@HATTRICK said:
Will the Mint post mintage and HHL limits for the S ASE before it is too late for flippers to cancel their enrollments? Most likely they will, however weak hands should bail out early.
can't they just accept the coins and then return them?
Gold has a world price entirely unaffected by accounting games between the Treasury and the Fed. - Jim Rickards
@HATTRICK said:
Will the Mint post mintage and HHL limits for the S ASE before it is too late for flippers to cancel their enrollments? Most likely they will, however weak hands should bail out early.
can't they just accept the coins and then return them?
Of course they can but I meant canceling without going thru return and waiting for credit. Anyway that should not be an issue if decisions to cancel are made in allowed time
" If you push something hard enough, it will fall over. " The 1st Law of Opposition from The Firesign Theater
@HATTRICK said:
Will the Mint post mintage and HHL limits for the S ASE before it is too late for flippers to cancel their enrollments? Most likely they will, however weak hands should bail out early.
can't they just accept the coins and then return them?
Of course they can but I meant canceling without going thru return and waiting for credit. Anyway that should not be an issue if decisions to cancel are made in allowed time
as i posted in another thread a while back, my son unchecked the "active" block for the W ASE proofs five days before they went on sale. They still shipped 100 coins which he refused acceptance of. Tracking showed them as "delivery refused" and on their way back to sender. When he called the mint about his credit they were not happy about the "refused delivery." They said he should have accepted the coins and then returned them. He pointed out that by refusing delivery he avoided being responsible for the coins while in transit back to the mint and he avoided the expense of shipping 100 coins.
I assume the only way to cancel an enrollment is to uncheck the "active" block since there is not quantity selection for "0."
Gold has a world price entirely unaffected by accounting games between the Treasury and the Fed. - Jim Rickards
Forgot that even five days was not enough time to stop 🛑 shipping. More reason to uncheck active early if you don’t want to receive the coins.
Now your payment method is stored with the enrollment so they got you hooked that way also
" If you push something hard enough, it will fall over. " The 1st Law of Opposition from The Firesign Theater
There will be plenty of "S" mint mark coins when all is said and done. They made a boatload more then they did last year. They will go the way as the 2022 W Proof and the 2022 W Unc. They will be a flippers nightmare and there will be many cancelled subscriptions.
SanFrancisco ASE Product limit 200,000 HOL is 3 on sale August 9
Mintage limit is none which suggest these could be available in unlimited quantity in other products
" If you push something hard enough, it will fall over. " The 1st Law of Opposition from The Firesign Theater
After several revivals from unavailable, there are still 3,500 uncirculated ASEs available. It will be interesting to see how the proof S goes with the mintage still showing NONE.
" If you push something hard enough, it will fall over. " The 1st Law of Opposition from The Firesign Theater
The market has been set. A large dealer is pre selling **San Francisco proof 70 ASEs **in a variety of labels for $129 with a discount for wire or check
At that price it is probably better than buying raw and hoping to get a 70 if you submit it
" If you push something hard enough, it will fall over. " The 1st Law of Opposition from The Firesign Theater
I guess they are trying to determine how many 40 coin trays they will need to order. They will not have to buy any raw ASE coins on the secondary market any more. The flipping of raw S ASE Proofs will be DOA
" If you push something hard enough, it will fall over. " The 1st Law of Opposition from The Firesign Theater
@HATTRICK said:
The market has been set. A large dealer is pre selling **San Francisco proof 70 ASEs **in a variety of labels for $129 with a discount for wire or check
@HATTRICK said:
SanFrancisco ASE Product limit 200,000 HOL is 3 on sale August 9
Mintage limit is none which suggest these could be available in unlimited quantity in other products
I'm not so sure. For a while the mint indicated the mintage on the USMC 2 1/2 Oz medal was unlimited, later changing it to 10K before the issue date,same as previously issued military 2 1/2 Oz medals.
As we speak the mint indicates mintage limit: None; product limit: 200,000; HHL 3. If mintage is unlimited why would HHL be 3? Doesn't make sense (but sometimes the government does things that don"t make sense).
Perhaps the mintage limit will change before the issue date. I'll wait and see.
@Glen2022
The HOL is 3 because there will only be 200,000 in the box and COA version for sale. The mintage for the coin itself at this point is unlimited because they have not provided the amount of of coins that will be needed for 40 coin trays the big boys will order which could amount to several hundred thousand coins. They may also offer the coins in another product.
That is why the presales are on now so they can figure out how many 40 coin trays to order to be able to fulfill their orders.
