"Looks like prices starting to normalize holding about $900.00 starting bids."
I usually gauge the trends by looking at the buy it now listings. the auctions usually last about six days and end up at about the same price anyway. today I did notice a down trend starting at $1300 buy it now. yesterday you couldn't find anything less than $1500 bin. so, we'll see if things are declining or just experiencing a flattening out during the holidays.
@BigA said:
Did you see the $700 BIN listing that sold this am?
I don’t remember that price but there was one even lower and when I clicked on it was already sold. Now I am not in the market for one I just have NO LIFE so I just cruse the internet looking for coins I want to buy. Practicing on my new I pad. Had 4 days off just cooking, lazing around getting ready for the Monday craze at work.
I bought a few Ron Landis design coins etc. patiently waiting for PCGS to open so I can ask a few requests.
@jabba said:
I don’t think they ever release more on Sundays but I tried anyway and nothing again I get a feeling it’s going to get sold sign very soon
For prior products they have released on a Sunday. But you have to be watching right at 7:30am EST for the products that are in high demand... In the case of these, they would all be gone in less than a minute of being released.. (you might have a little more time if they released more than a few hundred)
No but, I remember (maybe the baseball gold) an instance where final audited mintage exceeded maximum authorized mintage because of being oversold. It's mysterious that they've released no sales figures so far (not even press release), they have to know that number, What if it turns out that it's not the new ASE king?
@edgar said:
No but, I remember (maybe the baseball gold) an instance where final audited mintage exceeded maximum authorized mintage because of being oversold. It's mysterious that they've released no sales figures so far (not even press release), they have to know that number, What if it turns out that it's not the new ASE king?
Tin foil hat at the ready.
Their inability to post numbers started before this release. They told one person that they had a staff change.
In fact, the problem started when they released the innovation dollar. You have to be totally obsessed with this coin to think it has anything to do with this.
And why do you even think they would be trying to hide it? They can't hide mintages forever.
This coin Launched November 14. We haven’t seen numbers since November 3. Not releasing numbers has Nothing to do with This coin. FY2019 ended in September. Since November 3, Bullion numbers have been adjusted for the American Gold Eagle for June and August. My guess is that some of the numismatic numbers are incorrect Previous to fiscal year end and the Mint is addressing that issue...
@cagcrisp said:
This coin Launched November 14. We haven’t seen numbers since November 3. Not releasing numbers has Nothing to do with This coin.
I agree with you about that point. However the Mint has to know how many of these remain, they have to know first day sales figures, they had to have known product availability for subsequent morning releases. Normally for prominant product launches, they have a first day sales report. And the mint did some screwy things with some orders...
@cagcrisp said:
This coin Launched November 14. We haven’t seen numbers since November 3. Not releasing numbers has Nothing to do with This coin.
I agree with you about that point. However the Mint has to know how many of these remain, they have to know first day sales figures, they had to have known product availability for subsequent morning releases. Normally for prominant product launches, they have a first day sales report. And the mint did some screwy things with some orders...
The thing with this release is that they have serialized COAs. If they printed more than 30,000 numbered COAs they should definitely know it.
@opportunity said:
Question...did anyone get one in a larger box than normal? Most of the ones I saw were in boxes about 1 inch tall, but I saw one today in a box that was about a big lengthwise and width, but was about 3-4 inches tall.
I did. One would think that all packaging would be the same. Maybe a little OJT would be in order at the fulfillment center.
@cagcrisp said:
This coin Launched November 14. We haven’t seen numbers since November 3. Not releasing numbers has Nothing to do with This coin.
I agree with you about that point. However the Mint has to know how many of these remain, they have to know first day sales figures, they had to have known product availability for subsequent morning releases. Normally for prominant product launches, they have a first day sales report. And the mint did some screwy things with some orders...
The Mint does not issue a first day sales report. The Mint usually responds to a Coin World (or other press) request for that information.
Question...did anyone get one in a larger box than normal? Most of the ones I saw were in boxes about 1 inch tall, but I saw one today in a box that was about a big lengthwise and width, but was about 3-4 inches tall.
Ditto...I actually received 2 in the "taller" box...however, I had another inexpensive item in my bag at checkout...so there are actually 2 items in my boxes.
We have a larger % not sent to just one grading service so the grade % of 69/70 will depend upon other factors like @jmlanzaf said. Most release get 80-85% 70 overall.
The Mint does not issue a first day sales report. The Mint usually responds to a Coin World (or other press) request for that information.
That what I meant, they took the time to mention bots and orders declined, number of online logins and telephone attempts etc, but not even preliminary sales.
