Sorry to hear about the continuing quality issues with the Mint. After years of getting not so great coins, my three were flawless to the naked eye. My 3 were extra shiny, brilliant and beautiful. In my eyes all are 70+.
" If you push something hard enough, it will fall over. " The 1st Law of Opposition from The Firesign Theater
I was beginning to think I was the only one that got bad quality coins. I had 25 different shipments of these and had the same problems on every order. Hazings, Pits in the background and a lot of foreign material inside holders.
Out of the 3 I bought, one had scratches, one had sprocket marks along the obverse, and one looked perfect. 1 out of 3 aint bad. However, I got a couple Congrats and those actually looked stunning, I couldn't find any imperfections.
You just never know when you're going to get a perfect coin or just something mediocre.
I was beginning to think I was the only one that got bad quality coins. I had 25 different shipments of these and had the same problems on every order. Hazings, Pits in the background and a lot of foreign material inside holders.
Out of the 3 I bought, one had scratches, one had sprocket marks along the obverse, and one looked perfect. 1 out of 3 aint bad. However, I got a couple Congrats and those actually looked stunning, I couldn't find any imperfections.
You just never know when you're going to get a perfect coin or just something mediocre.
yes definitely like a box of chocolates
" If you push something hard enough, it will fall over. " The 1st Law of Opposition from The Firesign Theater
@OLC said:
Do Congratulation sets need to be sent in sealed boxes to be graded by PCGS? I remember something being mentioned that for NGC they need to be. Thanks
If you want the "congratulation set" designation, yes.
Unless you submit in a sealed box from the Mint, PCGS cannot distinguish your coin from the individual coin released the same day (i.e., 22EA).
@Jzyskowski1 said:
Yes Sealed only if you’re wanting a FS or ER designation. 😉🙀🦫
Edit to add: Sealed box not necessary for “congratulations set “ label, just original packaging.
Maybe I am wrong. (It would not be the first time.)
I always thought that PCGS wanted a sealed box from the Mint in order to issue a 'congratulations set' label.
Forgive my ignorance, I have never purchased one. Is the ASE sealed within the presentation folder, or is it removable?
Edited to Add:
FWIW, @OLC was right. At NGC, "(t)he Congratulations Set must be submitted in the sealed original Mint shipping box to receive the set designation." Reference
I’m not positive but I’m fairly certain that the OGP is good 😊 The coin is sealed into the packaging and the packaging is blister pack sealed with plastic wrap. 😉🙀🦫
Wow, Clear as mud. I know you don't need a sealed box for First Strike designation if you send in within the first 30 days. I figured as long as I kept coin in original Congratulation set folder I was good. Just wanted to be for sure before I started opening. I know NGC wants it in sealed box and they make it very clear on their website. I just can't find anything on PCGS website that says it has to be in sealed box. I have sent in before and it wasn't required. I just wanted to be sure nothing had changed.
Generally, sealed us box is required for special designations on sets
Sealed us mint boxes are required for First Strike if the coin was released in a previous set
If the coin was not released previously, and not in a special set, no need to send in sealed us mint box if sent in prior to the FS cutoff.
Any First Strike designation sent in after the FS deadline, must be sent in a sealed us mint box.
@jessewvu said:
guys, this has been discussed at length in another thread.
Sorry. I must have missed it.
Would you mind sharing a link to the thread, or a conclusion?
looked, couldn't find it. it was in the last few months. detailed procedures for almost every scenario for FS, FDOI, and special designations were discussed in a bulleted fashion.
for the 2022 ASE's, the Congratulations set is REQUIRED to be sent in to PCGS in a sealed US Mint box to get the Congrats Set Designation because the ASE was released seperatly.
@Jzyskowski1 said:
I’m not positive but I’m fairly certain that the OGP is good 😊 The coin is sealed into the packaging and the packaging is blister pack sealed with plastic wrap. 😉🙀🦫
Good to know. Thanks for the info. I appreciate it.
@OLC said:
Wow, Clear as mud. I know you don't need a sealed box for First Strike designation if you send in within the first 30 days. I figured as long as I kept coin in original Congratulation set folder I was good. Just wanted to be for sure before I started opening. I know NGC wants it in sealed box and they make it very clear on their website. I just can't find anything on PCGS website that says it has to be in sealed box. I have sent in before and it wasn't required. I just wanted to be sure nothing had changed.
