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  • StuartStuart Posts: 9,793 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited May 18, 2019 10:56AM

    @OldIndianNutKase Your following quoted post is excellent! — Very well worded. 👍

    I was actually thinking the same thing, that this Unique coin’s Eye Appeal extends beyond Numismatics and crosses over into the Artistic universe.

    It is an Artistic Pallet combining a man-made object onto which nature has imprinted a delicate colorful pattern of chemical precipitates, which took over 130 years to naturally produce.

    This unique and original combination of Numismatic and Artistic Aesthetics undoubtedly justifies the high collector interest and ultimately the auction price realized for this special coin.

    @OldIndianNutKase said:
    The Super Nova coin has eye appeal that extends beyond our numismatic universe and into the greater artistic universe. It's toning pattern and colors make it a truly unique coin. I could study that coin for hours just trying to comprehend how the colors and toning patterns developed in it's undersea environment. I might import some sea water to soak my untoned proof IHC's in to see what new colors emerge.

    If I had purchased the coin I would sell ultra high resolution images of the coin as it would make great wall art, knowing that I might recoup a significant part of my purchase price.

    OINK


    Stuart

    Collect 18th & 19th Century US Type Coins, Silver Dollars, $20 Gold Double Eagles and World Crowns & Talers with High Eye Appeal

    "Luck is what happens when Preparation meets Opportunity"
  • ZoinsZoins Posts: 34,401 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited May 18, 2019 11:01AM

    @Stuart said:
    @OldIndianNutKase Your following quoted post is excellent! — Very well worded. 👍

    I was actually thinking the same thing, that this Unique coin’s Eye Appeal extends beyond Numismatics and crosses over into the Artistic universe.

    It is an Artistic Pallet combining a man-made object onto which nature has imprinted a delicate colorful pattern of chemical precipitates, which has taken 150 years to naturally produce.

    This unique and original combination of Numismatic and Artistic Aesthetics undoubtedly justifies the high collector interest and ultimately the auction price realized for this special coin.

    @OldIndianNutKase said:
    The Super Nova coin has eye appeal that extends beyond our numismatic universe and into the greater artistic universe. It's toning pattern and colors make it a truly unique coin. I could study that coin for hours just trying to comprehend how the colors and toning patterns developed in it's undersea environment. I might import some sea water to soak my untoned proof IHC's in to see what new colors emerge.

    If I had purchased the coin I would sell ultra high resolution images of the coin as it would make great wall art, knowing that I might recoup a significant part of my purchase price.

    OINK

    I love the original glamour shots posted here. Part of my concern using these is that none of the many other photos taken since these early photos have come close to this, including both TrueView and slab photos by forum members. Were these flash in the pan photos that are no longer reproducible or representative of the coin?

    For better or worse, I discount these glamour shots now and focus on the TrueView as it was posted later and more similar to all the other photos posted.

  • Insider2Insider2 Posts: 14,452 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @spacehayduke said:

    @Insider2 said:

    @spacehayduke said:

    @specialist said:
    Love the no nothings who comment.

    Why do you denigrate folks here all of the time? Can't you make your point and be civil while doing so? BTW, should be 'know nothing"......

    While we all are waiting for the "Angry Feline" to reply, let me give you something to think about. I've been looking at coins for a very long time and getting paid to play at one of my hobbies. Nevertheless, there is a group of folks who post here that know more about coins than I ever will even if I were going to be alive for another twenty years! They are a rare group who I will not embarrass with tags.

    At the level they operate on, all the rest of us are basically "know nothings." Trust me when I tell you that folks who are not at their level can be very frustrating at times. Think of it this way. Many of us look at a coin and see a rim nick. The "Big Guys and Gals" at the TPGS, CAC , major dealers, etc may see it or may not - even though it is there and they see it! That's JUST ONE OF THE THINGS that separates them from us.

    PS I wish I could take the muzzle off my replies to some members here as Laura often does.