The 40 coin trays are another reason they can sell at lower markups as they can get all they need at mint prices without going to the flipper secondary market.
" If you push something hard enough, it will fall over. " The 1st Law of Opposition from The Firesign Theater
The S will be on sale next week. They will be available, however there will be less than the W still for sale. Be ready at 12:00 on the 9th and good luck.
" If you push something hard enough, it will fall over. " The 1st Law of Opposition from The Firesign Theater
@HATTRICK said:
After several revivals from unavailable, there are still 3,500 uncirculated ASEs available. It will be interesting to see how the proof S goes with the mintage still showing NONE.
Still available. I sure chose the wrong ase’s to collect. Got every dang burnished except 2. 😉🦫🙀
hmmm. Y'know how we thought the ASE enrollment that opened up for the proof S mint mark didnt apply until 2023?
Well, I just got an email to verify my payment for the 8/9 offering of this coin.
HHL = 3 according to the current web page. My enrollment is for 5 ... so who knows what I'll order? 3? 5? 0???
Remember that “box of chocolates thing” they ship when they are not supposed to or they don’t ship when they are supposed to
“You never know what you will get”
I know a lot of people have canceled their enrollment because this will be DOA for flipping. The mint will need to sell those canceled orders one way or another
" If you push something hard enough, it will fall over. " The 1st Law of Opposition from The Firesign Theater
@stawick said:
hmmm. Y'know how we thought the ASE enrollment that opened up for the proof S mint mark didnt apply until 2023?
Well, I just got an email to verify my payment for the 8/9 offering of this coin.
HHL = 3 according to the current web page. My enrollment is for 5 ... so who knows what I'll order? 3? 5? 0???
data-available="184276.0"
@stawick - Thanks for sharing your experience. Regarding your question, as I understand it, the HHL does not apply to enrollments (i.e., enrollments have separate limits, which are subject to change).
@NJCoin, @JeffM, @ProofCollection - It looks like your prognostication about recent enrollments including the 2022-S ASE were correct.
@HoneyMarket - If you are still interested, it appears that enrollment MM, which was still available at the time of this post, will include the 2022-S ASE.
@MetroD said: @HoneyMarket - If you are still interested, it appears that enrollment MM, which was still available at the time of this post, will include the 2022-S ASE.
@MetroD said: @HoneyMarket - If you are still interested, it appears that enrollment MM, which was still available at the time of this post, will include the 2022-S ASE.
Thanks!
Decisions, Decisions...
Yes, I signed up for the ASE enrollment last month, and I was shocked to get an e-mail today telling me that I will be getting the 2022 S ASE, when they initially said that the enrollment would start in 2023. I read that this is due to a number of previous enrollment cancellations.
@stawick said:
hmmm. Y'know how we thought the ASE enrollment that opened up for the proof S mint mark didnt apply until 2023?
Well, I just got an email to verify my payment for the 8/9 offering of this coin.
HHL = 3 according to the current web page. My enrollment is for 5 ... so who knows what I'll order? 3? 5? 0???
data-available="184276.0"
Likewise. I thought it was for 2022-s originally when I signed up but then I couldn't remember nor find anything specific in my emails... Then today I was notified it was indeed for this year.
I'm surprised no one mentioned today's email from the mint:
WASHINGTON – The United States Mint (Mint) will accept orders for the 2022 American Eagle Silver Proof Coins from its San Francisco facility beginning on August 9 at noon EDT. Production is limited to 200,000, with orders limited to three coins per household for the first 24 hours of sale, subject to availability.
Due to overwhelming demand, the full production inventory for the 2022 American Eagle One Ounce Silver Proof (S) Coin (22EM) was previously accounted for through enrollments. However, as a result of cancellations, inventory may become available on the scheduled launch date of August 9, 2022.
Customers may still have an opportunity to purchase the products, subject to availability, after enrollment orders are reconciled. All inventory resulting from cancellations, invalid and/or fraudulent orders will be made available to the general public via “Remind Me” messages....
I did not see that email, however it was plain to see that was what happened especially after the prices were revealed for already slabbed 70s. A no brainer for those who were going to buy and submit for their own 70s and a clear indication that flipping raw coins was DOA. Every collector should be able to get what they want.
" If you push something hard enough, it will fall over. " The 1st Law of Opposition from The Firesign Theater
Your service has truly been appreciated and I’m sure you’ll haunt the 23 thread perhaps even start it and see who steps up.