Sorry about the conflicting opinions.
If the 'congratulations set' designation is important to you, I suggest going to the source - call PCGS and confirm their requirements BEFORE opening the box from the Mint.
If you do call PCGS, please consider posting their response here. It could help other forum members with the same question.
there is no question about it. if you want the congratulations designation on the 2022 ASE, it MUST be sent in, in the original US Mint box. Otherwise, there is no way to verify it came from the set.
@Jzyskowski1 said:
I’m not positive but I’m fairly certain that the OGP is good 😊 The coin is sealed into the packaging and the packaging is blister pack sealed with plastic wrap. 😉🙀🦫
I'm with you on this. It would be nearly impossible to take the silver eagle out of the packaging and sub another one in without it being noticed but I know NGC requires it because it is on there website. It is not specifically spelled out anywhere on PCGS site that I can find. I have emailed PCGS to see what they say.
@OLC said:
Wow, Clear as mud. I know you don't need a sealed box for First Strike designation if you send in within the first 30 days. I figured as long as I kept coin in original Congratulation set folder I was good. Just wanted to be for sure before I started opening. I know NGC wants it in sealed box and they make it very clear on their website. I just can't find anything on PCGS website that says it has to be in sealed box. I have sent in before and it wasn't required. I just wanted to be sure nothing had changed.
While the forum is a good source of information, if you are going to submit something it is best to contact the TPG you are sending to to verify their current requirements as they are always subject to change.
" If you push something hard enough, it will fall over. " The 1st Law of Opposition from The Firesign Theater
@HATTRICK said:
While the forum is a good source of information, if you are going to submit something it is best to contact the TPG you are sending to to verify their current requirements as they are always subject to change.
Had to call PCGS this morning on another issue, so I asked about this. Spoke with a rep that I have dealt with in the past. Have always received good info from him.
He said that sealed 'congratulation set' packaging was not adequate. If you want the 'congratulation set' designation on the label, it HAS TO BE submitted to PCGS in a sealed box from the Mint.
@HATTRICK said:
While the forum is a good source of information, if you are going to submit something it is best to contact the TPG you are sending to to verify their current requirements as they are always subject to change.
Had to call PCGS this morning on another issue, so I asked about this. Spoke with a rep that I have dealt with in the past. Have always received good info from him.
He said that sealed 'congratulation set' packaging was not adequate. If you want the 'congratulation set' designation on the label, it HAS TO BE submitted to PCGS in a sealed box from the Mint.
@OLC said:
jessewvu, Have you ever had a Congratulations set in hand?
Yes, a lot of them. I still have dozens of OGP from the first year of issue. All you need to do is pop the capsule top off and you can swap coins. It’s not “blister pack” unless they changed designs. All my sets for 2022 so far went to PCGS and I didn’t get a chance to look at them
@OLC said:
jessewvu, Have you ever had a Congratulations set in hand?
Yes, a lot of them. I still have dozens of OGP from the first year of issue. All you need to do is pop the capsule top off and you can swap coins. It’s not “blister pack” unless they changed designs. All my sets for 2022 so far went to PCGS and I didn’t get a chance to look at them
Hey guys. Been on a different schedule so haven’t been monitoring these. I can say that today and yesterday and probably much longer, the W proofs have been available in the morning. I have been busy with family planning and end of school. ( Little dude is going into the 4th grade, turning 9 (😳) Thanks 😉🙀🦫
Well now, I guess I’ll have to check my enrollment and decide how many I want ( up to 4). Or just put zero in quantity and wait for next year, without, ( so far) losing my enrollment status.
I really hope those of you who collect the ase’s and want a painless way to order, keep checking for the opportunity to sign up. 😉🙀🦫
😉. That’s me
🙀. That’s my 20 year old cat
🦫. That’s the imaginary beaver who lives here and is extremely opinionated. He represents my broadening collecting habits (. Also created with my 8 year old grandson)
@HATTRICK said:
according to a previous article in CW it was stated that a mint representative stated that enrollments for the
2022 Uncirculated coin totaled 147,897
@HATTRICK said:
according to a previous article in CW it was stated that a mint representative stated that enrollments for the
2022 Uncirculated coin totaled 147,897
@stawick said:
Interesting ... because when we did the "data available" check for the W-proof on sale day, I could swore I saw values over 40K.
My last post did not include any information on the 2022-W Proof coin.