    I teach 18 to 20 somethings in the class room and my lab almost every day. Most of them have no clue what they are doing and ask questions or make comments that would make any expert think they are dumb as nails. But if I were to denigrate them the way specialist has with us lesser folks here on these boards, I would be fired.

    Be CIVIL.

    Best, SH

    You could be the worst behaving SOS, ignorant, lying, America-hating, tenured Commie college professor and there is no chance you would ever be fired. In fact, you would probably receive monetary rewards for changing our country!

    Try to put yourself in her position as I explained what might be the case. She is NOT dealing with a bunch of folks who are "dumb as nails."

    PS I teach using a combination of the Attila the Hun/Socratic method.

  • ZoinsZoins Posts: 34,401 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @Insider2 said:

    @spacehayduke said:

    @Insider2 said:

    @spacehayduke said:

    @specialist said:
    Love the no nothings who comment.

    Why do you denigrate folks here all of the time? Can't you make your point and be civil while doing so? BTW, should be 'know nothing"......

    While we all are waiting for the "Angry Feline" to reply, let me give you something to think about. I've been looking at coins for a very long time and getting paid to play at one of my hobbies. Nevertheless, there is a group of folks who post here that know more about coins than I ever will even if I were going to be alive for another twenty years! They are a rare group who I will not embarrass with tags.

    At the level they operate on, all the rest of us are basically "know nothings." Trust me when I tell you that folks who are not at their level can be very frustrating at times. Think of it this way. Many of us look at a coin and see a rim nick. The "Big Guys and Gals" at the TPGS, CAC , major dealers, etc may see it or may not - even though it is there and they see it! That's JUST ONE OF THE THINGS that separates them from us.

    PS I wish I could take the muzzle off my replies to some members here as Laura often does.

    I teach 18 to 20 somethings in the class room and my lab almost every day. Most of them have no clue what they are doing and ask questions or make comments that would make any expert think they are dumb as nails. But if I were to denigrate them the way specialist has with us lesser folks here on these boards, I would be fired.

    Be CIVIL.

    Best, SH

    You could be the worst behaving SOS, ignorant, lying, America-hating, tenured Commie college professor and there is no chance you would ever be fired. In fact, you would probably receive monetary rewards for changing our country!

    Try to put yourself in her position as I explained what might be the case. She is NOT dealing with a bunch of folks who are "dumb as nails."

    PS I teach using a combination of the Attila the Hun/Socratic method.

    Her approach is part of her charm ;)

  • Insider2Insider2 Posts: 14,452 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @tradedollarnut said:
    One is sadly mistaken if they think a $20 gold ms67 has no marks...

    Any coin grading MS-67 will have marks.

    However, I suggest anyone commenting about this coin who does not have the knowledge and professional experience of the folks who have seen it, graded it, stickered it, bid on it, etc look up the grading standards for MS-67 published anywhere by anyone. That said, the "Golden Egg" is almost a 300K coin! o:)

  • Insider2Insider2 Posts: 14,452 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @BryceM said: "The lack of civility in this thread is reflective of deep problems in our society. This ever-present anger is severely restricting our ability to find common ground and is counterproductive to everyone’s interests."

    Be still my heart, while I look for something to offend me in this thread. Yes, we have become a weak, PC, nation of "snowflakes" that shortly will pass from this earth - probably in the same way as Rome from outside and within. :( One way or the other, I should not be around to see it completed. >:)

  • Insider2Insider2 Posts: 14,452 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @OldIndianNutKase said: "The Super Nova coin has eye appeal that extends beyond our numismatic universe and into the greater artistic. I might import some sea water to soak my untoned proof IHC's in to see what new colors emerge."

    LOL, that's a great recipe for corrosion.

  • specialistspecialist Posts: 956 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Col... if you don't start speaking in the queens english a dink like me can understand, I won't read what you write.

