@specialist said:
OMG, shut up people. Yes, i said that. NO ONE can grade from an image. And to it seems few here can grade period.
PCGS and CAC have seen it and agreed about it. I forgot-the people here are smarter then them-NOT!
Bidders took it to $282,000.00.
This is equal to the 80S PCGS MS68+ toner that brought over $50G.....
I tried to buy that coin from the day I saw it. Last I know about my self, I know what I am doing.....
Get over your petty jealousies and accept it is a real treasure and phenomenal quality and toned coin.
Good grief! You're so obnoxiously and condescendingly arrogant.
I disagreed with @Regulated about that 92-CC from Saddle Ridge. Unusual? Yes, very natural? Yes. No matter how glorious some find them, it still think they both look like they've been in a fire. No denying others are attracted, and I can, when viewing it from that perspective, extend empathy..
You, my sweetie, seem incapable of extending empathy to anyone who hasn't agreed and verified the best of all time, Deal of the Century, psychic wound you overcompensate for.
@nottheRealDonnaTrump is back. @specialist. your eleventh or so alt, was shut down into useful sanity. @Donna should shut up and go away. Stop pimping your product and your "virtuous wisdom/genius"..
Guess what psychological truth we're going to reveal. The more someone attacks a contrary position, the more afraid they are that they might somehow be wrong. Is your faith in your business practices so fragile? Reinforce it on your website, where true believers get their "non-fake news"
The appropriate response would be "Kisses"
LOL, you are not ready for a low-level scrum (try me) or high intellectual discourse (try me), just continuing to spew self-serving bloviation.
edited to add: narcissistic grandiosity - yeah, glad I got that in.
"People sleep peaceably in their beds at night only because rough men stand ready to do violence on their behalf." - Geo. Orwell
@OldIndianNutKase Your following quoted post is excellent! — Very well worded. 👍
I was actually thinking the same thing, that this Unique coin’s Eye Appeal extends beyond Numismatics and crosses over into the Artistic universe.
It is an Artistic Pallet combining a man-made object onto which nature has imprinted a delicate colorful pattern of chemical precipitates, which took over 130 years to naturally produce.
This unique and original combination of Numismatic and Artistic Aesthetics undoubtedly justifies the high collector interest and ultimately the auction price realized for this special coin.
@OldIndianNutKase said:
The Super Nova coin has eye appeal that extends beyond our numismatic universe and into the greater artistic universe. It's toning pattern and colors make it a truly unique coin. I could study that coin for hours just trying to comprehend how the colors and toning patterns developed in it's undersea environment. I might import some sea water to soak my untoned proof IHC's in to see what new colors emerge.
If I had purchased the coin I would sell ultra high resolution images of the coin as it would make great wall art, knowing that I might recoup a significant part of my purchase price.
OINK
Stuart
Collect 18th & 19th Century US Type Coins, Silver Dollars, $20 Gold Double Eagles and World Crowns & Talers with High Eye Appeal
"Luck is what happens when Preparation meets Opportunity"
I was actually thinking the same thing, that this Unique coin’s Eye Appeal extends beyond Numismatics and crosses over into the Artistic universe.
It is an Artistic Pallet combining a man-made object onto which nature has imprinted a delicate colorful pattern of chemical precipitates, which has taken 150 years to naturally produce.
This unique and original combination of Numismatic and Artistic Aesthetics undoubtedly justifies the high collector interest and ultimately the auction price realized for this special coin.
@OldIndianNutKase said:
The Super Nova coin has eye appeal that extends beyond our numismatic universe and into the greater artistic universe. It's toning pattern and colors make it a truly unique coin. I could study that coin for hours just trying to comprehend how the colors and toning patterns developed in it's undersea environment. I might import some sea water to soak my untoned proof IHC's in to see what new colors emerge.
If I had purchased the coin I would sell ultra high resolution images of the coin as it would make great wall art, knowing that I might recoup a significant part of my purchase price.
OINK
I love the original glamour shots posted here. Part of my concern using these is that none of the many other photos taken since these early photos have come close to this, including both TrueView and slab photos by forum members. Were these flash in the pan photos that are no longer reproducible or representative of the coin?
For better or worse, I discount these glamour shots now and focus on the TrueView as it was posted later and more similar to all the other photos posted.
@specialist said:
Love the no nothings who comment.
Why do you denigrate folks here all of the time? Can't you make your point and be civil while doing so? BTW, should be 'know nothing"......
While we all are waiting for the "Angry Feline" to reply, let me give you something to think about. I've been looking at coins for a very long time and getting paid to play at one of my hobbies. Nevertheless, there is a group of folks who post here that know more about coins than I ever will even if I were going to be alive for another twenty years! They are a rare group who I will not embarrass with tags.
At the level they operate on, all the rest of us are basically "know nothings." Trust me when I tell you that folks who are not at their level can be very frustrating at times. Think of it this way. Many of us look at a coin and see a rim nick. The "Big Guys and Gals" at the TPGS, CAC , major dealers, etc may see it or may not - even though it is there and they see it! That's JUST ONE OF THE THINGS that separates them from us.
PS I wish I could take the muzzle off my replies to some members here as Laura often does.