We have several wonderful YN’s who absolutely impress me with their knowledge and patience 😁
There’s a number of newer members who have gotten the hang of navigating the forum, mighty quick 😎
Anyway my friend I shall haunt with you on your Morgan and Peace Dollar “ box of chocolates thing “😉🙀🦫
If you want a Proof San Francisco ASE in the mint packaging with COA be ready at 12:00 Tuesday. If you want a slabbed 70 it is best to order from one of the dealers pre selling for $125 up depending on which label you prefer
" If you push something hard enough, it will fall over. " The 1st Law of Opposition from The Firesign Theater
About a week or two ago I decreased my enrollment of 2022 ase San Fran from 3 to 1. I definitely checked it a day or two later to make sure it was 1. It was. Now today I happened to check my enrollment page It was back to 3! Another thing the date for the ase was TBD. Aug 9 was gone. Has this enrollment number problem happened to anyone else? I would suggest checking
@Iamthewalrus53 said:
About a week or two ago I decreased my enrollment of 2022 ase San Fran from 3 to 1. I definitely checked it a day or two later to make sure it was 1. It was. Now today I happened to check my enrollment page It was back to 3! Another thing the date for the ase was TBD. Aug 9 was gone. Has this enrollment number problem happened to anyone else? I would suggest checking
Yep, I just checked. My original subscription of 25 is processing even though I reduced it to 3.
I called but they can't cancel it 😄 got to love the mint.
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I got an email about the ASE-S enrollment a while back to make sure my billing was correct. Now it shows TBD for the date, when it was 8/9. Havent seen the phantom charge yet, but it may be early.
Son of a b*#€^¥ch. I dialed mine back to one and the bass tasrrrrddddss rolled it back to two. Dang it. This month the idiots are cramming way too many items into a one month period. I have carefully planned my purchases and my budget.
Now I have a dang extra ase I really don’t want. 🤨🙀🦫
Mine are processing ofcourse, Talk about a screw job. Enrollment is safe and convenient. My arse. Not when they pull this crapola.
@Jzyskowski1 said:
Son of a b*#€^¥ch. I dialed mine back to one and the bass tasrrrrddddss rolled it back to two. Dang it. This month the idiots are cramming way too many items into a one month period. I have carefully planned my purchases and my budget.
Now I have a dang extra ase I really don’t want. 🤨🙀🦫
Mine are processing ofcourse, Talk about a screw job. Enrollment is safe and convenient. My arse. Not when they pull this crapola.
Dang it. 🥵
More and more it just appears that the left hand doesnt know what the right azz cheek is doing over there ?!?!?!?!
Son of a b*#€^¥ch. I dialed mine back to one and the bass tasrrrrddddss rolled it back to two. Dang it. This month the idiots are cramming way too many items into a one month period. I have carefully planned my purchases and my budget.
Now I have a dang extra ase I really don’t want. 🤨🙀🦫
Mine are processing ofcourse, Talk about a screw job. Enrollment is safe and convenient. My arse. Not when they pull this crapola.
Dang it. 🥵
A long story but you got off light my friend. They rolled back up more then that on me. Thankfully I thought they might so I went and changed my billing address' on some of my cards a month ago so I knew it would not match billing address on file with the mint and the charge would be denied by CC. Lot's of head shaking does help.
I noticed before when I increased an enrollment quantity eventually it would roll back to the original. Looks like it now rolls back decreases also. They have to stop the cancellations somehow. I have heard that an enrollment on another issue was shipped even after the active check mark was removed. Enrolled beware
" If you push something hard enough, it will fall over. " The 1st Law of Opposition from The Firesign Theater
It looks almost like they applied some sort of upgrade, and restarted a server or something, but went to an "n-1" backup. ie NOT the most recent backup, but 1 (or more) back in history.
I have no idea whether I need to be online and order now on 8/9???
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can't they just accept the coins and then return them?
Gold has a world price entirely unaffected by accounting games between the Treasury and the Fed. - Jim Rickards
Of course they can but I meant canceling without going thru return and waiting for credit. Anyway that should not be an issue if decisions to cancel are made in allowed time
as i posted in another thread a while back, my son unchecked the "active" block for the W ASE proofs five days before they went on sale. They still shipped 100 coins which he refused acceptance of. Tracking showed them as "delivery refused" and on their way back to sender. When he called the mint about his credit they were not happy about the "refused delivery." They said he should have accepted the coins and then returned them. He pointed out that by refusing delivery he avoided being responsible for the coins while in transit back to the mint and he avoided the expense of shipping 100 coins.
I assume the only way to cancel an enrollment is to uncheck the "active" block since there is not quantity selection for "0."