    I couldn't careless what people think of me. I know my stuff-yes I do make errors, but I will never let people who have not even seen something in person make worthless comments. I firmly stand behind coins I like. Can't say too many others do. Maybe that is why what I sell usually out performs everything else (unless the ego matches are going on).

    Supernova is a great wicked cool totally original coin with a factual predigree and images of it coming from the bottom of the ocean (no, I do not have those images to post).

  • batumibatumi Posts: 848 ✭✭✭✭

    @Stuart said:
    @Insider2 Numismatic Beauty is very subjective. — To each his own.😁👍

    I personally would prefer this👇PCGS-66 because of the gorgeous Cartwheel Mint Luster.


    @Insider2 said:

    Come on guys. We can call any discolored gold environmentally damaged (or at least altered). There are many folks who consider any form of stain or chemical reaction to metal to be damage of some kind. Even anodizing aluminum that is done to protect it can be said to be a form of damage.

    Since all the color will come right off in less that a minute or two revealing its "true" grade, the only actual damage to the coin are the bag marks and scratch across the neck. Assuming that this coin came out of the water with blue accents, there is a simple reason it was left the way it is and graded MS-67: $280K. Where are you going to get another one like it? SCORE, and congratulations to all concerned with this moneymaker! I call it the "Golden Egg."

    I agree, plud the quater mil in change would seal the deal for me.

  • cameonut2011cameonut2011 Posts: 10,181 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited May 18, 2019 2:51PM

    @OldIndianNutKase said:
    The Super Nova coin has eye appeal that extends beyond our numismatic universe and into the greater artistic universe. It's toning pattern and colors make it a truly unique coin. I could study that coin for hours just trying to comprehend how the colors and toning patterns developed in it's undersea environment. I might import some sea water to soak my untoned proof IHC's in to see what new colors emerge.

    I hope you like corroded/environmentally damaged copper. Copper is far more reactive than gold. As others have already mentioned, the color on the "supernova" does NOT appear to be from thin film interference (i.e. toning) rather than a deep stain from salvage metal.

  • Desert MoonDesert Moon Posts: 5,986 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @Insider2 said:

    @spacehayduke said:

    @Insider2 said:

    @spacehayduke said:

    @specialist said:
    Love the no nothings who comment.

    Why do you denigrate folks here all of the time? Can't you make your point and be civil while doing so? BTW, should be 'know nothing"......

    While we all are waiting for the "Angry Feline" to reply, let me give you something to think about. I've been looking at coins for a very long time and getting paid to play at one of my hobbies. Nevertheless, there is a group of folks who post here that know more about coins than I ever will even if I were going to be alive for another twenty years! They are a rare group who I will not embarrass with tags.

    At the level they operate on, all the rest of us are basically "know nothings." Trust me when I tell you that folks who are not at their level can be very frustrating at times. Think of it this way. Many of us look at a coin and see a rim nick. The "Big Guys and Gals" at the TPGS, CAC , major dealers, etc may see it or may not - even though it is there and they see it! That's JUST ONE OF THE THINGS that separates them from us.

    PS I wish I could take the muzzle off my replies to some members here as Laura often does.

    I teach 18 to 20 somethings in the class room and my lab almost every day. Most of them have no clue what they are doing and ask questions or make comments that would make any expert think they are dumb as nails. But if I were to denigrate them the way specialist has with us lesser folks here on these boards, I would be fired.

    Be CIVIL.

    Best, SH

    You could be the worst behaving SOS, ignorant, lying, America-hating, tenured Commie college professor and there is no chance you would ever be fired. In fact, you would probably receive monetary rewards for changing our country!

    Try to put yourself in her position as I explained what might be the case. She is NOT dealing with a bunch of folks who are "dumb as nails."

    PS I teach using a combination of the Attila the Hun/Socratic method.

    I don't care who She is dealing with or not dealing with, civility is what I am talking about here............

