No nothings ( I would never say that BTW) or experts alike would be all be barking up the wrong tree if they only judged this coin by its online pictures.
There'd be a significant drop in the number of comments on this message board if people stopped judging coins based only on the pictures of them they see posted online.
True. It’s sort of sport here. In this case enough people saw the coin in hand. Those opinions differed vastly from those viewing it online.
It is what it is I guess
m
Walker Proof Digital Album Fellas, leave the tight pants to the ladies. If I can count the coins in your pockets you better use them to call a tailor. Stay thirsty my friends......
@Stuart said: "@Insider2 Numismatic Beauty is very subjective. — To each his own.😁👍
I personally would prefer this👇PCGS-66 because of the gorgeous Cartwheel Mint Luster.
YIKES! You got me all wrong. I try to write about both sides of every discussion when warranted. Your coin is in SO MUCH better condition of preservation than the "Golden Egg" that it is not a fair comparison! Shame on you.
I prefer the eye appeal of your coin. BUT commercially, it's just one of the original coins pulled from the wreck in gem MS and conserved if needed. The other coin is unique - $280K worth of unique to its new owner.
I always recommend that coins with color be left alone because they will be desirable to the "color" group and desirable to the guys who cannot wait to remove the color! That's double the potential buyers.
@specialist said:
OMG, shut up people. Yes, i said that. _NO ONE can grade from an image. _And to it seems few here can grade period.
PCGS and CAC have seen it and agreed about it. I forgot-the people here are smarter then them-NOT!
Bidders took it to $282,000.00.
This is equal to the 80S PCGS MS68+ toner that brought over $50G.....
I tried to buy that coin from the day I saw it. Last I know about my self, I know what I am doing.....
Get over your petty jealousies and accept it is a real treasure and phenomenal quality and toned coin.
Everything you write is true. The coin is what it is (a real treasure and phenomenal quality and toned coin ) and it has been professionally evaluated by many folks way above the pay grade and experience of us "no nothings." However, while things like rub, hairlines, and luster can be hidden by lighting and the position of the coin, it is virtually impossible to hide every single contact mark.
As I wrote above, all those involved in this sale should be extremely happy that the "Golden Egg" came into their life!
No nothings ( I would never say that BTW) or experts alike would be all be barking up the wrong tree if they only judged this coin by its online pictures.
There'd be a significant drop in the number of comments on this message board if people stopped judging coins based only on the pictures of them they see posted online.
I have to disagree with you here! Odds are better than 90% if you remove that color and try to make it like @Stuart 's example it would have some degree of pitting. Stuart....if you will look at my 1st post in this thread I said the same as you. Pictures or no....I still call this coin environmentally damaged and would guarantee if I submitted it without the history that's how it would come back to me.
@Stuart said: Courtesy Photo Post — I have no skin in this game!!
IMO she appears to be Environmentally Damaged (or at least Altered) by Long Term Exposure in Sea Water, resulting from a famous ship wreck...
Come on guys. We can call any discolored gold environmentally damaged (or at least altered). There are many folks who consider any form of stain or chemical reaction to metal to be damage of some kind. Even anodizing aluminum that is done to protect it can be said to be a form of damage.
Since all the color will come right off in less that a minute or two revealing its "true" grade, the only actual damage to the coin are the bag marks and scratch across the neck. Assuming that this coin came out of the water with blue accents, there is a simple reason it was left the way it is and graded MS-67: $280K. Where are you going to get another one like it? SCORE, and congratulations to all concerned with this moneymaker! I call it the "Golden Egg."
Well, at least 2 people with a dog in the hunt like it.....
"My friends who see my collection sometimes ask what something costs. I tell them and they are in awe at my stupidity." (Baccaruda, 12/03).I find it hard to believe that he (Trump) rushed to some hotel to meet girls of loose morals, although ours are undoubtedly the best in the world. (Putin 1/17) Gone but not forgotten. IGWT, Speedy, Bear, BigE, HokieFore, John Burns, Russ, TahoeDale, Dahlonega, Astrorat, Stewart Blay, Oldhoopster, Broadstruck, Ricko, Big Moose, Cardinal.
@specialist said:
Love the no nothings who comment.
Why do you denigrate folks here all of the time? Can't you make your point and be civil while doing so? BTW, should be 'know nothing"......