I teach 18 to 20 somethings in the class room and my lab almost every day. Most of them have no clue what they are doing and ask questions or make comments that would make any expert think they are dumb as nails. But if I were to denigrate them the way specialist has with us lesser folks here on these boards, I would be fired.
Be CIVIL.
Best, SH
You could be the worst behaving SOS, ignorant, lying, America-hating, tenured Commie college professor and there is no chance you would ever be fired. In fact, you would probably receive monetary rewards for changing our country!
Try to put yourself in her position as I explained what might be the case. She is NOT dealing with a bunch of folks who are "dumb as nails."
PS I teach using a combination of the Attila the Hun/Socratic method.
@specialist said:
Love the no nothings who comment.
Why do you denigrate folks here all of the time? Can't you make your point and be civil while doing so? BTW, should be 'know nothing"......
While we all are waiting for the "Angry Feline" to reply, let me give you something to think about. I've been looking at coins for a very long time and getting paid to play at one of my hobbies. Nevertheless, there is a group of folks who post here that know more about coins than I ever will even if I were going to be alive for another twenty years! They are a rare group who I will not embarrass with tags.
At the level they operate on, all the rest of us are basically "know nothings." Trust me when I tell you that folks who are not at their level can be very frustrating at times. Think of it this way. Many of us look at a coin and see a rim nick. The "Big Guys and Gals" at the TPGS, CAC , major dealers, etc may see it or may not - even though it is there and they see it! That's JUST ONE OF THE THINGS that separates them from us.
PS I wish I could take the muzzle off my replies to some members here as Laura often does.
I teach 18 to 20 somethings in the class room and my lab almost every day. Most of them have no clue what they are doing and ask questions or make comments that would make any expert think they are dumb as nails. But if I were to denigrate them the way specialist has with us lesser folks here on these boards, I would be fired.
Be CIVIL.
Best, SH
You could be the worst behaving SOS, ignorant, lying, America-hating, tenured Commie college professor and there is no chance you would ever be fired. In fact, you would probably receive monetary rewards for changing our country!
Try to put yourself in her position as I explained what might be the case. She is NOT dealing with a bunch of folks who are "dumb as nails."
PS I teach using a combination of the Attila the Hun/Socratic method.
@tradedollarnut said:
One is sadly mistaken if they think a $20 gold ms67 has no marks...
Any coin grading MS-67 will have marks.
However, I suggest anyone commenting about this coin who does not have the knowledge and professional experience of the folks who have seen it, graded it, stickered it, bid on it, etc look up the grading standards for MS-67 published anywhere by anyone. That said, the "Golden Egg" is almost a 300K coin!
@BryceM said: "The lack of civility in this thread is reflective of deep problems in our society. This ever-present anger is severely restricting our ability to find common ground and is counterproductive to everyone’s interests."
Be still my heart, while I look for something to offend me in this thread. Yes, we have become a weak, PC, nation of "snowflakes" that shortly will pass from this earth - probably in the same way as Rome from outside and within. One way or the other, I should not be around to see it completed.
@Insider2 said: @BryceM said: "The lack of civility in this thread is reflective of deep problems in our society. This ever-present anger is severely restricting our ability to find common ground and is counterproductive to everyone’s interests."
Be still my heart, while I look for something to offend me in this thread. Yes, we have become a weak, PC, nation of "snowflakes" that shortly will pass from this earth - probably in the same way as Rome from outside and within. One way or the other, I should not be around to see it completed.
Actually, I think this thread is pretty civil compared to what was said before all the bamming
@OldIndianNutKase said: "The Super Nova coin has eye appeal that extends beyond our numismatic universe and into the greater artistic. I might import some sea water to soak my untoned proof IHC's in to see what new colors emerge."
Col... if you don't start speaking in the queens english a dink like me can understand, I won't read what you write.
I couldn't careless what people think of me. I know my stuff-yes I do make errors, but I will never let people who have not even seen something in person make worthless comments. I firmly stand behind coins I like. Can't say too many others do. Maybe that is why what I sell usually out performs everything else (unless the ego matches are going on).
Supernova is a great wicked cool totally original coin with a factual predigree and images of it coming from the bottom of the ocean (no, I do not have those images to post).
Come on guys. We can call any discolored gold environmentally damaged (or at least altered). There are many folks who consider any form of stain or chemical reaction to metal to be damage of some kind. Even anodizing aluminum that is done to protect it can be said to be a form of damage.
Since all the color will come right off in less that a minute or two revealing its "true" grade, the only actual damage to the coin are the bag marks and scratch across the neck. Assuming that this coin came out of the water with blue accents, there is a simple reason it was left the way it is and graded MS-67: $280K. Where are you going to get another one like it? SCORE, and congratulations to all concerned with this moneymaker! I call it the "Golden Egg."
I agree, plud the quater mil in change would seal the deal for me.
@OldIndianNutKase said:
The Super Nova coin has eye appeal that extends beyond our numismatic universe and into the greater artistic universe. It's toning pattern and colors make it a truly unique coin. I could study that coin for hours just trying to comprehend how the colors and toning patterns developed in it's undersea environment. I might import some sea water to soak my untoned proof IHC's in to see what new colors emerge.
I hope you like corroded/environmentally damaged copper. Copper is far more reactive than gold. As others have already mentioned, the color on the "supernova" does NOT appear to be from thin film interference (i.e. toning) rather than a deep stain from salvage metal.
