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***2022 ASE's sold out by enrollments? The W & Unc. No Way! The S is UNLIMITED mintage OFFICIAL ***

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  • smuglrsmuglr Posts: 421 ✭✭✭✭

    Air Force, Coast Guard, Navy, Marines, Army, Space Force. Like that they did enrollments on these. The 2.5 oz are 10,000 mintages hope the 1 oz are 20,000 or less.

  • HATTRICKHATTRICK Posts: 2,167 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @smuglr said:
    Air Force, Coast Guard, Navy, Marines, Army, Space Force. Like that they did enrollments on these. The 2.5 oz are 10,000 mintages hope the 1 oz are 20,000 or less.

    Better sign up now as they may sell out thru enrollments ! :o:D

    " If you push something hard enough, it will fall over. " The 1st Law of Opposition from The Firesign Theater
  • Jzyskowski1Jzyskowski1 Posts: 6,650 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited June 9, 2022 4:16PM

    Why do visions of Maples and Kookaburras, at 10-15,000 mintage and lots of cool south sea island nation 5,000 mintage, appear dancing through my mind. 🤨
    The mint has finally sunk into common ground with all the rest. Actually, there’s alot of issues for outside the US that I find far more desirable and far superior quality. 😉🦫🙀

    🎶 shout shout, let it all out 🎶

  • smuglrsmuglr Posts: 421 ✭✭✭✭

    The Air Force is okay, I very much like the Navy and am interested in the Space Force. There is potential for crossover interest in these to veterans and family that don't collect coins or the USM process. Would like a number lower enough to be desirable but allow for availability to those. Yes many great designs elsewhere I like (S Korean Tigers 4 Seasons and the annual Germania and Allegories come to mind).

  • HATTRICKHATTRICK Posts: 2,167 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @smuglr,

    As this thread is for a history of the 2022 ASE's how about starting a new thread for discussions on the Silver Military Medals.
    That way everyone will have one convenient thread to go to about them.

    " If you push something hard enough, it will fall over. " The 1st Law of Opposition from The Firesign Theater
  • JeffMJeffM Posts: 587 ✭✭✭✭

    @OLC said:

    @OLC said:
    If things go like they went with Rhode Island , Vermont Innovation dollars and the Kennedy halves a boatload of the Uncirculated Silver Dollars should magically appear within the next week. Way before returns would even be possible. With the Rhode Island and the Vermont it was nearly 2/3 of the original mintage limits after the remind me button came up the first day of sales.

    There we go. Just like clockwork. Back to 16,207 on the Silver Eagles just I said 2 days ago.

    I think many of these were returns from dealers. The dealers buy the coins, send them to NGC or PCGS for grading, and those that don't come back as 70 (plus maybe a few at 69) are sent back to the Mint.

  • Project NumismaticsProject Numismatics Posts: 1,637 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @JeffM said:

    @OLC said:

    @OLC said:
    If things go like they went with Rhode Island , Vermont Innovation dollars and the Kennedy halves a boatload of the Uncirculated Silver Dollars should magically appear within the next week. Way before returns would even be possible. With the Rhode Island and the Vermont it was nearly 2/3 of the original mintage limits after the remind me button came up the first day of sales.

    There we go. Just like clockwork. Back to 16,207 on the Silver Eagles just I said 2 days ago.

    I think many of these were returns from dealers. The dealers buy the coins, send them to NGC or PCGS for grading, and those that don't come back as 70 (plus maybe a few at 69) are sent back to the Mint.

    The Mint’s return period is 7 days - it would be difficult to send coins in for TPG grading and receive back prior to the 7 day return period window expiring.

  • HATTRICKHATTRICK Posts: 2,167 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited June 10, 2022 10:35AM

    Could be returns that were pre screened by dealers, dealer returns because of lack of demand, delays in Mint reconciliation of their inventory, customer returns or a host of other reasons. It's the mint. Remember that box of chocolates thing. :#:o

    Moral of the story: Demand is low, returns are high so only buy what you like to keep. B)

    " If you push something hard enough, it will fall over. " The 1st Law of Opposition from The Firesign Theater
  • derrybderryb Posts: 37,400 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Actual demand for a new mint issue is not fully known until the day it goes on sale. For this reason many dealers will load up know they can return after they have seen how the initial sale goes. It cost them nothing to return them to the mint.

