@Stuart said: S.S. Central America - Treasure Recovery Photo
A number of coins in that photo also exhibit significant toning from their exposure in the sea water. Are there other examples from SS Central America that posses this type of toning?
@amwldcoin said:
I can tell you! The net is not neutral anymore and neither is this forum. I thought it was a way to see what the lurkers thought about the coin since it was so controversial! I'm sure most here know who had the thread Poofed!
@Cameonut said:
What happened to the @amwldcoin poll? The debate was quite entertaining and was educational for us no-nothings (description from the all-knowings).
I submit to the forum that most of us are not no-nothings and know for sure when they are being fleeced, or at least hyped. Apparently this was contrary to the "all knowings" who have enough power and connections to tell PCGS was speech is "allowed" as their feelings are hurt. Suppression of free speech as I see it.
Sound familiar on the national stage? I won't go there......
The poll was fine. The title was horsecrapola. I have no idea who got it poofed
Let me be the first to say I was the first to say the entire poll thread was intended as trolling.
"People sleep peaceably in their beds at night only because rough men stand ready to do violence on their behalf." - Geo. Orwell
@Zoins said:
Do any other coins in the hoard have a similar look?
I've been looking with no success. As I posted before, this coin was not conserved for at least TWO reasons. Its unique pattern of color was probably the major reason. .
@Zoins said:
Do any other coins in the hoard have a similar look?
I've been looking with no success. As I posted before, this coin was not conserved for at least TWO reasons. Its unique pattern of color was probably the major reason. .
It is interesting if every single other coin was conserved.
@Zoins said:
Do any other coins in the hoard have a similar look?
I've been looking with no success. As I posted before, this coin was not conserved for at least TWO reasons. Its unique pattern of color was probably the major reason. .
It is interesting if every single other coin was conserved.
This is a coin that Should NEVER be conserved. We are very lucky Mr. Evans (?) used good judgement. He knows his stuff.
@Zoins said:
Do any other coins in the hoard have a similar look?
I've been looking with no success. As I posted before, this coin was not conserved for at least TWO reasons. Its unique pattern of color was probably the major reason. .
It is interesting if every single other coin was conserved.
This is a coin that Should NEVER be conserved. We are very lucky Mr. Evens (?) used good judgement. He knows his stuff.
I'm not disagreeing with that. I'm wondering why every other coin was conserved. Were none of them worthy, even partially?
@Zoins said:
Do any other coins in the hoard have a similar look?
I've been looking with no success. As I posted before, this coin was not conserved for at least TWO reasons. Its unique pattern of color was probably the major reason. .
It is interesting if every single other coin was conserved.
This is a coin that Should NEVER be conserved. We are very lucky Mr. Evens (?) used good judgement. He knows his stuff.
I'm not disagreeing with that. I'm wondering why every other coin was conserved. Were none of them worthy, even partially?
I have conserved gold from wrecks. Most have a crust from a very dark rust, through, orange and lighter yellow-tan. I've never seen one with this coloration (an oil-like slick of iridescent color).
I think most of the coins from this find were blazing, new strikes just as the "Golden Egg." Perhaps most of them had fewer contact marks. There are few things in this world more attractive (not that girl's Butt either) than a $20 Liberty with blazing full luster. The subject of this thread is considered to be one of them by many numismatic authorities. The price it sold for proves it!
...If you include T3, 96-S, 97-S, 98-S, 99-S, 02-S, 04, 05-S, 06-S and 07-D.
Lucky 13!
Seems all of the Type 3 S mints listed above are from the Eliasberg 1982 auction. There are 2 1897-S 67's listed in the population and might be two different coins. Seem to recall an Akers auction in one the 1980's Apostrophe sales that had one he called 67 and the equal of the Eliasberg coin.
The 1907-D does not seem to match the 1982 Eliasberg photo but it can be hard to tell for certain. For some odd reason I have been tracking reappearances of coins from the 1982 gold sale for a long time. May eventually post all the info gathered on the message boards here.