@specialist said:
Love the no nothings who comment.
Why do you denigrate folks here all of the time? Can't you make your point and be civil while doing so? BTW, should be 'know nothing"......
While we all are waiting for the "Angry Feline" to reply, let me give you something to think about. I've been looking at coins for a very long time and getting paid to play at one of my hobbies. Nevertheless, there is a group of folks who post here that know more about coins than I ever will even if I were going to be alive for another twenty years! They are a rare group who I will not embarrass with tags.
At the level they operate on, all the rest of us are basically "know nothings." Trust me when I tell you that folks who are not at their level can be very frustrating at times. Think of it this way. Many of us look at a coin and see a rim nick. The "Big Guys and Gals" at the TPGS, CAC , major dealers, etc may see it or may not - even though it is there and they see it! That's JUST ONE OF THE THINGS that separates them from us.
PS I wish I could take the muzzle off my replies to some members here as Laura often does.
I teach 18 to 20 somethings in the class room and my lab almost every day. Most of them have no clue what they are doing and ask questions or make comments that would make any expert think they are dumb as nails. But if I were to denigrate them the way specialist has with us lesser folks here on these boards, I would be fired.
Be CIVIL.
Best, SH
You could be the worst behaving SOS, ignorant, lying, America-hating, tenured Commie college professor and there is no chance you would ever be fired. In fact, you would probably receive monetary rewards for changing our country!
Try to put yourself in her position as I explained what might be the case. She is NOT dealing with a bunch of folks who are "dumb as nails."
PS I teach using a combination of the Attila the Hun/Socratic method.
I don't care who She is dealing with or not dealing with, civility is what I am talking about here............
Time to pick your brains: What chemical methods are used to conserve shipwreck coins and wouldn't those methods clean up thin surface films or toning leaving behind only deep stains?
@specialist said:
Col... if you don't start speaking in the queens english a dink like me can understand, I won't read what you write.
I couldn't careless what people think of me. I know my stuff-yes I do make errors, but I will never let people who have not even seen something in person make worthless comments. I firmly stand behind coins I like. Can't say too many others do. Maybe that is why what I sell usually out performs everything else (unless the ego matches are going on).
Supernova is a great wicked cool totally original coin with a factual predigree and images of it coming from the bottom of the ocean (no, I do not have those images to post).
Translates as your partner's prime repartee, "Kisses".
Something about a culo, I'd imagine
That's Queen's capitalized and with a possessive, not pluralized. And English because it's always capitalized. And pedigree 1/2 point off for no Spell-check.
I've known you for 40 years. C'mon, down and dirty like you promised. Sorry you can't understand the mumbo-jumbo I'm sure plenty of people here understand. And so do you. So shut your obnoxious patronizing defensive hate-filled yap and get the Twitter account we know you so richly deserve. You're just soooo lucky to haveThe Revealed Truth.
I'm sure billionaires like you. Most of them seem fairly regular guys. You are passionate in their service. You do well for them.
You have a good business plan. You've finally learned something about coins.
In your own words, in his parking lot after the fake '26 $20 from PA, you told me you're a better grader than JA. Brava! Blovia!.
I'm a has-been , but you've got the defensiveness of a wannabe. But you were better-mannered when you spent your years catching up to us. Humility, or just fear of humiliation?
If you want to ride the tiger, you better be prepared for some mauling when you fall off. Feeding your demons is a major life skill for some (like us)
Got fan-boys here? You actually deserve them. Let them defend the coin.
I could care less for the coin pictured. Loads have loved it,; it's been officialized as lovable. By people I admire and respect. @boiler78 can use my checkbook any time he wants even if I don't favor the coin myself.
But the incontrovertible truth, of which only I am in full possession, indicates you are a nasty brat with a chip on your shoulder who craps on anyone who disagrees with you. You don't know how to argue, just to proclaim.
BTW, in your ignorance (per your partner/client/co-pimp), you called the toning on1795 Draped SP66 "funky". which is code for something far worse than what afflicts the coin. While the Garrett and Hayes images do not do the coin full justice,
a quick check of Jay Miller's (another personal friend of Jimmy's) still-open web-site, will show the coin as pretty much blast-white. Sorry I can't linkify, but coinsite.com/1795-draped-bust-dollar-small-eagle-ex-hayes is more fun to look at than Beyoncé's butt
But not DMPL. ROFLMAO you ignoramuses. Feels good, don't it. Crapping on those whom you totally know you totally know more than.... You are a world-class coin-dealer with a rich fund of knowledge. With the self-congratulatory blather of an insecure rookie..
You and JA and I and this Forum and know I know doctoring, we were on the same PNG committee. What you don't know is conservation, the knowledge of which informs a coin doctor's skills. So this conservationist will tell you, and the owner, and the PCGS Restoration crew, that that is totally natural secondary toning. Imperfect storage perhaps?
@Insider2 could figure it out.
Hell, Gene Sanders could figure it out.
The coin can be easily restored to its former glory circa 1985.
You shouldn't answer me, especially if you understand me as fully as I know you do. Brush up on your Shakespeare (Elizabeth I was the "Queen" of "the Queen's English", recognize that I am actually much more capable of inflicting psychic damage than you are, remember that a whole lot of people you don't care about (and some you might if you didn't know they thought and felt the same) will chortle.