    Capital investment depends on confidence. - Martin Armstrong

  • Jzyskowski1Jzyskowski1 Posts: 6,650 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I believe all this talk of returns is fine. One problem.
    Ever return something, it takes for EvEr. Also the mint has changed its cancellation/ return policies.
    So no, we don’t think that there’s a secret return policy for the big boys.
    There has been some serious issues with flippers and returns. The mint has made changes and continues to this day.
    Just our thoughts and a few facts. Jzyskowski and the boys 😉🦫🙀

    🎶 shout shout, let it all out 🎶

  • HoneyMarketHoneyMarket Posts: 806 ✭✭✭✭

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  • HATTRICKHATTRICK Posts: 2,167 ✭✭✭✭✭

    The uncirculated ASE is still available. Did the mint turn on the press and leave it running ?

    " If you push something hard enough, it will fall over. " The 1st Law of Opposition from The Firesign Theater
  • Jzyskowski1Jzyskowski1 Posts: 6,650 ✭✭✭✭✭

    This sure re-enforces my ability to pick a winner 😂😂😉🙀🦫

    Still friggin available. 🥵

    🎶 shout shout, let it all out 🎶

  • OnastoneOnastone Posts: 4,070 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @Jzyskowski1 said:

    Still friggin available.

    Made me look. Yup, still there. ADD TO BAG. Move along, nothing to see here.

  • HATTRICKHATTRICK Posts: 2,167 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited June 23, 2022 8:19AM

    Still 7,900 uncirculated available. These will be here for Christmas gifts. :D

    " If you push something hard enough, it will fall over. " The 1st Law of Opposition from The Firesign Theater
  • MetroDMetroD Posts: 2,291 ✭✭✭✭✭

    If anyone is interested, all three ASE enrollments appear to be available ....

    Source

  • Jzyskowski1Jzyskowski1 Posts: 6,650 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @MetroD said:
    If anyone is interested, all three ASE enrollments appear to be available ....

    Source

    Thanks. Good catch. I suggest anyone interested move with a quickness. Once signed up your product amount is adjustable.

    This is great. Thanks buddy 😉🙀🦫

    🎶 shout shout, let it all out 🎶

  • OLCOLC Posts: 404 ✭✭✭

    @Jzyskowski1 said:

    @MetroD said:
    If anyone is interested, all three ASE enrollments appear to be available ....

    Source

    Thanks. Good catch. I suggest anyone interested move with a quickness. Once signed up your product amount is adjustable.

    This is great. Thanks buddy 😉🙀🦫

    In other words if you are a flipper cancel your subscriptions.

  • JeffMJeffM Posts: 587 ✭✭✭✭

    The ASE proof S enrollment just opened up again. I got an e-mail and just signed up for it!

  • stawickstawick Posts: 469 ✭✭✭✭

    @JeffM said:
    The ASE proof S enrollment just opened up again. I got an e-mail and just signed up for it!

    Same here. Cost me some burnt bacon for breakfast as I jumped on my mint acct and signed up for the S proof. But, that was some fine burnt bacon (on 1 side ;) ). I'm in! B)

  • HATTRICKHATTRICK Posts: 2,167 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @JeffM said:
    The ASE proof S enrollment just opened up again. I got an e-mail and just signed up for it!

    PLEASE NOTE: THE ENROLLMENT STARTS WITH 2023. NOT THIS YEAR.

    " If you push something hard enough, it will fall over. " The 1st Law of Opposition from The Firesign Theater
  • HATTRICKHATTRICK Posts: 2,167 ✭✭✭✭✭

    The mint is getting a real advanced jump on next year. How many will they produce ? How many 40 coin trays will be available to the big boys ? :o:#

    " If you push something hard enough, it will fall over. " The 1st Law of Opposition from The Firesign Theater
  • stawickstawick Posts: 469 ✭✭✭✭
    edited July 8, 2022 8:13AM

    @HATTRICK said:

    @JeffM said:
    The ASE proof S enrollment just opened up again. I got an e-mail and just signed up for it!

