Thank you Coin Novice for keeping us updated. You are providing a great service to the board with this thread, and with your promise to let us know either way. You are head and shoulders above a lot of new posters, that insist they know better than some of the category experts on this board. It is just amazing the knowledge some of these experts on this board have.
@Tomthecoinguy said:
Thank you Coin Novice for keeping us updated. You are providing a great service to the board with this thread, and with your promise to let us know either way. You are head and shoulders above a lot of new posters, that insist they now better than some of the category experts on this board. It is just amazing the knowledge some of thes experts on this board have.
Of course!
Thank you for the kind words!
i cannot wait to see the results, until then,
we wait!
Huh. I always use their PO Box address: Collectors Universe / P.O. Box 9458 / Newport Beach, CA 92658. I believe that's what the submission form cites. Probably unimportant.
Tip: Don't use the full name, "Collectors Universe" in the future. "CU" is better. Never tempt the postal handlers with any indication something valuable is inside.
Lance.
Huh. I always use their PO Box address: Collectors Universe / P.O. Box 9458 / Newport Beach, CA 92658. I believe that's what the submission form cites. Probably unimportant.
Tip: Don't use the full name, "Collectors Universe" in the future. "CU" is better. Never tempt the postal handlers with any indication something valuable is inside.
Lance.
Wow, thank you for the tip!
i hadn't thought about that.
and that address is for their overnight. i want it back, ASAP
@CoinNovice said:
Im going to be honest, I Spend/Waste alot more on other things.
This was a $100 gamble. I want to be right, but could be wrong.
But as far as a digital scare and XRF being wrong, is unlikely.
I am 29 years old, Just started my own collection, but have been collecting coins
with my father since i was 18. I am always willing to learn and educate myself.
i will take the PCGS gamble and send them off today.
All in all, i was excited for my find.
Im sending 5 coins out today with the 2 commemorative half dollars.
We shall see soon i will for sure post the update.
Congrats on the score - you will have a little more than another $100 into the pair with shipping/grading
I do not believe FedEx will deliver to a PO Box. I have always sent mine USPS small Flat Rate box with plenty of tape and well packed (but it does sometimes take a week from delivery until entered system).
Having the benefit of reading the entire thread first, the surfaces don't look right & even if the coins are polished - the "look" just doesn't look right to me for a polished 90% silver commem.
The lettering closeups seem to be a confirmation that the Hawaiian half is wrong.
I admire your willingness to learn more.
Q: Are You Printing Money? Bernanke: Not Literally
@CoinNovice said:
Im going to be honest, I Spend/Waste alot more on other things.
This was a $100 gamble. I want to be right, but could be wrong.
But as far as a digital scare and XRF being wrong, is unlikely.
I am 29 years old, Just started my own collection, but have been collecting coins
with my father since i was 18. I am always willing to learn and educate myself.
i will take the PCGS gamble and send them off today.
All in all, i was excited for my find.
Im sending 5 coins out today with the 2 commemorative half dollars.
We shall see soon i will for sure post the update.
Please allow me to be very brash - often my preferred mood. Here are some things we all should consider.
By the early 1980's some professional authenticators' quit weighing or running specific gravity tests for their composition on 99.9% of the coins they examined because the deceptive counterfeits were identical in those respects to the genuine coins. It became a waste of time. I still get a chuckle anytime one of my coworkers puts a very crude, not deceptive in the least, counterfeit coin on his scale to confirm an eye-ball opinion!
So: "But as far as a digital scare and XRF being wrong, is unlikely." Don't bet on it. Both tools are USELESS on a deceptive modern counterfeit. You have absolutely no clue how good counterfeits have become.
you know, i really came to this forum to learn.
not to be made fun of or have subliminal messages on
other threads.
This is upsetting that one has to go through this just to be
a part of a coin forum.
i thought i was the young one, i was wrong.
Ill be posting the result of this when it comes in.
Cheers guys, thanks to the ones that actually helped.
@CoinNovice said:
you know, i really came to this forum to learn.
not to be made fun of or have subliminal messages on
other threads.