Besides, do you really think I'm actually talking to you.
"People sleep peaceably in their beds at night only because rough men stand ready to do violence on their behalf." - Geo. Orwell
Supernova is a great wicked cool totally original coin with a factual predigree and images of it coming from the bottom of the ocean (no, I do not have those images to post).
I'd want certification that on the trip to the surface, that Supernova didn't inadvertently cross an Octapoda melanin sluice.
Time to pick your brains: What chemical methods are used to conserve shipwreck coins and wouldn't those methods clean up thin surface films or toning leaving behind only deep stains?
The only method used to conserve shipwreck silver is to burn off all the environmental damage, Maybe twice for the zombies. I've seen cyanide work.
Bear in mind that thin-film refraction is most observable/detectable when backlighting from surface lustre accentuates its presence. The rugosity of ED surfaces, already porous from the smooth surfaces having rotted away, reflects little. The thin-film materials for the phenomenon might be present, but subdued to the point where only microscopic examination will reveal it.
If you read the recovery restoration expert's previously posted description, I get the impression much of the (larger) gold
got cleaned up without being stripped of crust, so a lot of very fine specific "soft scrubbing" with something like various paintbrushes with different tensile strength "hairs". Maybe time in an ultrasonic to loosen some larger particles adhering. Without seeing any in-hand pre-conservation, I still have reservations about Fractional Gold with its extremely high copper content not needing chemical means.
edited to add: @Regulated has related to many that his process for conserving the Saddle Ridge gold was, at the end, a five-chemical protocol, but which, in what combination and in what order, took him most of a year of experimentation to develop and refine.
"People sleep peaceably in their beds at night only because rough men stand ready to do violence on their behalf." - Geo. Orwell
First, whether or not you like the look of “Supernova”, and whether or not you think the price makes sense, the color does tell a cool historical story better than any stripped yellow 57-S ever could.
And second, a confession. CJ got me to google Beyoncé’s butt.
Andy Lustig
Doggedly collecting coins of the Central American Republic.
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First, whether or not you like the look of “Supernova”, and whether or not you think the price makes sense, the color does tell a cool historical story better than any stripped yellow 57-S ever could.
And second, a confession. CJ got me to google Beyoncé’s butt.
Supernova is a great wicked cool totally original coin with a factual predigree and images of it coming from the bottom of the ocean (no, I do not have those images to post).
I'd want certification that on the trip to the surface, that Supernova didn't inadvertently cross an Octapoda melanin sluice.
queens english por favor. No latin Latin, no greek Greek, no old english Olde English. It scares the denizens of the deep However, the Sniffer is surely aware of the threat
"People sleep peaceably in their beds at night only because rough men stand ready to do violence on their behalf." - Geo. Orwell
First, whether or not you like the look of “Supernova”, and whether or not you think the price makes sense, the color does tell a cool historical story better than any stripped yellow 57-S ever could.
It definitely stands out as it seems to be the poster coin for this hoard, the one easily recognizable coin from this hoard.
Another thing is that this isn't graded Genuine, like the following Saddle Ridge Hoard 1884-S Coronet double eagle which was offered for just $2,575. There's a huge difference between environmentally damaged and problem free.
Good catch on the reactivity of copper with sea water. I happen to be in a business that builds marine refrigeration systems and know that well........But I was thinking more of a CuNi IHC proof. With the exception of my avatar, CuNi IHC's tone very little. A little sea water certainly would offer more opportunity than does ambient air.
@RogerB said:
Looks like superficial rust stains. Should come off with proper conservation and stabilization. (See Kagin's Saddle Ridge hoard.)
I asked you before and never got an answer - when was the last time you saw blue rust? And if it were merely superficial rust stains then the luster would be muted. So at worst it’s thin film interference cause by a molecules thick layer....a freak of nature even if you’re correct.
Nah. So much hubris, so little time.
Sigh. A sign I'm developing some myself
It's May 18th, but I'm going to rehabilitate my attitude by celebrating April 20th
"People sleep peaceably in their beds at night only because rough men stand ready to do violence on their behalf." - Geo. Orwell
Good catch on the reactivity of copper with sea water. I happen to be in a business that builds marine refrigeration systems and know that well........But I was thinking more of a CuNi IHC proof. With the exception of my avatar, CuNi IHC's tone very little. A little sea water certainly would offer more opportunity than does ambient air.
@Zoins said: "It [The "Golden Egg"] definitely stands out as it seems to be the poster coin for this hoard, the one easily recognizable coin from this hoard.
Another thing is that this [ditto] isn't graded Genuine, like the following Saddle Ridge Hoard 1884-S Coronet double eagle which was offered for just $2,575. There's a huge difference between environmentally damaged and problem free."
The ONLY reason to keep this "dog" of a coin in the condition it was found with the "crust" linking it to that historical numismatic treasure is that it can be returned to its original, pristine condition in just a few minutes ALSO.
As for how to do it...the info is all over the literature or the Internet.
PS I don't recommend you try this at home folks but much of this thick crust can be pushed off with a fingernail.
You just have to know which places to do it so you don't leave a trace of your handiwork. The rest can be removed by other methods. The only reason some of us don't just spill the beans is that many folks get paid for what they do.