"To Be Esteemed Be Useful" - 1792 Birch Cent --- "I personally think we developed language because of our deep need to complain." - Lily Tomlin
Zion’s yes to a much lesser degree
See Cal Fractional gold piece
PCGS Coin Facts Cert 35446542
BG 106 there is some blue present
Spec 675526
Remember the 2014 salvage in part
covered areas of the wreck previously unsalvaged The so called
Garden of Gold contained the main
commercial shipment hundreds
of gold assay bars and thousands of double eagles some still in
row formation i.e. the ship’s
treasure vault . This was the main target decades ago.
Unquestionably the 2014 salvage
effort recovered a lot of passenger’s
gold. Some of these folks like John Fell and Chilion Moore came in
from the goldfields and received
Double Eagles for their gold deposits from the SFBM
in the days leading up to the
Sonora’s departure from SF on
August 20th 1857.
@ColonelJessup For a second there when first quickly reading your post I thought you were going to tell me that you were once trolled by Heather Locklear! 😉🤣😂
@ColonelJessup said:
Feed your Inner Troll. Don't we all?
I believe I was actually trolled by @HeatherBoyd once, though she was mostly serious.
As a secondary gain, trolling is, at times, a way to seek out signs of intelligent life in the Universe.
Props
Stuart
Collect 18th & 19th Century US Type Coins, Silver Dollars, $20 Gold Double Eagles and World Crowns & Talers with High Eye Appeal
"Luck is what happens when Preparation meets Opportunity"
Heather Locklear, Britney Spears, Mel Gibson, Heath Ledger, etc. - Eye appealing on the outside (after being made "presentable"), yet troubled on the inside.
Of course Numismatists, regardless of age, appearance, intelligence, etc. will always be viewed as "odd" and "geeky" by the general population.
Too bad that the recently completed "The Big Bang Theory" did not have Sheldon Cooper be a Numismatist who played in the hobby while doing his science thing.
An episode of that show centered around Sheldon Cooper and his friends attending a Long Beach show could have been very entertaining.
I've known Dwight since he was 15. He is still a dyed-in-the-wool coin geek and he is full of ooohs and aaahs for pretty things. and, like most people with great eyes, he is strongly attuned to pattern-recognition. If he hadn't made his first millions before he had a chanced to take astronomy, he would have found a less expressive yet more technically correct way to express how his eyes exploded.
This gold coin is an outlier in terms of toning to a degree "orders of magnitude" beyond what previous experience with sea-salvage could prepare us for. It serves well as another meme for The Ship of Gold, and smacks you over the head with the intensity with which it announces it's unlikely existence.
I could go and on,
It is unique.
It is virtuously beautiful beautifully virtuous in an way recalled in "Ode to a Grecian Urn".
I simply don't find it pretty.
Truth is, like @Lakesammman, if I had an extra $5 mill hanging around for a week or two, I'd likely think nothing of paying an extra $100K for the coolness.
"People sleep peaceably in their beds at night only because rough men stand ready to do violence on their behalf." - Geo. Orwell
@ColonelJessup said:
As a secondary gain, trolling is, at times, a way to seek out signs of intelligent life in the Universe.
Or fish in the sea?
PS Although these three choices are each unique and "beauty" is a personal preference, I'd rather spend a weekend with either Heather than with the 200K $20 Liberty.
@ColonelJessup said:
As a secondary gain, trolling is, at times, a way to seek out signs of intelligent life in the Universe.
Or fish in the sea?
What's the porpoise of that remark?
It is very fishy. Quit baiting him. Just reel him in already. Trying to beat CaptHenway before he “weighs” in.
m
Walker Proof Digital Album Fellas, leave the tight pants to the ladies. If I can count the coins in your pockets you better use them to call a tailor. Stay thirsty my friends......
That raises an interesting poll question for those of us who don't matter: For $270K, would you rather own perhaps the one "best" 1857-S $20 or 18 brilliant 1857-S coins graded MS-65's from the same wreck? This may not be such an obviously simple answer.
(Just to get in on this...)
For me? $270K, I'd buy me a house...
~HABE FIDUCIAM IN DOMINO III V VI / III XVI~ POST NUBILA PHOEBUS / AFTER CLOUDS, SUN Love for Music / Collector of Dreck
To each his own. Several people liked the Supernova enough to bid on it. And I had two guys who had personal issues and could not bid (divorces) who really wanted it and cried like the babies they are......
Jessup, FYI: I did try freakin gummys (I have some health problems), hell, I'll never touch another one. yuck. and did I pass out.