This is upsetting that one has to go through this just to be
a part of a coin forum.
i thought i was the young one, i was wrong.
Ill be posting the result of this when it comes in.
Cheers guys, thanks to the ones that actually helped.
You're welcome!
[It was a joke on the other thread. Lighten up!]
No one made fun of you. I spent more time on this than anyone. It's only my conclusion that upsets you. You are free to ignore it. But concluding that the coin is likely fake is not "making fun" of anyone.
@CoinNovice said:
you know, i really came to this forum to learn.
not to be made fun of or have subliminal messages on
other threads.
This is upsetting that one has to go through this just to be
a part of a coin forum.
i thought i was the young one, i was wrong.
Ill be posting the result of this when it comes in.
Cheers guys, thanks to the ones that actually helped.
You're welcome!
[It was a joke on the other thread. Lighten up!]
No one made fun of you. I spent more time on this than anyone. It's only my conclusion that upsets you. You are free to ignore it. But concluding that the coin is likely fake is not "making fun" of anyone.
@CoinNovice said:
you know, i really came to this forum to learn.
not to be made fun of or have subliminal messages on
other threads.
This is upsetting that one has to go through this just to be
a part of a coin forum.
i thought i was the young one, i was wrong.
Ill be posting the result of this when it comes in.
Cheers guys, thanks to the ones that actually helped.
You're welcome!
[It was a joke on the other thread. Lighten up!]
No one made fun of you. I spent more time on this than anyone. It's only my conclusion that upsets you. You are free to ignore it. But concluding that the coin is likely fake is not "making fun" of anyone.
see as you want too.
Congrats man.
You won.
From my viewpoint, he and others went out of their way to help you. If you can’t see that now, hopefully you will, later.
Mark Feld* of Heritage Auctions*Unless otherwise noted, my posts here represent my personal opinions.
@CoinNovice said:
you know, i really came to this forum to learn.
not to be made fun of or have subliminal messages on
other threads.
This is upsetting that one has to go through this just to be
a part of a coin forum.
i thought i was the young one, i was wrong.
Ill be posting the result of this when it comes in.
Cheers guys, thanks to the ones that actually helped.
You're welcome!
[It was a joke on the other thread. Lighten up!]
No one made fun of you. I spent more time on this than anyone. It's only my conclusion that upsets you. You are free to ignore it. But concluding that the coin is likely fake is not "making fun" of anyone.
see as you want too.
Congrats man.
You won.
From my viewpoint, he and others went out of their way to help you. If you can’t see that now, hopefully you will, later.
he did help, but When he posted on another thread that they got a fake coin at the swapmeet referencing the thread i posted was a bit immature.
He can keep this topic on this thread and not take it somewhere else.
Kind of hard to when im seen as a joke.
Something i am very passionate about.
now its just a joke lol
Dude, it's not a joke. No one mocked you for buying the coin, we cautioned you about the possibility that it was a fake. We cautioned you about buying frequently counterfeited coins at a swap meet. You were the one who mentioned 3 times how much you loved swap meets. Of course, a Hawaiian from a swap meet raises eyebrows here.
I told you early on if you were happy with the coins, that's all that mattered. No one every called you ignorant or made fun of you or anything else. People suggested sending it in to be sure. I suggested looking hard at your coin and markers on genuine coins.
You want to learn, that's great! No one wants anything else. We're all hear to learn.
And, who knows, that coin might turn out to be good. There is a possibility. No perfect authentication can be done from photos unless it is a really bad fake.
Kind of hard to when im seen as a joke.
Something i am very passionate about.
now its just a joke lol
Dude, it's not a joke. No one mocked you for buying the coin, we cautioned you about the possibility that it was a fake. We cautioned you about buying frequently counterfeited coins at a swap meet. You were the one who mentioned 3 times how much you loved swap meets. Of course, a Hawaiian from a swap meet raises eyebrows here.
I told you early on if you were happy with the coins, that's all that mattered. No one every called you ignorant or made fun of you or anything else. People suggested sending it in to be sure. I suggested looking hard at your coin and markers on genuine coins.
You want to learn, that's great! No one wants anything else. We're all hear to learn.