Gold has a world price entirely unaffected by accounting games between the Treasury and the Fed. - Jim Rickards
Forgot that even five days was not enough time to stop 🛑 shipping. More reason to uncheck active early if you don’t want to receive the coins.
Now your payment method is stored with the enrollment so they got you hooked that way also
There will be plenty of "S" mint mark coins when all is said and done. They made a boatload more then they did last year. They will go the way as the 2022 W Proof and the 2022 W Unc. They will be a flippers nightmare and there will be many cancelled subscriptions.
A flippers nightmare is a good thing. I see no issue in purchasing one on release day next month.
It’s also my understanding and experience that that you can switch on or off and I have half a dozen or more which I have done this.
derryb. 😎
I agree that the very recent sign up offering will not start with 2022 ase S proof 😉🙀🦫
🎶 shout shout, let it all out 🎶
The uncirculated has finally gone unavailable 👍👏👏
SanFrancisco ASE Product limit 200,000 HOL is 3 on sale August 9
Mintage limit is none which suggest these could be available in unlimited quantity in other products
With no mintage limit for the S it is time for flippers to bail out. 😱🥶🥶
have my enrollment in for the usual 3 for me and the grandkids.
Add 50,000 as they are doing the SF MM in the Limited edition set.
I’m with you, get a couple and carry on 😉🦫🙀
🎶 shout shout, let it all out 🎶
The W ASE will be in Limited edition set not the S , however
Don’t forget 100,000 to 200,000 more in 40 coin trays for the big boys. 🙈🙁
Will the 40 coin trays of ASEs for the big boys put a big dent in the secondary market for raw ASEs ?
I believe it does.
It's Back
The mint has found 4,764 more uncirculated 2022 ASEs. Imagine that 
I’m running shipping. Are you saying I might not be the right cat for the job 🤨🙀🦫.
Another 5,000 perfect. How long will these take to sell?
🎶 shout shout, let it all out 🎶
After several revivals from unavailable, there are still 3,500 uncirculated ASEs available. It will be interesting to see how the proof S goes with the mintage still showing NONE.
The market has been set. A large dealer is pre selling **San Francisco proof 70 ASEs **in a variety of labels for $129 with a discount for wire or check
At that price it is probably better than buying raw and hoping to get a 70 if you submit it
I guess they are trying to determine how many 40 coin trays they will need to order. They will not have to buy any raw ASE coins on the secondary market any more. The flipping of raw S ASE Proofs will be DOA
Are you referring to Pinehurst? ---> https://ebay.com/sch/i.html?_dkr=1&iconV2Request=true&_ssn=pinehurstcoins&store_cat=0&store_name=pinehurstcoins&_oac=1&_nkw=2022-s%20proof%20%241%20american%20silver%20eagle&utm_source=ebay+Newsletter&utm_campaign=a75770d6a3-EMAIL_CAMPAIGN_6_22_2022_12_2_COPY_11&utm_medium=email&utm_term=0_9dc4a30bc2-a75770d6a3-48948831&mc_cid=a75770d6a3&mc_eid=77f9612627
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No. they are $145 at Pinehurst and $129 at MCM
I'm not so sure. For a while the mint indicated the mintage on the USMC 2 1/2 Oz medal was unlimited, later changing it to 10K before the issue date,same as previously issued military 2 1/2 Oz medals.
As we speak the mint indicates mintage limit: None; product limit: 200,000; HHL 3. If mintage is unlimited why would HHL be 3? Doesn't make sense (but sometimes the government does things that don"t make sense).
Perhaps the mintage limit will change before the issue date. I'll wait and see.
@Glen2022
The HOL is 3 because there will only be 200,000 in the box and COA version for sale. The mintage for the coin itself at this point is unlimited because they have not provided the amount of of coins that will be needed for 40 coin trays the big boys will order which could amount to several hundred thousand coins. They may also offer the coins in another product.
That is why the presales are on now so they can figure out how many 40 coin trays to order to be able to fulfill their orders.
The 40 coin trays are another reason they can sell at lower markups as they can get all they need at mint prices without going to the flipper secondary market.
The S will be on sale next week. They will be available, however there will be less than the W still for sale. Be ready at 12:00 on the 9th and good luck.
🎶 shout shout, let it all out 🎶
hmmm. Y'know how we thought the ASE enrollment that opened up for the proof S mint mark didnt apply until 2023?
Well, I just got an email to verify my payment for the 8/9 offering of this coin.
HHL = 3 according to the current web page. My enrollment is for 5 ... so who knows what I'll order? 3? 5? 0???