    PLEASE NOTE: THE ENROLLMENT STARTS WITH 2023. NOT THIS YEAR.

    Well, those sneaky bastyds!!! :# Thought I was set for the upcoming ASE-S.
    OK, still I dont expect too much trouble ordering them, the W and Unc went smoothly.

  • Jzyskowski1Jzyskowski1 Posts: 6,650 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Heck. If nothing else can still order🥵 a nice fresh 22 burnished ase 🤐🙀🦫

    🎶 shout shout, let it all out 🎶

  • NJCoinNJCoin Posts: 2,651 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited July 8, 2022 9:16AM

    I'm not so sure about the S-Proofs not starting until 2023. I see what it says, but I also note that it has a price, which the other ASE enrollments don't have. Enrollments generally cover ALL future releases, and the 2022-S has not yet been released.

    Maybe reopening the enrollments now was a mistake, maybe not, but I wouldn't be shocked if they honor these in 2022, given how they have been randomly cutting some people back all along.

  • HATTRICKHATTRICK Posts: 2,167 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited July 8, 2022 11:08AM

    They will not honor these enrollments for 2022. You can only get them if they go on general sale. The mint has opened enrollments for future years for many coins and sets in the past and they did not give access for the current year.
    Keep watching at 7:30 AM EST until the sold out sign is posted.

    " If you push something hard enough, it will fall over. " The 1st Law of Opposition from The Firesign Theater
  • JeffMJeffM Posts: 587 ✭✭✭✭

    @HATTRICK said:

    @JeffM said:
    The ASE proof S enrollment just opened up again. I got an e-mail and just signed up for it!

    PLEASE NOTE: THE ENROLLMENT STARTS WITH 2023. NOT THIS YEAR.

    Thanks for letting us know. I’m fine with trying to get the 2022 on release date or even from a dealer as long as I have future releases locked up.

  • JeffMJeffM Posts: 587 ✭✭✭✭

    @NJCoin said:
    I'm not so sure about the S-Proofs not starting until 2023. I see what it says, but I also note that it has a price, which the other ASE enrollments don't have. Enrollments generally cover ALL future releases, and the 2022-S has not yet been released.

    Maybe reopening the enrollments now was a mistake, maybe not, but I wouldn't be shocked if they honor these in 2022, given how they have been randomly cutting some people back all along.

    Yes, this is interesting. It could be a typo. I would not be surprised if this starts with the 2022 coin. As you stated, the price is indicated, which they would never do over a year in advance. Also, the photo is of the 2022 coin. I guess we’ll just have to wait and see.

  • HATTRICKHATTRICK Posts: 2,167 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited July 8, 2022 12:02PM

    not always the case. As reported by Coin World the prices for the 2023 morgan & peace dollars have already been posted in the Federal Register. That is where prices are established for new coins. See the first post in my 2023 Morgan & Peace Dollars thread. Many times the mint web pages are corrected for mintage limits and HHL and on sale dates. I don't know if prices can be changed after posting in the Federal Register. Anybody have any further knowledge of this?

    " If you push something hard enough, it will fall over. " The 1st Law of Opposition from The Firesign Theater
  • rip_frip_f Posts: 368 ✭✭✭✭

    The Mint has seen a trend forming with these popular releases. Their announcements of sellouts from enrollments have been accurate - up until near the cancellation deadline. Then, tens of thousands of enrollment coins become available via people (flippers) canceling or reducing their numbers.
    They expect this trend to continue for the 22-Ss and are opening enrollments back up to allow more collectors (who are paying attention) a shot at a hassle-free experience.

