The request for Gronk was the only 1 I submitted and the only 1 I voted yes on because it is the only one I have seen discussed here. I can see the argument for Smith, the last one I cant recall.
Gronk is an easy yes! Steve Smith is a fringe guy. Hard no on Mangold. Jeff Saturday and Tom Nalen are way more deserving! I am glad that they are sending these requests more frequently. There are still a few other modern guys I’d like to see added including the 2 I mentioned above.
Frank “Bucko” Kilroy, Scout/General Manager/Executive – 1960-61 Philadelphia Eagles, 1962-64 Washington Redskins, 1965-1970 Dallas Cowboys, 1971-2006 New England Patriots
Art McNally, Official/Administrator – 1959-2015 National Football League
Art Modell, Owner – 1961-1995 Cleveland Browns, 1996-2011 Baltimore Ravens
Steve Sabol, Administrator/President – 1964-2012 NFL Films
Seymour Siwoff, Owner/President – 1952-2019 Elias Sports Bureau
Paul Tagliabue, Commissioner – 1989-2006 National Football League
George Young, Contributor/General Manager – 1968-1974 Baltimore Colts, 1975-78 Miami Dolphins, 1979-1997 New York Giants, 1998-2001 National Football League
SENIORS (20 finalists) — A player who last played more than 25 seasons ago
Cliff Branch, WR – 1972-1985 Oakland/Los Angeles Raiders
Harold Carmichael, WR – 1971-1983 Philadelphia Eagles, 1984 Dallas Cowboys
Jim Covert, T – 1983-1990 Chicago Bears
Roger Craig, RB – 1983-1990 San Francisco 49ers, 1991 Los Angeles Raiders, 1992-93 Minnesota Vikings
Bobby Dillon, S – 1952-59 Green Bay Packers
LaVern Dilweg, E – 1926 Milwaukee Badgers, 1927-1934 Green Bay Packers
Winston Hill, T – 1963-1976 New York Jets, 1977 Los Angeles Rams
Cecil Isbell, TB/DB/HB – 1938-1942 Green Bay Packers
Alex Karras, DT – 1958-1962, 1964-1970 Detroit Lions
Verne Lewellen, HB – 1924-27, 1928-1932 Green Bay Packers, 1927 New York Yankees
Tommy Nobis, LB – 1966-1976 Atlanta Falcons
Drew Pearson, WR – 1973-1983 Dallas Cowboys
Donnie Shell, S – 1974-1987 Pittsburgh Steelers
Duke Slater, T – 1922 Milwaukee Badgers, 1922-25 Rock Island Independents, 1926-1931 Chicago Cardinals
Mac Speedie, E – 1946-1952 Cleveland Browns [AAFC/NFL]
Ed Sprinkle, DE/LB/E – 1944-1955 Chicago Bears
Al Wistert, OT/DT/G – 1943 Phil-Pitt, 1944-1951 Philadelphia Eagles
I'm here to question, not to inspire or build up. To live how I want, as I see fit, according to my values and my needs. Nothing holds dominion over me, I stand alone as the ruler of my life.
My guesses for 3 coaches and 2 contributors will remain the same as before. For my 10 players-
Craig
Dilweg
Branch
Pearson
Slater
Wistert
Karras
Gradishar
Nobis
Shell
I'm here to question, not to inspire or build up. To live how I want, as I see fit, according to my values and my needs. Nothing holds dominion over me, I stand alone as the ruler of my life.
"My father would womanize, he would drink. He would make outrageous claims like he invented the question mark. Sometimes he would accuse chestnuts of being lazy. The sort of general malaise that only the genius possess and the insane lament. Our childhood was typical. Summers in Rangoon, luge lessons. In the spring we'd make meat helmets. When we were insolent we were placed in a burlap bag and beaten with reeds - pretty standard really."
Stunned by Anderson’s omission. Also surprised Andy Russell’s not there, given all the buzz about him in the past couple years. But maybe that’s because their senior committee backers aren’t part of the blue-ribbon panel?
