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    Jzyskowski1Jzyskowski1 Posts: 6,650 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @ACop said:

    @jmlanzaf said:

    @MilesWaits said:
    Amazing. Simply amazing. Auctions for a coin that no one has!

    Meh...if you charge it you are also paying with money you don't have...

    The credit card companies dont have the money either

    But they have the connection and a massive amount of power. Money does not appear on the list with connections and power

    🎶 shout shout, let it all out 🎶

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    Jzyskowski1Jzyskowski1 Posts: 6,650 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @ACop said:

    @jmlanzaf said:

    @MilesWaits said:
    Amazing. Simply amazing. Auctions for a coin that no one has!

    Meh...if you charge it you are also paying with money you don't have...

    The credit card companies dont have the money either

    They have power and connections

    🎶 shout shout, let it all out 🎶

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    cagcrispcagcrisp Posts: 1,063 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @fathom said:
    If they went to HHL 3 that is reason to believe they can handle demand moving forward. Otherwise they would have HHL 1.

    Unfortunately they may have miscalculated again. The ebay premiums are through the roof.

    I think we may be looking at minutes to sellout in August again. Even with some sort of bot mitigation.

    I completely disagree. The Mint didn't go with a HHL of 1 because it would turn a $150.00 coin ( $85.00 cost) into a $50.00 coin.

    HHL of 1 with a mintage of 175,000 would be a disaster in the Long Term...

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    MasonGMasonG Posts: 7,634 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Still looking for the sweet spot, I see- where the dealers and flippers get shut out, all the collectors who want one can get one and still be assured they won't lose money when they decide to sell. :#

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    JeffMJeffM Posts: 587 ✭✭✭✭

    @MasonG said:
    Still looking for the sweet spot, I see- where the dealers and flippers get shut out, all the collectors who want one can get one and still be assured they won't lose money when they decide to sell. :#

    But....but.....you don't understand! The flippers and dealers are the heroes of society and saviors of coin collecting! We should all salute them, bow down, and kiss their left arse cheeks. They benefit us all by clogging up the Mint's web site and each buying hundreds or thousands of the coins we are unable to get our hands on. It's all for our benefit! The thousands they are making in profit by gobbling up every Mint release they can is simply not enough considering the value they bring to society and life in general.

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    MsMorrisineMsMorrisine Posts: 40,184 ✭✭✭✭✭

    231 auctions

    9 "new listing"

    26 ending in under 9 days

    Current maintainer of Stone's Master List of Favorite Websites // My BST transactions
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    MasonGMasonG Posts: 7,634 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @jmlanzaf said:
    But I'm willing to eliminate them. Let's have an auction. Or raise the price to $200. The flippers will move on.

    Whatever it takes to make sure I get the coin and not someone else.

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    3stars3stars Posts: 2,303 ✭✭✭✭✭

    "The seller needed money and when they discovered that their proof sets had plummeted in value, they are likely never going to be involved in the hobby again"

    the hobby isn't for everyone, nor is it a requirement that people participate in it. In this case they would be better off not trying again. Lesson learned.

    Previous transactions: Wondercoin, goldman86, dmarks, Type2
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    3stars3stars Posts: 2,303 ✭✭✭✭✭

    What a surprise...

    Previous transactions: Wondercoin, goldman86, dmarks, Type2
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    JeffMJeffM Posts: 587 ✭✭✭✭

    @jmlanzaf said:

    @JeffM said:

    @MasonG said:
    Still looking for the sweet spot, I see- where the dealers and flippers get shut out, all the collectors who want one can get one and still be assured they won't lose money when they decide to sell. :#

    But....but.....you don't understand! The flippers and dealers are the heroes of society and saviors of coin collecting! We should all salute them, bow down, and kiss their left arse cheeks. They benefit us all by clogging up the Mint's web site and each buying hundreds or thousands of the coins we are unable to get our hands on. It's all for our benefit! The thousands they are making in profit by gobbling up every Mint release they can is simply not enough considering the value they bring to society and life in general.

    Most flippers don't make thousands. And some of the market makers work hard to make money on things like proof and mint sets.

    But I'm willing to eliminate them. Let's have an auction. Or raise the price to $200. The flippers will move on.

    Oh, I see! So let's paint the scene of a flipper who buys, oh say, 300 coins (let's say ASEs). You trying to tell me that flipper will not sell the coins for a mere $10 per coin over cost ($3,000 profit)? I guarantee you that the coins will sell for more than $10 over list. To me, that equals thousands in profit. Unless, of course, that flipper is truly noble and magnanimous and donates the coins to those collectors he helped shut out from buying the coin from the Mint.