  • NJCoinNJCoin Posts: 2,651 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited July 8, 2022 5:07PM

    @HATTRICK said:
    not always the case. As reported by Coin World the prices for the 2023 morgan & peace dollars have already been posted in the Federal Register. That is where prices are established for new coins. See the first post in my 2023 Morgan & Peace Dollars thread. Many times the mint web pages are corrected for mintage limits and HHL and on sale dates. I don't know if prices can be changed after posting in the Federal Register. Anybody have any further knowledge of this?

    Yes, prices are always subject to change, particularly when the item contains precious metals. My point specifically with respect to the Proof-S mint ASE is that the Mint has now opened enrollments for all ASE products, and they all say beginning with 2023, but the products that have already been released have the list price as TBD while the S-mint ASE lists the price as $73. In fact, it's TBD on the product page, but it's $73 on the enrollment page. This implies this is the price for the current year product.

    We won't know until enrollment shipment e-mails go out prior to 8/9, but don't be shocked if people signing up now receive 2022-S coins. Enrollments rarely if ever close and then reopen. People signing up for enrollments and not getting the current year coins pretty much always, to my knowledge, sign up AFTER the coin is released, not before. You know way more about this than I do, so please correct me if I am wrong, but that has always been my observation.

    In any event, something like this has never been seen before, where they "sell out" via enrollment and then make plenty of coins available at release. Since they previously set high limits for enrollments, and then arbitrarily reduced orders prior to shipment, and then had plenty of coins available for purchase on release day for the other two 2022 ASEs, it will not be surprising to see these coins available for purchase on 8/9.

    Since the enrollment was opened a month before release, it will also not be surprising for people enrolling now to receive shipments. Do you know of any other time when enrollments were accepted more than a few days prior to release that were NOT honored for the current year?

    Of course, since they DO say it begins in 2023, it also would not be surprising if the enrollment does not begin until next year. Let's face it -- anything is possible with these guys!

  • OnastoneOnastone Posts: 4,070 ✭✭✭✭✭

    LOL @HATTRICK !! I love your ever changing title!!!!!!

  • HATTRICKHATTRICK Posts: 2,167 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @NJCoin said:

    @HATTRICK said:
    not always the case. As reported by Coin World the prices for the 2023 morgan & peace dollars have already been posted in the Federal Register. That is where prices are established for new coins. See the first post in my 2023 Morgan & Peace Dollars thread. Many times the mint web pages are corrected for mintage limits and HHL and on sale dates. I don't know if prices can be changed after posting in the Federal Register. Anybody have any further knowledge of this?

    Yes, prices are always subject to change, particularly when the item contains precious metals. My point specifically with respect to the Proof-S mint ASE is that the Mint has now opened enrollments for all ASE products, and they all say beginning with 2023, but the products that have already been released have the list price as TBD while the S-mint ASE lists the price as $73. In fact, it's TBD on the product page, but it's $73 on the enrollment page. This implies this is the price for the current year product.

    We won't know until enrollment shipment e-mails go out prior to 8/9, but don't be shocked if people signing up now receive 2022-S coins. Enrollments rarely if ever close and then reopen. People signing up for enrollments and not getting the current year coins pretty much always, to my knowledge, sign up AFTER the coin is released, not before. You know way more about this than I do, so please correct me if I am wrong, but that has always been my observation.

    In any event, something like this has never been seen before, where they "sell out" via enrollment and then make plenty of coins available at release. Since they previously set high limits for enrollments, and then arbitrarily reduced orders prior to shipment, and then had plenty of coins available for purchase on release day for the other two 2022 ASEs, it will not be surprising to see these coins available for purchase on 8/9.

    Since the enrollment was opened a month before release, it will also not be surprising for people enrolling now to receive shipments. Do you know of any other time when enrollments were accepted more than a few days prior to release that were NOT honored for the current year?

    Of course, since they DO say it begins in 2023, it also would not be surprising if the enrollment does not begin until next year. Let's face it -- anything is possible with these guys!