While we all are waiting for the "Angry Feline" to reply, let me give you something to think about. I've been looking at coins for a very long time and getting paid to play at one of my hobbies. Nevertheless, there is a group of folks who post here that know more about coins than I ever will even if I were going to be alive for another twenty years! They are a rare group who I will not embarrass with tags.
At the level they operate on, all the rest of us are basically "know nothings." Trust me when I tell you that folks who are not at their level can be very frustrating at times. Think of it this way. Many of us look at a coin and see a rim nick. The "Big Guys and Gals" at the TPGS, CAC , major dealers, etc may see it or may not - even though it is there and they see it! That's JUST ONE OF THE THINGS that separates them from us.
PS I wish I could take the muzzle off my replies to some members here as Laura often does.
To clarify for the record, the following👇coin is not mine (wish it were), but a CoinFacts public image that I used as an example to illustrate my point in an earlier post on this thread. 👍
Stuart
Collect 18th & 19th Century US Type Coins, Silver Dollars, $20 Gold Double Eagles and World Crowns & Talers with High Eye Appeal
"Luck is what happens when Preparation meets Opportunity"
@specialist said:
Love the no nothings who comment.
Why do you denigrate folks here all of the time? Can't you make your point and be civil while doing so? BTW, should be 'know nothing"......
While we all are waiting for the "Angry Feline" to reply, let me give you something to think about. I've been looking at coins for a very long time and getting paid to play at one of my hobbies. Nevertheless, there is a group of folks who post here that know more about coins than I ever will even if I were going to be alive for another twenty years! They are a rare group who I will not embarrass with tags.
At the level they operate on, all the rest of us are basically "know nothings." Trust me when I tell you that folks who are not at their level can be very frustrating at times. Think of it this way. Many of us look at a coin and see a rim nick. The "Big Guys and Gals" at the TPGS, CAC , major dealers, etc may see it or may not - even though it is there and they see it! That's JUST ONE OF THE THINGS that separates them from us.
PS I wish I could take the muzzle off my replies to some members here as Laura often does.
I teach 18 to 20 somethings in the class room and my lab almost every day. Most of them have no clue what they are doing and ask questions or make comments that would make any expert think they are dumb as nails. But if I were to denigrate them the way specialist has with us lesser folks here on these boards, I would be fired.
I’d like to respectfully ask those who have seen this coin in hand, if they examined the 4 Blue Circled Areas👇below?
If yes what are your impressions of them, and do you feel they’re commensurate with an MS-67 grade? — Just asking to solicit first hand viewer impressions.
Thanks in advance for your replies!👍
Stuart
Collect 18th & 19th Century US Type Coins, Silver Dollars, $20 Gold Double Eagles and World Crowns & Talers with High Eye Appeal
"Luck is what happens when Preparation meets Opportunity"
@tradedollarnut said:
Those who love white Morgans and lustrous yellow gold - more power to ya as I agree that they’re pretty. But they’re not near unique at all. I’d never collect white Morgan’s - why bother?
I'm sure Legend customers who have purchased blast white MS68 or superb gem better date Morgans from Legend will be overjoyed to hear this. Ditto for some consignors to Legend Auctions. Legend sure has a way of sticking its foot in its mouth at times.
@specialist said:
This is equal to the 80S PCGS MS68+ toner that brought over $50G.....
I'm sorry, but this coin doesn't hold a candle to the MS68+ $50k toner. If I had purchased the 1880-S, I would be deeply offended by your comparison. The "supernova" is interesting and has history and character - I'll concede that; however, it is nowhere near being in the same universe as the other coin. You undermine your credibility when you make ridiculous statements like that.
No nothings ( I would never say that BTW) or experts alike would be all be barking up the wrong tree if they only judged this coin by its online pictures.
There'd be a significant drop in the number of comments on this message board if people stopped judging coins based only on the pictures of them they see posted online.
True. It’s sort of sport here. In this case enough people saw the coin in hand. Those opinions differed vastly from those viewing it online.
It is what it is I guess
m
Not everyone who saw the coin in hand called it a ravishing beauty as some (not you) seem to suggest either.
@tradedollarnut said:
Those who love white Morgans and lustrous yellow gold - more power to ya as I agree that they’re pretty. But they’re not near unique at all. I’d never collect white Morgan’s - why bother?
I'm sure Legend customers who have purchased blast white MS68 or superb gem better date Morgans from Legend will be overjoyed to hear this. Ditto for some consignors to Legend Auctions. Legend sure has a way of sticking its foot in its mouth at times.