And, who knows, that coin might turn out to be good. There is a possibility. No perfect authentication can be done from photos unless it is a really bad fake.
Yea, you didn’t make fun of it on this thread, just a different one. Just drop it. It’s ok. Thank you for your help, and I mean it
CoinNovice , I hope your coins become treasures for you.
Going back into U.S. Coin Forum history, a decade ago now......In the inimitable words of the BongoBongo..........
"REMEMBER THAT OLD COIN IS ONLY WORTH FEW DOLLARS IN PHYSICAL MATERIAL VALUE - THIS IS WHY VALUE IS AN ESOTERIC CONCEPT IN MANY WAYS AND IT MAY BE VULGAR TO ASSIGN ANY MONETARY VALUE TO OLD COIN UNLESS YOU ARE A RUSSIAN OLIGARCH OR CHINESE SHODDY GOODS FACTORY OWNER"
I commend you for sending the coins in for grading. Lessons learned now will possibly change how you buy in the future. There is nothing worse than having a collector accumulate 20 years of stuff to then find out most of what they have been buying is .... (polished, cleaned, artificially toned, whizzed, counterfeit, over-graded AUs as BUs, ....)
I implore the OP to please look at the "S" in states and the "O" in of from the reverse of the Lincoln commemorative. This and other obvious tells will confirm your coin is a fake, albeit a decent silver counterfeit. Now, if this was purchasing alongside the Hawaiin it is then apparent it too is a fake (although it also has its giveaways) as really, if the swapmeet seller sold you one single fake it is safe to believe it and others are also counterfeit.
Looks like if nothing else you got the hot thread of the week.
I tend to learn more when I am wrong than when I am right.
My Grandpa used to say "The fastest way to learn something is to put some cash in it"
The coin could turn out to be one of your favorites no matter the outcome.
PCGS has rejected over 18K counterfeits in the last 12 months. Don't feel like you are "seen as a joke" or being foolish. You are not alone and there are many counterfeits on the market, some are very good and hard to detect.
The several hundred you spend today may save you several thousand in the future. Education is priceless.
The amount you are in this could easily be lost in a casino and called entertainment.
For the record I am in the fake/counterfeit camp but I would love to be wrong because "I tend to learn more when I am wrong than when I am right" and a swap meet cherrypick would be great.
@ifthevamzarockin said:
Looks like if nothing else you got the hot thread of the week.
I tend to learn more when I am wrong than when I am right.
My Grandpa used to say "The fastest way to learn something is to put some cash in it"
The coin could turn out to be one of your favorites no matter the outcome.
PCGS has rejected over 18K counterfeits in the last 12 months. Don't feel like you are "seen as a joke" or being foolish. You are not alone and there are many counterfeits on the market, some are very good and hard to detect.
The several hundred you spend today may save you several thousand in the future. Education is priceless.
The amount you are in this could easily be lost in a casino and called entertainment.
For the record I am in the fake/counterfeit camp but I would love to be wrong because "I tend to learn more when I am wrong than when I am right" and a swap meet cherrypick would be great.
In grad school, we had a saying: experience gained is directly proportional to equipment broken
I appreciate everyone’s words. I like learning and having the experience. And like he said, casinos or entertainment. The 300 I spent was just for educational purposes. My personal reasonings. I’m very excited to learn and grow as a coin collector. Thank you all for your help. I do appreciate it and ready to grow As a numismatist
Thank you guys
Three pages in before I took a look at this thread. I kind of cringed when I saw the Hawaiian. My advice is to prepare for some bad news from our hosts and enter this deal in the tuition paid column. Unfortunately, the person that sold these to you won't feel the same pain.
if it comes back genuine, sweet, and if not, still sweet. I’m doing all of this for the learning aspect of it. I might be wrong for sending in a fake coin. I understand, but frankly it just gives PCGS more money to run this forum
Im doing this all for fun guys.
P.s. I live in a major city like I said, our flea market is the size of one of your shopping malls. Easily last a good 4 hours looking at junk. Someone had a bag of coins they had passed down. They just sold for what they asked, I won’t argue with them about the price.