    Yes The Mint is like a box of chocolates: "you never know what you will get"

    " If you push something hard enough, it will fall over. " The 1st Law of Opposition from The Firesign Theater
  • OnastoneOnastone Posts: 4,070 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @HATTRICK said:

    Yes The Mint is like a box of chocolates: "you never know what you will get"

    And sometimes you even get a MINT !!!

  • Namvet69Namvet69 Posts: 9,194 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Dare I ask if anyone has received notice on their PH silver dollar order?

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  • ProofCollectionProofCollection Posts: 6,680 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @NJCoin said:

    @HATTRICK said:
    not always the case. As reported by Coin World the prices for the 2023 morgan & peace dollars have already been posted in the Federal Register. That is where prices are established for new coins. See the first post in my 2023 Morgan & Peace Dollars thread. Many times the mint web pages are corrected for mintage limits and HHL and on sale dates. I don't know if prices can be changed after posting in the Federal Register. Anybody have any further knowledge of this?

    Yes, prices are always subject to change, particularly when the item contains precious metals. My point specifically with respect to the Proof-S mint ASE is that the Mint has now opened enrollments for all ASE products, and they all say beginning with 2023, but the products that have already been released have the list price as TBD while the S-mint ASE lists the price as $73. In fact, it's TBD on the product page, but it's $73 on the enrollment page. This implies this is the price for the current year product.

    We won't know until enrollment shipment e-mails go out prior to 8/9, but don't be shocked if people signing up now receive 2022-S coins. Enrollments rarely if ever close and then reopen. People signing up for enrollments and not getting the current year coins pretty much always, to my knowledge, sign up AFTER the coin is released, not before. You know way more about this than I do, so please correct me if I am wrong, but that has always been my observation.

    In any event, something like this has never been seen before, where they "sell out" via enrollment and then make plenty of coins available at release. Since they previously set high limits for enrollments, and then arbitrarily reduced orders prior to shipment, and then had plenty of coins available for purchase on release day for the other two 2022 ASEs, it will not be surprising to see these coins available for purchase on 8/9.

    Since the enrollment was opened a month before release, it will also not be surprising for people enrolling now to receive shipments. Do you know of any other time when enrollments were accepted more than a few days prior to release that were NOT honored for the current year?

    Of course, since they DO say it begins in 2023, it also would not be surprising if the enrollment does not begin until next year. Let's face it -- anything is possible with these guys!

    I suspect you're right that people who sign up today will get 2022-S coins. I just wish they would be more accurate with the terminology and call it a pre-order which is pretty much what it has become. Or just allow pre-orders also which are the same thing as an enrollment with automatic immediate cancellation of future releases.

  • Jzyskowski1Jzyskowski1 Posts: 6,650 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Remember everybody 🦫

    Last year the mint stated on the website that they were “ trying to enhance my experience “🤐

    Well they have successfully achieved their goal. They just never said negative or positive 😉🙀🦫

    🎶 shout shout, let it all out 🎶

  • Cranium_Basher73Cranium_Basher73 Posts: 3,328 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @Onastone said:

    @HATTRICK said:

    Yes The Mint is like a box of chocolates: "you never know what you will get"

    And sometimes you even get a MINT !!!

    Or one filled with toothpaste.

    Throw a coin enough times, and suppose one day it lands on its edge.

  • HoneyMarketHoneyMarket Posts: 806 ✭✭✭✭

    @Namvet69 said:
    Dare I ask if anyone has received notice on their PH silver dollar order?

    No one has reported receiving notices yet - over on the **The Official Nat'l Purple Heart Hall of Honor 2022 Comm. Thread*** Colorized Silver $1 Unavailable thread. But many are waiting for the first notice...As am I.

    BST references available on request

  • HATTRICKHATTRICK Posts: 2,167 ✭✭✭✭✭

    much processing going on with the Morgan & Peace enrollments as well as the 2023 ASE enrollments. Expect possible delays in notices and account updates.