@btcollects said:
in my mind's eye, Specialist is a majestic eagle, perched on a barbed wire fence post, ripping the guts out of a rattlesnake
Quetzalcoatlosaurus rex.
I couldn't make that up. Check it out on Google.
Though I didn't see a picture there, @bt has a way with imagery straight out of Sam Peckinpaugh
Lotta blood
"People sleep peaceably in their beds at night only because rough men stand ready to do violence on their behalf." - Geo. Orwell
@btcollects said:
in my mind's eye, Specialist is a majestic eagle, perched on a barbed wire fence post, ripping the guts out of a rattlesnake
I prefer the image of a very successful Black Widow spider with a bunch of "captures" rolled up into a very large and magnificent web.
I had a pet tarantula. She ate snake parts. :dancingsmiley2; But she was not internet-savvy
edited to add: Her spittle worked better on amplifying Naftzger Newcomb copper sheen without noticeable corrosion or coating than anything seen before and after. I've seen a few that stickered
She had a sad ending. Her work was so well-received that she developed narcissistic grandiosity and went snake hunting. Turnabout being fair play........
"People sleep peaceably in their beds at night only because rough men stand ready to do violence on their behalf." - Geo. Orwell
@specialist said: oh man, isn't that 1795 in THE TYPE SET? I'm sure TDN will bug me to find it....>
Col, I'm too exhausted-sorry, you have to write in shorter versions.
I invite you all to share what is, for me and a few faithful(sic?) students, an opportunity to savor a very special moment
"People sleep peaceably in their beds at night only because rough men stand ready to do violence on their behalf." - Geo. Orwell
@specialist said: oh man, isn't that 1795 in THE TYPE SET? I'm sure TDN will bug me to find it....>
Col, I'm too exhausted-sorry, you have to write in shorter versions.
I invite you all to share what is, for me and a few faithful(sic?) students, an opportunity to savor a very special moment
She should have held off with her request and not given you the satisfaction. 😉
No way you can sustain the torrid pace you've laid down in this thread. Its been wonderful though, I will say.
"If I say something in the woods and my wife isn't there to hear it.....am I still wrong?"
@specialist said: oh man, isn't that 1795 in THE TYPE SET? I'm sure TDN will bug me to find it....>
Col, I'm too exhausted-sorry, you have to write in shorter versions.
I invite you all to share what is, for me and a few faithful(sic?) students, an opportunity to savor a very special moment
She should have held off with her request and not given you the satisfaction. 😉
No way you can sustain the torrid pace you've laid down in this thread. Its been wonderful though, I will say.
He’s got to be tuckered out by now. Or perhaps his typing fingers are blistered.
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Walker Proof Digital Album Fellas, leave the tight pants to the ladies. If I can count the coins in your pockets you better use them to call a tailor. Stay thirsty my friends......
@CoinLieutenant The Coin you’re referring to in your following quoted post was not mine.
However, I once owned an 1892-S $20 Liberty in PCGS-65 that I had certified as a Raw Coin submission, which was at the time Pop 1 Coin prior to the discovery of the Saddle Ridge Hoard.
Who has a pic of that 1875-S MS67 20$. Was it Stuarts? I can't remember. Mama...that is a coin.
John, Is this👇the 1875-S PCGS-67 $20 Liberty that you’re referring to? I found this photo on the web, and wasn’t certain if this is the specific coin that you were referencing.
Stuart
Collect 18th & 19th Century US Type Coins, Silver Dollars, $20 Gold Double Eagles and World Crowns & Talers with High Eye Appeal
"Luck is what happens when Preparation meets Opportunity"
@Stuart asked: "John, Is this👇the 1875-S PCGS-67 $20 Liberty that you’re referring to? I found this photo on the web, and wasn’t certain if this is the specific coin that you were referencing."
That can't be the coin. While I can see 67 for the reverse - the least important side (some say only 40% of the grade), the obverse (many claim to be 60% of a coin's grade) is not close! Otherwise, there is a lot of shall we not say.... going on and most of us are not the benefactors.
@Insider2 said: @Stuart asked: "John, Is this👇the 1875-S PCGS-67 $20 Liberty that you’re referring to? I found this photo on the web, and wasn’t certain if this is the specific coin that you were referencing."
That can't be the coin. While I can see 67 for the reverse - the least important side (some say only 40% of the grade), the obverse (many claim to be 60% of a coin's grade) is not close! Otherwise, there is a lot of shall we not say.... going on and most of us are not the benefactors.
There is only one of them, but I couldn't find a pic. I remember it was graded 67 in a PCGS OGH. I remember it being all there for the grade...that coin is nice but has some issues that I wouldn't expect on a 67.
There is only one of them, but I couldn't find a pic. I remember it was graded 67 in a PCGS OGH. I remember it being all there for the grade...that coin is nice but has some issues that I wouldn't expect on a 67.
@CoinLieutenant This example is one of the reasons that I miss the former version of CoinFacts where we could access many more coin photos for research purposes.
Stuart
Collect 18th & 19th Century US Type Coins, Silver Dollars, $20 Gold Double Eagles and World Crowns & Talers with High Eye Appeal
"Luck is what happens when Preparation meets Opportunity"
@Stuart said:
John, Is this👇the 1875-S PCGS-67 $20 Liberty that you’re referring to? I found this photo on the web, and wasn’t certain if this is the specific coin that you were referencing.
