My prediction for how the Mint is going to now compound this debacle...
Since they did cite the silver supply/planchet issue...which by all indications is an outright lie, since the Mint previously said that they had already secured the raw materials...I predict they will now:
Tweak the ordering process around the edges in a less than significant way...ie lower the HHL
Not actually do anything to improve their ordering/computer systems...ie that would cost them money
Actually raise the previously announced prices for the remaining coins!
DA DA...problem solved in the minds of the Mint. But for us...not so much!
And furthermore...if they actually DID improve their systems...wouldn't we get a taste of that during another hot issue between now and then...like for the redesigned American Eagle?
@RichR said:
And furthermore...if they actually DID improve their systems...wouldn't we get a taste of that during another hot issue between now and then...like for the redesigned American Eagle?
I stumbled on an Ebay seller that has sold 4500 of the redesigned proofs, 2 weeks before they are even available. Another 5 minute sellout coming down the pike.
FYI, the 2021 type 2 proof ASE is sold out.
@RichR said:
And furthermore...if they actually DID improve their systems...wouldn't we get a taste of that during another hot issue between now and then...like for the redesigned American Eagle?
I stumbled on an Ebay seller that has sold 4500 of the redesigned proofs, 2 weeks before they are even available. Another 5 minute sellout coming down the pike.
FYI, the 2021 type 2 proof ASE is sold out.
@RichR said:
And furthermore...if they actually DID improve their systems...wouldn't we get a taste of that during another hot issue between now and then...like for the redesigned American Eagle?
I stumbled on an Ebay seller that has sold 4500 of the redesigned proofs, 2 weeks before they are even available. Another 5 minute sellout coming down the pike.
FYI, the 2021 type 2 proof ASE is sold out.
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@JeffM said:
What makes some people successful in ordering from the Mint and others not? Is it their computers? Internet speed? Bots? Number of people they have buying for them?
If I want a coin that will likely be sold out, I use multiple computers each with two screens with at least 2 different browsers on each computer.
I never have a problem ordering from the mint. Here's a pic of me at my home computer system:
This made me laugh quite a lot. My setup isn't quite this elaborate but the sarcasm was not lost on me!!!!
A technological question.......Recently I have noticed that if I click on an embedded link such as the APMEX notice above, I must leave CU to open it instead of just opening a new window. Is this the new normal, or has my squirrel cage computer developed some sort of settings issue?
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@CaptHenway said:
A technological question.......Recently I have noticed that if I click on an embedded link such as the APMEX notice above, I must leave CU to open it instead of just opening a new window. Is this the new normal, or has my squirrel cage computer developed some sort of settings issue?
@CaptHenway said:
A technological question.......Recently I have noticed that if I click on an embedded link such as the APMEX notice above, I must leave CU to open it instead of just opening a new window. Is this the new normal, or has my squirrel cage computer developed some sort of settings issue?
Just right-click on the link and choose 'Open in a new window'.
@CaptHenway said:
A technological question.......Recently I have noticed that if I click on an embedded link such as the APMEX notice above, I must leave CU to open it instead of just opening a new window. Is this the new normal, or has my squirrel cage computer developed some sort of settings issue?
Just right-click on the link and choose 'Open in a new window'.
Tried that. Same thing happens. I thought it might be my browser.
@CaptHenway said:
A technological question.......Recently I have noticed that if I click on an embedded link such as the APMEX notice above, I must leave CU to open it instead of just opening a new window. Is this the new normal, or has my squirrel cage computer developed some sort of settings issue?
Just right-click on the link and choose 'Open in a new window'.
Tried that. Same thing happens. I thought it might be my browser.
Yes, you'll still be told that the new window will be leaving CU, but when you're done with the link you can just close it and you're back at the forum window.
@CaptHenway said:
A technological question.......Recently I have noticed that if I click on an embedded link such as the APMEX notice above, I must leave CU to open it instead of just opening a new window. Is this the new normal, or has my squirrel cage computer developed some sort of settings issue?
Just right-click on the link and choose 'Open in a new window'.
Tried that. Same thing happens. I thought it might be my browser.
Yes, you'll still be told that the new window will be leaving CU, but when you're done with the link you can just close it and you're back at the forum window.
