Im excited to share my new half dollars! *with results!

Boosibri · September 9, 2019 2:04PM

No way on the Hawaii

astrorat · September 9, 2019 2:14PM

Swap meet + Hawaii commem = nervous

Good luck with your purchase. I have rarely seen a Hawaii commem "in the wild" that was not a counterfeit. Please post the results when you hear back from PCGS.

ARCO · September 9, 2019 2:19PM

Does that half dollar say "Captain James Gook? Racist!

CoinNovice · September 9, 2019 3:01PM

@astrorat said:
Swap meet + Hawaii commem = nervous

Good luck with your purchase. I have rarely seen a Hawaii commem "in the wild" that was not a counterfeit. Please post the results when you hear back from PCGS.

i will post, thank you!
just kinda wondering where i stand as a coin collector if
i really cant tell a fake half dollar from a real one haha
i know that there are people on this site that are very knowledgeable
so i dont want to argue if its right or wrong anymore.

ctf_error_coins · September 9, 2019 3:13PM

@CoinNovice said:

@astrorat said:
Swap meet + Hawaii commem = nervous

Good luck with your purchase. I have rarely seen a Hawaii commem "in the wild" that was not a counterfeit. Please post the results when you hear back from PCGS.

i will post, thank you!
just kinda wondering where i stand as a coin collector if
i really cant tell a fake half dollar from a real one haha
i know that there are people on this site that are very knowledgeable
so i dont want to argue if its right or wrong anymore.

Many of us specialize.

I can tell you for sure over 99% of the time if an error coin is real or not.

On this Hawaiin, I have no idea because it is not my series.

Based on the responses by certain forum members, I would bet 100% that your Hawaiin is a fake, sorry.

Welcome to the forum, The information you will learn here is amazing.

JBK · September 9, 2019 3:18PM

@CoinNovice said:
just kinda wondering where i stand as a coin collector if
i really cant tell a fake half dollar from a real one haha

There is no shame in not knowing everything. The goal is to have resources where you can go to get the answers you need, and to know enough to go there when appropriate.

lkeigwin · September 9, 2019 3:20PM

I'm not able to do decent overlays with the images provided. If OP gives us round ones (i.e., vertical shots so the camera is square to the coin, not at an angle) I'll work some up.

My impression from fiddling with what we have is that devices line up correctly and proportions are proper. I too believe it's a fake but that it was probably struck with dies made from a real Hawaiian. Or maybe cast.
Lance.

CoinNovice · September 9, 2019 3:34PM

@lkeigwin said:
I'm not able to do decent overlays with the images provided. If OP gives us round ones (i.e., vertical shots so the camera is square to the coin, not at an angle) I'll work some up.

My impression from fiddling with what we have is that devices line up correctly and proportions are proper. I too believe it's a fake but that it was probably struck with dies made from a real Hawaiian. Or maybe cast.
Lance.

I will take whatever pics youd like.
all the infor helps

CoinNovice · September 9, 2019 3:40PM

This is the best I could do

JBK · September 9, 2019 3:41PM

Good photos!

lkeigwin · September 9, 2019 5:04PM

Here's the obverse.
Lance.

ARCO · September 9, 2019 5:11PM

Know this. Even if these halves are counterfeit, you lost a lot less money that if you were to buy the real deal in holders from some dealer or an auction site. You lost less buying counterfeits than the real deal.

Pretty darn smart!

lkeigwin · September 9, 2019 5:12PM

I can do the reverse but I think the results will be similar.

This doesn't prove or disprove anything. It's just a data point. Many counterfeits are made from real coins.

I'd like to know what PCGS thinks.
Lance.

CoinNovice · September 9, 2019 5:12PM

@lkeigwin said:
Here's the obverse.
Lance.

wow! that looks very nice!
wish i could take better pictures,
thank you for your help on this

CoinNovice · September 9, 2019 5:13PM

@lkeigwin said:
I can do the reverse but I think the results will be similar.

This doesn't prove or disprove anything. It's just a data point. Many counterfeits are made from real coins.

I'd like to know what PCGS thinks.
Lance.

i will let you know,
as well as post it back on this thread.
Thank you.

astrorat · September 9, 2019 6:00PM

@CoinNovice said:

@astrorat said:
Swap meet + Hawaii commem = nervous

Good luck with your purchase. I have rarely seen a Hawaii commem "in the wild" that was not a counterfeit. Please post the results when you hear back from PCGS.

i will post, thank you!
just kinda wondering where i stand as a coin collector if
i really cant tell a fake half dollar from a real one haha
i know that there are people on this site that are very knowledgeable
so i dont want to argue if its right or wrong anymore.

You stand where most of us stand as collectors ... wanting to learn more and gain more experience. There is nobody on the Board that knows everything about every coin. Some folks have a remarkable depth and breadth of knowledge. Many have an extensive knowledge about a narrow area. Don't be too hard on yourself.