    " If you push something hard enough, it will fall over. " The 1st Law of Opposition from The Firesign Theater
  • HATTRICKHATTRICK Posts: 2,167 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Just received the 2022 Collector’s Guide from the Mint. It states the 2022 ASE’s Enrollment inventory has been depleted. The current enrollment will only get you from 2023 on. You will have to get lucky with online purchases for the 2022 Proofs. The uncirculated ones are still available

    " If you push something hard enough, it will fall over. " The 1st Law of Opposition from The Firesign Theater
  • HATTRICKHATTRICK Posts: 2,167 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited July 11, 2022 10:09AM

    Less than 30 days before the San Francisco ASE goes on sale and still no mintage or HHL info on Mint website. Data Available showing 0 for now. Stay tuned.

    " If you push something hard enough, it will fall over. " The 1st Law of Opposition from The Firesign Theater
  • HATTRICKHATTRICK Posts: 2,167 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Will the Mint post mintage and HHL limits for the S ASE before it is too late for flippers to cancel their enrollments? >:) Most likely they will, however weak hands should bail out early.

    " If you push something hard enough, it will fall over. " The 1st Law of Opposition from The Firesign Theater
  • HATTRICKHATTRICK Posts: 2,167 ✭✭✭✭✭

    2023 S Enrollments have a limit of 25. I forget what the limit was on this years was. If they over produce these I expect a lot of buyers will lower their enrollment quantities if they can before going on sale.

    " If you push something hard enough, it will fall over. " The 1st Law of Opposition from The Firesign Theater
  • Jzyskowski1Jzyskowski1 Posts: 6,650 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I hope these do better than the burnished ASE’s , which went available ( although the “Chocolatres” told us they sold em all, enrollments) June!! 1st. and are STILL available 🤨🙀🦫

    🎶 shout shout, let it all out 🎶

  • JeffMJeffM Posts: 587 ✭✭✭✭

    The 2022 S ASE will be very tough to get unless you are locked in with an enrollment. It will be easier in 2023 because mintage will be increased (hence the current enrollment availability beginning with the 2023).

  • stawickstawick Posts: 469 ✭✭✭✭

    @JeffM said:
    The 2022 S ASE will be very tough to get unless you are locked in with an enrollment. It will be easier in 2023 because mintage will be increased (hence the current enrollment availability beginning with the 2023).

    Yeah, but thats what they said about the other ASE products. I had NO problems ordering either of those w/o enrollment. The same availability issue prevailed across those as well.
    Its not you, I'm just not sure I trust the Mint on this at this point.

  • HoneyMarketHoneyMarket Posts: 806 ✭✭✭✭

    @JeffM said:
    The 2022 S ASE will be very tough to get unless you are locked in with an enrollment.

    I agree - the 2022 S ASE will be very tough, if not impossible to get on release day.

    The "S" sold out on enrollments, well before the "W" earlier this year. I tried to ask (earlier in this thread I believe) why the "S" Proof was more popular than the "W" proof but I don't believe I ever really got an answer.

    I was able to enroll in the "W" Proofs earlier this year...and later increased my order to 100 right before shipping with no problems (I had a buyer who asked me to buy as many as I could - it was not a large profit maker but it certainly helped pay for some of my other purchases.

    I'll be trying to buy the 2022 "S" proofs when they go on sale - but I don't believe there will be any...after all, the Mint did tell us that enrollments were a HUGE success and stuff was sold out via enrollments - but then again, on release day for the "W" proofs, there were plenty for sale!

    BST references available on request

  • BullsitterBullsitter Posts: 5,811 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited July 18, 2022 10:59AM

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  • derrybderryb Posts: 37,400 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited July 18, 2022 11:07AM

    @HATTRICK said:
    They will not honor these enrollments for 2022. You can only get them if they go on general sale. The mint has opened enrollments for future years for many coins and sets in the past and they did not give access for the current year.

    I believe they froze the 2022 S enrollment a while back. Only those enrolled at that time will receive enrollment coins in 2022.

    It is also my understanding that once you enroll in a product you stay enrolled year after year. If you don't want the product that yeas simply uncheck the "active" box and check it again when you are ready for the next enrollment.

    Capital investment depends on confidence. - Martin Armstrong

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