I like JasP24’s list, with someone dropping off to make way for Harris.
So many questions......Jimbo Covert and Winston Hill but no Joe Jacoby. Bobby Dillon but no Ed Meador or Jim Patton. Drew Pearson and Harold Carmichael but no Harold Jackson, Billy Wilson, or Billy Howton. Ed Sprinkle? Chuck Howley and Lee Roy Jordan passed over again----is there really that much difference between them and Nobis? We all know about Dilweg, Slater, and Wistert, but how many of us projected "Ox" Emerson and Verne Lewellen? What happened to Big Daddy, Tom Sestak and Ken Anderson? Seymour Siwoff----so when do trainers, water boys and cheerleaders become eligible. Ok, let the comments fly!
@JasP24 said:
My guesses for 3 coaches and 2 contributors will remain the same as before. For my 10 players-
Craig
Dilweg
Branch
Pearson
Slater
Wistert
Karras
Gradishar
Nobis
Shell
Which players do you think have the longest odds of making it? I’m thinking Carmichael, for one. It’s very surprising to see three 1970s WRs on the list. Branch and Pearson would both seem to be ahead of Carmichael, and there’s no way all 3 get in.
"My father would womanize, he would drink. He would make outrageous claims like he invented the question mark. Sometimes he would accuse chestnuts of being lazy. The sort of general malaise that only the genius possess and the insane lament. Our childhood was typical. Summers in Rangoon, luge lessons. In the spring we'd make meat helmets. When we were insolent we were placed in a burlap bag and beaten with reeds - pretty standard really."
@JasP24 said:
My guesses for 3 coaches and 2 contributors will remain the same as before. For my 10 players-
Craig
Dilweg
Branch
Pearson
Slater
Wistert
Karras
Gradishar
Nobis
Shell
Which players do you think have the longest odds of making it? I’m thinking Carmichael, for one. It’s very surprising to see three 1970s WRs on the list. Branch and Pearson would both seem to be ahead of Carmichael, and there’s no way all 3 get in.
i am wondering if they will focus more on the old timers for this class, probably for the last time. the guys from the 70's and 80's still have voters from the main committee that know how they played in person. the old guys not so much. you really need people that truly know the history of the NFL and appreciate what those players did back in the day of two way play.
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@Doc1962 said:
Question for you gentlemen: I’m assuming that if Bobby Dillon were to be selected, his card would be the 1952 Bowman, correct?
Correct.
"My father would womanize, he would drink. He would make outrageous claims like he invented the question mark. Sometimes he would accuse chestnuts of being lazy. The sort of general malaise that only the genius possess and the insane lament. Our childhood was typical. Summers in Rangoon, luge lessons. In the spring we'd make meat helmets. When we were insolent we were placed in a burlap bag and beaten with reeds - pretty standard really."
@Doc1962 said:
Is it correct that there are no rookie cards for these players:
Dilweg
Emerson
Lewellen
Slater
Isbell
Thx
Correct.
"My father would womanize, he would drink. He would make outrageous claims like he invented the question mark. Sometimes he would accuse chestnuts of being lazy. The sort of general malaise that only the genius possess and the insane lament. Our childhood was typical. Summers in Rangoon, luge lessons. In the spring we'd make meat helmets. When we were insolent we were placed in a burlap bag and beaten with reeds - pretty standard really."
Geno Atkins is now a 8 time Pro Bowler and 2 time All Pro with 75.5 sacks. Every defense tackle with 8 Pro Bowls is in the HOF. He has been one of the top 3 technique defensive tackles during his career but had the misfortune of playing most of it at the same time as Donald.
Super Bowl XXVIII: Buffalo Bills vs Dallas Cowboys - Running back Emmitt Smith rushed for 132 yards and 2 touchdowns earning Super Bowl MVP honors as the Cowboys defeated the Bills 30-13 to win their second consecutive NFL title.