Gluggo · September 9, 2019 6:42PM

Amazing how you all were able to key in on a few details.
I can see the 1778 the 1 looks more like an I capitalized.
If they turn out to be counterfeit at least you only spent $100.00.

I blow more on garbage like the 3 books on coins and other type similar foolishly spent items. Please let us know the results and we can always learn as a group. I know I am learning just on this post alone.

kaz · September 9, 2019 7:07PM

Welcome to the forum and I hope you made a great deal. In any case, please let us know the results of the submission. I'm learning all the time.
Great job on the overlays, Lance!

thefinn · September 9, 2019 7:45PM

@CoinNovice said:
Have I mentioned how much I love the swapmeet?!

Have I told you how much people buying Chinese fakes love the swap meets?

thefinn · September 9, 2019 7:57PM

@Gluggo said:
Amazing how you all were able to key in on a few details.
I can see the 1778 the 1 looks more like an I capitalized.
If they turn out to be counterfeit at least you only spent $100.00.

I blow more on garbage like the 3 books on coins and other type similar foolishly spent items. Please let us know the results and we can always learn as a group. I know I am learning just on this post alone.

Money spent on books is not a waste.

Gluggo · September 9, 2019 9:01PM

@thefinn said:

@Gluggo said:
Amazing how you all were able to key in on a few details.
I can see the 1778 the 1 looks more like an I capitalized.
If they turn out to be counterfeit at least you only spent $100.00.

I blow more on garbage like the 3 books on coins and other type similar foolishly spent items. Please let us know the results and we can always learn as a group. I know I am learning just on this post alone.

Money spent on books is not a waste.

Your right trying to be sarcastic I guess! I just blew more money tonight on some Silver Coins. Ohhhh boy it’s a sickness.

mannie gray · September 9, 2019 9:30PM

@CoinNovice said:
Last picture before it’s off boys!

My first instinct after looking at the image of this "coin" for about 2 seconds was that it was fake.
The Lincoln is likely fake too.
Sorry.

Goldminers · September 9, 2019 9:49PM

A close-up may be helpful.

Justacommeman · September 9, 2019 9:50PM

An inexpensive digital scale could save the OP some postage and grading fees.

The first thing the PCGS graders will do is weigh it I assume

mark

mannie gray · September 9, 2019 9:54PM

@Justacommeman said:
An inexpensive digital scale could save the OP some postage and grading fees.

The first thing the PCGS graders will do is weigh it I assume

mark

I doubt they'll feel it's necessary to weigh the Hawaiian......

bigmountainlion · September 9, 2019 10:01PM

What else is the swap meet person selling？ How old is he?

JBK · September 10, 2019 2:14AM

@Goldminers said:
A close-up may be helpful.

I am not liking those letters...

Treashunt · September 10, 2019 3:34AM

We,, all that I'll say is: Good luck.

1630Boston · September 10, 2019 4:06AM

Welcome to the forum @CoinNovice ,
Stick around, learn, teach, and have some fun
Boston MDCXXX

ricko · September 10, 2019 5:14AM

@CoinNovice ... Welcome aboard....This will be interesting...I am glad you are sending them for authentication... It will be good information for the forum. Cheers, RickO

Hemispherical · September 10, 2019 6:45AM

@CoinNovice said:

@Hemispherical said:
@CoinNovice

I like the eagle on ‘18 half.

Planning on sending it in for authentication/grading?

yea, after running them under the XRF analyzer and weighing them,
they are off to PCGS Today!

Good luck!

Post the results when you get them back, please.

It’ll be good experience for all.

291fifth · September 10, 2019 7:24AM

Good quality fakes of the Hawaiian commem were around long before the counterfeits from Asia started appearing in recent years. (The same is true of the Spanish Trail commem, though that is not the subject of this thread.)

Buying the Hawaiian raw is a gamble unless you are a true expert in this coin. I'm not an expert and would not buy one raw.

Broadstruck · September 10, 2019 7:51AM

The Hawaiian is fake...

I'm hoping the Lincoln which has been cleaned and re-toned is legit so you are almost financially whole

crazyhounddog · September 10, 2019 8:14AM

A great learning thread. I’m not a commemorative expert so of course I’m learning as we go too.
The letters in the close up show a strong difference. So now I’m leaning fake as well.
Welcome to the forum.

Insider2 · September 10, 2019 8:49AM

@CoinNovice said:
hmm. Xrf Analyzer said its silver. Weighs Correctly. I work at a coin shop.
How much more do i need to do?
All i wanted to do was share

Thanks for sharing. You work in a coin shop so you, the balance and the Analyzer can't be wrong. I guess we'll learn if a counterfeit coin can be both made of silver and weigh correctly in a month or more when you get them back.

Insider2 · September 10, 2019 9:03AM

@CoinNovice said:
Last picture before it’s off boys!

