End of World War II 75th Anniversary American Eagle Silver Proof (20XF) & Gold Proof Coin (20XE)

Mgarmy · September 18, 2020 6:45AM

Wow for a minute I thought you weee talking about the WW2 ASE which is still listed as. Item Number: 20XF
Mintage Limit: 75,000
Product Limit: 75,000
Household Order Limit: 1

Kliao · September 18, 2020 7:01AM

@Mgarmy said:
Wow for a minute I thought you weee talking about the WW2 ASE which is still listed as. Item Number: 20XF
Mintage Limit: 75,000
Product Limit: 75,000
Household Order Limit: 1

Oops sorry. The medal not the ASE

OPA · September 18, 2020 7:10AM

I'll settle for the silver medal if I can't grab one of the 11/5 issued ones.

ECHOES · September 18, 2020 8:04AM

@OPA said:
I'll settle for the silver medal if I can't grab one of the 11/5 issued ones.

I'm in for the Silver...

MorganMan94 · September 18, 2020 8:54AM

Can't wait to start seeing dealer buy prices in the next few weeks for all four.

PerryHall · September 18, 2020 8:58AM

@MorganMan94 said:
Can't wait to start seeing dealer buy prices in the next few weeks for all four.

I'm sure there will be numerous threads started discussing this topic.

MorganMan94 · October 15, 2020 10:32AM

Just saw my first bid posted for these, +800

MorganMan94 · October 26, 2020 9:35AM

This year doesn't seem to have the enthusiasm of prior years...

ɹoʇɔǝlloɔ · October 26, 2020 10:04AM

@Raufus said:

@Kliao said:

@Raufus said:
It will be entertaining to see what the dealers will be offering to those who commit to try to buy coins for them.

I think the offers will come for the gold. Not as much for the silver.

Agreed.

What do u guys guess the gold will bring on feebay right after sell out? I coukd see $6k easy

def this a near-double is totally w/in the realm of possibility, but the pf70's are gonna be bonkers - maybe 15k wouldn't be a surprise for one of those

Kliao · October 26, 2020 10:07AM

@MorganMan94 said:
This year doesn't seem to have the enthusiasm of prior years...

I think it’ll pickup within the week of release and the days (or months) after.

bestday · October 27, 2020 8:25AM

When will price be announced for American gold 1oz 75th Anniv Eagle?

Kliao · October 27, 2020 8:52AM

@bestday said:
When will price be announced for American gold 1oz 75th Anniv Eagle?

I would think the day before or day of release.

With the current gold price between 1,900-1950 the price of the gold will be $2,600

jclovescoins · October 27, 2020 9:01AM

considering the very low mintage of this one and historical significance, the gold should sell for $10,000+ on the after market for those lucky enough to get one. I'm definitely trying. No use trying for more than one. SHould sell out in seconds.

3stars · October 27, 2020 9:42AM

The gold will be interesting - probably 5000 people putting it in their cart in the first second, then racing to the checkout.

cagcrisp · October 27, 2020 10:47AM

@bestday said:
When will price be announced for American gold 1oz 75th Anniv Eagle?

November 4, 2020 at approximately 2PM ET...

santinidollar · October 27, 2020 5:48PM

@MorganMan94 said:
This year doesn't seem to have the enthusiasm of prior years...

Not much of a way to observe the end of the Second World War: Mint some more gold and silver eagles and put a glorified dent on them.

privatecoin · October 28, 2020 8:50AM

@santinidollar said:

@MorganMan94 said:
This year doesn't seem to have the enthusiasm of prior years...

Not much of a way to observe the end of the Second World War: Mint some more gold and silver eagles and put a glorified dent on them.

Yep. That pretty well sums it up. But we all know the flippers will be going ape crazy on it.

MetroD · October 28, 2020 9:55AM

@santinidollar said:

Not much of a way to observe the end of the Second World War: Mint some more gold and silver eagles and put a glorified dent on them.

On 11/9/20, the mint is also releasing two more products that commemorate the end of WWII.

1) gold coin (20XG)
Link: https://catalog.usmint.gov/end-of-world-war-ii-75th-anniversary-24-karat-gold-coin-20XG.html?cgid=2020-product-schedule
2) silver medal (20XH)
Link: https://catalog.usmint.gov/end-of-world-war-ii-75th-anniversary-silver-medal-20XH.html?cgid=2020-product-schedule

tincup · October 28, 2020 10:59AM

And can't wait to see the new inflated prices....

MetroD · October 28, 2020 12:19PM

@tincup said:
And can't wait to see the new inflated prices....

As I type, spot gold is ~ $1,887 per oz.
Assuming that this is the "average price per ounce", the 1/2 oz. gold coin (20XG) would cost $1,310.