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  • cameonut2011cameonut2011 Posts: 10,181 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @Insider2
    @ColonelJessup

    Time to pick your brains: What chemical methods are used to conserve shipwreck coins and wouldn't those methods clean up thin surface films or toning leaving behind only deep stains?

  • StuartStuart Posts: 9,793 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited May 18, 2019 3:35PM

    Stuart

    Collect 18th & 19th Century US Type Coins, Silver Dollars, $20 Gold Double Eagles and World Crowns & Talers with High Eye Appeal

    "Luck is what happens when Preparation meets Opportunity"
  • ColonelJessupColonelJessup Posts: 6,442 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited May 18, 2019 5:01PM

    @cameonut2011 said:
    @Insider2
    @ColonelJessup

    Time to pick your brains: What chemical methods are used to conserve shipwreck coins and wouldn't those methods clean up thin surface films or toning leaving behind only deep stains?

    The only method used to conserve shipwreck silver is to burn off all the environmental damage, Maybe twice for the zombies. I've seen cyanide work.

    Bear in mind that thin-film refraction is most observable/detectable when backlighting from surface lustre accentuates its presence. The rugosity of ED surfaces, already porous from the smooth surfaces having rotted away, reflects little. The thin-film materials for the phenomenon might be present, but subdued to the point where only microscopic examination will reveal it.

    If you read the recovery restoration expert's previously posted description, I get the impression much of the (larger) gold
    got cleaned up without being stripped of crust, so a lot of very fine specific "soft scrubbing" with something like various paintbrushes with different tensile strength "hairs". Maybe time in an ultrasonic to loosen some larger particles adhering. Without seeing any in-hand pre-conservation, I still have reservations about Fractional Gold with its extremely high copper content not needing chemical means.

    edited to add: @Regulated has related to many that his process for conserving the Saddle Ridge gold was, at the end, a five-chemical protocol, but which, in what combination and in what order, took him most of a year of experimentation to develop and refine.

    "People sleep peaceably in their beds at night only because rough men stand ready to do violence on their behalf." - Geo. Orwell
  • AotearoaAotearoa Posts: 1,547 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @MrEureka said:
    Two things to add.

    First, whether or not you like the look of “Supernova”, and whether or not you think the price makes sense, the color does tell a cool historical story better than any stripped yellow 57-S ever could.

    And second, a confession. CJ got me to google Beyoncé’s butt.

    Did she mind?

    Smitten with DBLCs.

  • ColonelJessupColonelJessup Posts: 6,442 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited May 20, 2019 8:18AM

    @roadrunner said:

    @specialist said:

    Supernova is a great wicked cool totally original coin with a factual predigree and images of it coming from the bottom of the ocean (no, I do not have those images to post).

    I'd want certification that on the trip to the surface, that Supernova didn't inadvertently cross an Octapoda melanin sluice.

    queens english por favor. No latin Latin, no greek Greek, no old english Olde English. It scares the denizens of the deep :# However, the Sniffer is surely aware of the threat :p

    "People sleep peaceably in their beds at night only because rough men stand ready to do violence on their behalf." - Geo. Orwell
  • ZoinsZoins Posts: 34,401 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited May 18, 2019 4:40PM

    @MrEureka said:
    Two things to add.

    First, whether or not you like the look of “Supernova”, and whether or not you think the price makes sense, the color does tell a cool historical story better than any stripped yellow 57-S ever could.

    It definitely stands out as it seems to be the poster coin for this hoard, the one easily recognizable coin from this hoard.

    Another thing is that this isn't graded Genuine, like the following Saddle Ridge Hoard 1884-S Coronet double eagle which was offered for just $2,575. There's a huge difference between environmentally damaged and problem free.

  • OldIndianNutKaseOldIndianNutKase Posts: 2,715 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @Cameonut
    @Insider2

    Good catch on the reactivity of copper with sea water. I happen to be in a business that builds marine refrigeration systems and know that well........But I was thinking more of a CuNi IHC proof. With the exception of my avatar, CuNi IHC's tone very little. A little sea water certainly would offer more opportunity than does ambient air.