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Good grief! You're so obnoxiously and condescendingly arrogant.
I disagreed with @Regulated about that 92-CC from Saddle Ridge. Unusual? Yes, very natural? Yes. No matter how glorious some find them, it still think they both look like they've been in a fire. No denying others are attracted, and I can, when viewing it from that perspective, extend empathy..
You, my sweetie, seem incapable of extending empathy to anyone who hasn't agreed and verified the best of all time, Deal of the Century, psychic wound you overcompensate for.
@nottheRealDonnaTrump is back. @specialist. your eleventh or so alt, was shut down into useful sanity. @Donna should shut up and go away. Stop pimping your product and your "virtuous wisdom/genius"..
Guess what psychological truth we're going to reveal. The more someone attacks a contrary position, the more afraid they are that they might somehow be wrong. Is your faith in your business practices so fragile? Reinforce it on your website, where true believers get their "non-fake news"
The appropriate response would be "Kisses"
LOL, you are not ready for a low-level scrum (try me) or high intellectual discourse (try me), just continuing to spew self-serving bloviation.
edited to add: narcissistic grandiosity - yeah, glad I got that in.
@OldIndianNutKase Your following quoted post is excellent! — Very well worded. 👍
I was actually thinking the same thing, that this Unique coin’s Eye Appeal extends beyond Numismatics and crosses over into the Artistic universe.
It is an Artistic Pallet combining a man-made object onto which nature has imprinted a delicate colorful pattern of chemical precipitates, which took over 130 years to naturally produce.
This unique and original combination of Numismatic and Artistic Aesthetics undoubtedly justifies the high collector interest and ultimately the auction price realized for this special coin.
Stuart
Collect 18th & 19th Century US Type Coins, Silver Dollars, $20 Gold Double Eagles and World Crowns & Talers with High Eye Appeal
"Luck is what happens when Preparation meets Opportunity"
I love the original glamour shots posted here. Part of my concern using these is that none of the many other photos taken since these early photos have come close to this, including both TrueView and slab photos by forum members. Were these flash in the pan photos that are no longer reproducible or representative of the coin?
For better or worse, I discount these glamour shots now and focus on the TrueView as it was posted later and more similar to all the other photos posted.
You could be the worst behaving SOS, ignorant, lying, America-hating, tenured Commie college professor and there is no chance you would ever be fired. In fact, you would probably receive monetary rewards for changing our country!
Try to put yourself in her position as I explained what might be the case. She is NOT dealing with a bunch of folks who are "dumb as nails."
PS I teach using a combination of the Attila the Hun/Socratic method.
Her approach is part of her charm
Any coin grading MS-67 will have marks.
However, I suggest anyone commenting about this coin who does not have the knowledge and professional experience of the folks who have seen it, graded it, stickered it, bid on it, etc look up the grading standards for MS-67 published anywhere by anyone. That said, the "Golden Egg" is almost a 300K coin!
@BryceM said: "The lack of civility in this thread is reflective of deep problems in our society. This ever-present anger is severely restricting our ability to find common ground and is counterproductive to everyone’s interests."
Be still my heart, while I look for something to offend me in this thread. Yes, we have become a weak, PC, nation of "snowflakes" that shortly will pass from this earth - probably in the same way as Rome from outside and within.
One way or the other, I should not be around to see it completed. 
Actually, I think this thread is pretty civil compared to what was said before all the bamming
@OldIndianNutKase said: "The Super Nova coin has eye appeal that extends beyond our numismatic universe and into the greater artistic. I might import some sea water to soak my untoned proof IHC's in to see what new colors emerge."
LOL, that's a great recipe for corrosion.
Col... if you don't start speaking in the queens english a dink like me can understand, I won't read what you write.
I couldn't careless what people think of me. I know my stuff-yes I do make errors, but I will never let people who have not even seen something in person make worthless comments. I firmly stand behind coins I like. Can't say too many others do. Maybe that is why what I sell usually out performs everything else (unless the ego matches are going on).
Supernova is a great wicked cool totally original coin with a factual predigree and images of it coming from the bottom of the ocean (no, I do not have those images to post).
I agree, plud the quater mil in change would seal the deal for me.
I hope you like corroded/environmentally damaged copper. Copper is far more reactive than gold. As others have already mentioned, the color on the "supernova" does NOT appear to be from thin film interference (i.e. toning) rather than a deep stain from salvage metal.
I don't care who She is dealing with or not dealing with, civility is what I am talking about here............
@Insider2
@ColonelJessup
Time to pick your brains: What chemical methods are used to conserve shipwreck coins and wouldn't those methods clean up thin surface films or toning leaving behind only deep stains?
Translates as your partner's prime repartee, "Kisses".
Something about a culo, I'd imagine
That's Queen's capitalized and with a possessive, not pluralized. And English because it's always capitalized. And pedigree 1/2 point off for no Spell-check.
I've known you for 40 years. C'mon, down and dirty like you promised. Sorry you can't understand the mumbo-jumbo I'm sure plenty of people here understand. And so do you. So shut your obnoxious patronizing defensive hate-filled yap and get the Twitter account we know you so richly deserve. You're just soooo lucky to haveThe Revealed Truth.
I'm sure billionaires like you. Most of them seem fairly regular guys. You are passionate in their service. You do well for them.