The Mint does not issue a first day sales report. The Mint usually responds to a Coin World (or other press) request for that information.
That what I meant, they took the time to mention bots and orders declined, number of online logins and telephone attempts etc, but not even preliminary sales.
Currently the Mint has 174 line items on the Production and Sales report. I think Most people know that this coin is Sold Out and the Mint just has Not hung up the Sold Out sign as yet. There are other coins that people are more interested in seeing sales numbers than a coin that is virtually Sold Out...
The Mint does not issue a first day sales report. The Mint usually responds to a Coin World (or other press) request for that information.
That what I meant, they took the time to mention bots and orders declined, number of online logins and telephone attempts etc, but not even preliminary sales.
Currently the Mint has 174 line items on the Production and Sales report. I think Most people know that this coin is Sold Out and the Mint just has Not hung up the Sold Out sign as yet. There are other coins that people are more interested in seeing sales numbers than a coin that is virtually Sold Out...
THIS!
Other than the tin foil hat conspiracies that are springing up, there is no reason to think that the sales are either higher (as some want to oddly conclude) or significantly lower than 30,000. They sold 30,000 on the first day and a few cancellations popped up later. I would be stunned if the number were less than 29,800 sold or higher than 30,000.
I certainly would be shocked if the Mint was intentionally refusing to release a number that was higher. Especially given the frothy secondary market. The Mint would be open to a lawsuit.
The Mint does not issue a first day sales report. The Mint usually responds to a Coin World (or other press) request for that information.
That what I meant, they took the time to mention bots and orders declined, number of online logins and telephone attempts etc, but not even preliminary sales.
Currently the Mint has 174 line items on the Production and Sales report. I think Most people know that this coin is Sold Out and the Mint just has Not hung up the Sold Out sign as yet. There are other coins that people are more interested in seeing sales numbers than a coin that is virtually Sold Out...
THIS!
Other than the tin foil hat conspiracies that are spring up, there is no reason to think that the sales are either higher (as some want to oddly conclude) or significantly lower than 30,000. They sold 30,000 on the first day and a few cancellations popped up later. I would be stunned if the number were less than 29,800 sold or higher than 30,000.
I certainly would be shocked if the Mint was intentionally refusing to release a number that was higher. Especially given the frothy secondary market. The Mint would be open to a lawsuit.
I think some people just want the secondary market to crash so they can buy in. That's fine, but throwing around wild conspiracy theories doesn't help.
The Mint does not issue a first day sales report. The Mint usually responds to a Coin World (or other press) request for that information.
That what I meant, they took the time to mention bots and orders declined, number of online logins and telephone attempts etc, but not even preliminary sales.
Currently the Mint has 174 line items on the Production and Sales report. I think Most people know that this coin is Sold Out and the Mint just has Not hung up the Sold Out sign as yet. There are other coins that people are more interested in seeing sales numbers than a coin that is virtually Sold Out...
THIS!
Other than the tin foil hat conspiracies that are spring up, there is no reason to think that the sales are either higher (as some want to oddly conclude) or significantly lower than 30,000. They sold 30,000 on the first day and a few cancellations popped up later. I would be stunned if the number were less than 29,800 sold or higher than 30,000.
I certainly would be shocked if the Mint was intentionally refusing to release a number that was higher. Especially given the frothy secondary market. The Mint would be open to a lawsuit.
I think some people just want the secondary market to crash so they can buy in. That's fine, but throwing around wild conspiracy theories doesn't help.
With the hype still around it’s not gonna crash anytime soon
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The Mint does not issue a first day sales report. The Mint usually responds to a Coin World (or other press) request for that information.
That what I meant, they took the time to mention bots and orders declined, number of online logins and telephone attempts etc, but not even preliminary sales.
Currently the Mint has 174 line items on the Production and Sales report. I think Most people know that this coin is Sold Out and the Mint just has Not hung up the Sold Out sign as yet. There are other coins that people are more interested in seeing sales numbers than a coin that is virtually Sold Out...
THIS!
Other than the tin foil hat conspiracies that are spring up, there is no reason to think that the sales are either higher (as some want to oddly conclude) or significantly lower than 30,000. They sold 30,000 on the first day and a few cancellations popped up later. I would be stunned if the number were less than 29,800 sold or higher than 30,000.
I certainly would be shocked if the Mint was intentionally refusing to release a number that was higher. Especially given the frothy secondary market. The Mint would be open to a lawsuit.
I think some people just want the secondary market to crash so they can buy in. That's fine, but throwing around wild conspiracy theories doesn't help.
With the hype still around it’s not gonna crash anytime soon
The Mint does not issue a first day sales report. The Mint usually responds to a Coin World (or other press) request for that information.