The presented enrollment figures are for pending releases, and are subject to change as customers adjust their existing enrollments. Note the reference date of 4/12/22.
FWIW, I just checked the next ASE release, 22EG on 06/01/22, and it appears that existing enrollments can still be modified (i.e., increased or decreased).
Also, the 'product page' for 22EG, the 2022-W Unc. ASE, has been updated.
@MetroD said:
FWIW, I just checked the next ASE release, 22EG on 06/01/22, and it appears that existing enrollments can still be modified (i.e., increased or decreased).
Also, the 'product page' for 22EG, the 2022-W Unc. ASE, has been updated.
I was not following along initially with the enrollments (nor have one) on the 22EG (1oz Uncirculated ASE) - was there a limit on the enrollments? Can enrollments be increased to 100, as was able to be done with the prior W-Proof ASE's? I see from your link that the household limit is three (but I don't think that applies to enrollments??).
@stawick said:
Interesting ... because when we did the "data available" check for the W-proof on sale day, I could swore I saw values over 40K.
My last post did not include any information on the 2022-W Proof coin.
The presented enrollment figures are for pending releases, and are subject to change as customers adjust their existing enrollments. Note the reference date of 4/12/22.
FWIW, I just checked the next ASE release, 22EG on 06/01/22, and it appears that existing enrollments can still be modified (i.e., increased or decreased).
Also, the 'product page' for 22EG, the 2022-W Unc. ASE, has been updated.
Edited for clarity.
It will let you increase it but it will revert to the HHL limit before shipment
" If you push something hard enough, it will fall over. " The 1st Law of Opposition from The Firesign Theater
@HATTRICK said:
It will let you increase it but it will revert to the HHL limit before shipment
I don't recall exactly from the ASE W-Proofs...but I was able to increase my enrollment from 10 to 100 a week before the sale. I don't recall the HHL at the time (maybe there was none) but it did not affect me getting 100.
@MetroD said:
FWIW, I just checked the next ASE release, 22EG on 06/01/22, and it appears that existing enrollments can still be modified (i.e., increased or decreased).
Also, the 'product page' for 22EG, the 2022-W Unc. ASE, has been updated.
I was not following along initially with the enrollments (nor have one) on the 22EG (1oz Uncirculated ASE) - was there a limit on the enrollments? Can enrollments be increased to 100, as was able to be done with the prior W-Proof ASE's? I see from your link that the household limit is three (but I don't think that applies to enrollments??).
Enrollments made prior to cut off can remain at the level at that time ( don't remember what that was ) Enrollments increased after the HHL Limit will likely only ship the HHL and the mint reserves the right to change any order limits at any time.
Remember : "The mint is like a box of chocolates"
" If you push something hard enough, it will fall over. " The 1st Law of Opposition from The Firesign Theater
@HoneyMarket said:
I was not following along initially with the enrollments (nor have one) on the 22EG (1oz Uncirculated ASE) - was there a limit on the enrollments? Can enrollments be increased to 100, as was able to be done with the prior W-Proof ASE's? I see from your link that the household limit is three (but I don't think that applies to enrollments??).
Just checked my Unc. ASE enrollment, MT. While I did not change my enrollment, it looks like it is possible to request an increase up to 100.
As I understand it, the "household order limit" does not apply to enrollments.
Like @HATTRICK pointed out, the Mint has the right to change limits, both HHL and enrollment.
What am I missing? Why would anyone be interested in increasing enrollment. They are making so many more this year with the trays. These were selling for less than mint issue price last year within a week or two of issue date. I am planning on cancelling my enrollment unless someone enlightens me.
I’m not sure I agree that these are or we’re selling for less than issue price.
Also, there’s plenty of sellers who are happy with getting $99 for a $73 ase. That’s a reasonable profit. 😉🙀🦫
Comments
Sorry to hear about the continuing quality issues with the Mint. After years of getting not so great coins, my three were flawless to the naked eye. My 3 were extra shiny, brilliant and beautiful. In my eyes all are 70+.
Out of the 3 I bought, one had scratches, one had sprocket marks along the obverse, and one looked perfect. 1 out of 3 aint bad. However, I got a couple Congrats and those actually looked stunning, I couldn't find any imperfections.
You just never know when you're going to get a perfect coin or just something mediocre.
yes definitely like a box of chocolates
Just for you @HATTRICK....or maybe just for all of us...