That works. Thanks.
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Precious Metal Products 21XC MORGAN SILVER DOLLAR CC PRIVY MARK 173,957 6/13/2021
Precious Metal Products 21XD MORGAN SILVER DOLLAR O PRIVY MARK 173,871 6/13/2021
@92vette said:
Precious Metal Products 21XC MORGAN SILVER DOLLAR CC PRIVY MARK 173,957 6/13/2021
Precious Metal Products 21XD MORGAN SILVER DOLLAR O PRIVY MARK 173,871 6/13/2021
Has the mint ever explained why they found it necessary to sell these in the spring when they knew they wouldn’t deliver until the fall ? Why not wait until the fall.
@JimTyler said:
Has the mint ever explained why they found it necessary to sell these in the spring when they knew they wouldn’t deliver until the fall ? Why not wait until the fall.
Perhaps beginning in July, the Mint will have enough releases to keep them busy, and the May/June period was relatively calm.
Or, it could simply be that the Mint has not had enough controversy and criticism and desired more. If this is the case, they have been wildly successful.
Keep in mind, there was a "pre-order" window which closed on June 7th. From their website.
"Pre-ordering window starts May 24 at noon and closes on June 7 at 3pm ET or until inventory depleted"
It seems to me that these should have been made permanently unavailable on June 7th. And, maybe they were.
If the purpose of the pre-ordering window was to determine how many to strike, then it only makes sense to offer them in advance of striking. This is what they did.
[If the purpose of the pre-ordering window was to determine how many to strike, then it only makes sense to offer them in advance of striking. This is what they did.]
But let's just say that orders for 50,000 coins are now cancelled (very unlikely)...but let's just say...are cancelled before striking. Would they only then strike 125,000? Because wow...not that would really be a Morgan rarity!
In fact, if they don't strike all 175,000...and sell all of them...every cancellation is making "our" remaining coins even more "rare".
@MsMorrisine said:
i think they under estimated how many would be ordered and were doing a pre-strike pre-sale
I agree. That might mean that the flippers have actually increased the mintage of these and will make these more available down the road than they otherwise would be....for those patient enough to wait.
I don't think they underestimated anything. They're making just enough to create enough controversy and free pub to put more eyes on the next issues. This is an ongoing tactic. Otherwise they'd have no mintage limits and just either strike to demand or strike until XX date.
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My prediction for how the Mint is going to now compound this debacle...
Since they did cite the silver supply/planchet issue...which by all indications is an outright lie, since the Mint previously said that they had already secured the raw materials...I predict they will now:
DA DA...problem solved in the minds of the Mint. But for us...not so much!
And furthermore...if they actually DID improve their systems...wouldn't we get a taste of that during another hot issue between now and then...like for the redesigned American Eagle?
I stumbled on an Ebay seller that has sold 4500 of the redesigned proofs, 2 weeks before they are even available. Another 5 minute sellout coming down the pike.
FYI, the 2021 type 2 proof ASE is sold out.
Huh?
He means the enrollment.
There are no improvements the mint can make that will solve the problem of there being more buyers than coins to be bought.
Increase the mintage or mint to demand.
The mint can't fix that, they make as many as they're instructed to. If larger mintages are what you want, you need to call your congressman.
That is a completely different matter than website improvement which is what the poster was referring to.
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For this survey, please think about the most recent order that you received from the United States Mint. (Do not think about an order that you have placed but have not yet received.)
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"I'm not happy because I keep getting error messages when I try to order limited edition items. Please fix your website so that I am assured of being able to purchase whichever items I'm interested in. Thank you."
United States Mint Product Satisfaction Survey
"I'm not happy because I keep getting error messages when I try to order limited edition items. Please fix your website so that I am assured of being able to purchase whichever items I'm interested in. Thank you."
...we will now be deleting your Mint account...problem solved!
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It is interesting we havent heard any updates and with the big ASE type 2 release in just couple weeks. Think its going to be a freakin mess!!!
