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It's been awhile, show us your 'You Suck'(s)
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I'm sure there are many new members (and old timers) who'd appreciate some of our past 'You Suck' recipients flaunting their coveted award-winning coins, with a short explanation, if nothing more than for the sake of nostalgia.
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Yes please...I have no idea what a You Suck award winning coin looks like!
You Suck! ... usually defined as a major Cherry Pick, multi-point Upgrade, or a raw coin to Gem submission
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For you newbies..A "you Suck" was graciously handed out by forum members when you scored a heck of a coin generally as a cherry pick, variety, Vam, etc. without the seller or dealer knowing. And it was especially of interest when the price you paid, and the coins value where rather extreme. So as an example seeing a proof Buffalo nickel in a MS holder and buying it at an MS price or in my case, buying an uncirculated 1936 DDO # 2 with a crappy eBay picture and only paying $9 for it...well you get the idea. Here is my winning post back in 2007.
https://forums.collectors.com/discussion/comment/6618827#Comment_6618827
And this was the coin still worth $1000 13 years later.
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Some Great Stuff! And it is kind of motivating!
Oh, and MrSpud with your $25 MONSTER 1921-D VAM-1N Retained Cud.....YOU SUCK!!!”
I got one back in 2006, copied and pasted above, only the picture isn’t there anymore. Until/unless I find it, I just now got back from the post office store where I picked up a coin I just cherry picked off of eBay. See picture below of the one I just picked up today. It’s another 21-D Vam, not as desirable as the 1N I got the “you suck” for, but I think it’s cool. It’s either 1i1 or 1i2, I’m not sure yet.
Mr_Spud
It's been awhile, as I recall Marty or Russ would score a raw SMS Kennedy (or unattributed AH 64 Kennedy) and it would grade out MS67DCAM or whatnot. Always a fun read followed by fantastic photos, before and after.
A single couple of neat finds for me was a 71-D Ike that had the most beautiful pastel pink and sky blue smooth toning. I walked it through NGC at Long Beach and it received a MS67 grade. It is also a coin (among others!) I wish I had never sold.
My story of having a $50. ANACS graded "Cheerios Dollar" (on the ANACS insert) before anyone knew they reverse was totally different and unusual was fun. Walking it through NGC and speaking with Mr. Lang at the time. He spent months with the U.S. Mint determining the story behind the coin and then grading it for me as a Discovery Coin Pattern was neat. That was back in the day when NGC offered full color folders describing attributes of the coin. It was a neat presentation when it arrived to me from them.
I also purchased what a local dealer thought was a counterfeit 1795 dollar in AU that actually turned out to be authentic and graded as AU50. I purchased it at 3X's silver as I thought it just looked too cool to not own and was pleasantly taken aback when it was determined to be real.
peacockcoins
This isn't mine but just popped up on a FB group I'm on. Guy found these in his father's home after he passed. His day went from crappy to Steak and Lobster tonight!!
I think people stopped sharing some of their scores because a few people on the boards started giving them a hard time about it acting like cherry picking is ripping people off. When I first came to the boards there were way more people sharing fun stories of getting great deals. I really enjoyed the cherry picking stories and was really bummed out when a few people said they were done sharing because it wasn't worth the negative feedback.
For example - if you see a rare R5 coin unattributed in a dealers inventory selling for melt value would you tell them? Should you tell them?
What about if it is someone who is not a dealer but selling something on eBay? How about a co-worker? Or a little old Grandma? Where do you draw the line? Some people said a dealer should know better but what about someone selling on eBay, are they now considered a dealer in a way?
These types of things always ended up in very heated discussions and then some people just said sharing just isn't worth it. And that is when the "you suck" became less popular in my opinion.
I did exactly that to the person who took photos of the coins I posted. They had no idea what they were and was about to head to a pawn shop. I saved them from losing thousands.
I have a couple to share. I also recall a "You Suck Hall of Fame" that a few of us got into, but that has seemed to have faded away.