$ Premium (vs. spot): $1,310 - (.5)($1,887) = $366.50
% Increase (vs. spot): [($1,310-(.5)($1,887))/((.5)($1,887))]*100% = 38.84%

Reference: column = "End of World War II 75th Anniversary 24K Gold Coin" @ https://catalog.usmint.gov/on/demandware.static/-/Sites-usm-site-catalog-us/default/dwb6488dac/images/PDFs/2020-Pricing-Grid-v3.pdf

bsshog40 · October 28, 2020 5:51PM

I wouldn't mind ending my Dansco with one of the silvers. But the sales are always during work hours and I work for a living. So unless they are still available after 5pm (LMAO), I'm out.

GRANDAM · October 28, 2020 6:37PM

Who is buying?????? Not from the mint but from the lucky lottery winners?

Kliao · October 28, 2020 7:00PM

The mint finally posted the inflated price of the silver eagle at $83 and the medal at $75

shorecoll · October 29, 2020 7:20AM

What's the over/under on the sellout...1 min gold/10 min silver?

ɹoʇɔǝlloɔ · October 29, 2020 7:25AM

@shorecoll said:
What's the over/under on the sellout...1 min gold/10 min silver?

I'm guessing 20 seconds on gold, silver maybe a couple hrs to a couple days, or even longer; don't see the silver selling out immediately, esp w the crush to the mint servers from the gold rush

Kliao · October 29, 2020 7:43AM

@shorecoll said:
What's the over/under on the sellout...1 min gold/10 min silver?

Probably. Unless the site crashes then it’ll take longer.

Batman23 · October 29, 2020 9:54AM

What are the thoughts on this Medal and Coin. Silver is just a medal but gold is listed as a coin with $25 value. Will that make any difference or will it just be bullion like many of the other non-series type gold "coins"?

@MetroD said:

On 11/9/20, the mint is also releasing two more products that commemorate the end of WWII.

1) gold coin (20XG)
Link: https://catalog.usmint.gov/end-of-world-war-ii-75th-anniversary-24-karat-gold-coin-20XG.html?cgid=2020-product-schedule
2) silver medal (20XH)
Link: https://catalog.usmint.gov/end-of-world-war-ii-75th-anniversary-silver-medal-20XH.html?cgid=2020-product-schedule

SenateSaloon · October 29, 2020 10:14AM

@Batman23 said:
What are the thoughts on this Medal and Coin. Silver is just a medal but gold is listed as a coin with $25 value. Will that make any difference or will it just be bullion like many of the other non-series type gold "coins"?

My two cents: the gold coin has a mintage limit of 7500. In terms of supply, a number of gold commemoratives never sold 7500 in the last ten years. So there is likely to be ample supply for everyone who wants one. So whether value goes up will really depend on demand. I don’t have a good sense of that, but in my opinion demand will only be normal. In short, probably not a coin to flip and who knows in the long term.

Batman23 · October 29, 2020 10:15AM

Obviously the gold 20XE is the prize here. With the silver at 75,000 do you see much demand? I will pick one up for the pile but I think I will try gold first and then hit the silver. Looks like the current thought is that we have minutes to grab a silver one. I would just hate to miss both. I remember the frustration of trying and not getting the 30,000 mintage dollar last year and that one went very quick!

What do you think is the magic number for supply vs. demand? 30k is a bloodbath. 75k has interest. 150k has plenty for everyone at any time?
Yet I see that this month out came the 20EM proof eagle with 200k mintage and no HH limit and it is currently unavailable?

Batman23 · October 29, 2020 10:19AM

@SenateSaloon said:

@Batman23 said:
What are the thoughts on this Medal and Coin. Silver is just a medal but gold is listed as a coin with $25 value. Will that make any difference or will it just be bullion like many of the other non-series type gold "coins"?

My two cents: the gold coin has a mintage limit of 7500. In terms of supply, a number of gold commemoratives never sold 7500 in the last ten years. So there is likely to be ample supply for everyone who wants one. So whether value goes up will really depend on demand. I don’t have a good sense of that, but in my opinion demand will only be normal. In short, probably not a coin to flip and who knows in the long term.

Pretty much in line with what I was thinking.

philographer · October 29, 2020 6:44PM

Looks like these are already on pre-sale on eBay, with quite a healthy mark-up:

And a few sold listings:

The tools I usually use to find actual best offer sold price don't seem to be working. But this is what I see for now.

