Paypal dispute over $1700 PSA card I bought on ebay that arrived cracked

Really? I can't believe that. Ebay and Paypal have always been on the buyer's side. I am very surprised by that.

@Cakes said:

@tonylags said:
How about sending it into PSA and ask seller if he will split the grading fee with you. If he is reasonable I would think that is the least he can do.

The above advice, wasn't very good! In fact it's more than likely the worst advice I have seen on the boards in 5 years.

This was before I saw pics of the card.

That is really unbelievable, what difference should it make if he called eBay or PayPal and said “not as described” or “arrived damaged”, either claim is indisputable

Cakes--What are the top 5 worst advices you have seen here in those 5 years ?

@steel75 said:
Any reason you can't post the Ebay auction you won here ?

Here is the most recent 86F Jordan PSA 8 that sold for around $1,700. There is another 8 at $1,700 in the closed prices list, but it ends up being a 9(OC) when you click on the auction.

https://psacard.com/auctionprices/basketball-cards/1986-fleer/michael-jordan/auction/2140401

I’m certainly not saying the OP is lying about anything but I will say that if any part of his story is not 100% the fellas on this board will sniff it out. I’ve seen it so many times over the years a poster starting a thread claiming he got cheated or whatever but not stating all the facts only to have the real story figured out by someone.

Yet the buyer has nothing to do with the insurance through fedex. Like literally all i could do was find out he had insurance. It is completely up to the seller to vigorously pursue his insursnce and since he won the ebay dispute he stopped caring. Leaving me with no recourse except to do chargeback.

If he stopped caring bc he won the eBay dispute, he doesn't seem to be a decent dude at all, as you stated above. I'd out him so none of us have to deal with him in the unlikely event lightning strikes twice with the same guy.

@Cakes said:

@aconte said:

@Cakes said:

@tonylags said:
How about sending it into PSA and ask seller if he will split the grading fee with you. If he is reasonable I would think that is the least he can do.

The above advice, wasn't very good! In fact it's more than likely the worst advice I have seen on the boards in 5 years.

Agreed! Time to just force the issue with the seller and do a charge back on the credit card and tell the seller, card
is coming back as not as described and make it his problem.

I do feel bad for the OP, he needed solid advice

@bishop said:
Cakes--What are the top 5 worst advices you have seen here in those 5 years ?

That's a good question, I will have to research it and get back to you.

I cannot help it if my response came across harsh, but it was bad advice. That early in the dispute he needed solid, accurate advice.

I am sorry if I gave bad advice; I was under the impression the case was simply cracked; that was how the initial post was presented. Which is why I had suggested send to PSA for a reholder; I had no pics and/or no idea a chunk of the card was missing. I would have probably advised to return as item not described under those circumstances, immediately. I'm still confused as why the insurance claim was denied, unless this happened after delivery was made. That is the part that makes no sense to me.

The card should have been packaged properly enough to withstand a drop or something dropping on it.

The way that this seller packaged this card is completely unacceptable. I would hope he/she is not a high volume seller who does this all the time.

I hope the seller has access to these boards and maybe learns something from this event.

I wonder if the card came to the seller in the same poor manner that it was delivered to JewVol. Or, if he/she pulled it from a pack and self subbed, did they send it to PSA in the same manner as they did to JewVol?

As stated above, I hope the seller is not a high volume one.

I think the moral of this story is that if a card arrives damaged, it is always returned item not as described.

@Tabe said:

@tonylags said:

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The insurance claim was denied because the packaging didn't meet FedEx standards and the package appeared to have been bitten. They're going to look for any reason they can find to deny a claim, especially one for $1700 on a collectible.

well, that would seem to be on the seller, As others have said; Why not out the guy? He offers inferior packaging, wherein item arrived damaged and you get no recourse from ebay/paypal.

@JewVol said:

@perkdog said:

@grote15 said:
This entire saga seems a bit bizarre. Why not just post a link to the purchase if you are going to post as many details as you already have?

That’s what puzzles me, not wanting to “Out” a seller and call him a cool dude when he essentially just walked away from this saying it’s not his problem is bizarre if you ask me

What are you gonna do to him? Roll his house? What's the point?

The point is to avoid the seller. Stupid, costly mistakes don't get glossed over just because someone is a cool dude. They clearly do not understand how to properly package a high value card. If they had packaged the card correctly this would have all been avoided. Isn't that enough?

I am sorry you took a big hit but what about the next person that might get crushed?

Happy Halloween

So what ever happened with the charge back? For $1700, I would be all over that if it was my last resort. Havent heard anything more on it in over a week