@jmdvm7 said:
So many questions......Jimbo Covert and Winston Hill but no Joe Jacoby. Bobby Dillon but no Ed Meador or Jim Patton. Drew Pearson and Harold Carmichael but no Harold Jackson, Billy Wilson, or Billy Howton. Ed Sprinkle? Chuck Howley and Lee Roy Jordan passed over again----is there really that much difference between them and Nobis? We all know about Dilweg, Slater, and Wistert, but how many of us projected "Ox" Emerson and Verne Lewellen? What happened to Big Daddy, Tom Sestak and Ken Anderson? Seymour Siwoff----so when do trainers, water boys and cheerleaders become eligible. Ok, let the comments fly!
I am afraid Howley will never get in after missing the cut.
Super Bowl XXVIII: Buffalo Bills vs Dallas Cowboys - Running back Emmitt Smith rushed for 132 yards and 2 touchdowns earning Super Bowl MVP honors as the Cowboys defeated the Bills 30-13 to win their second consecutive NFL title.
That's the question I said out loud when I was at a signing for Stan Jones in the early '90s. I saw an 8x10 of Sprinkle on a table and didn't know who he was, Well a couple of old-timers in line behind me educated me. What I remember is them telling me besides being a defensive standout, he was one of the meanest men in Bear's history. here's a link:
@jmdvm7 said:
So many questions......Jimbo Covert and Winston Hill but no Joe Jacoby. Bobby Dillon but no Ed Meador or Jim Patton. Drew Pearson and Harold Carmichael but no Harold Jackson, Billy Wilson, or Billy Howton. Ed Sprinkle? Chuck Howley and Lee Roy Jordan passed over again----is there really that much difference between them and Nobis? We all know about Dilweg, Slater, and Wistert, but how many of us projected "Ox" Emerson and Verne Lewellen? What happened to Big Daddy, Tom Sestak and Ken Anderson? Seymour Siwoff----so when do trainers, water boys and cheerleaders become eligible. Ok, let the comments fly!
I am afraid Howley will never get in after missing the cut.
This worries me, too. It's shame, because I think he's truly deserving. It will be interesting to see if the 10 senior players who don't make the cut this year leapfrog the others given that the voting panel will return to normal next year.
"My father would womanize, he would drink. He would make outrageous claims like he invented the question mark. Sometimes he would accuse chestnuts of being lazy. The sort of general malaise that only the genius possess and the insane lament. Our childhood was typical. Summers in Rangoon, luge lessons. In the spring we'd make meat helmets. When we were insolent we were placed in a burlap bag and beaten with reeds - pretty standard really."
@Doc1962 said:
Is it correct that there are no rookie cards for these players:
Dilweg
Emerson
Lewellen
Slater
Isbell
Thx
Isbell and Emerson have matchbooks, Lewellen and Dilweg are in the 1932 Walker's Cleaners set (which are really photos, not cards), and Slater unfortunately (to the best of my knowledge) has no playing-days issues.
"My father would womanize, he would drink. He would make outrageous claims like he invented the question mark. Sometimes he would accuse chestnuts of being lazy. The sort of general malaise that only the genius possess and the insane lament. Our childhood was typical. Summers in Rangoon, luge lessons. In the spring we'd make meat helmets. When we were insolent we were placed in a burlap bag and beaten with reeds - pretty standard really."
If Sam Mills and Zach Thomas get in over Baughan, Howley, Jordan,and Nobis then the whole selection process is a joke!
And which card serves as Bryant Young's rookie?
Bryant is ‘94 SP. I think he’s the least likely to get in.
Up to 5 modern finalists will get in.
Hopefully they’ll elect one of the safeties other than Polamalu (At-water, Lynch, Butler). It’s probably unlikely, but it would be nice to see one of those deserving players finally get in.
"My father would womanize, he would drink. He would make outrageous claims like he invented the question mark. Sometimes he would accuse chestnuts of being lazy. The sort of general malaise that only the genius possess and the insane lament. Our childhood was typical. Summers in Rangoon, luge lessons. In the spring we'd make meat helmets. When we were insolent we were placed in a burlap bag and beaten with reeds - pretty standard really."
