the "view page source" in the box that appears. When the page comes up click on the three dots at top right of your screen which brings up a box of options. From there click on "find." In the new search box type "data-available" and hit enter. Refresh throughout the sale day & you'll see the number available in real time.
“ Never mind the headline “”
“ Get your red hot burnished Eagles “
“ Read all about it, sold out 2 years before production ". “Time travel is suspected “😂. 😉🦫🙀
@Jzyskowski1 said:
“ Never mind the headline “”
“ Get your red hot burnished Eagles “
“ Read all about it, sold out 2 years before production ". “Time travel is suspected “😂. 😉🦫🙀
I fully expect you to buy a big load and stuff your pockets with them! So your pants will fall down. Big deal!
@Jzyskowski1 said:
Nobody gunna try for these here burnished ase’s? 😉🦫🙀
Took me a while to get the hook outta my mouth before replying, but they reeled me in.
I typically just collect the proof, but was wondering what the deal was with the Mint's warning - if they'd be available and for how long. So I bit on 3 of these. I had $201 on me ... so, WTF!!
I'm kinda interested in the burnished finish when I've seen them on special finish coins.
Over 33K available as I type
data-available="33252.0"
Looks like theres (good) hope for ordering the S-proof ASEs.
@Onastone said:
Day 2...Still available! Buy one at your leisure. But don't wait too long, these burnished beauties will be gone before you know it...or will they?
@Bullsitter said:
Well. there's one fishing hole I can skip this morning......
Ah yes. Same here.
Heck , the boys came running in about 5:25 this morning ( mountain time 😎) all excited to play catch and release. Didn’t even need to wet a line, just press the button.
Went back to bed 🛌.
Dang , couldn’t even try catch and release with the privy BB coin. Just press the dang dumb button. 😉🦫🙀
Maybe gone shortly after noon when the hhl goes away. Is the economy starting to have an impact? It will be interesting to see if the 'S' goes like this.
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enrollments and the bulk trays are two different buying options. Restrictions on being bulk buyer, no restriction on the enrollment option. Enrollment option includes box and COA, bulk trays include capsule only.
Gold has a world price entirely unaffected by accounting games between the Treasury and the Fed. - Jim Rickards
It is my understanding that the bulk buyers get 10% of the 160,000 box & COA in advance plus all of the bulk 40 coin trays.
I will pose this question to my connection at CW as I don't believe you can get a real answer from the mint.
If you have to buy after market, look at AVC coins or Pinehurst..
As I understand it:
~ 'Numismatic Bulk Purchase Program' (NBPP) - in this case, gets the 40-coin trays (i.e., item #22EG040). As @derryb pointed out, these do not come with boxes or COAs, just capsules.
~ 'Authorized Bulk Purchase Program' (ABPP) - in this case, gets advance access to a max of 10% of the available 160,000 coins (i.e., 22EG). IIRC, it is NOT always 10% (e.g., item #22EA).
Every one of the 18 ABPP dealers is part of the NBPP, but not every NBPP dealer is part of the ABPP.
Looking forward to clarification from your CW contact.
Edited to add that there are 18 ABPP dealers.
I was able to get 3 each of the 22 proof ASEs and the Congratulations sest the morning they were offered, no enrollments for either
Great first post.
Welcome.
Clarification is definitely needed. At the CW reported numbers (281,840 total) this would be the highest mintage uncirculated ASE since 2011 and higher by more than 100,000 than any of the last 5 years. Really??
I believe you are correct. Thanks for the expanded information. If I get confirmation I will post it.
I am sure the 160,000 regular issue will sell out. We will have to see if the NBPP trays are sold. If so the total will be 281,840.
Thank you for reaching out to CW for clarification.
What will happen at 12:00 tomorrow ? Remember that box of chocolates thing !
Login and refresh right at 12 Eastern. I made a shortcut to the product page (Congrats Set) and snagged 3 immediately. Please be sure to doublecheck your credit card in their system in advance.
Here’s my enrollment order. It’s processing 😉🙀🦫
🎶 shout shout, let it all out 🎶
Nobody gunna try for these here burnished ase’s? 😉🦫🙀
🎶 shout shout, let it all out 🎶
I’m on the fence. Anyone wanna push me over to help me to decide?
Sitting this one out. I only like shiny proofs. Got three of last years just because it was new design
Nothing special with this one.