Like I said, when I take my wife out, I spend the same. So it’s just me paying tuition lol
@TwoSides2aCoin said:
Welcome home. We're kind of dysfunctional, bro. I , for one , Love your enthusiasm and generosity in "sharing". It's a good 'hood, here.
We’re kind of dysfunctional...... kind of an understatement
Collector of randomness. Photographer at PCGS. Lover of Harry Potter.
@CoinNovice said:
you know, i really came to this forum to learn.
not to be made fun of or have subliminal messages on
other threads.
This is upsetting that one has to go through this just to be
a part of a coin forum.
i thought i was the young one, i was wrong.
Ill be posting the result of this when it comes in.
Cheers guys, thanks to the ones that actually helped.
You're welcome!
[It was a joke on the other thread. Lighten up!]
No one made fun of you. I spent more time on this than anyone. It's only my conclusion that upsets you. You are free to ignore it. But concluding that the coin is likely fake is not "making fun" of anyone.
see as you want too.
Congrats man.
You won.
On one thread you LOL at his comment and on another you feel abused? Something does not add up.
BTW, If those coins turn out to be decent fakes, I'm pretty sure you can sell the pair for $100 as many folks have reference sets of counterfeits. To can even donate them to the ANA for Summer Seminar.
@CoinNovice said:
I appreciate everyone’s words. I like learning and having the experience. And like he said, casinos or entertainment. The 300 I spent was just for educational purposes. My personal reasonings. I’m very excited to learn and grow as a coin collector. Thank you all for your help. I do appreciate it and ready to grow As a numismatist
Thank you guys
I'm sure I missed something. How does the $300 fit in?
@CoinNovice said:
I appreciate everyone’s words. I like learning and having the experience. And like he said, casinos or entertainment. The 300 I spent was just for educational purposes. My personal reasonings. I’m very excited to learn and grow as a coin collector. Thank you all for your help. I do appreciate it and ready to grow As a numismatist
Thank you guys
I'm sure I missed something. How does the $300 fit in?
Total cost of purchase and slab fees. So, it's the total cost of the experiment
Comments
Thank you Coin Novice for keeping us updated. You are providing a great service to the board with this thread, and with your promise to let us know either way. You are head and shoulders above a lot of new posters, that insist they know better than some of the category experts on this board. It is just amazing the knowledge some of these experts on this board have.
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@CoinNovice
When you post the results....no matter what they are..............I will send you a gift
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Bad transactions with : nobody to date
I've never used an emoji in my life but, if that popcorn one was still available, I'd put it out there...
Smitten with DBLCs.
Of course!
Thank you for the kind words!
i cannot wait to see the results, until then,
we wait!
p.s.: im very eager to learn from everyone!
Thank you, I appreciate the kind words as a gift.
you dont have to
But again i thank you
Huh. I always use their PO Box address: Collectors Universe / P.O. Box 9458 / Newport Beach, CA 92658. I believe that's what the submission form cites. Probably unimportant.
Tip: Don't use the full name, "Collectors Universe" in the future. "CU" is better. Never tempt the postal handlers with any indication something valuable is inside.
Lance.
Wow, thank you for the tip!
i hadn't thought about that.
and that address is for their overnight. i want it back, ASAP
Congrats on the score - you will have a little more than another $100 into the pair with shipping/grading
I do not believe FedEx will deliver to a PO Box. I have always sent mine USPS small Flat Rate box with plenty of tape and well packed (but it does sometimes take a week from delivery until entered system).
May help or not but the use of initials might be better on the package, i.e., PCGS vs Professional Coin Grading Service and CU vs Collectors Universe.
An ounce of prevention sort of thing...
What are you spending on grading and mailing both ways?
$228 for grading, 5 coins at $35 a piece
and $36 for shipping.
Trust me. my wife isnt too happy either.
haha
Having the benefit of reading the entire thread first, the surfaces don't look right & even if the coins are polished - the "look" just doesn't look right to me for a polished 90% silver commem.
The lettering closeups seem to be a confirmation that the Hawaiian half is wrong.
I admire your willingness to learn more.
I knew it would happen.
A MS67 from Coin Facts.