Being a Packer fan I’d love to see Butler get in but I’m not sure he goes in before Atwater or Lynch. Any early predictions on the possible 5 candidates?
Troy Polamalu
Steve Hutchinson
Tony Boselli
Edgerrin James
Steve At-water
I'm here to question, not to inspire or build up. To live how I want, as I see fit, according to my values and my needs. Nothing holds dominion over me, I stand alone as the ruler of my life.
Thanks for the Bryant Young RC info.
Faneca vs. Hutchinson? Is Hutchinson really a better choice?
@shagrotn77 said:
Bryant is ‘94 SP. I think he’s the least likely to get in.
Up to 5 modern finalists will get in.
Hopefully they’ll elect one of the safeties other than Polamalu (At-water, Lynch, Butler). It’s probably unlikely, but it would be nice to see one of those deserving players finally get in.
@jmdvm7 said:
If Sam Mills and Zach Thomas get in over Baughan, Howley, Jordan,and Nobis then the whole selection process is a joke!
And which card serves as Bryant Young's rookie?
I don’t have any problem with Zach Thomas getting in now. Very deserving player and there is no point in creating an even bigger logjam at the LB position. Everyone you mentioned is deserving and cases could be made for a few others.
Faneca, Hutchinson and Boselli, certainly could be any 2 of those 3...All 3 have made the cutdown to the final 10 the past 2 years...Boselli made the cut to 10 three classes ago while Faneca did not and Hutchinson was not yet eligible..
For this class, Im choosing Boselli and Hutchinson and Boselli seems to have been a bit closer than the others to making the cut to 5 (rumor was he had the 6th most votes in the cutdown from 10 to 5...And Hutchinson as the Steelers will already have Troy P. going in this class...
For the odds makers out there----
Of Players in the past 10 classes to make the cut from 10 to 5...
All are now in the HOF with the exception of the following-
Joe Jacoby-Has now moved to the Senior Pool
John Lynch-Made the cut to 10 twice, but the past 2 classes, he's been stuck back in the top 15
Tony Boselli-Has made the cut to 10 the last 3 years in a row
Steve Hutchinson- Has made the cut to 10 the past 2 classes (Every year he's been eligible for induction)
Alan Faneca-Has made cut to 10 the past 2 classes
Edgerrin James-Made the cut to 10 for the first time last year
Steve Atwater-Made the cut to 10 for the first time last year
Path to election for the past 10 classes-
1st Ballot- 19
Made cut to 10 previous year- 25
Only made cut to 15 the previous year- 4
Was not in the top 25 Semifinalists the prior year- 2 (Ed Sabol and Rickey Jackson)
I'm here to question, not to inspire or build up. To live how I want, as I see fit, according to my values and my needs. Nothing holds dominion over me, I stand alone as the ruler of my life.
@shawther said:
I’m guessing Mills would be 1985 Topps USFL card and Young would be 1994 SP.
Yes.
"My father would womanize, he would drink. He would make outrageous claims like he invented the question mark. Sometimes he would accuse chestnuts of being lazy. The sort of general malaise that only the genius possess and the insane lament. Our childhood was typical. Summers in Rangoon, luge lessons. In the spring we'd make meat helmets. When we were insolent we were placed in a burlap bag and beaten with reeds - pretty standard really."
@DEFPOTEC said:
So will there be big news this week? Rick Gosselin included the following yesterday in a story about Pearson:
“Only 10 of the players will gain admission to the Hall when the committee meets Wednesday.”
So will there be a public announcement on Wednesday of the 10 seniors selected for the centennial class?!?!
Hope so!
I saw the saw the same thing. That would be awesome (I had previously heard mid January). I haven't been able to find anything else about the announcement, and there doesn't appear to be anything scheduled on the NFL Network. Guess we'll find out soon enough!