That what I meant, they took the time to mention bots and orders declined, number of online logins and telephone attempts etc, but not even preliminary sales.
Currently the Mint has 174 line items on the Production and Sales report. I think Most people know that this coin is Sold Out and the Mint just has Not hung up the Sold Out sign as yet. There are other coins that people are more interested in seeing sales numbers than a coin that is virtually Sold Out...
THIS!
Other than the tin foil hat conspiracies that are spring up, there is no reason to think that the sales are either higher (as some want to oddly conclude) or significantly lower than 30,000. They sold 30,000 on the first day and a few cancellations popped up later. I would be stunned if the number were less than 29,800 sold or higher than 30,000.
I certainly would be shocked if the Mint was intentionally refusing to release a number that was higher. Especially given the frothy secondary market. The Mint would be open to a lawsuit.
I think some people just want the secondary market to crash so they can buy in. That's fine, but throwing around wild conspiracy theories doesn't help.
With the hype still around it’s not gonna crash anytime soon
Beware confirmation bias
Prices are going up slower, but they're still going up. Unopened boxes are now selling for around $1,500
The Mint does not issue a first day sales report. The Mint usually responds to a Coin World (or other press) request for that information.
That what I meant, they took the time to mention bots and orders declined, number of online logins and telephone attempts etc, but not even preliminary sales.
Currently the Mint has 174 line items on the Production and Sales report. I think Most people know that this coin is Sold Out and the Mint just has Not hung up the Sold Out sign as yet. There are other coins that people are more interested in seeing sales numbers than a coin that is virtually Sold Out...
THIS!
Other than the tin foil hat conspiracies that are spring up, there is no reason to think that the sales are either higher (as some want to oddly conclude) or significantly lower than 30,000. They sold 30,000 on the first day and a few cancellations popped up later. I would be stunned if the number were less than 29,800 sold or higher than 30,000.
I certainly would be shocked if the Mint was intentionally refusing to release a number that was higher. Especially given the frothy secondary market. The Mint would be open to a lawsuit.
I think some people just want the secondary market to crash so they can buy in. That's fine, but throwing around wild conspiracy theories doesn't help.
With the hype still around it’s not gonna crash anytime soon
Beware confirmation bias
Prices are going up slower, but they're still going up. Unopened boxes are now selling for around $1,500
I think they've plateaued. You've got $1000 and $1200 sales mixed in. There's also much lower volume than last week. But time will tell...
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and I was all ready to play "beat the bot" too..
I was ready! That bot beat me the last time there was an offering and I don't wan't that to happen again.
is that like beating the Whamee?
Looks like prices starting to normalize holding about $900.00 starting bids.
Unless our FAVORITE TOP DEALER MM wants a few more!
Ending soon between $1100.00 thru $1300.00. Practicing on my new I-Pad Pro love this thing!
68 WATCHER POPULAR STILL. I don’t think this will go any higher.
"Looks like prices starting to normalize holding about $900.00 starting bids."
I usually gauge the trends by looking at the buy it now listings. the auctions usually last about six days and end up at about the same price anyway. today I did notice a down trend starting at $1300 buy it now. yesterday you couldn't find anything less than $1500 bin. so, we'll see if things are declining or just experiencing a flattening out during the holidays.
Ended $1351.00
Will the next end up a $1084.00. That’s quite a spread.
25 watchers. Last second bids put her up to $1225.00
Still a nice profit from a $70.00 investment.
Did you see the $700 BIN listing that sold this am?
I don’t remember that price but there was one even lower and when I clicked on it was already sold. Now I am not in the market for one I just have NO LIFE so I just cruse the internet looking for coins I want to buy. Practicing on my new I pad. Had 4 days off just cooking, lazing around getting ready for the Monday craze at work.
I bought a few Ron Landis design coins etc. patiently waiting for PCGS to open so I can ask a few requests.
$1300 is a nice return for a $700 investment also... LOL!
There is one guy that has 30 coins for sale on ebay.
I don’t think they ever release more on Sundays but I tried anyway and nothing again I get a feeling it’s going to get sold sign very soon
https://www.pcgs.com/setregistry/quarters/washington-quarters-major-sets/washington-quarters-date-set-circulation-strikes-1932-present/publishedset/209923
https://www.pcgs.com/setregistry/quarters/washington-quarters-major-sets/washington-quarters-date-set-circulation-strikes-1932-present/album/209923
I'm still in on trying to get another one in the morning. after that I may throw in the towel
For prior products they have released on a Sunday. But you have to be watching right at 7:30am EST for the products that are in high demand... In the case of these, they would all be gone in less than a minute of being released.. (you might have a little more time if they released more than a few hundred)
Hopefully it will get released one more time before it says sold out. I’ll keep going till it says sold out or until I can get another one
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Your opinion;
How far would the price/value adjust if the mint published mintage numbers in excess of the 1995W?