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    jessewvujessewvu Posts: 5,088 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited June 28, 2021 11:39AM

    @jmlanzaf said:

    A bulk submitter pays under $10 to get a coin slabbed while an individual collector pays $40+.

    I’m a pcgs authorized dealer and I’ve never paid less than $10 for a graded coin. I think the most I have sent in was 300 coins at one time. Perhaps the price goes down for more than 1,000.

    Edited to add that it will be very hard to get enough coins to make a bulk submission on the Morgan’s

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    MasonGMasonG Posts: 7,634 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @jmlanzaf said:
    A LOT of flippers simply buy their HHL and sell the extras.

    I understand a lot of collectors do the same. But I'm sure that's different.

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    3stars3stars Posts: 2,303 ✭✭✭✭✭

    rule #1 of investing, and especially collecting - don't spend money you can't afford to lose. Nothing is guaranteed to gain or retain the same value as when purchased.

    Previous transactions: Wondercoin, goldman86, dmarks, Type2
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    HATTRICKHATTRICK Posts: 2,593 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Thoes who have the GOLD, and the SILVER, make the rules >:)

    " If you push something hard enough, it will fall over. " The 1st Law of Opposition from The Firesign Theater
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    7Jaguars7Jaguars Posts: 8,032 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I think the point was missed - root out the flippers - this from the collector(s). And this by letting market forces work: there will be a burn of increased mintages and then they would fall, very likely as they did in the late '90s. Loyal collectors then get their reward [to some extent].

    Love that Milled British (1830-1960)
    Well, just Love coins, period.
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    MasonGMasonG Posts: 7,634 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @7Jaguars said:
    I think the point was missed - root out the flippers - this from the collector(s). And this by letting market forces work: there will be a burn of increased mintages and then they would fall, very likely as they did in the late '90s. Loyal collectors then get their reward [to some extent].

    "Their reward" being falling values for the issues with increased mintages that they buy. The flippers, of course, won't be buying these but not to worry- they'll come back when mintages fall.

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    7Jaguars7Jaguars Posts: 8,032 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Missed my point as well, the market would need an adjustment period and collectors would then come back into lay in determining mintages; there would be some low. mintages ala JR $% and Kennedy mattes, etc.

    Love that Milled British (1830-1960)
    Well, just Love coins, period.
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    WQuarterFreddieWQuarterFreddie Posts: 3,328 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited June 28, 2021 5:24PM

    My goodness! Why don't you all get a room and talk about flippers. This thread has gotten way off track!🙄🤣😂

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    fathomfathom Posts: 2,217 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @cagcrisp said:

    @fathom said:
    If they went to HHL 3 that is reason to believe they can handle demand moving forward. Otherwise they would have HHL 1.

    Unfortunately they may have miscalculated again. The ebay premiums are through the roof.

    I think we may be looking at minutes to sellout in August again. Even with some sort of bot mitigation.

    I completely disagree. The Mint didn't go with a HHL of 1 because it would turn a $150.00 coin ( $85.00 cost) into a $50.00 coin.

    HHL of 1 with a mintage of 175,000 would be a disaster in the Long Term...

    Nonsense. The ASE v75 is a resounding success at 75000.

    There will be no "disasters" on this coin program. The demand is insatiable right now. I would be surprised if they keep the HHL at 3. Should be 1.

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    cagcrispcagcrisp Posts: 1,063 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @fathom said:

    @cagcrisp said:

    @fathom said:
    If they went to HHL 3 that is reason to believe they can handle demand moving forward. Otherwise they would have HHL 1.

    Unfortunately they may have miscalculated again. The ebay premiums are through the roof.

    I think we may be looking at minutes to sellout in August again. Even with some sort of bot mitigation.

    I completely disagree. The Mint didn't go with a HHL of 1 because it would turn a $150.00 coin ( $85.00 cost) into a $50.00 coin.

    HHL of 1 with a mintage of 175,000 would be a disaster in the Long Term...

    Nonsense. The ASE v75 is a resounding success at 75000.

    There will be no "disasters" on this coin program. The demand is insatiable right now. I would be surprised if they keep the HHL at 3. Should be 1.

    The is a big difference between 175,000 and 75,000…

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    smuglrsmuglr Posts: 580 ✭✭✭✭

    @jmlanzaf said:

    @WQuarterFreddie said:
    My goodness! Why don't you all get a room and talk about flippers. This thread has gotten way off track!🙄🤣😂

    We have a room. This is it.