"My father would womanize, he would drink. He would make outrageous claims like he invented the question mark. Sometimes he would accuse chestnuts of being lazy. The sort of general malaise that only the genius possess and the insane lament. Our childhood was typical. Summers in Rangoon, luge lessons. In the spring we'd make meat helmets. When we were insolent we were placed in a burlap bag and beaten with reeds - pretty standard really."
Comments
The request for Gronk was the only 1 I submitted and the only 1 I voted yes on because it is the only one I have seen discussed here. I can see the argument for Smith, the last one I cant recall.
Gronk is an easy yes! Steve Smith is a fringe guy. Hard no on Mangold. Jeff Saturday and Tom Nalen are way more deserving! I am glad that they are sending these requests more frequently. There are still a few other modern guys I’d like to see added including the 2 I mentioned above.
JUst curious
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Who were they?
1948-76 Topps FB Sets
FB & BB HOF Player sets
1948-1993 NY Yankee Team Sets
Don Coryell – 1973-77 St. Louis Cardinals, 1978-1986 San Diego Chargers
Bill Cowher – 1992-2006 Pittsburgh Steelers
Tom Flores – 1979-1987 Oakland/Los Angeles Raiders, 1992-94 Seattle Seahawks
Mike Holmgren – 1992-98 Green Bay Packers, 1999-2008 Seattle Seahawks
Jimmy Johnson – 1989-1993 Dallas Cowboys, 1996-99 Miami Dolphins
Buddy Parker – 1949 Chicago Cardinals, 1951-56 Detroit Lions, 1957-1964 Pittsburgh Steelers
Dan Reeves – 1981-1992 Denver Broncos, 1993-96 New York Giants, 1997-2003 Atlanta Falcons
Dick Vermeil – 1976-1982 Philadelphia Eagles, 1997-99 St. Louis Rams, 2001-05 Kansas City Chiefs
CONTRIBUTORS (10 finalists) — An individual other than a player or coach
Bud Adams, Owner – 1960-2013 Houston Oilers/Tennessee Oilers/Titans
Ralph Hay, Owner – 1918-1922 Canton Bulldogs
Frank “Bucko” Kilroy, Scout/General Manager/Executive – 1960-61 Philadelphia Eagles, 1962-64 Washington Redskins, 1965-1970 Dallas Cowboys, 1971-2006 New England Patriots
Art McNally, Official/Administrator – 1959-2015 National Football League
Art Modell, Owner – 1961-1995 Cleveland Browns, 1996-2011 Baltimore Ravens
Clint Murchison, Founder/Owner – 1960-1983 Dallas Cowboys
Steve Sabol, Administrator/President – 1964-2012 NFL Films
Seymour Siwoff, Owner/President – 1952-2019 Elias Sports Bureau
Paul Tagliabue, Commissioner – 1989-2006 National Football League
George Young, Contributor/General Manager – 1968-1974 Baltimore Colts, 1975-78 Miami Dolphins, 1979-1997 New York Giants, 1998-2001 National Football League
SENIORS (20 finalists) — A player who last played more than 25 seasons ago
Cliff Branch, WR – 1972-1985 Oakland/Los Angeles Raiders
Harold Carmichael, WR – 1971-1983 Philadelphia Eagles, 1984 Dallas Cowboys
Jim Covert, T – 1983-1990 Chicago Bears
Roger Craig, RB – 1983-1990 San Francisco 49ers, 1991 Los Angeles Raiders, 1992-93 Minnesota Vikings
Bobby Dillon, S – 1952-59 Green Bay Packers
LaVern Dilweg, E – 1926 Milwaukee Badgers, 1927-1934 Green Bay Packers
Ox Emerson, G/LB/C – 1931-37 Portsmouth Spartans/Detroit Lions, 1938 Brooklyn Dodgers
Randy Gradishar, LB – 1974-1983 Denver Broncos
Cliff Harris, S – 1970-79 Dallas Cowboys
Winston Hill, T – 1963-1976 New York Jets, 1977 Los Angeles Rams
Cecil Isbell, TB/DB/HB – 1938-1942 Green Bay Packers
Alex Karras, DT – 1958-1962, 1964-1970 Detroit Lions
Verne Lewellen, HB – 1924-27, 1928-1932 Green Bay Packers, 1927 New York Yankees
Tommy Nobis, LB – 1966-1976 Atlanta Falcons
Drew Pearson, WR – 1973-1983 Dallas Cowboys
Donnie Shell, S – 1974-1987 Pittsburgh Steelers
Duke Slater, T – 1922 Milwaukee Badgers, 1922-25 Rock Island Independents, 1926-1931 Chicago Cardinals
Mac Speedie, E – 1946-1952 Cleveland Browns [AAFC/NFL]
Ed Sprinkle, DE/LB/E – 1944-1955 Chicago Bears
Al Wistert, OT/DT/G – 1943 Phil-Pitt, 1944-1951 Philadelphia Eagles
according to my values and my needs. Nothing holds dominion over me, I stand alone as the ruler of my life.