Get it. The dealers are buying these up and pushing them as burnished ASEs with a low mintage (160K). They are selling them for around $150.
15 minutes and still up when was supposed to be almost gone by enrollments. DOA as I suspected. Two out of three leaves hope for those who want to get an S proof
My order today went through no problem.
Paper money eventually returns to its intrinsic value. Zero. Voltaire. Ebay coinbowlllc
I’m stuck because I’ve got em all , so I kinda want to keep with a loser. I can relate, I do realize that these are probably never going to be loved. Low mintage and all.
I have managed to resist the other ase’s, so far. ( no that’s not true, I bought a congratulations set. ) 😉🦫🙀
🎶 shout shout, let it all out 🎶
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I am hit or miss. Purchased a lot for the grand kids birth years. Purchased a lot last year because of the new type 2 s but mostly because I retired and spent too much time on line.
Dammit! Just buy it and shut up......or I will spank you mercilessly! (You're welcome!)
35 minutes and still up.looks like anybody who wants one can get one from the mint.
Will there be more demand for the S proof ? I expect so but there will probably be some avable at on sale time. Stay tuned.😳
Good one Bullsitter. My feelings exactly
Site showing 41,811 available
Can you remind me what you entered in the search query to find out the number available?
Have seen several dealers on eBay variously advertising them as pre-sale, burnished, confirmed order, all non-certified, prices range from approximately $80-$95, some with free shipping, some charge extra. I suspect that as long as they're still available from the mint, prices will still not go up Seems like they will only make $15 or $20 per coin, maximum. I guess if you have a mass market/volume, this is worth it.
There is no mintage limit. The mint just needs to change the packaging and give it a different product # and they can mint all they want.
Yes, I believe the S Proof will be the winner this year as the most valuable of the ASE's.
The S proof went unavailable almost immediately upon enrollment opening (but we know how a sold out enrollment does not mean really mean much anymore).
For those with existing S Proof enrollments that can increase their enrollment to 100 coins... I believe they can make a nice side profit to help pay for more than a few S Proof's to keep for themselves.
BST references available on request
On the Mints product schedule click on the unc, when it comes up right click anywhere in the white space on the item page. Then click the "view page source" in the box that appears. When the page comes up click on the three dots at top right of your screen which brings up a box of options. From there click on "find." In the new search box type "data-available" and hit enter. Refresh throughout the sale day & you'll see the number available in real time.
Thanks very much!!
“ Never mind the headline “”
“ Get your red hot burnished Eagles “
“ Read all about it, sold out 2 years before production ". “Time travel is suspected “😂. 😉🦫🙀
🎶 shout shout, let it all out 🎶
Still available
I fully expect you to buy a big load and stuff your pockets with them! So your pants will fall down. Big deal!
Took me a while to get the hook outta my mouth before replying, but they reeled me in.
I typically just collect the proof, but was wondering what the deal was with the Mint's warning - if they'd be available and for how long. So I bit on 3 of these. I had $201 on me ... so, WTF!!
I'm kinda interested in the burnished finish when I've seen them on special finish coins.
Over 33K available as I type
Looks like theres (good) hope for ordering the S-proof ASEs.
It’s becoming apparent that folks could have slept all day and the dang things would be and still are available 😉🦫🙀
🎶 shout shout, let it all out 🎶
Is it that people are no longer falling for the "we can't get planchets," and "we are sold out with enrollments" antics at the Mint.
I don't think unlimited means what you think it means.
http://ProofCollection.Net
Day 2...Still available! Buy one at your leisure. But don't wait too long, these burnished beauties will be gone before you know it...or will they?
Well. there's one fishing hole I can skip this morning......
30,672 remaining.
Ah yes. Same here.
Heck , the boys came running in about 5:25 this morning ( mountain time 😎) all excited to play catch and release. Didn’t even need to wet a line, just press the button.
Went back to bed 🛌.
Dang , couldn’t even try catch and release with the privy BB coin. Just press the dang dumb button. 😉🦫🙀
🎶 shout shout, let it all out 🎶
Maybe gone shortly after noon when the hhl goes away. Is the economy starting to have an impact? It will be interesting to see if the 'S' goes like this.
Well, they can’t be too busy in the warehouse 😂. Cause here comes my shipment of the unwanted x 2 😉🦫🙀
🎶 shout shout, let it all out 🎶
HHL removed. Less than 29K now available and going down.
28586.0
26,790. Get 'em while they're hot!
Burning!