You have a good business plan. You've finally learned something about coins.
In your own words, in his parking lot after the fake '26 $20 from PA, you told me you're a better grader than JA. Brava! Blovia!.
I'm a has-been
, but you've got the defensiveness of a wannabe. But you were better-mannered when you spent your years catching up to us. Humility, or just fear of humiliation?
If you want to ride the tiger, you better be prepared for some mauling when you fall off. Feeding your demons is a major life skill for some (like us)
Got fan-boys here? You actually deserve them. Let them defend the coin.
I could care less for the coin pictured. Loads have loved it,; it's been officialized as lovable. By people I admire and respect. @boiler78 can use my checkbook any time he wants even if I don't favor the coin myself.
But the incontrovertible truth, of which only I am in full possession, indicates you are a nasty brat with a chip on your shoulder who craps on anyone who disagrees with you. You don't know how to argue, just to proclaim.
BTW, in your ignorance (per your partner/client/co-pimp), you called the toning on1795 Draped SP66 "funky". which is code for something far worse than what afflicts the coin. While the Garrett and Hayes images do not do the coin full justice,
a quick check of Jay Miller's (another personal friend of Jimmy's) still-open web-site, will show the coin as pretty much blast-white. Sorry I can't linkify, but coinsite.com/1795-draped-bust-dollar-small-eagle-ex-hayes is more fun to look at than Beyoncé's butt
But not DMPL. ROFLMAO you ignoramuses. Feels good, don't it. Crapping on those whom you totally know you totally know more than.... You are a world-class coin-dealer with a rich fund of knowledge. With the self-congratulatory blather of an insecure rookie..
You and JA and I and this Forum and know I know doctoring, we were on the same PNG committee. What you don't know is conservation, the knowledge of which informs a coin doctor's skills. So this conservationist will tell you, and the owner, and the PCGS Restoration crew, that that is totally natural secondary toning. Imperfect storage perhaps?
@Insider2 could figure it out.
Hell, Gene Sanders could figure it out.
The coin can be easily restored to its former glory circa 1985.
You shouldn't answer me, especially if you understand me as fully as I know you do. Brush up on your Shakespeare (Elizabeth I was the "Queen" of "the Queen's English", recognize that I am actually much more capable of inflicting psychic damage than you are, remember that a whole lot of people you don't care about (and some you might if you didn't know they thought and felt the same) will chortle.
Besides, do you really think I'm actually talking to you.
I'd want certification that on the trip to the surface, that Supernova didn't inadvertently cross an Octapoda melanin sluice.
Courtesy Photo Post for @ColonelJessup
Web Link:. 1795 SP-66 Draped Bust Dollar - Small Eagle (Ex-Hayes)
Stuart
Collect 18th & 19th Century US Type Coins, Silver Dollars, $20 Gold Double Eagles and World Crowns & Talers with High Eye Appeal
"Luck is what happens when Preparation meets Opportunity"
The only method used to conserve shipwreck silver is to burn off all the environmental damage, Maybe twice for the zombies. I've seen cyanide work.
Bear in mind that thin-film refraction is most observable/detectable when backlighting from surface lustre accentuates its presence. The rugosity of ED surfaces, already porous from the smooth surfaces having rotted away, reflects little. The thin-film materials for the phenomenon might be present, but subdued to the point where only microscopic examination will reveal it.
If you read the recovery restoration expert's previously posted description, I get the impression much of the (larger) gold
got cleaned up without being stripped of crust, so a lot of very fine specific "soft scrubbing" with something like various paintbrushes with different tensile strength "hairs". Maybe time in an ultrasonic to loosen some larger particles adhering. Without seeing any in-hand pre-conservation, I still have reservations about Fractional Gold with its extremely high copper content not needing chemical means.
edited to add: @Regulated has related to many that his process for conserving the Saddle Ridge gold was, at the end, a five-chemical protocol, but which, in what combination and in what order, took him most of a year of experimentation to develop and refine.
Two things to add.
First, whether or not you like the look of “Supernova”, and whether or not you think the price makes sense, the color does tell a cool historical story better than any stripped yellow 57-S ever could.
And second, a confession. CJ got me to google Beyoncé’s butt.
Doggedly collecting coins of the Central American Republic.
Visit the Society of US Pattern Collectors at USPatterns.com.
Did she mind?
Smitten with DBLCs.
queens english por favor. No latin Latin, no greek Greek, no old english Olde English. It scares the denizens of the deep
However, the Sniffer is surely aware of the threat 
It definitely stands out as it seems to be the poster coin for this hoard, the one easily recognizable coin from this hoard.
Another thing is that this isn't graded Genuine, like the following Saddle Ridge Hoard 1884-S Coronet double eagle which was offered for just $2,575. There's a huge difference between environmentally damaged and problem free.
I've been this coin's bitch for the last 40 years
@Cameonut
@Insider2
Good catch on the reactivity of copper with sea water. I happen to be in a business that builds marine refrigeration systems and know that well........But I was thinking more of a CuNi IHC proof. With the exception of my avatar, CuNi IHC's tone very little. A little sea water certainly would offer more opportunity than does ambient air.
OINK
Nah. So much hubris, so little time.