Pffft. To each their own. I’m not the first to say this and I won’t be the last. Plenty of stories about the collector who finishes a blast white Morgan collection and shows it off only to hear ‘they all look the same’. Sunnywood did it right....
@tradedollarnut said:
One is sadly mistaken if they think a $20 gold ms67 has no marks...
Of course they do. The coins are soft, big, and clunky. The coin should compare favorably to other MS67s. This is the part where you will say that color forgives a lot. Rainbow toning can diminish and obscure hits. The color on this coin seems to accentuate the marks. I think that is where much of the dissent as to the grade is coming from.
All in all, an entertaining thread. Congrats to the new owner, consignor, and Legend.
My take, not that anyone cares, is that it’s a coin with a unique appearance and great story. It might be a smidge overgraded from a technical, stuff-you-can-see-in-a-photo point of view, but it doesn’t seem over-graded when compared to outrageous toners in any other series. Some people seem to be very bothered by this. Really, that’s a separate discussion. Luster and in-hand appearance could easily carry it.
That said, I can both like the coin, appreciate the coin, and in no way be interested in it at that price point, even if I did have stupendous wealth. Perhaps that makes me a “no-nothing”, but my world view is broad enough to allow for a variety of tastes and opinions. I also find its current holder to be cheesy, unwieldy, and unnecessarily encumbered by a smidge of inconsequential gold dust.
The lack of civility in this thread is reflective of deep problems in our society. This ever-present anger is severely restricting our ability to find common ground and is counterproductive to everyone’s interests.
@BryceM said:
All in all, an entertaining thread. Congrats to the new owner, consignor, and Legend.
My take, not that anyone cares, is that it’s a coin with a unique appearance and great story. It might be a smidge overgraded from a technical, stuff-you-can-see-in-a-photo point of view, but it doesn’t seem to be over-graded when compared to outrageous toners in any other series. Some people seem to be very bothered by this. Really, that’s a separate discussion. Luster and in-hand appearance could easily carry it.
That said, I can both like the coin, appreciate the coin, and in no way be interested in it at that price point, even if I did have stupendous wealth. Perhaps that makes me a “no-nothing”, but my world view is broad enough to allow for a variety of tastes and opinions. I also find its current holder to be cheesy, unwieldy, and unnecessarily encumbered by a smidge of inconsequential gold dust.
The lack of civility in this thread is reflective of deep problems in our society. This ever-present anger is severely restricting our ability to find common ground and is counterproductive to everyone’s interests.
Speaking of Grumpy Cat, I read today that this cat died at 7 years of age recently. Further the woman who owned Grumpy Cat earned millions of dollars from having her cat become an internet sensation.
@BryceM said:
All in all, an entertaining thread. Congrats to the new owner, consignor, and Legend.
My take, not that anyone cares, is that it’s a coin with a unique appearance and great story. It might be a smidge overgraded from a technical, stuff-you-can-see-in-a-photo point of view, but it doesn’t seem over-graded when compared to outrageous toners in any other series. Some people seem to be very bothered by this. Really, that’s a separate discussion. Luster and in-hand appearance could easily carry it.
That said, I can both like the coin, appreciate the coin, and in no way be interested in it at that price point, even if I did have stupendous wealth. Perhaps that makes me a “no-nothing”, but my world view is broad enough to allow for a variety of tastes and opinions. I also find its current holder to be cheesy, unwieldy, and unnecessarily encumbered by a smidge of inconsequential gold dust.
The lack of civility in this thread is reflective of deep problems in our society. This ever-present anger is severely restricting our ability to find common ground and is counterproductive to everyone’s interests.
I wonder how much, if any, of this discourse is driven by the bi-furcation in the market where some coins are worth huge sums and others not much at all. In a market where there is a huge disparity in value, how much do people care abut judging whether a coin is fit for the premium?
@SanctionII said:
Speaking of Grumpy Cat, I read today that this cat died at 7 years of age recently. Further the woman who owned Grumpy Cat earned millions of dollars from having her cat become an internet sensation.
Pretty amazing story.
RIP Grumpy Cat.
I'd definitely have that one stuffed. Maybe she could start a mini-museum and charge his fans money to come see him. That way the cat's legacy would live on.
I don’t agree the coin is PQ or a supernova with its splotchy dark toning. Frankly I find it unattractive, low end.
I do admire their marketing push on it. It will be interesting to see what it brings.