    OINK

  • ColonelJessupColonelJessup Posts: 6,442 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited May 18, 2019 4:22PM

    @tradedollarnut said:

    @RogerB said:
    Looks like superficial rust stains. Should come off with proper conservation and stabilization. (See Kagin's Saddle Ridge hoard.)

    I asked you before and never got an answer - when was the last time you saw blue rust? And if it were merely superficial rust stains then the luster would be muted. So at worst it’s thin film interference cause by a molecules thick layer....a freak of nature even if you’re correct.

    Nah. So much hubris, so little time.
    Sigh. A sign I'm developing some myself :o
    It's May 18th, but I'm going to rehabilitate my attitude by celebrating April 20th :p

    "People sleep peaceably in their beds at night only because rough men stand ready to do violence on their behalf." - Geo. Orwell
  • roadrunnerroadrunner Posts: 28,313 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited May 18, 2019 4:34PM

    Copper sulfate is blue in crystalline form....a little more green/grey when water escapes. There's approx 10% copper in a classic US gold coin.

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  • tradedollarnuttradedollarnut Posts: 20,198 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Why stop - you’re on a roll

    I still maintain that electric blue requires thin film interference. But whatever

  • Insider2Insider2 Posts: 14,452 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @OldIndianNutKase said:
    @Cameonut
    @Insider2

    Good catch on the reactivity of copper with sea water. I happen to be in a business that builds marine refrigeration systems and know that well........But I was thinking more of a CuNi IHC proof. With the exception of my avatar, CuNi IHC's tone very little. A little sea water certainly would offer more opportunity than does ambient air.

    OINK

    So would Iodine, LOL.

  • jedmjedm Posts: 3,162 ✭✭✭✭✭

    To quote @ColonelJessup "more fun to look at than Beyoncé's butt"
    Let's see............

  • Insider2Insider2 Posts: 14,452 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited May 18, 2019 5:08PM

    @Zoins said: "It [The "Golden Egg"] definitely stands out as it seems to be the poster coin for this hoard, the one easily recognizable coin from this hoard.

    Another thing is that this [ditto] isn't graded Genuine, like the following Saddle Ridge Hoard 1884-S Coronet double eagle which was offered for just $2,575. There's a huge difference between environmentally damaged and problem free."

    The ONLY reason to keep this "dog" of a coin in the condition it was found with the "crust" linking it to that historical numismatic treasure is that it can be returned to its original, pristine condition in just a few minutes ALSO.

    As for how to do it...the info is all over the literature or the Internet. B)

    PS I don't recommend you try this at home folks but much of this thick crust can be pushed off with a fingernail.
    You just have to know which places to do it so you don't leave a trace of your handiwork. The rest can be removed by other methods. The only reason some of us don't just spill the beans is that many folks get paid for what they do.

  • ColonelJessupColonelJessup Posts: 6,442 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited May 18, 2019 5:12PM

    @btcollects said:
    in my mind's eye, Specialist is a majestic eagle, perched on a barbed wire fence post, ripping the guts out of a rattlesnake

    Quetzalcoatlosaurus rex.

    I couldn't make that up. :/ Check it out on Google.
    Though I didn't see a picture there, @bt has a way with imagery straight out of Sam Peckinpaugh :#
    Lotta blood >:)B)

    "People sleep peaceably in their beds at night only because rough men stand ready to do violence on their behalf." - Geo. Orwell
  • Insider2Insider2 Posts: 14,452 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited May 18, 2019 5:15PM

    @btcollects said:
    in my mind's eye, Specialist is a majestic eagle, perched on a barbed wire fence post, ripping the guts out of a rattlesnake

    I prefer the image of a very successful Black Widow spider with a bunch of "captures" rolled up into a very large and magnificent web. :wink:

  • edwardjulioedwardjulio Posts: 1,160 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I miss Sam Peckinpah.