The F in 'half' on that coin facts pic looks very close to the OP. A $50 score though on this is tough to swallow. Too many differences.
Please allow me to be very brash - often my preferred mood. Here are some things we all should consider.
By the early 1980's some professional authenticators' quit weighing or running specific gravity tests for their composition on 99.9% of the coins they examined because the deceptive counterfeits were identical in those respects to the genuine coins. It became a waste of time. I still get a chuckle anytime one of my coworkers puts a very crude, not deceptive in the least, counterfeit coin on his scale to confirm an eye-ball opinion!
So: "But as far as a digital scare and XRF being wrong, is unlikely." Don't bet on it. Both tools are USELESS on a deceptive modern counterfeit. You have absolutely no clue how good counterfeits have become.
!
The coin is HEAVILY buffed.
You should call CS once it has been received and change it to the quarterly special, it will save you $35 on those 5 coins!
Collector, occasional seller
Thank you. i appreciate that.
you know, i really came to this forum to learn.
not to be made fun of or have subliminal messages on
other threads.
This is upsetting that one has to go through this just to be
a part of a coin forum.
i thought i was the young one, i was wrong.
Ill be posting the result of this when it comes in.
Cheers guys, thanks to the ones that actually helped.
You're welcome!
[It was a joke on the other thread. Lighten up!]
No one made fun of you. I spent more time on this than anyone. It's only my conclusion that upsets you. You are free to ignore it. But concluding that the coin is likely fake is not "making fun" of anyone.
If one of them turns out to be fake, it is like it didn't cost you anything ...
see as you want too.
Congrats man.
You won.
From my viewpoint, he and others went out of their way to help you. If you can’t see that now, hopefully you will, later.
Mark Feld* of Heritage Auctions*Unless otherwise noted, my posts here represent my personal opinions.
he did help, but When he posted on another thread that they got a fake coin at the swapmeet referencing the thread i posted was a bit immature.
He can keep this topic on this thread and not take it somewhere else.
regardless! haha its all for fun.
Keep the faith @CoinNovice
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Bad transactions with : nobody to date
Kind of hard to when im seen as a joke.
Something i am very passionate about.
now its just a joke lol
Concentrate on the 'coin' at hand, take a break from the perceived negative, and see what happens.
Learn from the positive and learn more from any negative .
Just Learn and then teach what you have learned to others.
Let us know the results.
Boston MDCXXX
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Bad transactions with : nobody to date
Thank you, Boston,
I will sure let you guys know.
Till then.
CN
Dude, it's not a joke.> @CoinNovice said:
Dude, it's not a joke. No one mocked you for buying the coin, we cautioned you about the possibility that it was a fake. We cautioned you about buying frequently counterfeited coins at a swap meet. You were the one who mentioned 3 times how much you loved swap meets. Of course, a Hawaiian from a swap meet raises eyebrows here.
I told you early on if you were happy with the coins, that's all that mattered. No one every called you ignorant or made fun of you or anything else. People suggested sending it in to be sure. I suggested looking hard at your coin and markers on genuine coins.
You want to learn, that's great! No one wants anything else. We're all hear to learn.
And, who knows, that coin might turn out to be good. There is a possibility. No perfect authentication can be done from photos unless it is a really bad fake.
Yea, you didn’t make fun of it on this thread, just a different one. Just drop it. It’s ok. Thank you for your help, and I mean it
CoinNovice , I hope your coins become treasures for you.
Going back into U.S. Coin Forum history, a decade ago now......In the inimitable words of the BongoBongo..........
"REMEMBER THAT OLD COIN IS ONLY WORTH FEW DOLLARS IN PHYSICAL MATERIAL VALUE - THIS IS WHY VALUE IS AN ESOTERIC CONCEPT IN MANY WAYS AND IT MAY BE VULGAR TO ASSIGN ANY MONETARY VALUE TO OLD COIN UNLESS YOU ARE A RUSSIAN OLIGARCH OR CHINESE SHODDY GOODS FACTORY OWNER"
BongoBongo
The Good News is that PCGS Grades coins fast these days..... maybe less than a 10 business day turnaround. Best of luck
I commend you for sending the coins in for grading. Lessons learned now will possibly change how you buy in the future. There is nothing worse than having a collector accumulate 20 years of stuff to then find out most of what they have been buying is .... (polished, cleaned, artificially toned, whizzed, counterfeit, over-graded AUs as BUs, ....)