Just got a message from APMEX:
https://www.apmex.com/morgan-peace-silver-dollar?utm_source=Iterable&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=06142021-product231024-category90097-category91108-engaged&he=3F9B9C3E8A4F1B579C0C3E05C2562D2BF029E01244BC07FB9A3B36795E920F76
alerts of even the peace
https://www.apmex.com/category/90097/2021-morgan-and-peace-silver-dollars
This made me laugh quite a lot. My setup isn't quite this elaborate but the sarcasm was not lost on me!!!!
I would not take it as sarcasm
low hanging humor fruit
@Bullsitter I never thought I would ever say this… but a Peace Dollar in MS69 is disappointing. Crack that bad boy out and try for a 70! 😂
So does that mean they sold out or didnt actually have stock in the first place (everything on alert)?
Weren't the Mint gonna have a pre-sale of something this month?
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385 auctions using "2021 morgan" search term (same term used for previous reporting)
using restrictive searching -> 341
27 "new listing"
65 ending in under 10 days
I kind of want the Mint to cancel previous orders just to see what happens on ebay.
A technological question.......Recently I have noticed that if I click on an embedded link such as the APMEX notice above, I must leave CU to open it instead of just opening a new window. Is this the new normal, or has my squirrel cage computer developed some sort of settings issue?
Same thing happens to me
looks like the new normal
links once opened in a new tab.
Just right-click on the link and choose 'Open in a new window'.
Thanks very much for posting this. It’s the first I’ve seen from a vendor marketing these coins.
Tried that. Same thing happens. I thought it might be my browser.
Yes it looks like part of an update on this website, whenever you click on a link you are warned you are leaving this universe.
Yes, you'll still be told that the new window will be leaving CU, but when you're done with the link you can just close it and you're back at the forum window.
That works. Thanks.
Precious Metal Products 21XC MORGAN SILVER DOLLAR CC PRIVY MARK 173,957 6/13/2021
Precious Metal Products 21XD MORGAN SILVER DOLLAR O PRIVY MARK 173,871 6/13/2021
A few cancelations... and still 4 months to go.
Has the mint ever explained why they found it necessary to sell these in the spring when they knew they wouldn’t deliver until the fall ? Why not wait until the fall.
Perhaps beginning in July, the Mint will have enough releases to keep them busy, and the May/June period was relatively calm.
Or, it could simply be that the Mint has not had enough controversy and criticism and desired more. If this is the case, they have been wildly successful.
It’s like asking an ant why they have 6 legs.
[It’s like asking an ant why they have 6 legs.]
...or a cockroach!
But seriously...that is an excellent point...why sell these in May/June if you're not ready to ship until October/November?
And shouldn't production/staffing at the Mint be increasing as we emerge from lockdown?
I mean, c'mon...that is a ridiculous, and unnecessary, gap between ordering and delivery...even if that was stated at the beginning of this circus.
Keep in mind, there was a "pre-order" window which closed on June 7th. From their website.
"Pre-ordering window starts May 24 at noon and closes on June 7 at 3pm ET or until inventory depleted"
It seems to me that these should have been made permanently unavailable on June 7th. And, maybe they were.
If the purpose of the pre-ordering window was to determine how many to strike, then it only makes sense to offer them in advance of striking. This is what they did.
i think they under estimated how many would be ordered and were doing a pre-strike pre-sale
[If the purpose of the pre-ordering window was to determine how many to strike, then it only makes sense to offer them in advance of striking. This is what they did.]
But let's just say that orders for 50,000 coins are now cancelled (very unlikely)...but let's just say...are cancelled before striking. Would they only then strike 125,000? Because wow...not that would really be a Morgan rarity!
In fact, if they don't strike all 175,000...and sell all of them...every cancellation is making "our" remaining coins even more "rare".
I agree. That might mean that the flippers have actually increased the mintage of these and will make these more available down the road than they otherwise would be....for those patient enough to wait.
I don't think they underestimated anything. They're making just enough to create enough controversy and free pub to put more eyes on the next issues. This is an ongoing tactic. Otherwise they'd have no mintage limits and just either strike to demand or strike until XX date.
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313
10 “new listing”
49 ending in under 10 days
The American Eagle sale, slated for July 1st, will surely test the Mint's website. Lets hope they have made improvements by then.
283 auctions
15 “new listing”
44 ending in under 7 days