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  • ColonelJessupColonelJessup Posts: 6,442 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited May 18, 2019 5:39PM

    @Insider2 said:

    @btcollects said:
    in my mind's eye, Specialist is a majestic eagle, perched on a barbed wire fence post, ripping the guts out of a rattlesnake

    I prefer the image of a very successful Black Widow spider with a bunch of "captures" rolled up into a very large and magnificent web. :wink:

    I had a pet tarantula. She ate snake parts. :* :dancingsmiley2; But she was not internet-savvy :/

    edited to add: Her spittle worked better on amplifying Naftzger Newcomb copper sheen without noticeable corrosion or coating than anything seen before and after. I've seen a few that stickered :s:s:#

    She had a sad ending. Her work was so well-received that she developed narcissistic grandiosity and went snake hunting. Turnabout being fair play........

    "People sleep peaceably in their beds at night only because rough men stand ready to do violence on their behalf." - Geo. Orwell
  • TradesWithChopsTradesWithChops Posts: 640 ✭✭✭✭
    edited May 18, 2019 5:39PM

    @ColonelJessup said:
    but coinsite.com/1795-draped-bust-dollar-small-eagle-ex-hayes is more fun to look at than Beyoncé's butt

    woa woa woa.... I was about to click agree until I saw THIS!!! No way is any coin more fun to look at than Beyoncé's works of pure art. case closed.

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  • ColonelJessupColonelJessup Posts: 6,442 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited May 18, 2019 5:45PM

    @TradesWithChops said:

    @ColonelJessup said:
    but coinsite.com/1795-draped-bust-dollar-small-eagle-ex-hayes is more fun to look at than Beyoncé's butt

    woa woa woa.... I was about to click agree until I saw THIS!!! No way is any coin more fun to look at than Beyoncé's works of pure art. case closed.

    I'm sticking to my story until Mr. Carter's out of town.
    I actually held the Garrett-Hayes $1 in-hand. I see no other way to make a fair comparison :p

    "People sleep peaceably in their beds at night only because rough men stand ready to do violence on their behalf." - Geo. Orwell
  • specialistspecialist Posts: 956 ✭✭✭✭✭

    oh man, isn't that 1795 in THE TYPE SET? I'm sure TDN will bug me to find it......

    Col, I'm too exhausted-sorry, you have to write in shorter versions.

  • ColonelJessupColonelJessup Posts: 6,442 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited May 18, 2019 6:49PM

    @specialist said:
    oh man, isn't that 1795 in THE TYPE SET? I'm sure TDN will bug me to find it....>
    Col, I'm too exhausted-sorry, you have to write in shorter versions.

    I invite you all to share what is, for me and a few faithful(sic?) students, an opportunity to savor a very special moment >:)

    "People sleep peaceably in their beds at night only because rough men stand ready to do violence on their behalf." - Geo. Orwell
  • coinlieutenantcoinlieutenant Posts: 9,319 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I love to watch the Col v specialist battles. Brings me back to the good old days.

    Who has a pic of that 1875-S MS67 20$. Was it Stuarts? I can't remember. Mama...that is a coin.

  • sparky64sparky64 Posts: 7,041 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @ColonelJessup said:

    @specialist said:
    oh man, isn't that 1795 in THE TYPE SET? I'm sure TDN will bug me to find it....>
    Col, I'm too exhausted-sorry, you have to write in shorter versions.

    I invite you all to share what is, for me and a few faithful(sic?) students, an opportunity to savor a very special moment >:)

    She should have held off with her request and not given you the satisfaction. 😉

    No way you can sustain the torrid pace you've laid down in this thread. Its been wonderful though, I will say.

    "If I say something in the woods and my wife isn't there to hear it.....am I still wrong?"

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  • RonyahskiRonyahski Posts: 3,119 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Repeat 100x. It is not thin film interference.