My guesses for 3 coaches and 2 contributors will remain the same as before. For my 10 players-
Craig
Dilweg
Branch
Pearson
Slater
Wistert
Karras
Gradishar
Nobis
Shell
according to my values and my needs. Nothing holds dominion over me, I stand alone as the ruler of my life.
I would like to see Roger Craig get in.
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#1 Gino Cappelletti master set
#1 John Hannah master set
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Ugh - no Lester Hayes
Looks pretty balanced - offense to defense and by position. Surprised Ken Anderson didn't make it - no QBs.
Surprised Maxie Baughan didn’t make the cut.
I hadn’t even noticed Anderson didn’t make the cut. I agree that he should have easily made the final 20.
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#1 Gino Cappelletti master set
#1 John Hannah master set
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TY
Sure that is right ???
No Fred Biletnikoff
1948-76 Topps FB Sets
FB & BB HOF Player sets
1948-1993 NY Yankee Team Sets
Sorry, Marvin Harrison is not one of the 10 best receivers of all time.
Stunned by Anderson’s omission. Also surprised Andy Russell’s not there, given all the buzz about him in the past couple years. But maybe that’s because their senior committee backers aren’t part of the blue-ribbon panel?
I like JasP24’s list, with someone dropping off to make way for Harris.
So many questions......Jimbo Covert and Winston Hill but no Joe Jacoby. Bobby Dillon but no Ed Meador or Jim Patton. Drew Pearson and Harold Carmichael but no Harold Jackson, Billy Wilson, or Billy Howton. Ed Sprinkle? Chuck Howley and Lee Roy Jordan passed over again----is there really that much difference between them and Nobis? We all know about Dilweg, Slater, and Wistert, but how many of us projected "Ox" Emerson and Verne Lewellen? What happened to Big Daddy, Tom Sestak and Ken Anderson? Seymour Siwoff----so when do trainers, water boys and cheerleaders become eligible. Ok, let the comments fly!
Billy Howton is the most glaring miss here. Retired as the leader in both yards and receptions. Sad.
Pleasantly surprised to see Winston Hill's name. I mentioned him in this very thread some time ago.
Which players do you think have the longest odds of making it? I’m thinking Carmichael, for one. It’s very surprising to see three 1970s WRs on the list. Branch and Pearson would both seem to be ahead of Carmichael, and there’s no way all 3 get in.
i am wondering if they will focus more on the old timers for this class, probably for the last time. the guys from the 70's and 80's still have voters from the main committee that know how they played in person. the old guys not so much. you really need people that truly know the history of the NFL and appreciate what those players did back in the day of two way play.
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Brett Favre Master Set
Favre Ticket Stubs
Favre TD Reciever Autos
Football HOF Player/etc. Auto Set
Football HOF Rc's
Question for you gentlemen: I’m assuming that if Bobby Dillon were to be selected, his card would be the 1952 Bowman, correct?
Correct.
My guesses:
Wistert
Dilweg
Gradishar
Pearson/Harris
Speedie
Slater
Karras
Hill
Dillon
Emerson
Shot in the dark... I think most belong in.