One was for this nickel, cherried from a raw proof set in OGP - paid no premium.
Another for finding multiple DDR's in unopened proof sets, purchased for no premium. $15 or so IIRC.
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Growing up I used to read "coins" magazine and always loved reading the "coin finds section" where people would write in telling about the "scores" they had. Sometimes it was finding an indian cent or a mercury dime in change. Either way it definitely inspired me to search and have fun
Is a 'You Suck'(s)" the same as dreck or a widget? AKA any non-cacs not brokered by the legends??
The whole worlds off its rocker, buy Gold™.
Back in the late 80's I ran a business and one day opened a roll of dimes I got from the bank into my register.
The entire roll was Mercs and included this coin. I really tried to call the bank and see if they had any records of who
might have brought in the roll....it might have been a customer, but they had no records.
So I got this coin at face, 10 cents.
Is a 'You Suck'(s)" the same as dreck or a widget? AKA any non-cacs not brokered by the legends??.
No, Legend had no part in You Suck awards. They did originate Dreck and Widget which were definitions if you would, of a coin from their perspective that had issues despite the assigned grade or was a common date example. From what I can recall, for them just about every coin they bought and sold that was valued at less than $100,000 fell in the Dreck or Widget class.
WS
Found in a roll of new nickels. A 2016 nickel truck over a 2015 nickel.
Never got one.
One of my best ones was a 83-0 morgan raw toner for like 40 bucks i thought it was maybe a 64 tops on a good day. Later sent it to our host and came back a 66!! Later sold it for 350 or 400 buck's!!
Please explain!
Collector, occasional seller
@ChrisH821 Id rather keep everyone in suspense. My client who bought may not use the internet. However his family members do.
One of my favorites:
1862 Rupee I picked raw out of a huge collection about 5 years ago. I paid $25 for it.
Came back from ATS as a 65, population 4/0.
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No formal "You suck" award, but I've had a few successes. Three come to mind
1972-S Ike Dollar picked up at a coin show for $11 in a 2x2, I thought it looked really nice so sent for grading. Came back 68+
28-s peace Dollar in an old accugrade MS65 holder off of ebay, somehow the bid only got to $100 and I won, that one graded 64 at PCGS.
Most recent(probably 2 years ago) I bought a 1913 type 2 buffalo nickel on ebay because it had a nice strike, SEGS MS65 holder. I cracked it out and took forever to finally send it in, it graded PR64.
I used the funds from selling the above to buy other coins
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Got this one raw off ebay for 12 bucks. It's now in a PCGS PR66 slab.
Like ChrisH821 above, I got this one in a SEGS MS65 slab for $100. It is now graded PCGS PR65.
I never got a "you suck" award. But I always hoped they would go away.
It is such a nerdy, hackneyed thing to say -- something from the 1980's -- always said by someone attempting to be cool and funny but who had no chance.
I cringe when I hear it.
OTOH I don't begrudge those given this "award". Kudos are deserved, I'm sure. I just wish we could have something less geeky and awkward.
Lance.
That 1961 DDR 50c was quite a cherrypick. I've been trying to cherry one for over 30 years with no luck.
Too many to count. This was my best one and I’ll likely never duplicate it.
https://www.pcgs.com/cert/83806396
Always nice to get a good deal. That being said, I agree with Lance that the appellation could be changed. While I never received the accolade here, Russ once said it to me when I picked an AH set from a table at a coin show just ahead of him.... Cheers, RickO
First of two DDRs I've plucked off Ebay over the past 5 years. Both were in OGP and came at a net cost of about $15 each. Oh, and it's a top pop 67 (there is one 67+ though...)
mbogoman
https://pcgs.com/setregistry/collectors-showcase/classic-issues-colonials-through-1964/zambezi-collection-trade-dollars/7345Asesabi Lutho
I bought this coin in Germany for about 100 euro. It became the first gem graded 1R worth $3-4K.