    More precisely - Get A Thread! This one is titled Official Morgan and Peace silver dollar thread. Maybe an "I'm I flipper - so I'm a hero saving collecting vs. I hate flippers - they're evil." thread.

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    MasonGMasonG Posts: 7,634 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Nothing to see here, folks. Move along.

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    Jzyskowski1Jzyskowski1 Posts: 6,650 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @cagcrisp said:

    @fathom said:

    @cagcrisp said:

    @fathom said:
    If they went to HHL 3 that is reason to believe they can handle demand moving forward. Otherwise they would have HHL 1.

    Unfortunately they may have miscalculated again. The ebay premiums are through the roof.

    I think we may be looking at minutes to sellout in August again. Even with some sort of bot mitigation.

    I completely disagree. The Mint didn't go with a HHL of 1 because it would turn a $150.00 coin ( $85.00 cost) into a $50.00 coin.

    HHL of 1 with a mintage of 175,000 would be a disaster in the Long Term...

    Nonsense. The ASE v75 is a resounding success at 75000.

    There will be no "disasters" on this coin program. The demand is insatiable right now. I would be surprised if they keep the HHL at 3. Should be 1.

    The is a big difference between 175,000 and 75,000…

    I’m a newbie and I got this one. The difference is 100,000🤠

    🎶 shout shout, let it all out 🎶

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    MasonGMasonG Posts: 7,634 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @jmlanzaf said:
    I suppose you'd prefer a zombie thread with no discussion going on.

    That depends. Are they the traditional slow walking zombies or the new fast walking ones?

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    smuglrsmuglr Posts: 580 ✭✭✭✭

    Fish zombies - ones that can't resist bait -

    • Bazinga
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    MrBearMrBear Posts: 493 ✭✭✭

    I was just digging around in boxes of my collection and found a lot of stuff that I clearly bought to flip (2010 5oz pucks anyone?) that was a mistake, from a "make money" perspective.

    When the privy pair went on sale, a buddy of mine got locked out (as some people here did) or clogged because he's in San Jose. It was merely "tough" for me. I ordered him two of each (and two for me)

    Occasionally successful coin collector.
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    mynamespatmynamespat Posts: 75 ✭✭✭

    I skipped the last 8 pages. I need a summary. Can somebody Cliff note? ...and how many of the posts belong to jmlanzaf?

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    GRANDAMGRANDAM Posts: 8,785 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Since I am a long time Mint Customer,,,,,,,, 40+ years I believe orders should be on a seniority system. ;)

    GrandAm :)
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    AlexinPAAlexinPA Posts: 1,458 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Since I am a long time Mint Non-Customer.......50 years I believe they ought to just shut down. I have no use for coins made after 1899.

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    SPalladinoSPalladino Posts: 979 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @jessewvu said:
    So, are they going to sell any of the remaining Morgan’s, cc/o?

    I have no inside knowledge on the answer to this, but, I would guess "yes".

    1) The mint procured 1,075,000 of these unique planchets (0.858 troy oz. of .999 fine silver in essentially the same dimensions as the originals) - they either strike them, or melt them. (or save them if the continuation of these types of offerings into 2022 is not conjecture).
    2) The product limit is set for each offering - it is unlikely that eg, 1000 unstruck planchets will be transferred from privy mark issues to the other yet to be offered issues.
    3) The privy mark issues are still labeled "remind me", not "sold out".
    4) The mint has until October (and perhaps beyond) to sort out unsold / returned items. They will likely make them available later (eg, between August and October)

    • again, my guess.
    Steve Palladino
    - Ike Group member
    - DIVa (Designated Ike Varieties) Project co-lead and attributor
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    jessewvujessewvu Posts: 5,088 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Did I find the solution to orders???

    The us mint allows you to get items in your cart fairly quickly. How about they send emails to those with coins in their cart to fulfill their orders before making them available on their site? Seems that would solve a ton of problems…. Perhaps only release 50% of the coins at release and let the rest go to those that get them in their carts…

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    MasonGMasonG Posts: 7,634 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @jessewvu said:
    Did I find the solution to orders???

    If there are more people who want coins than there are coins to go around, it doesn't matter how you rearrange those deck chairs- some people will get left out. And they'll be unhappy because the ordering process isn't fair.

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    RichRRichR Posts: 3,985 ✭✭✭✭✭

    All I know is that I'm willing to straight up trade 2 of my privy marks (1 CC and 1 O), for 1 each of the next 2 coins.

    Straight up trade...once I have them in hand.

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