Mgarmy · October 29, 2020 8:13PM

The silver ones are on there for near a grand

coiner · October 29, 2020 8:24PM

Silvers with 75k available will be a 150 dollar coin

coiner · October 29, 2020 8:26PM

The flip artists may think the gold will be a 10k coin; or even crazy thoughts of 15k—I suspect they will settle in the 5k range
Not enough people interested at > 5000 dollars
Sorry guys it’s a pipe dream

coiner · October 29, 2020 8:27PM

This isn’t 2006 my friends—-the money just isn’t out there ....like it was then

ɹoʇɔǝlloɔ · October 29, 2020 8:51PM

you know where there's a ton of money? the future!

i've never understood the quick flip, but you can't argue that this will be a valuable one to hold onto and pass down

amazing to me in a forum of people largely discussing coins over a hundred yrs old that the naysayers saying it's not one to pick up 😂

coiner · October 29, 2020 10:39PM

Not saying not to pick it up —-but those with rose colored glasses calling for 10K-15k prices on sellout will be unhappy to find that they won’t be able to sell anywhere near those prices.
I can see a short term bump on raw coins to 5-7k MAYBE......

coiner · October 29, 2020 10:40PM

The market gets thinner and thinner as the prices eclipse 5k and even more so as 10k is eclipsed

grote15 · October 29, 2020 10:54PM

I think 8K+ is a virtual slam dunk on the secondary market. I can certainly see 10K with a mintage as low as 1,945 pieces.

Pedzola · October 30, 2020 4:41AM

Initial prices will be driven by flippers flipping to each other. Once the music stops, bag holders will have to drop prices if they don't want to be stuck with these. 5k seems high to me. Do people really collect gold eagles as a series vs bullion?

WQuarterFreddie · October 30, 2020 4:52AM

Well we have 2 forum members on BST already offering +$150 over cost for the Silver and $1500-$2000 over cost for the Gold version so these 2 think they will be valuable!🤣😂

7Jaguars · October 30, 2020 5:04AM

I am still wondering just who the end buyers at 15k will be? Except for the contrived rarity, this has near zero going for it. That said, it is still a bit of a lottery win if you get one. How many even think of the 2019 ERCP Eagle?

ɹoʇɔǝlloɔ · October 30, 2020 6:20AM

I dunno yall - the worlds a big place and there are rising monster millionaire-making economies [china] where there are tons of people who like collecting rare, foreign coins - not hard for me to see how this could command considerably more than 5k, and well over 8, 9 or 10 for top pop

Mgarmy · October 30, 2020 8:01AM

The ERP in 2019 was selling for stupid money and in 70 is still over 2g and in 69 1g. So still I very high premium

batumi · October 30, 2020 9:14AM

@coiner said:
The market gets thinner and thinner as the prices eclipse 5k and even more so as 10k is eclipsed

I agree with your statement. For> @Pedzola said:

Initial prices will be driven by flippers flipping to each other. Once the music stops, bag holders will have to drop prices if they don't want to be stuck with these. 5k seems high to me. Do people really collect gold eagles as a series vs bullion?

I do, though primarily as a way to stack bullion obtaining as many different dates while paying little or nothing over bullion prices. I believe your 5K figure is pretty much correct. I doubt I would go quite that high, though myself. I believe more people collect the fractionals, though. Five or six different one ounce versions-including Buffs is a pretty good bite every year of collecting funds!

Goldminers · October 30, 2020 9:21AM

@Pedzola said:
Initial prices will be driven by flippers flipping to each other. Once the music stops, bag holders will have to drop prices if they don't want to be stuck with these. 5k seems high to me. Do people really collect gold eagles as a series vs bullion?

I tend to agree this V75 is over hyped for a major +300% profit flip for all 1,945 sold. A few die-hard collectors I know will probably pay 5-6k for a graded PR70, but not many will do that for raw or mint sealed. It is just too much money with gold under $1,900 and with the virus and election creating major economic uncertainty.

There are only about 25 people listed in the Registry that have more than half of the $50 gold eagle proofs. Veteran and military memorabilia collectors will add to that number for sure, but not very many addicted gold eagle registry types ever try to collect them all. These are not Nike sneakers, pogs, beanie babies, or Pokémon's, that are cheap to start, and usually all of these things tend to drop in value over time. The 2020 palladium also had a lot of flip hype.

MilesWaits · October 30, 2020 9:32AM

Astronomers and historians will look back on the nanosecond sell out of this issue and admire the tenacity of a few proud forum members that are able to score.
That aren’t Bots.

3stars · October 30, 2020 10:35AM

It's cute that people aren't even offering 2x on the gold - talk about trying to win the lottery twice.

JimTyler · October 30, 2020 11:19AM

You guys talk like you have a chance. Big boys with their bots have this whole thing tied up with a nice pretty bow. Your computer will freeze and by the time you figure out what the hell to do they’re gone.

Goldminers · October 30, 2020 11:28AM

So in 2028, will we get a V75 gold eagle (with new reverse) and a new rare 1,953 mintage Korean War coin? Seems like a good idea.

But I think in 2021 Congress will approve something, or the Mint will devise some new instant rarity scheme to outdo even this one.

I am thinking only 1,921 minted for the 100th Anniversary of the Peace dollar for example, with and without 100 yr privy on them.

End of World War II 75th Anniversary American Eagle Silver Proof (20XF) & Gold Proof Coin (20XE)

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