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Well wouldn't it be interesting if our host would take the opportunity to generate some sort of annual award to forum participants who "locate" such "scores" and maybe promote the fact they end up in one of their holders?, in a registry set (as in to promote the registry?), or point out the education/sources/diagnostics required to find said specimens?
Or has it not and never will happen because it: shows the company makes a few mistakes?, or that the dealers they support get messed over from time to time (notice that we are sophisticated enough to not embarrass the dealers) or that some of the coins get graded across the street. Despite the fact this is a heck of a lot more fun than screwing around with geeky "gaming" competition.....Just saying.
WS
Cool thread idea. Bought a few 1960-P rolls a few years back and spent some time looking through them recently. Found the coin pictured below and had it graded recently (came back MS65 FS). The full cost of the coin is $53 after considering grading/shipping and the price guide has it at $3500 right now. It is now the 11th known with only 4 better. Just like everyone else, I have lost some money on bad submissions - but this one definitely makes up for some of those!
Have never heard of this error before, but it is very pronounced! Very surprised that you were able to find this raw. Congrats!
I also found a 1961 ddr half in an OGP proof set. In 2011. Fun times.
I know it ain't high dollar but I think it counted for a small You Suck award. Bought this at a pawn shop and had a $14.99 sticker on it.
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Nobody is going to beat SUMORADA's score.
that is pretty amazing! 11k of those bad boy mel.
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Acquired this junky note essentially for free, as part of a large lot of Confederate currency and broken bank notes from an estate around 16 years ago. Decided to do more diligent research on it last year, which led me to a Canadian currency expert at Stacks/Bowers.
I met up with him at FUN in January, and agreed to consign the note to their August auction. They took care of conservation and certification. Here’s the auction description, and the final hammer price exceeded the upper estimate:
This may not fit the definition of a “You Suck”, but maybe it does:
There was a nice 1858 Flying Eagle cent Large Letters graded MS66 with a CAC on auction. This is a common date, but not common in this grade, especially with a CAC. I spoke with an honest, unbiased employee of that firm, and asked them to look at the coin in hand. I was then told that this was the nicest F.E. cent this person has seen in a real long time. With that in mind, I stretched, and was the high bidder at $11,400 with the b.p. The coin arrived, and indeed it was lovely. I then sent it to Rick Snow to see if it merited his Eagle Eye Photo Seal (many F.E. cents with CAC’s don’t). Sure enough, this one did. With it back in hand, I then figured it might be worthwhile to send it back to PCGS for Reconsideration. After all, when PCGS first graded it, it did not have a CAC or Photo Seal, and now it was decorated with both. Apparently, PCGS agreed, and added on a “+”. With the new holder at 66+, and the SAME cert number, I then sent it back to CAC, who then automatically reapplied their sticker for $3, and then back to Rick, who automatically reapplied the Photo Seal for free, since neither organization recognizes “+”s.
Oh, by the way, as a 66+ the PCGS Price Guide value is at $26,500, and in theory that includes coins in that grade that may not have a CAC or Photo Seal.
https://caimages.collectors.com/coinimages/42396/35924108/58_ll_m66_p083[1]_original.jpg?v=1603067776632
https://caimages.collectors.com/coinimages/42396/35924108/58_ll_m66p082[1]_original.jpg?v=1603067776632
My collecting “Pride & Joy” is my PCGS Registry Dansco 7070 Set:
https://www.pcgs.com/setregistry/type-sets/design-type-sets/complete-dansco-7070-modified-type-set-1796-date/publishedset/213996
Plucked this one out of a bulk lot that I bought on vacation 10 years ago. Paid either 10 or 15 cents. Got a G4 from PCGS. Sold for approx $750 on ebay IIRC.