With that kind of money would take the $270 k - instead of buying that would go to a big show like Long Beach with 4 slab storage boxes of 20 and buy walkers, Commems, Dollars, gold I liked off the bourse. Then I would send in my table fee for next show.
The 3 marks circled on the 1857-s in a previous post are superficial imo and would not even prevent a MS68 grade imo if the luster and overall blast of the coin were even better. That potential patch of "hairlines" in the field could be something....could also be mint die lines or just a toning pattern.
The "rim nicks" mentioned on that monster 1902-s are just not important. The cheek on the 1902-s has some stacking or bag friction or even light roller marks...not sure which. Pretty standard stuff on nearly every gem $20 Lib. Forget finding a puffy smooth cheek like you might see on a MS67/68 Morgan dollar....you won't even find cheeks fully clean and puffy on MS67 Morgan dollars....so why expect them on the softer metal gold coin?
That 1902-s may be an ex-Eliasberg coin as it's where many of the Type 3 MS66-MS67 better date $20 Libs come from...especially the S mints of the mid 1890's to 1907-s....most, if not all were hand-plucked from the San Francisco mint at time of issue by John Clapp. I suspect he was fussy too and looked through many to pick out only clean ones of each date. He did the same thing with his gem S mint Barbers. And he picked these coins out before these bags of gold coins were shuffled around for years or decades to come....imparting many more marks to them.
I first started researching better date type 3 $20 Libs in 1979. The Eliasberg sale in 1982 was my first chance to try and nab some of the "gems." Well, I was blown out of the water because I was still applying the standards of grading silver coins (ie seated, bust, barber, and Morgans) to gem $20's. It didn't work then....and it doesn't work today. All those cool GEM S mint $20's that I graded as MS64++ and 65 and 65+ or 65++ back then....not a single one did I call fully superb. They all "had marks." And with great disappointment I noted those "chattered" cheeks and "scratchy/ticky" fields....probably even the rim nicks. Yet they were still blasty and amazing looking coins. I graded the darn things like Morgan dollars....lol. Most of them realized 2X what I was willing to pay. And it wasn't until I saw them get TPG graded MS66 or even MS67 in 1986-1989 that I realized it was me who had it all wrong back in 1982...I had consistently graded those superb gem $20 Libs 1-1.5 points too low.
@Stuart said:
I’d like to respectfully ask those who have seen this coin in hand, if they examined the 4 Blue Circled Areas👇below?
If yes what are your impressions of them, and do you feel they’re commensurate with an MS-67 grade? — Just asking to solicit first hand viewer impressions.
This coin is not for everyone. The pictures don’t help the coin and it looks much better in hand. The ding above the eye is very visible without a loupe.
The Super Nova coin has eye appeal that extends beyond our numismatic universe and into the greater artistic universe. It's toning pattern and colors make it a truly unique coin. I could study that coin for hours just trying to comprehend how the colors and toning patterns developed in it's undersea environment. I might import some sea water to soak my untoned proof IHC's in to see what new colors emerge.
If I had purchased the coin I would sell ultra high resolution images of the coin as it would make great wall art, knowing that I might recoup a significant part of my purchase price.
Buried back here on Page 4, after all the responses I have dutifully read on the Supernova . . . I can only wonder what BagBurn would go for in this market ?????
@OldIndianNutKase said:
If I had purchased the coin I would sell ultra high resolution images of the coin as it would make great wall art, knowing that I might recoup a significant part of my purchase price.
It would be great if this happened. Before selling images, the first step would be for the owner to hang up wall art him or herself for others to enjoy.
I’ve previously suggested cultivating coins as wall art as a way to generate interest from non-coin audiences.
There’s a lot of room between 67 and 70. Speaking for myself, with respect to classic coins, I’m more familiar with the spread from MS62-66. These grades account for the bulk of what I own and typically examine. Better coins aren’t in every case at every show.
I remember my first big show. I was so excited to finally have a chance to see some real life MS-67 Peace dollars and MS68 Walkers. I was expecting to be blown away by their pure magnificence. Well, when I saw them I was frankly disappointed. They weren’t perfect! Eventually I wrapped my head around the subtleties. It takes seeing a few thousand (or hundred thousand) to recognize it when a really special one shows up.
@Stuart said:
I’d like to respectfully ask those who have seen this coin in hand, if they examined the 4 Blue Circled Areas👇below?