    Some refer to overgraded slabs as Coffins. I like to think of them as Happy Coins.
  • JustacommemanJustacommeman Posts: 22,852 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @sparky64 said:

    @ColonelJessup said:

    @specialist said:
    oh man, isn't that 1795 in THE TYPE SET? I'm sure TDN will bug me to find it....>
    Col, I'm too exhausted-sorry, you have to write in shorter versions.

    I invite you all to share what is, for me and a few faithful(sic?) students, an opportunity to savor a very special moment >:)

    She should have held off with her request and not given you the satisfaction. 😉

    No way you can sustain the torrid pace you've laid down in this thread. Its been wonderful though, I will say.

    He’s got to be tuckered out by now. Or perhaps his typing fingers are blistered.

    m

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  • StuartStuart Posts: 9,793 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited May 18, 2019 8:15PM

    @CoinLieutenant The Coin you’re referring to in your following quoted post was not mine.

    However, I once owned an 1892-S $20 Liberty in PCGS-65 that I had certified as a Raw Coin submission, which was at the time Pop 1 Coin prior to the discovery of the Saddle Ridge Hoard.

    @coinlieutenant said:

    Who has a pic of that 1875-S MS67 20$. Was it Stuarts? I can't remember. Mama...that is a coin.

    John, Is this👇the 1875-S PCGS-67 $20 Liberty that you’re referring to? I found this photo on the web, and wasn’t certain if this is the specific coin that you were referencing.



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  • BryceMBryceM Posts: 11,851 ✭✭✭✭✭

    This thread has wheels. Watching Titans clash is good entertainment. :)

  • Insider2Insider2 Posts: 14,452 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @Stuart asked: "John, Is this👇the 1875-S PCGS-67 $20 Liberty that you’re referring to? I found this photo on the web, and wasn’t certain if this is the specific coin that you were referencing."

    That can't be the coin. While I can see 67 for the reverse - the least important side (some say only 40% of the grade), the obverse (many claim to be 60% of a coin's grade) is not close! Otherwise, there is a lot of shall we not say.... going on and most of us are not the benefactors.

  • coinlieutenantcoinlieutenant Posts: 9,319 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @Insider2 said:
    @Stuart asked: "John, Is this👇the 1875-S PCGS-67 $20 Liberty that you’re referring to? I found this photo on the web, and wasn’t certain if this is the specific coin that you were referencing."

    That can't be the coin. While I can see 67 for the reverse - the least important side (some say only 40% of the grade), the obverse (many claim to be 60% of a coin's grade) is not close! Otherwise, there is a lot of shall we not say.... going on and most of us are not the benefactors.

    There is only one of them, but I couldn't find a pic. I remember it was graded 67 in a PCGS OGH. I remember it being all there for the grade...that coin is nice but has some issues that I wouldn't expect on a 67.

  • StuartStuart Posts: 9,793 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited May 18, 2019 9:49PM

    @coinlieutenant said:

    There is only one of them, but I couldn't find a pic. I remember it was graded 67 in a PCGS OGH. I remember it being all there for the grade...that coin is nice but has some issues that I wouldn't expect on a 67.

    @CoinLieutenant This example is one of the reasons that I miss the former version of CoinFacts where we could access many more coin photos for research purposes.


    Stuart

    Collect 18th & 19th Century US Type Coins, Silver Dollars, $20 Gold Double Eagles and World Crowns & Talers with High Eye Appeal

    "Luck is what happens when Preparation meets Opportunity"
  • cameonut2011cameonut2011 Posts: 10,181 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @Stuart said:
    John, Is this👇the 1875-S PCGS-67 $20 Liberty that you’re referring to? I found this photo on the web, and wasn’t certain if this is the specific coin that you were referencing.

    There is no way that is a 67 - mechanical error!

  • coinlieutenantcoinlieutenant Posts: 9,319 ✭✭✭✭✭

    It never had a truview @Stuart....but I hear you. I think the coin had a stacks pedigree. Killing me I can't remember who owned it.

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