I can't remember if I was officially awarded one for this, but in 2007 when the Presibux first came out, I sent some for "First Day" labels. When I got them back, there were 3 that had missing edge lettering, two of which I sold for Obscene Profit™ and bought a DSLR setup. A related score that wasn't mine that definitely got a You Suck™ was someone who scored an entire box of MEL Washingtons from a bank, and this was when they were going for hundreds each.
Keep in mind, however, that you can't award one to yourself, nor can you suggest or request that it be awarded, otherwise you become ineligible to receive one for that score.
The saying has become popular on VAMWorld, too, and while some people give it out freely, I tend to be quite stingy with it. It has to be special, after all.
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NICE!
that ObsProfTm is classic.
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someone here posted the person and i think linked that thread. i went over and did page searches on a few of that threads pages and found the poster, with images! pretty sick.
if they sold 10k of them for $100 each, that is $1mm @!@!@!@!
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Since nobody else is awarding platitudes, I nominate @winesteven for an official "you suck" and @JBK and @FS_Jeff for the coveted "you know your stuff" award.
Good job all!
I don't recall if I actually received an official "you suck" for this, but I think it qualifies.
Original "Broken Sword" 7.5-inch bronze model for the reverse of the Pease Dollar sculpted by Anthony DeFrancisci and cast for James Earle Fraser and the US Mint (found on the internet, for sale at auction in 2017, $4,200 total cost):
I cherrypick stuff all the time but never to the level where I got an official You Suck™ award here. Not many homeruns for me, but lots of singles and the occasional ringing double.
Sean Reynolds
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1941 Mercury Dime DDO FS-101
I Cherrypicked it raw from a dealer at a Winter FUN. It was attractively toned so I had to pay up for it, $50. Lol
I had it graded at PCGS as MS-65.
I later auctioned it off where it sold for just shy of $1800. It is still the stand alone Top Pop 6 years later.
Looking for Top Pop Mercury Dime Varieties & High Grade Mercury Dime Toners.
At a local auction in Maryland there was a bunch of commemorative German coins I got. All of them I got for a few dollars under melt. The great part was for 5$ I got a East German silver Martin Luther 20 mark that I later sold for 145. (Keep in mind I was 15 at the time).
This has an interesting numismatic connection, and I just found out about it today. In the space memorabilia field, there is a valuation scale dependent on where the item in question flew to. At the lowest end are suborbitally flown items, then Earth orbit, then lunar orbit, then lunar surface and, finally, used on the lunar surface.
Twelve years ago this month I bought some Apollo 12 lunar orbit flown toasted bread cubes. Today, Heritage Auctions put up a lot for their upcoming November space auction. The lot for sale is an Apollo 12 flown butterscotch pudding, that was only certified as flown to lunar orbit by Alan Bean. However, it turns out that this was 1 of 5 food items that was put in a display for Aristotle Onassis in 1969 - 1970. The paperwork for that display clearly shows the 5 items were lunar module flown, e.g. they went to the Moon's surface. Before that display could be given to Onassis, the Nixon Administration was having issues with him and Greece, and told the Apollo 12 crew to NOT give the display to Onassis.
X years later Alan Bean started selling off the 5 food items in the display as individual items. In 2008 I bought the toasted bread cubes as lunar orbit flown, having no idea that it had been part of a group in a display. It now turns out that the cubes were most likely lunar surface flown, and their current auction value today has now AT LEAST doubled from what their current auction value would have been yesterday.
The numismatic tie-in? The butterscotch pudding was owned by Jim Ruddy of Bowers and Ruddy. He was the person who did the research on the flown food items and found out about the Onassis tie-in. He became an avid space artifact collector once coins started getting slabbed, as he thought coins had lost their connection to the collector by their being "entombed". He and I had many interesting discussions in the last several years of his life, as it was an interesting convergence of collectors of both space and numismatic items (although he had few numismatic items by that point in time). Interestingly enough, he never mentioned anything about the butterscotch pudding, and I never mentioned anything about the bread cubes, so we never knew that specific connection between our collections.
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