If yes what are your impressions of them, and do you feel they’re commensurate with an MS-67 grade? — Just asking to solicit first hand viewer impressions.
This coin is not for everyone. The pictures don’t help the coin and it looks much better in hand. The ding above the eye is very visible without a loupe.
It’s interesting that most of the photos are not super attractive, other than the very first PCGS glamour shots, in my opinion.
I wonder if the owner will have more photos taken and published.
Comments
True. It’s sort of sport here. In this case enough people saw the coin in hand. Those opinions differed vastly from those viewing it online.
It is what it is I guess
m
Fellas, leave the tight pants to the ladies. If I can count the coins in your pockets you better use them to call a tailor. Stay thirsty my friends......
@Stuart said: "@Insider2 Numismatic Beauty is very subjective. — To each his own.😁👍
YIKES! You got me all wrong. I try to write about both sides of every discussion when warranted. Your coin is in SO MUCH better condition of preservation than the "Golden Egg" that it is not a fair comparison! Shame on you.
I prefer the eye appeal of your coin. BUT commercially, it's just one of the original coins pulled from the wreck in gem MS and conserved if needed. The other coin is unique - $280K worth of unique to its new owner.
I always recommend that coins with color be left alone because they will be desirable to the "color" group and desirable to the guys who cannot wait to remove the color! That's double the potential buyers.
Everything you write is true. The coin is what it is (a real treasure and phenomenal quality and toned coin ) and it has been professionally evaluated by many folks way above the pay grade and experience of us "no nothings." However, while things like rub, hairlines, and luster can be hidden by lighting and the position of the coin, it is virtually impossible to hide every single contact mark.
As I wrote above, all those involved in this sale should be extremely happy that the "Golden Egg" came into their life!
My comment above applies to you too.
I have to disagree with you here! Odds are better than 90% if you remove that color and try to make it like @Stuart 's example it would have some degree of pitting. Stuart....if you will look at my 1st post in this thread I said the same as you. Pictures or no....I still call this coin environmentally damaged and would guarantee if I submitted it without the history that's how it would come back to me.
Regardless of what people think of the coin, I’m glad there’s enough money in this coin market to support this price level.
I hope the new owner will reveal him or herself and show off the coin.
Why do you denigrate folks here all of the time? Can't you make your point and be civil while doing so? BTW, should be 'know nothing"......
Well, at least 2 people with a dog in the hunt like it.....
While we all are waiting for the "Angry Feline" to reply, let me give you something to think about. I've been looking at coins for a very long time and getting paid to play at one of my hobbies. Nevertheless, there is a group of folks who post here that know more about coins than I ever will even if I were going to be alive for another twenty years! They are a rare group who I will not embarrass with tags.
At the level they operate on, all the rest of us are basically "know nothings." Trust me when I tell you that folks who are not at their level can be very frustrating at times. Think of it this way. Many of us look at a coin and see a rim nick. The "Big Guys and Gals" at the TPGS, CAC , major dealers, etc may see it or may not - even though it is there and they see it! That's JUST ONE OF THE THINGS that separates them from us.
PS I wish I could take the muzzle off my replies to some members here as Laura often does.
Will the new owner have the "Supernova" designation applied to the holder at some point? Since this is how the piece was marketed.
The 75S IS a moose and I would buy tat coin in a heart beat too. The ship wreck coins has the color and history.
To clarify for the record, the following👇coin is not mine (wish it were), but a CoinFacts public image that I used as an example to illustrate my point in an earlier post on this thread. 👍
Stuart
Collect 18th & 19th Century US Type Coins, Silver Dollars, $20 Gold Double Eagles and World Crowns & Talers with High Eye Appeal
"Luck is what happens when Preparation meets Opportunity"
I teach 18 to 20 somethings in the class room and my lab almost every day. Most of them have no clue what they are doing and ask questions or make comments that would make any expert think they are dumb as nails. But if I were to denigrate them the way specialist has with us lesser folks here on these boards, I would be fired.
Be CIVIL.
Best, SH
I’d like to respectfully ask those who have seen this coin in hand, if they examined the 4 Blue Circled Areas👇below?
If yes what are your impressions of them, and do you feel they’re commensurate with an MS-67 grade? — Just asking to solicit first hand viewer impressions.