@Zoins said:
Do any other coins in the hoard have a similar look?
I've been looking with no success. As I posted before, this coin was not conserved for at least TWO reasons. Its unique pattern of color was probably the major reason. .
It is interesting if every single other coin was conserved.
This is a coin that Should NEVER be conserved. We are very lucky Mr. Evens (?) used good judgement. He knows his stuff.
I'm not disagreeing with that. I'm wondering why every other coin was conserved. Were none of them worthy, even partially?
I have conserved gold from wrecks. Most have a crust from a very dark rust, through, orange and lighter yellow-tan. I've never seen one with this coloration (an oil-like slick of iridescent color).
I think most of the coins from this find were blazing, new strikes just as the "Golden Egg." Perhaps most of them had fewer contact marks. There are few things in this world more attractive (not that girl's Butt either) than a $20 Liberty with blazing full luster. The subject of this thread is considered to be one of them by many numismatic authorities. The price it sold for proves it!
@specialist said:
To each his own. Several people liked the Supernova enough to bid on it. And I had two guys who had personal issues and could not bid (divorces) who really wanted it and cried like the babies they are......
Number #1 buying tip for a great collection - don't get divorced?!
I wonder if the ones able to bid were married or single/divorced?
@specialist said:
To each his own. Several people liked the Supernova enough to bid on it. And I had two guys who had personal issues and could not bid (divorces) who really wanted it and cried like the babies they are......
Jessup, FYI: I did try freakin gummys (I have some health problems), hell, I'll never touch another one. yuck. and did I pass out.
I've been bugging you about your health for 15 years and maybe the only thing I know more about than coins and sushi is cannabinoids and cannabidiols.
Just 'cause I got high with the Dead and David Crosby (oh yeah, and Barry McGuire) 50+ years ago (Casey Jones you better … ) doesn't mean you've got the head (or stomach) (or gall bladder) for it. I went to the same rehab as Steven Tyler
He would have warned you too.
The trick with Acapulco Gold on Bust Right $5's only worked twice (OK, a few dozen times) in the early days, though Panama Red on Newcomb Copper and (strangely) both S-mint Indian $10's and Classic Gold still gets through on occasion.
If Albanese can take my input on bad toning, the least you can do is remember that "the Doctor is (for you, always) in".
"People sleep peaceably in their beds at night only because rough men stand ready to do violence on their behalf." - Geo. Orwell
@specialist said:
To each his own. Several people liked the Supernova enough to bid on it. And I had two guys who had personal issues and could not bid (divorces) who really wanted it and cried like the babies they are......
Number #1 buying tip for a great collection - don't get divorced?!
I wonder if the ones able to bid were married or single/divorced?
@Zoins said:
Congrats to the Black Cat for picking this up!
is this coin part of a specific collection black cat is building or just a cool coin to own?
@specialist said:
To each his own. Several people liked the Supernova enough to bid on it. And I had two guys who had personal issues and could not bid (divorces) who really wanted it and cried like the babies they are......
Number #1 buying tip for a great collection - don't get divorced?!
I wonder if the ones able to bid were married or single/divorced?
@Zoins said:
Congrats to the Black Cat for picking this up!
is this coin part of a specific collection black cat is building or just a cool coin to own?
Hopefully Laura can answer. This is what she's said before:
The Supernova now is part of the Black Cat Collection, a world class set of coins being built exclusively by Legend. The collection’s owner adores the color and the romance of this coin because it is real California Gold Rush treasure that was recovered from more than 7,000 feet under the sea after 157 years.
If this coin really came off the ocean floor looking like that (and they have the pictures to prove it) why haven't they been released as part of marketing?
It would add so much to the conversation.
Dead Cat Waltz Exonumia
"Coin collecting for outcasts..."
@DCW said:
If this coin really came off the ocean floor looking like that (and they have the pictures to prove it) why haven't they been released as part of marketing?
It would add so much to the conversation.
It would likely show the rusted iron or other salvage metal that was responsible for the stains on the coin.
@DCW said:
If this coin really came off the ocean floor looking like that (and they have the pictures to prove it) why haven't they been released as part of marketing?
It would add so much to the conversation.