Remember that “box of chocolates thing” they ship when they are not supposed to or they don’t ship when they are supposed to
“You never know what you will get”
I know a lot of people have canceled their enrollment because this will be DOA for flipping. The mint will need to sell those canceled orders one way or another
@stawick - Thanks for sharing your experience. Regarding your question, as I understand it, the HHL does not apply to enrollments (i.e., enrollments have separate limits, which are subject to change).
@NJCoin, @JeffM, @ProofCollection - It looks like your prognostication about recent enrollments including the 2022-S ASE were correct.
@HoneyMarket - If you are still interested, it appears that enrollment MM, which was still available at the time of this post, will include the 2022-S ASE.
Thanks!
Decisions, Decisions...
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I as well see that my enrollment will include the 2022 S ASE. Another Mint surprise.
Likewise. I thought it was for 2022-s originally when I signed up but then I couldn't remember nor find anything specific in my emails... Then today I was notified it was indeed for this year.
https://www.the4thcoin.com
https://www.ebay.com/str/thefourthcoin
I cancelled my enrollment - it’s cheaper to buy a certified 70 online than to buy from the mint and send to our host…
I've decided to do the same.
I'm surprised no one mentioned today's email from the mint:
http://ProofCollection.Net
I did not see that email, however it was plain to see that was what happened especially after the prices were revealed for already slabbed 70s. A no brainer for those who were going to buy and submit for their own 70s and a clear indication that flipping raw coins was DOA. Every collector should be able to get what they want.
The moral of the 2022 ASE enrollment saga is. NONE OF THEM WERE SOLD OUT THRU ENROLLMENTS.
I will pass the torch to someone else for threads on the 2023 ASEs and will concentrate on the saga of the 2023 Morgan and Peace dollars
https://forums.collectors.com/discussion/1077805/2023-morgan-peace-silver-dollars-official-thread/p1
Your service has truly been appreciated and I’m sure you’ll haunt the 23 thread perhaps even start it and see who steps up.
We have several wonderful YN’s who absolutely impress me with their knowledge and patience 😁
There’s a number of newer members who have gotten the hang of navigating the forum, mighty quick 😎
Anyway my friend I shall haunt with you on your Morgan and Peace Dollar “ box of chocolates thing “😉🙀🦫
🎶 shout shout, let it all out 🎶
I love it! This thread really has become a SAGA! Even includes a sequel~
If you want a Proof San Francisco ASE in the mint packaging with COA be ready at 12:00 Tuesday. If you want a slabbed 70 it is best to order from one of the dealers pre selling for $125 up depending on which label you prefer
About a week or two ago I decreased my enrollment of 2022 ase San Fran from 3 to 1. I definitely checked it a day or two later to make sure it was 1. It was. Now today I happened to check my enrollment page It was back to 3! Another thing the date for the ase was TBD. Aug 9 was gone. Has this enrollment number problem happened to anyone else? I would suggest checking
1 of my 2 enrollment orders was creating and is processing for the S proofs
Yep, I just checked. My original subscription of 25 is processing even though I reduced it to 3.
I called but they can't cancel it 😄 got to love the mint.
I got an email about the ASE-S enrollment a while back to make sure my billing was correct. Now it shows TBD for the date, when it was 8/9. Havent seen the phantom charge yet, but it may be early.
They keep you guessing, dont they? I HATE that!!
Son of a b*#€^¥ch. I dialed mine back to one and the bass tasrrrrddddss rolled it back to two. Dang it. This month the idiots are cramming way too many items into a one month period. I have carefully planned my purchases and my budget.
Now I have a dang extra ase I really don’t want. 🤨🙀🦫
Dang it. 🥵
🎶 shout shout, let it all out 🎶
More and more it just appears that the left hand doesnt know what the right azz cheek is doing over there ?!?!?!?!
Mine are processing now. I wonder how many will be left on the actual day of sale....
I do know that I > @Jzyskowski1 said:
A long story but you got off light my friend. They rolled back up more then that on me. Thankfully I thought they might so I went and changed my billing address' on some of my cards a month ago so I knew it would not match billing address on file with the mint and the charge would be denied by CC. Lot's of head shaking does help.
I noticed before when I increased an enrollment quantity eventually it would roll back to the original. Looks like it now rolls back decreases also. They have to stop the cancellations somehow. I have heard that an enrollment on another issue was shipped even after the active check mark was removed. Enrolled beware
It looks almost like they applied some sort of upgrade, and restarted a server or something, but went to an "n-1" backup. ie NOT the most recent backup, but 1 (or more) back in history.
I have no idea whether I need to be online and order now on 8/9???