🎶 shout shout, let it all out 🎶
Do Congratulation sets need to be sent in sealed boxes to be graded by PCGS? I remember something being mentioned that for NGC they need to be. Thanks
Yes Sealed only if you’re wanting a FS or ER designation. 😉🙀🦫
Edit to add: Sealed box not necessary for “congratulations set “ label, just original packaging.
🎶 shout shout, let it all out 🎶
If you want the "congratulation set" designation, yes.
Unless you submit in a sealed box from the Mint, PCGS cannot distinguish your coin from the individual coin released the same day (i.e., 22EA).
PCGS coin numbers: 892351, and 892352.
Maybe I am wrong. (It would not be the first time.)
I always thought that PCGS wanted a sealed box from the Mint in order to issue a 'congratulations set' label.
Forgive my ignorance, I have never purchased one. Is the ASE sealed within the presentation folder, or is it removable?
Edited to Add:
FWIW, @OLC was right. At NGC, "(t)he Congratulations Set must be submitted in the sealed original Mint shipping box to receive the set designation."
Reference
I’m not positive but I’m fairly certain that the OGP is good 😊 The coin is sealed into the packaging and the packaging is blister pack sealed with plastic wrap. 😉🙀🦫
🎶 shout shout, let it all out 🎶
Wow, Clear as mud. I know you don't need a sealed box for First Strike designation if you send in within the first 30 days. I figured as long as I kept coin in original Congratulation set folder I was good. Just wanted to be for sure before I started opening. I know NGC wants it in sealed box and they make it very clear on their website. I just can't find anything on PCGS website that says it has to be in sealed box. I have sent in before and it wasn't required. I just wanted to be sure nothing had changed.
guys, this has been discussed at length in another thread.
Sorry. I must have missed it.
Would you mind sharing a link to the thread, or a conclusion?
Generally, sealed us box is required for special designations on sets
Sealed us mint boxes are required for First Strike if the coin was released in a previous set
If the coin was not released previously, and not in a special set, no need to send in sealed us mint box if sent in prior to the FS cutoff.
Any First Strike designation sent in after the FS deadline, must be sent in a sealed us mint box.
looked, couldn't find it. it was in the last few months. detailed procedures for almost every scenario for FS, FDOI, and special designations were discussed in a bulleted fashion.
@jessewvu
Thanks.
for the 2022 ASE's, the Congratulations set is REQUIRED to be sent in to PCGS in a sealed US Mint box to get the Congrats Set Designation because the ASE was released seperatly.
Good to know. Thanks for the info. I appreciate it.
Sorry about the conflicting opinions.
If the 'congratulations set' designation is important to you, I suggest going to the source - call PCGS and confirm their requirements BEFORE opening the box from the Mint.
If you do call PCGS, please consider posting their response here. It could help other forum members with the same question.
there is no question about it. if you want the congratulations designation on the 2022 ASE, it MUST be sent in, in the original US Mint box. Otherwise, there is no way to verify it came from the set.
jessewvu, Have you ever had a Congratulations set in hand?
I'm with you on this. It would be nearly impossible to take the silver eagle out of the packaging and sub another one in without it being noticed but I know NGC requires it because it is on there website. It is not specifically spelled out anywhere on PCGS site that I can find. I have emailed PCGS to see what they say.
All quiet on the western front 😉🙀🦫
🎶 shout shout, let it all out 🎶
While the forum is a good source of information, if you are going to submit something it is best to contact the TPG you are sending to to verify their current requirements as they are always subject to change.
Had to call PCGS this morning on another issue, so I asked about this. Spoke with a rep that I have dealt with in the past. Have always received good info from him.
He said that sealed 'congratulation set' packaging was not adequate. If you want the 'congratulation set' designation on the label, it HAS TO BE submitted to PCGS in a sealed box from the Mint.
Wish they would state that on the PCGS Website.
Yes, a lot of them. I still have dozens of OGP from the first year of issue. All you need to do is pop the capsule top off and you can swap coins. It’s not “blister pack” unless they changed designs. All my sets for 2022 so far went to PCGS and I didn’t get a chance to look at them
OK Thanks, That makes sense
Got my frosty awesome subscription in the mail looks like scratches it’s my finger print on the plastic
https://www.pcgs.com/setregistry/quarters/washington-quarters-major-sets/washington-quarters-date-set-circulation-strikes-1932-present/publishedset/209923
https://www.pcgs.com/setregistry/quarters/washington-quarters-major-sets/washington-quarters-date-set-circulation-strikes-1932-present/album/209923
Finally...Pics!