I implore the OP to please look at the "S" in states and the "O" in of from the reverse of the Lincoln commemorative. This and other obvious tells will confirm your coin is a fake, albeit a decent silver counterfeit. Now, if this was purchasing alongside the Hawaiin it is then apparent it too is a fake (although it also has its giveaways) as really, if the swapmeet seller sold you one single fake it is safe to believe it and others are also counterfeit.
Looks like if nothing else you got the hot thread of the week.
I tend to learn more when I am wrong than when I am right.
My Grandpa used to say "The fastest way to learn something is to put some cash in it"
The coin could turn out to be one of your favorites no matter the outcome.
PCGS has rejected over 18K counterfeits in the last 12 months. Don't feel like you are "seen as a joke" or being foolish. You are not alone and there are many counterfeits on the market, some are very good and hard to detect.
The several hundred you spend today may save you several thousand in the future. Education is priceless.
The amount you are in this could easily be lost in a casino and called entertainment.
For the record I am in the fake/counterfeit camp but I would love to be wrong because "I tend to learn more when I am wrong than when I am right" and a swap meet cherrypick would be great.
In grad school, we had a saying: experience gained is directly proportional to equipment broken
Successful transactions with : MICHAELDIXON, Manorcourtman, Bochiman, bolivarshagnasty, AUandAG, onlyroosies, chumley, Weiss, jdimmick, BAJJERFAN, gene1978, TJM965, Smittys, GRANDAM, JTHawaii, mainejoe, softparade, derryb
Bad transactions with : nobody to date
Tuition being paid, like everyone else.
I appreciate everyone’s words. I like learning and having the experience. And like he said, casinos or entertainment. The 300 I spent was just for educational purposes. My personal reasonings. I’m very excited to learn and grow as a coin collector. Thank you all for your help. I do appreciate it and ready to grow As a numismatist
Thank you guys
Three pages in before I took a look at this thread. I kind of cringed when I saw the Hawaiian. My advice is to prepare for some bad news from our hosts and enter this deal in the tuition paid column. Unfortunately, the person that sold these to you won't feel the same pain.
Keeper of the VAM Catalog • Professional Coin Imaging • Prime Number Set • World Coins in Early America • British Trade Dollars • Variety Attribution
Just for the record, Nice, raw coins can be found at flea markets.
The Red Book is one of the most common books in America, after the Holy Bible itself.
Yes, there are nice coins at flea markets, but not often priced at one-twentieth of the proper price. Vendors overwhelmingly know what is what.
if it comes back genuine, sweet, and if not, still sweet. I’m doing all of this for the learning aspect of it. I might be wrong for sending in a fake coin. I understand, but frankly it just gives PCGS more money to run this forum
Im doing this all for fun guys.
P.s. I live in a major city like I said, our flea market is the size of one of your shopping malls. Easily last a good 4 hours looking at junk. Someone had a bag of coins they had passed down. They just sold for what they asked, I won’t argue with them about the price.
Like I said, when I take my wife out, I spend the same. So it’s just me paying tuition lol
@CoinNovice good luck and Happy learning as well as collecting. @jmlanzaf thank you for your time to let us learn the difference.
Welcome home. We're kind of dysfunctional, bro. I , for one , Love your enthusiasm and generosity in "sharing". It's a good 'hood, here.
We’re kind of dysfunctional...... kind of an understatement
Collector of randomness. Photographer at PCGS. Lover of Harry Potter.
On one thread you LOL at his comment and on another you feel abused? Something does not add up.
BTW, If those coins turn out to be decent fakes, I'm pretty sure you can sell the pair for $100 as many folks have reference sets of counterfeits. To can even donate them to the ANA for Summer Seminar.
I'm sure I missed something. How does the $300 fit in?
Total cost of purchase and slab fees. So, it's the total cost of the experiment