@DCW said:
If this coin really came off the ocean floor looking like that (and they have the pictures to prove it) why haven't they been released as part of marketing?
It would add so much to the conversation.
@DCW said:
If this coin really came off the ocean floor looking like that (and they have the pictures to prove it) why haven't they been released as part of marketing?
It would add so much to the conversation.
@DCW In reply to your above quoted post, I obtained the following public domain information about the S.S. Central America Treasure Recovery effort via Google search:
S.S. Central America - Treasure Recovery Photo
S.S. Central America Treasure👇Recovery Overview Video - (3 mins)
@DCW said:
If this coin really came off the ocean floor looking like that (and they have the pictures to prove it) why haven't they been released as part of marketing?
It would add so much to the conversation.
@DCW In reply to your above quoted post, I obtained the following public domain information about the S.S. Central America Treasure Recovery effort via Google search:
S.S. Central America - Treasure Recovery Photo
S.S. Central America Treasure👇Recovery Overview Video - (3 mins)
That video only shows the glamour shot for the Supernova which has been shared here. It's impossible to know if that was taken before or after what was called "treatment" in the video, but it seems reasonable to assume after.
@specialist said:
We are in talks w/the ANA to display it this summer
That would be awesome
Will it be kept in the gold pinch slab?
Seems like it would be classy if they did a single coin gold foil insert for it with the Black Cat provenance.
Even better to crack it out from the plastic, put it on a revolving (and tipping at the same time) display with very bright lights to show it off in all of its splendor.
@specialist said:
We are in talks w/the ANA to display it this summer
That would be awesome
Will it be kept in the gold pinch slab?
Seems like it would be classy if they did a single coin gold foil insert for it with the Black Cat provenance.
Even better to crack it out from the plastic, put it on a revolving (and tipping at the same time) display with very bright lights to show it off in all of its splendor.
Both of us came back from vacation a day too early
"People sleep peaceably in their beds at night only because rough men stand ready to do violence on their behalf." - Geo. Orwell
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S.S. Central America - Treasure Recovery Photo
Stuart
Collect 18th & 19th Century US Type Coins, Silver Dollars, $20 Gold Double Eagles and World Crowns & Talers with High Eye Appeal
"Luck is what happens when Preparation meets Opportunity"
A number of coins in that photo also exhibit significant toning from their exposure in the sea water. Are there other examples from SS Central America that posses this type of toning?
S.S. Central America Treasure👇Recovery Overview Video - (3 mins)
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=ik96BuMNXMQ
Stuart
Collect 18th & 19th Century US Type Coins, Silver Dollars, $20 Gold Double Eagles and World Crowns & Talers with High Eye Appeal
"Luck is what happens when Preparation meets Opportunity"
Let me be the first to say I was the first to say the entire poll thread was intended as trolling.
Do any other coins in the hoard have a similar look?
@ColonelJessup Just to clarify, were you really The First to say that? 😉
Stuart
Collect 18th & 19th Century US Type Coins, Silver Dollars, $20 Gold Double Eagles and World Crowns & Talers with High Eye Appeal
"Luck is what happens when Preparation meets Opportunity"
I've been looking with no success. As I posted before, this coin was not conserved for at least TWO reasons. Its unique pattern of color was probably the major reason. .
They sure were stingy with that paltry pinch of gold. It is the supernova after all.
They couldn't spare a bit more gold for the display?
It is interesting if every single other coin was conserved.
This is a coin that Should NEVER be conserved. We are very lucky Mr. Evans (?) used good judgement. He knows his stuff.
I'm not disagreeing with that. I'm wondering why every other coin was conserved. Were none of them worthy, even partially?
Probably not
. What's your point? 
I have conserved gold from wrecks. Most have a crust from a very dark rust, through, orange and lighter yellow-tan. I've never seen one with this coloration (an oil-like slick of iridescent color).
I think most of the coins from this find were blazing, new strikes just as the "Golden Egg." Perhaps most of them had fewer contact marks. There are few things in this world more attractive (not that girl's Butt either) than a $20 Liberty with blazing full luster. The subject of this thread is considered to be one of them by many numismatic authorities. The price it sold for proves it!
Does this sound familiar: Don't Feed the Troll!