It's too bad when the first thing I notice is all the black felt threads all over the outside of the protective case.
I wonder how PCGS deals with this prior to taking them out to ensure none of those fibers get on the proofs.
Vacuum before opening??
BST references available on request
the uncirculated now shows June 1 on the product schedule. No product limit or HHL shown yet.
Only three weeks until the uncirculated W goes on sale. Still no info yet. June 1 be prepared because:
"You never know what you will get"
Hey guys. Been on a different schedule so haven’t been monitoring these. I can say that today and yesterday and probably much longer, the W proofs have been available in the morning. I have been busy with family planning and end of school. ( Little dude is going into the 4th grade, turning 9 (😳) Thanks 😉🙀🦫
🎶 shout shout, let it all out 🎶
Still no info available
Well now, I guess I’ll have to check my enrollment and decide how many I want ( up to 4). Or just put zero in quantity and wait for next year, without, ( so far) losing my enrollment status.
I really hope those of you who collect the ase’s and want a painless way to order, keep checking for the opportunity to sign up. 😉🙀🦫
🎶 shout shout, let it all out 🎶
What does 😉 🙀🦫 mean?
according to a previous article in CW it was stated that a mint representative stated that enrollments for the
2022 Uncirculated coin totaled 147,897
😉. That’s me
🙀. That’s my 20 year old cat
🦫. That’s the imaginary beaver who lives here and is extremely opinionated. He represents my broadening collecting habits (. Also created with my 8 year old grandson)
🎶 shout shout, let it all out 🎶
Per a JAN-2022 CW article:
Per a mid-APR-2022 CW article, as of 4/12/22:
MetroD
Thanks for the additional info but remember it’s not over until the mint lady sings
Interesting ... because when we did the "data available" check for the W-proof on sale day, I coulda swore I saw values over 40K.
My last post did not include any information on the 2022-W Proof coin.
The presented enrollment figures are for pending releases, and are subject to change as customers adjust their existing enrollments. Note the reference date of 4/12/22.
FWIW, I just checked the next ASE release, 22EG on 06/01/22, and it appears that existing enrollments can still be modified (i.e., increased or decreased).
Also, the 'product page' for 22EG, the 2022-W Unc. ASE, has been updated.
Edited for clarity.
Uncirculated ASE HHL 3 Product Limit 160,000
here is the uncirculated order page:
https://catalog.usmint.gov/american-eagle-2022-one-ounce-silver-uncirculated-coin-22EG.html?cgid=2022-product-schedule
I was not following along initially with the enrollments (nor have one) on the 22EG (1oz Uncirculated ASE) - was there a limit on the enrollments? Can enrollments be increased to 100, as was able to be done with the prior W-Proof ASE's? I see from your link that the household limit is three (but I don't think that applies to enrollments??).
BST references available on request
It will let you increase it but it will revert to the HHL limit before shipment
I don't recall exactly from the ASE W-Proofs...but I was able to increase my enrollment from 10 to 100 a week before the sale. I don't recall the HHL at the time (maybe there was none) but it did not affect me getting 100.
BST references available on request
Enrollments made prior to cut off can remain at the level at that time ( don't remember what that was ) Enrollments increased after the HHL Limit will likely only ship the HHL and the mint reserves the right to change any order limits at any time.
Remember : "The mint is like a box of chocolates"
Just checked my Unc. ASE enrollment, MT. While I did not change my enrollment, it looks like it is possible to request an increase up to 100.
As I understand it, the "household order limit" does not apply to enrollments.
Like @HATTRICK pointed out, the Mint has the right to change limits, both HHL and enrollment.
derp - yeah my brane shut off after it saw "W".
What am I missing? Why would anyone be interested in increasing enrollment. They are making so many more this year with the trays. These were selling for less than mint issue price last year within a week or two of issue date. I am planning on cancelling my enrollment unless someone enlightens me.
I’m not sure I agree that these are or we’re selling for less than issue price.
Also, there’s plenty of sellers who are happy with getting $99 for a $73 ase. That’s a reasonable profit. 😉🙀🦫
🎶 shout shout, let it all out 🎶