(l8-)>>
It depends of how many Over 30,000
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How far would the price/value adjust if the mint published mintage numbers in excess of the 1995W?
It depends of how many Over 30,000
are you saying that the mint doesn't know how to count up to 30,000?
No but, I remember (maybe the baseball gold) an instance where final audited mintage exceeded maximum authorized mintage because of being oversold. It's mysterious that they've released no sales figures so far (not even press release), they have to know that number, What if it turns out that it's not the new ASE king?
(l8-)>>
Tin foil hat at the ready.
Their inability to post numbers started before this release. They told one person that they had a staff change.
In fact, the problem started when they released the innovation dollar. You have to be totally obsessed with this coin to think it has anything to do with this.
And why do you even think they would be trying to hide it? They can't hide mintages forever.
This coin Launched November 14. We haven’t seen numbers since November 3. Not releasing numbers has Nothing to do with This coin. FY2019 ended in September. Since November 3, Bullion numbers have been adjusted for the American Gold Eagle for June and August. My guess is that some of the numismatic numbers are incorrect Previous to fiscal year end and the Mint is addressing that issue...
No release for cyber Monday
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Strange. I was signed in but got kicked off and had to sign in again.
Box of 20
I agree with you about that point. However the Mint has to know how many of these remain, they have to know first day sales figures, they had to have known product availability for subsequent morning releases. Normally for prominant product launches, they have a first day sales report. And the mint did some screwy things with some orders...
(l8-)>>
Nope, notta thing popped up.
The thing with this release is that they have serialized COAs. If they printed more than 30,000 numbered COAs they should definitely know it.
Good point, I didn't consider that
(l8-)>>
I did. One would think that all packaging would be the same. Maybe a little OJT would be in order at the fulfillment center.
The Mint does not issue a first day sales report. The Mint usually responds to a Coin World (or other press) request for that information.
Ditto...I actually received 2 in the "taller" box...however, I had another inexpensive item in my bag at checkout...so there are actually 2 items in my boxes.
The one I got was in the smaller short box
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small box here. haven't heard if there's really a difference , probably ran out of one size and went to the next.
I got the short tall box.
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We have a larger % not sent to just one grading service so the grade % of 69/70 will depend upon other factors like @jmlanzaf said. Most release get 80-85% 70 overall.
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That what I meant, they took the time to mention bots and orders declined, number of online logins and telephone attempts etc, but not even preliminary sales.
(l8-)>>
Currently the Mint has 174 line items on the Production and Sales report. I think Most people know that this coin is Sold Out and the Mint just has Not hung up the Sold Out sign as yet. There are other coins that people are more interested in seeing sales numbers than a coin that is virtually Sold Out...
THIS!
Other than the tin foil hat conspiracies that are springing up, there is no reason to think that the sales are either higher (as some want to oddly conclude) or significantly lower than 30,000. They sold 30,000 on the first day and a few cancellations popped up later. I would be stunned if the number were less than 29,800 sold or higher than 30,000.
I certainly would be shocked if the Mint was intentionally refusing to release a number that was higher. Especially given the frothy secondary market. The Mint would be open to a lawsuit.
I think some people just want the secondary market to crash so they can buy in. That's fine, but throwing around wild conspiracy theories doesn't help.
With the hype still around it’s not gonna crash anytime soon
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Beware confirmation bias
Prices are going up slower, but they're still going up. Unopened boxes are now selling for around $1,500
Also for those interested:
https://www.ebay.com/itm/2019-S-Silver-Eagle-Enhanced-Reverse-Proof-PCGS-PR70-FS-Cert-00016-SIGNED/362834927700
Signed PR-70 (CoA #16) on auction on eBay right now. $10,300 with 2 days remaining.
Archemia I had to look but your correct!
I think they've plateaued. You've got $1000 and $1200 sales mixed in. There's also much lower volume than last week. But time will tell...
Definitely starting to plateau. I think the next week or so will be the best time to sell
No release. Will we see the sales figures today?
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no relief either. will they put the sold out sign up today?
Thanksgiving weekend may well have been the best time to sell.
I'd expect a crash in early 2020.
If the sale numbers are up there. It is possible.
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Too soon. They rarely call it sold out for at least 30 days.
Maybe they are holding whats left and trying to figure out how to stop the bots ?