Is it correct that there are no rookie cards for these players:
Dilweg
Emerson
Lewellen
Slater
Isbell
Thx
Plugging all 5 names into VCP gives no results.
Beyond that I do not know
1948-76 Topps FB Sets
FB & BB HOF Player sets
1948-1993 NY Yankee Team Sets
Correct.
Geno Atkins is now a 8 time Pro Bowler and 2 time All Pro with 75.5 sacks. Every defense tackle with 8 Pro Bowls is in the HOF. He has been one of the top 3 technique defensive tackles during his career but had the misfortune of playing most of it at the same time as Donald.
Super Bowl XXVIII: Buffalo Bills vs Dallas Cowboys -
Running back Emmitt Smith rushed for 132 yards and 2
touchdowns earning Super Bowl MVP honors as the Cowboys
defeated the Bills 30-13 to win their second consecutive NFL
title.
I am afraid Howley will never get in after missing the cut.
Super Bowl XXVIII: Buffalo Bills vs Dallas Cowboys -
Running back Emmitt Smith rushed for 132 yards and 2
touchdowns earning Super Bowl MVP honors as the Cowboys
defeated the Bills 30-13 to win their second consecutive NFL
title.
Who's Ed Sprinkle?
That's the question I said out loud when I was at a signing for Stan Jones in the early '90s. I saw an 8x10 of Sprinkle on a table and didn't know who he was, Well a couple of old-timers in line behind me educated me. What I remember is them telling me besides being a defensive standout, he was one of the meanest men in Bear's history. here's a link:
This worries me, too. It's shame, because I think he's truly deserving. It will be interesting to see if the 10 senior players who don't make the cut this year leapfrog the others given that the voting panel will return to normal next year.
Isbell and Emerson have matchbooks, Lewellen and Dilweg are in the 1932 Walker's Cleaners set (which are really photos, not cards), and Slater unfortunately (to the best of my knowledge) has no playing-days issues.
Finalists named:
The other HOF finalists are:
Steve Atwater, safety – 1989-1998 Denver Broncos, 1999 New York Jets.
Tony Boselli, offensive tackle – 1995-2001 Jacksonville Jaguars.
Isaac Bruce, wide receiver – 1994-2007 Los Angeles/St. Louis Rams, 2008-09 San Francisco 49ers.
LeRoy Butler, safety – 1990-2001 Green Bay Packers.
Alan Faneca, offensive guard – 1998-2007 Pittsburgh Steelers, 2008-09 New York Jets.
Torry Holt, wide receiver – 1999-2008 St. Louis Rams, 2009 Jacksonville Jaguars.
Steve Hutchinson, offensive guard – 2001-05 Seattle Seahawks, 2006-2011 Minnesota Vikings.
Edgerrin James, running back – 1999-2005 Indianapolis Colts, 2006-08 Arizona Cardinals, 2009 Seattle Seahawks.
John Lynch, free safety – 1993-2003 Tampa Bay Buccaneers, 2004-07 Denver Broncos.
Sam Mills, linebacker – 1986-1994 New Orleans Saints, 1995-97 Carolina Panthers.
Richard Seymour, defensive end/defensive tackle – 2001-08 New England Patriots, 2009-2012 Oakland Raiders.
Zach Thomas, inside linebacker – 1996-2007 Miami Dolphins, 2008 Dallas Cowboys.
Bryant Young, defensive tackle – 1994-2007 San Francisco 49ers.
If Sam Mills and Zach Thomas get in over Baughan, Howley, Jordan,and Nobis then the whole selection process is a joke!
And which card serves as Bryant Young's rookie?
How many of the modern finalists will be selected?
Bryant is ‘94 SP. I think he’s the least likely to get in.
Up to 5 modern finalists will get in.
Hopefully they’ll elect one of the safeties other than Polamalu (At-water, Lynch, Butler). It’s probably unlikely, but it would be nice to see one of those deserving players finally get in.