Thanks in advance for your replies!👍
Stuart
Collect 18th & 19th Century US Type Coins, Silver Dollars, $20 Gold Double Eagles and World Crowns & Talers with High Eye Appeal
"Luck is what happens when Preparation meets Opportunity"
I'm sure Legend customers who have purchased blast white MS68 or superb gem better date Morgans from Legend will be overjoyed to hear this. Ditto for some consignors to Legend Auctions. Legend sure has a way of sticking its foot in its mouth at times.
I'm sorry, but this coin doesn't hold a candle to the MS68+ $50k toner. If I had purchased the 1880-S, I would be deeply offended by your comparison. The "supernova" is interesting and has history and character - I'll concede that; however, it is nowhere near being in the same universe as the other coin. You undermine your credibility when you make ridiculous statements like that.
Not everyone who saw the coin in hand called it a ravishing beauty as some (not you) seem to suggest either.
Pffft. To each their own. I’m not the first to say this and I won’t be the last. Plenty of stories about the collector who finishes a blast white Morgan collection and shows it off only to hear ‘they all look the same’. Sunnywood did it right....
Ps - I love a 68 blast white Morgan. Just don’t do a hundred plus coin all white set. Boring....
?
One is sadly mistaken if they think a $20 gold ms67 has no marks...
Of course they do. The coins are soft, big, and clunky. The coin should compare favorably to other MS67s. This is the part where you will say that color forgives a lot. Rainbow toning can diminish and obscure hits. The color on this coin seems to accentuate the marks. I think that is where much of the dissent as to the grade is coming from.
It's "Grumpy Cat" Grumpy Cat died.
Who? I'm sorry, I'm a little slow tonight. Is "Grumpy Cat" (cf. Black Cat) another pet name for one of her clients? I'm so confused right now.
This thread goes to prove there can be a thousand opinions on just one coin...
Dude it's a cat. Google it
only on truly spectacular coins.
I cant get 1000 people to look at my coins.
Minor Variety Trade dollar's with chop marks set:
More Than It's Chopped Up To Be
For comparison purposes with the subject coin of this thread...
PCGS Description of Mint State 67: ”Very well struck with minor imperfections visible without magnification.”
PCGS PhotoGrade $20 Gold Liberty MS-67 Photo Example:
Stuart
Collect 18th & 19th Century US Type Coins, Silver Dollars, $20 Gold Double Eagles and World Crowns & Talers with High Eye Appeal
"Luck is what happens when Preparation meets Opportunity"
All in all, an entertaining thread. Congrats to the new owner, consignor, and Legend.
My take, not that anyone cares, is that it’s a coin with a unique appearance and great story. It might be a smidge overgraded from a technical, stuff-you-can-see-in-a-photo point of view, but it doesn’t seem over-graded when compared to outrageous toners in any other series. Some people seem to be very bothered by this. Really, that’s a separate discussion. Luster and in-hand appearance could easily carry it.
That said, I can both like the coin, appreciate the coin, and in no way be interested in it at that price point, even if I did have stupendous wealth. Perhaps that makes me a “no-nothing”, but my world view is broad enough to allow for a variety of tastes and opinions. I also find its current holder to be cheesy, unwieldy, and unnecessarily encumbered by a smidge of inconsequential gold dust.
The lack of civility in this thread is reflective of deep problems in our society. This ever-present anger is severely restricting our ability to find common ground and is counterproductive to everyone’s interests.
Very well stated.
Smitten with DBLCs.
Speaking of Grumpy Cat, I read today that this cat died at 7 years of age recently. Further the woman who owned Grumpy Cat earned millions of dollars from having her cat become an internet sensation.
Pretty amazing story.
RIP Grumpy Cat.
I wonder how much, if any, of this discourse is driven by the bi-furcation in the market where some coins are worth huge sums and others not much at all. In a market where there is a huge disparity in value, how much do people care abut judging whether a coin is fit for the premium?
I'd definitely have that one stuffed. Maybe she could start a mini-museum and charge his fans money to come see him. That way the cat's legacy would live on.
http://abcnews.go.com/US/grieving-pet-owners-opt-stuffing-freezing-drying-deceased/story?id=16022869
I can't believe I said angry cat, geez was I tired. The cats real name was Tarter Sauce. She died of a urinary tract infection. RIP.
I doubt any of the no nothings are actually jealous? > @zodiac65 said:
You should be fine if you just think of the blue stains as Ty-D-Bol swirling as you flush
I don’t agree the coin is PQ or a supernova with its splotchy dark toning. Frankly I find it unattractive, low end.