Seems all of the Type 3 S mints listed above are from the Eliasberg 1982 auction. There are 2 1897-S 67's listed in the population and might be two different coins. Seem to recall an Akers auction in one the 1980's Apostrophe sales that had one he called 67 and the equal of the Eliasberg coin.
The 1907-D does not seem to match the 1982 Eliasberg photo but it can be hard to tell for certain. For some odd reason I have been tracking reappearances of coins from the 1982 gold sale for a long time. May eventually post all the info gathered on the message boards here.
"To Be Esteemed Be Useful" - 1792 Birch Cent --- "I personally think we developed language because of our deep need to complain." - Lily Tomlin
I poked the CJ Bear, who then Growled & Bit me.😁🤣😂LOL
Otherwise, I would have been disappointed...
Stuart
Collect 18th & 19th Century US Type Coins, Silver Dollars, $20 Gold Double Eagles and World Crowns & Talers with High Eye Appeal
"Luck is what happens when Preparation meets Opportunity"
Zion’s yes to a much lesser degree
See Cal Fractional gold piece
PCGS Coin Facts Cert 35446542
BG 106 there is some blue present
Spec 675526
Remember the 2014 salvage in part
covered areas of the wreck previously unsalvaged The so called
Garden of Gold contained the main
commercial shipment hundreds
of gold assay bars and thousands of double eagles some still in
row formation i.e. the ship’s
treasure vault . This was the main target decades ago.
Unquestionably the 2014 salvage
effort recovered a lot of passenger’s
gold. Some of these folks like John Fell and Chilion Moore came in
from the goldfields and received
Double Eagles for their gold deposits from the SFBM
in the days leading up to the
Sonora’s departure from SF on
August 20th 1857.
Feed your Inner Troll.
Don't we all? 
I believe I was actually trolled by @HeatherBoyd once, though she was mostly serious.
As a secondary gain, trolling is, at times, a way to seek out signs of intelligent life in the Universe.
Props
@ColonelJessup For a second there when first quickly reading your post I thought you were going to tell me that you were once trolled by Heather Locklear! 😉🤣😂
Stuart
Collect 18th & 19th Century US Type Coins, Silver Dollars, $20 Gold Double Eagles and World Crowns & Talers with High Eye Appeal
"Luck is what happens when Preparation meets Opportunity"
We could share each other's meds, poor kid
Apparently she still cleans up a whole lot better than I do
Did you know I'm being considered as a conservator for Britney Spears?
Did this thread die 10 posts ago and we just haven't noticed?
I don't have a TV. Did @specialist win the Iron Throne?
@ColonelJessup Yes it did!!
I was truly interested to see the Forum Member Poll Results from the other “SuperNova” thread.
I am still curious what the broader audience thinks about that coin...
Stuart
Collect 18th & 19th Century US Type Coins, Silver Dollars, $20 Gold Double Eagles and World Crowns & Talers with High Eye Appeal
"Luck is what happens when Preparation meets Opportunity"
Heather Locklear, Britney Spears, Mel Gibson, Heath Ledger, etc. - Eye appealing on the outside (after being made "presentable"), yet troubled on the inside.
Of course Numismatists, regardless of age, appearance, intelligence, etc. will always be viewed as "odd" and "geeky" by the general population.
Too bad that the recently completed "The Big Bang Theory" did not have Sheldon Cooper be a Numismatist who played in the hobby while doing his science thing.
An episode of that show centered around Sheldon Cooper and his friends attending a Long Beach show could have been very entertaining.
"Apparently"?
Mark Feld* of Heritage Auctions*Unless otherwise noted, my posts here represent my personal opinions.
All in favor of starting a NEW thread calling it the NEBULA pls respond with a post.
All in favor of notifying all who have commented in this post, pls take a pill.
It is exceptionally cool for what it is.
I've known Dwight since he was 15. He is still a dyed-in-the-wool coin geek and he is full of ooohs and aaahs for pretty things. and, like most people with great eyes, he is strongly attuned to pattern-recognition. If he hadn't made his first millions before he had a chanced to take astronomy, he would have found a less expressive yet more technically correct way to express how his eyes exploded.
This gold coin is an outlier in terms of toning to a degree "orders of magnitude" beyond what previous experience with sea-salvage could prepare us for. It serves well as another meme for The Ship of Gold, and smacks you over the head with the intensity with which it announces it's unlikely existence.