Sigh. A sign I'm developing some myself
It's May 18th, but I'm going to rehabilitate my attitude by celebrating April 20th
Copper sulfate is blue in crystalline form....a little more green/grey when water escapes. There's approx 10% copper in a classic US gold coin.
Why stop - you’re on a roll
I still maintain that electric blue requires thin film interference. But whatever
So would Iodine, LOL.
To quote @ColonelJessup "more fun to look at than Beyoncé's butt"
Let's see............
@Zoins said: "It [The "Golden Egg"] definitely stands out as it seems to be the poster coin for this hoard, the one easily recognizable coin from this hoard.
Another thing is that this [ditto] isn't graded Genuine, like the following Saddle Ridge Hoard 1884-S Coronet double eagle which was offered for just $2,575. There's a huge difference between environmentally damaged and problem free."
The ONLY reason to keep this "dog" of a coin in the condition it was found with the "crust" linking it to that historical numismatic treasure is that it can be returned to its original, pristine condition in just a few minutes ALSO.
As for how to do it...the info is all over the literature or the Internet.
PS I don't recommend you try this at home folks but much of this thick crust can be pushed off with a fingernail.
You just have to know which places to do it so you don't leave a trace of your handiwork. The rest can be removed by other methods. The only reason some of us don't just spill the beans is that many folks get paid for what they do.
Quetzalcoatlosaurus rex.
I couldn't make that up.
Check it out on Google. 
Though I didn't see a picture there, @bt has a way with imagery straight out of Sam Peckinpaugh
Lotta blood
I prefer the image of a very successful Black Widow spider with a bunch of "captures" rolled up into a very large and magnificent web.
I miss Sam Peckinpah.
End Systemic Elitism - It Takes All of Us
ANA LM, LSCC, EAC, FUN
I had a pet tarantula. She ate snake parts.
:dancingsmiley2; But she was not internet-savvy 
edited to add: Her spittle worked better on amplifying Naftzger Newcomb copper sheen without noticeable corrosion or coating than anything seen before and after. I've seen a few that stickered
She had a sad ending. Her work was so well-received that she developed narcissistic grandiosity and went snake hunting. Turnabout being fair play........
woa woa woa.... I was about to click agree until I saw THIS!!! No way is any coin more fun to look at than Beyoncé's works of pure art. case closed.
Minor Variety Trade dollar's with chop marks set:
More Than It's Chopped Up To Be
I'm sticking to my story until Mr. Carter's out of town.
I actually held the Garrett-Hayes $1 in-hand. I see no other way to make a fair comparison
oh man, isn't that 1795 in THE TYPE SET? I'm sure TDN will bug me to find it......
Col, I'm too exhausted-sorry, you have to write in shorter versions.
I invite you all to share what is, for me and a few faithful(sic?) students, an opportunity to savor a very special moment
I love to watch the Col v specialist battles. Brings me back to the good old days.
Who has a pic of that 1875-S MS67 20$. Was it Stuarts? I can't remember. Mama...that is a coin.
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She should have held off with her request and not given you the satisfaction. 😉
No way you can sustain the torrid pace you've laid down in this thread. Its been wonderful though, I will say.
"If I say something in the woods and my wife isn't there to hear it.....am I still wrong?"
My Washington Quarter Registry set...in progress
Repeat 100x. It is not thin film interference.
He’s got to be tuckered out by now. Or perhaps his typing fingers are blistered.
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Fellas, leave the tight pants to the ladies. If I can count the coins in your pockets you better use them to call a tailor. Stay thirsty my friends......
@CoinLieutenant The Coin you’re referring to in your following quoted post was not mine.
However, I once owned an 1892-S $20 Liberty in PCGS-65 that I had certified as a Raw Coin submission, which was at the time Pop 1 Coin prior to the discovery of the Saddle Ridge Hoard.
John, Is this👇the 1875-S PCGS-67 $20 Liberty that you’re referring to? I found this photo on the web, and wasn’t certain if this is the specific coin that you were referencing.
Stuart
Collect 18th & 19th Century US Type Coins, Silver Dollars, $20 Gold Double Eagles and World Crowns & Talers with High Eye Appeal
"Luck is what happens when Preparation meets Opportunity"
This thread has wheels. Watching Titans clash is good entertainment.
@Stuart asked: "John, Is this👇the 1875-S PCGS-67 $20 Liberty that you’re referring to? I found this photo on the web, and wasn’t certain if this is the specific coin that you were referencing."
That can't be the coin. While I can see 67 for the reverse - the least important side (some say only 40% of the grade), the obverse (many claim to be 60% of a coin's grade) is not close! Otherwise, there is a lot of shall we not say.... going on and most of us are not the benefactors.
There is only one of them, but I couldn't find a pic. I remember it was graded 67 in a PCGS OGH. I remember it being all there for the grade...that coin is nice but has some issues that I wouldn't expect on a 67.
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@CoinLieutenant This example is one of the reasons that I miss the former version of CoinFacts where we could access many more coin photos for research purposes.
Stuart
Collect 18th & 19th Century US Type Coins, Silver Dollars, $20 Gold Double Eagles and World Crowns & Talers with High Eye Appeal
"Luck is what happens when Preparation meets Opportunity"
There is no way that is a 67 - mechanical error!
It never had a truview @Stuart....but I hear you. I think the coin had a stacks pedigree. Killing me I can't remember who owned it.
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