I do admire their marketing push on it. It will be interesting to see what it brings.
With that kind of money would take the $270 k - instead of buying that would go to a big show like Long Beach with 4 slab storage boxes of 20 and buy walkers, Commems, Dollars, gold I liked off the bourse. Then I would send in my table fee for next show.
I predict $282k. Lol
The 3 marks circled on the 1857-s in a previous post are superficial imo and would not even prevent a MS68 grade imo if the luster and overall blast of the coin were even better. That potential patch of "hairlines" in the field could be something....could also be mint die lines or just a toning pattern.
The "rim nicks" mentioned on that monster 1902-s are just not important. The cheek on the 1902-s has some stacking or bag friction or even light roller marks...not sure which. Pretty standard stuff on nearly every gem $20 Lib. Forget finding a puffy smooth cheek like you might see on a MS67/68 Morgan dollar....you won't even find cheeks fully clean and puffy on MS67 Morgan dollars....so why expect them on the softer metal gold coin?
That 1902-s may be an ex-Eliasberg coin as it's where many of the Type 3 MS66-MS67 better date $20 Libs come from...especially the S mints of the mid 1890's to 1907-s....most, if not all were hand-plucked from the San Francisco mint at time of issue by John Clapp. I suspect he was fussy too and looked through many to pick out only clean ones of each date. He did the same thing with his gem S mint Barbers. And he picked these coins out before these bags of gold coins were shuffled around for years or decades to come....imparting many more marks to them.
I first started researching better date type 3 $20 Libs in 1979. The Eliasberg sale in 1982 was my first chance to try and nab some of the "gems." Well, I was blown out of the water because I was still applying the standards of grading silver coins (ie seated, bust, barber, and Morgans) to gem $20's. It didn't work then....and it doesn't work today. All those cool GEM S mint $20's that I graded as MS64++ and 65 and 65+ or 65++ back then....not a single one did I call fully superb. They all "had marks." And with great disappointment I noted those "chattered" cheeks and "scratchy/ticky" fields....probably even the rim nicks. Yet they were still blasty and amazing looking coins. I graded the darn things like Morgan dollars....lol. Most of them realized 2X what I was willing to pay. And it wasn't until I saw them get TPG graded MS66 or even MS67 in 1986-1989 that I realized it was me who had it all wrong back in 1982...I had consistently graded those superb gem $20 Libs 1-1.5 points too low.
Good post, roadrunner. Glad to see you back here
I predict a sub $30K original reverse hammer price of $240K + 17.5% Juice
This coin is not for everyone. The pictures don’t help the coin and it looks much better in hand. The ding above the eye is very visible without a loupe.
I think at that price I would go over my roster of 5 star buyers fly them in for free, plus super red carpet treatment.
The Super Nova coin has eye appeal that extends beyond our numismatic universe and into the greater artistic universe. It's toning pattern and colors make it a truly unique coin. I could study that coin for hours just trying to comprehend how the colors and toning patterns developed in it's undersea environment. I might import some sea water to soak my untoned proof IHC's in to see what new colors emerge.
If I had purchased the coin I would sell ultra high resolution images of the coin as it would make great wall art, knowing that I might recoup a significant part of my purchase price.
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That would depend on whether or not the consignor was going to let you make any money, now wouldn’t it.
Buried back here on Page 4, after all the responses I have dutifully read on the Supernova . . . I can only wonder what BagBurn would go for in this market ?????
Drunner
It would be great if this happened. Before selling images, the first step would be for the owner to hang up wall art him or herself for others to enjoy.
I’ve previously suggested cultivating coins as wall art as a way to generate interest from non-coin audiences.
Do you have any coin art on your walls?
There’s a lot of room between 67 and 70. Speaking for myself, with respect to classic coins, I’m more familiar with the spread from MS62-66. These grades account for the bulk of what I own and typically examine. Better coins aren’t in every case at every show.
I remember my first big show. I was so excited to finally have a chance to see some real life MS-67 Peace dollars and MS68 Walkers. I was expecting to be blown away by their pure magnificence. Well, when I saw them I was frankly disappointed. They weren’t perfect! Eventually I wrapped my head around the subtleties. It takes seeing a few thousand (or hundred thousand) to recognize it when a really special one shows up.
It’s interesting that most of the photos are not super attractive, other than the very first PCGS glamour shots, in my opinion.
I wonder if the owner will have more photos taken and published.