B Young
How does a guy with just 4 pro bowls in a almost everyone makes the pro bowl time and just one All pro and 2nd team of decade make the HOF?
IMO there is only a few no brainers here.
1948-76 Topps FB Sets
FB & BB HOF Player sets
1948-1993 NY Yankee Team Sets
Being a Packer fan I’d love to see Butler get in but I’m not sure he goes in before Atwater or Lynch. Any early predictions on the possible 5 candidates?
My guesses for this class:
Troy Polamalu
Steve Hutchinson
Tony Boselli
Edgerrin James
Steve At-water
according to my values and my needs. Nothing holds dominion over me, I stand alone as the ruler of my life.
Other than Polamalu I won’t venture a guess. However it looks like a log jam is developing again at WR.
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Thanks for the Bryant Young RC info.
Faneca vs. Hutchinson? Is Hutchinson really a better choice?
Hutchinson
7× Pro Bowl (2003–2009)
5× First-team All-Pro (2003, 2005, 2007–2009)
2× Second-team All-Pro (2004, 2006)
NFL 2000s All-Decade Team
Faneca
9× Pro Bowl (2001–2009)
6× First-team All-Pro (2001, 2002, 2004–2007)
2× Second-team All-Pro (2003, 2008)
Pittsburgh Steelers All-Time Team
NFL 2000s All-Decade Team
Slight edge to Faneca - both very worthy
I don’t have any problem with Zach Thomas getting in now. Very deserving player and there is no point in creating an even bigger logjam at the LB position. Everyone you mentioned is deserving and cases could be made for a few others.
My guesses:
Zach Thomas
Troy Polamalu
Steve Atwater
Alan Faneca
Edgerrin James
Faneca, Hutchinson and Boselli, certainly could be any 2 of those 3...All 3 have made the cutdown to the final 10 the past 2 years...Boselli made the cut to 10 three classes ago while Faneca did not and Hutchinson was not yet eligible..
For this class, Im choosing Boselli and Hutchinson and Boselli seems to have been a bit closer than the others to making the cut to 5 (rumor was he had the 6th most votes in the cutdown from 10 to 5...And Hutchinson as the Steelers will already have Troy P. going in this class...
For the odds makers out there----
Of Players in the past 10 classes to make the cut from 10 to 5...
All are now in the HOF with the exception of the following-
Joe Jacoby-Has now moved to the Senior Pool
John Lynch-Made the cut to 10 twice, but the past 2 classes, he's been stuck back in the top 15
Tony Boselli-Has made the cut to 10 the last 3 years in a row
Steve Hutchinson- Has made the cut to 10 the past 2 classes (Every year he's been eligible for induction)
Alan Faneca-Has made cut to 10 the past 2 classes
Edgerrin James-Made the cut to 10 for the first time last year
Steve Atwater-Made the cut to 10 for the first time last year
Path to election for the past 10 classes-
1st Ballot- 19
Made cut to 10 previous year- 25
Only made cut to 15 the previous year- 4
Was not in the top 25 Semifinalists the prior year- 2 (Ed Sabol and Rickey Jackson)
according to my values and my needs. Nothing holds dominion over me, I stand alone as the ruler of my life.
Is there even a card chosen for the set for Sam Mils and Bryant Young?
I’m guessing Mills would be 1985 Topps USFL card and Young would be 1994 SP.
Yes.
So will there be big news this week? Rick Gosselin included the following yesterday in a story about Pearson:
“Only 10 of the players will gain admission to the Hall when the committee meets Wednesday.”
So will there be a public announcement on Wednesday of the 10 seniors selected for the centennial class?!?!
Hope so!
I saw the saw the same thing. That would be awesome (I had previously heard mid January). I haven't been able to find anything else about the announcement, and there doesn't appear to be anything scheduled on the NFL Network. Guess we'll find out soon enough!
Anyone have a guess to which Bobby Wagner card would be part of the registry?
I was thinking the elite because it is numbered, but it isn't a lock to me.