I could go and on,
It is unique.
It is virtuously beautiful beautifully virtuous in an way recalled in "Ode to a Grecian Urn".
I simply don't find it pretty.
Truth is, like @Lakesammman, if I had an extra $5 mill hanging around for a week or two, I'd likely think nothing of paying an extra $100K for the coolness.
Or fish in the sea?
PS Although these three choices are each unique and "beauty" is a personal preference, I'd rather spend a weekend with either Heather than with the 200K $20 Liberty.
What's the porpoise of that remark?
Don't feed the troll!
It is very fishy. Quit baiting him. Just reel him in already. Trying to beat CaptHenway before he “weighs” in.
m
Fellas, leave the tight pants to the ladies. If I can count the coins in your pockets you better use them to call a tailor. Stay thirsty my friends......
Fun thread.
My YouTube Channel
Me too! That's why I started it. Don't see how it could be called trolling! 1st time I've ever been accused of that!
@TopStuf In reply to your following post, I’m in favor of a new “NEBULA” SuperNova Opinion Poll.
Stuart
Collect 18th & 19th Century US Type Coins, Silver Dollars, $20 Gold Double Eagles and World Crowns & Talers with High Eye Appeal
"Luck is what happens when Preparation meets Opportunity"
(Just to get in on this...)
For me? $270K, I'd buy me a house...
POST NUBILA PHOEBUS / AFTER CLOUDS, SUN
Love for Music / Collector of Dreck
To each his own. Several people liked the Supernova enough to bid on it. And I had two guys who had personal issues and could not bid (divorces) who really wanted it and cried like the babies they are......
Jessup, FYI: I did try freakin gummys (I have some health problems), hell, I'll never touch another one. yuck. and did I pass out.
Maybe there was an oil leak.
Number #1 buying tip for a great collection - don't get divorced?!
I wonder if the ones able to bid were married or single/divorced?
Congrats to the Black Cat for picking this up!
I've been bugging you about your health for 15 years and maybe the only thing I know more about than coins and sushi is cannabinoids and cannabidiols.
Just 'cause I got high with the Dead and David Crosby (oh yeah, and Barry McGuire) 50+ years ago (Casey Jones you better … ) doesn't mean you've got the head (or stomach) (or gall bladder) for it. I went to the same rehab as Steven Tyler
He would have warned you too.
The trick with Acapulco Gold on Bust Right $5's only worked twice (OK, a few dozen times) in the early days, though Panama Red on Newcomb Copper and (strangely) both S-mint Indian $10's and Classic Gold still gets through on occasion.
If Albanese can take my input on bad toning, the least you can do is remember that "the Doctor is (for you, always) in".
is this coin part of a specific collection black cat is building or just a cool coin to own?
Hopefully Laura can answer. This is what she's said before:
If this coin really came off the ocean floor looking like that (and they have the pictures to prove it) why haven't they been released as part of marketing?
It would add so much to the conversation.
Dead Cat Waltz Exonumia
"Coin collecting for outcasts..."
It would likely show the rusted iron or other salvage metal that was responsible for the stains on the coin.
Agreed. As Laura would say, "Talk is cheap!"
Well, we are talking $282,000.
@DCW In reply to your above quoted post, I obtained the following public domain information about the S.S. Central America Treasure Recovery effort via Google search:
S.S. Central America - Treasure Recovery Photo
S.S. Central America Treasure👇Recovery Overview Video - (3 mins)
Stuart
Collect 18th & 19th Century US Type Coins, Silver Dollars, $20 Gold Double Eagles and World Crowns & Talers with High Eye Appeal
"Luck is what happens when Preparation meets Opportunity"
That video only shows the glamour shot for the Supernova which has been shared here. It's impossible to know if that was taken before or after what was called "treatment" in the video, but it seems reasonable to assume after.
We are in talks w/the ANA to display it this summer
That would be awesome
Will it be kept in the gold pinch slab?
Seems like it would be classy if they did a single coin gold foil insert for it with the Black Cat provenance.
Even better to crack it out from the plastic, put it on a revolving (and tipping at the same time) display with very bright lights to show it off in all of its splendor.
Both of us came back from vacation a day too early