I hate to say this- really. The Hawaiian has picked up many of the diagnostics found on genuine pieces. This indicates it may be a much better fake than any of the crude JUNK sold on Ali Express such as that obvious "across-the-room" replica Lincoln 50c posted above. Hopefully for everyone, it will be genuine; but under the circumstances it's a long shot. Especially when examining the magnified image near the edge of the coin. "Nothing looks right."

The Lincoln he bought looks OK in the image but it is in bad company.

Counterfeits tend to improve in steps. Each step that occurs is usually a big jump in quality. Sometimes the state-of-the-art examples at the beginning of each jump are passed as genuine for a time until finally detected. I hope these are found to be genuine so we can rest for awhile awaiting the next big jump.

PS I'm editing my comments as I read through the discussion. The Hawaiian is obviously heavily buffed.

CoinNovice · September 10, 2019 9:20AM

Im going to be honest, I Spend/Waste alot more on other things.
This was a $100 gamble. I want to be right, but could be wrong.
But as far as a digital scare and XRF being wrong, is unlikely.
I am 29 years old, Just started my own collection, but have been collecting coins
with my father since i was 18. I am always willing to learn and educate myself.
i will take the PCGS gamble and send them off today.
All in all, i was excited for my find.

Im sending 5 coins out today with the 2 commemorative half dollars.
We shall see soon i will for sure post the update.

Insider2 · September 10, 2019 9:23AM

@Justacommeman said:
An inexpensive digital scale could save the OP some postage and grading fees.

The first thing the PCGS graders will do is weigh it I assume

mark

Probably not. Those guys are good! The first thing they will do is know in a few seconds if it is a counterfeit shortly after they remove it from its flip! The buffing might add the necessity of using a magnifier.

CoinNovice · September 10, 2019 11:52AM

15 days boys.

1630Boston · September 10, 2019 12:00PM

You are speedy, good luck with your submission
Boston MDCXXX

CoinNovice · September 10, 2019 12:02PM

@1630Boston said:
You are speedy, good luck with your submission
Boston MDCXXX

Thank you!
It had to get done

lkeigwin · September 10, 2019 12:03PM

@JBK said:

@Goldminers said:
A close-up may be helpful.

I am not liking those letters...

The top pic is rather poor. A better comparison is OP's latest photos. It probably won't change anyone's mind but here you go.
Lance.

CoinNovice · September 10, 2019 12:05PM

@lkeigwin said:

@JBK said:

@Goldminers said:
A close-up may be helpful.

I am not liking those letters...

The top pic is rather poor. A better comparison is OP's latest photos. It probably won't change anyone's mind but here you go.
Lance.

I know, i know,
call me Naive, or whatever the case may be.
i Like this hobby. I believe im passionate about it.
I have no other explanation on why i sent it in
other than saying its a hobby.
The thrill of it gets me going.
I love it!

EDIT: I appreciate you guys teaching me and informing me.
im excited and eager to learn more.
thank you guys.

LindeDad · September 10, 2019 12:08PM

Neither appear to be silver to me. Have seen a lot of tarnish but just looks off.

Hemispherical · September 10, 2019 12:23PM

@CoinNovice

If it comes back slabbed or bagged with a code, here are the definitions.

https://www.pcgs.com/grades (click on “No Grades”)

JBK · September 10, 2019 12:30PM

@CoinNovice said:
I know, i know,
call me Naive, or whatever the case may be.
i Like this hobby. I believe im passionate about it.
I have no other explanation on why i sent it in
other than saying its a hobby.
The thrill of it gets me going.
I love it!

Hey, as far as I am concerned you are already way ahead of 99% of the newer posters who have big finds that generate skepticism. At least you had the guts to send the coins in to be graded, and to keep everyone updated.

I wish I had a dime for every time someone had a disputed coin that they said they were going to send in and then we never hear from them again.

CoinNovice · September 10, 2019 12:42PM

Nothing but time now

JBK · September 10, 2019 1:14PM

Yikes - that expected arrival time on the morning of 9/11 gave me shivers....

CoinNovice · September 10, 2019 1:16PM

@JBK said:

@CoinNovice said:
I know, i know,
call me Naive, or whatever the case may be.
i Like this hobby. I believe im passionate about it.
I have no other explanation on why i sent it in
other than saying its a hobby.
The thrill of it gets me going.
I love it!

Hey, as far as I am concerned you are already way ahead of 99% of the newer posters who have big finds that generate skepticism. At least you had the guts to send the coins in to be graded, and to keep everyone updated.

I wish I had a dime for every time someone had a disputed coin that they said they were going to send in and then we never hear from them again.

thats part of why i sent it in. i dont want to be another "arrogant" New guy.
i actually want to learn and see how i can better my eye at this.
I saw so many people posting about error coins that are clearly damaged.
They state they are sending it in, but never do.
Im breaking that statistic

CoinNovice · September 10, 2019 1:17PM

@JBK said:
Yikes - that expected arrival time on the morning of 9/11 gave me shivers....

wow, i didnt even see that...

Im excited to share my new half dollars! *with results!

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